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[Gojira]

Sorry for beating a dead horse but I'm just curious about what others think.

 

I hear many people interpret it differently, so I'm not really sure in what context Kishi was going for so I'm asking here for general consensus.

 

The context that a lot of people (including me) took it was that the one Sakura was referring to was Sasuke which is why she didn't tell the stranger who it is that she loved and got depressed and thought about Sasuke

 

The context that I've heard many other people say is that it was likely Naruto because for one thing she never said who it was and from what I hear Kishi himself stated Sakura was being honest during the confession.

 

To make matters confusing what the love fodder said seems to be different depending on which translation you read

 

Mangastream - "He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him"

 

Mangapanda - "If its somebody you like, then they're bound to be a great person"

 

The first makes it clear that the one she was thinking about was in fact Sasuke while the latter is ambiguous and questionable.

 

What do you guys think?

[Nostradamus]

Regardless what translation people want to use the fact of the matter is the moment in 540 was done for drama purposes. I said this in my first rant which I did 3-4 years ago, I don't even remember exactly when I posted that thing. If Sakura was thinking about Naruto then Game Over.

It's very clear from the latest chapter that Kishimoto is going to continue the drama for as long as he can possibly can. Probably and I hope not, the pairings will be resolved in the last 10 chapters or even worse the last chapter itself. Hopefully he ends it sooner.

[Inferno180]

Its kinda been given an answer through 635, I mean it was for dramatic suspense but it seems its become distrust.

[Gojira]

Regardless what translation people want to use the fact of the matter is the moment in 540 was done for drama purposes. I said this in my first rant which I did 3-4 years ago, I don't even remember exactly when I posted that thing. If Sakura was thinking about Naruto then Game Over.
It's very clear from the latest chapter that Kishimoto is going to continue the drama for as long as he can possibly can. Probably and I hope not, the pairings will be resolved in the last 10 chapters or even worse the last chapter itself. Hopefully he ends it sooner.

Well yes I figured it was for dramatic purposes but what I was asking is if general consensus was whether the one she was referring to was Sasuke or "someone else"

does anyone know what the raw said? Maybe that could help clear up which translation was correct.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well yes I figured it was for dramatic purposes but what I was asking is if general consensus was whether the one she was referring to was Sasuke or "someone else"

does anyone know what the raw said? Maybe that could help clear up which translation was correct.

Actually i never see it for dramatic purposes i think Kishi wanted to make clear where Sakura feelings lie, when she was about to kill Sasuke she realized that she still loved him deep inside and acknowledged that by her quote "I knew i would not be capable fo doing it".
540 shows that she still loves Sasuke and acknowledges him as the person she "like", the lover ninja then says that he's bound to be a great person on which the two statements says the same thing.
Kishi shows Sakura depressed by the fact Sasuke is not a great guy.
In fact she acknowledges her feelings for Sasuke and also acknowledges that he's not a great guy on whom she should be in love with him.

I believe the general consensus is that 540 shows that she still loves Sasuke, after the mess the summit was.

[Inferno180]

Actually i never see it for dramatic purposes i think Kishi wanted to make clear where Sakura feelings lie, when she was about to kill Sasuke she realized that she still loved him deep inside and acknowledged that by her quote "I knew i would not be capable fo doing it".
540 shows that she still loves Sasuke and acknowledges him as the person she "like", the lover ninja then says that he's bound to be a great person on which the two statements says the same thing.
Kishi shows Sakura depressed by the fact Sasuke is not a great guy.
In fact she acknowledges her feelings for Sasuke and also acknowledges that he's not a great guy on whom she should be in love with him.

I believe the general consensus is that 540 shows that she still loves Sasuke, after the mess the summit was.

But wasn't 635 the "until otherwise" moment? I mean shouldn't the whole distrust go in line with the unhappiness of 540?

 

I mean its a minor moment but one thing I find really contradictory to any pairing argument is, many say we cannot use 631 as a consensus argument for Sakura being like Kushina because it was such a minor moment, they claim because its such a minor moment we cannot use it as NS stuff.

 

So 540 should otherwise then just be she still loves Sasuke, no questions asked, things are going to be happy in the end? Really that just makes it sound retarded. For as minor as the 631 event was, even for those against it, by right we can just say that 540 is well, not positive for SS. Yet many, mostly NH and SS fans count this as pro-SS despite how things have gone to distrust.

 

I believe the deal of 540 was just dramatic suspense like how would sakura deal next time sasuke came into the mix. As we have seen, she was precautous and distrustful of him after Sai's input. I said before, the whole deal with sakura is, how will her development come to a head when Sasuke pulls his crap intending to harm naruto? The guy she "loves" harming the guy she cares for and supports more?

 

I mean for one thing, Sakura has been naruto centric in the time we have seen her in the war. What has come from her focusing on sasuke though, its been very small. Negative in that small time but still needs to be seen how it will fully impact her when madara is removed from the picture.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But wasn't 635 the "until otherwise" moment? I mean shouldn't the whole distrust go in line with the unhappiness of 540?
 
I mean its a minor moment but one thing I find really contradictory to any pairing argument is, many say we cannot use 631 as a consensus argument for Sakura being like Kushina because it was such a minor moment, they claim because its such a minor moment we cannot use it as NS stuff.

Because the conclusion of 540 hasnt finished yet.
540 and 635 go in line with what you say but however, it doesnt disregard the fact she still loves him.
Yep SS was portraited as negative but pratically the entire story portraited it as it so.
Saying that Sakura distrusts Sasuke doesnt make her special because everyone there also distrust him, and even Naruto knows probably what will happen afterwards when he heared about Sasuke saying he wants to be kage.

So 540 should otherwise then just be she still loves Sasuke, no questions asked, things are going to be happy in the end? Really that just makes it sound retarded. For as minor as the 631 event was, even for those against it, by right we can just say that 540 is well, not positive for SS. Yet many, mostly NH and SS fans count this as pro-SS despite how things have gone to distrust.

There's no conclusion what she decided after that moment she was cut off by fake Neji, so it's basically what you described but it's not stupid, she felt like that since Sasuke joined akatsuki she started looking at the negative side and being sad because of it.
The problem with both 635 and 540 it's because no conclusion.

[Inferno180]

Because the conclusion of 540 hasnt finished yet.
540 and 635 go in line with what you say but however, it doesnt disregard the fact she still loves him.
Yep SS was portraited as negative but pratically the entire story portraited it as it so.
Saying that Sakura distrusts Sasuke doesnt make her special because everyone there also distrust him, and even Naruto knows probably what will happen afterwards when he heared about Sasuke saying he wants to be kage.

There's no conclusion what she decided after that moment she was cut off by fake Neji, so it's basically what you described but it's not stupid, she felt like that since Sasuke joined akatsuki she started looking at the negative side and being sad because of it.
The problem with both 635 and 540 it's because no conclusion.

 

But the deal I'm getting from it is that it set up some long term impact, like what she doesnt like will come to pass. Thats why I say it should most likely occur when the time of her negative reception and old feelings for him conflict with her care and concern for naruto, its again just what will she do when the time comes in Naruto vs Sasuke? How will she respond when Sasuke the guy she "loves" intends to harm naruto? The guy she is concerned for and supports more?

 

Kishi may have otherwise been keeping this negative SS around as a means for moving towards ending development with her. But its cases like 663, thats saying yes she supports naruto to the point she wants to see him accomplish his goal more than ever. Its no suprise she would side with naruto in the fight for hokage but its how will she handle the aspect of sasuke trying to harm him? thats the long deal thing I suspect kishi would be trying to make out of this stuff between 540 and 635, getting that head of how she will act when conflict comes between naruto and sasuke.

[James S Cassidy]

It's a red herring and nothing will ever change my mind about it.

There are many ways to interpret it, but let's be clear that the only person who really knows the truth is Kishi. At best we can only speculate. It could be anything.

Some people believe that it shows Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and such and blah blah blah. Honestly, that is one reason why it's a red herring to me. It is such an obvious answer to say "Well it means Sakura still loves Sasuke,"but Kishi is not known for obvious answers especially when it comes to the pairings of his manga. I am not sure why to this very day some even here believe that all NS scenes no matter what are always "up for interpretation," but feel that all SS and NH scenes have to be played straight forward. Even SK gets this too.

Some believe, like me, it is a distraction. A stalling agent to keep the reader guessing till the end. It is evident because Sakura is not thinking of Sasuke in a positive light on this one. Looking at Karin for example, she is an extreme case of fangirling Sasuke. Similar to how Sakura was in part 1. Part 2, however, Sakura has shown nothing of the sort. Not even a little bit similar to Karin's behavior. I get people trying to tell me that "Karin and Sakura are not the same" argument which is true, but Karin would be the extreme sense of the fangirling. If Sakura showed even a fraction of that same ideology, then it would be clear to me. Also, because Sakura is different from Karin can also be the same reason why she is NOT fangirling Sasuke still and is just sick of his crap by now.

As well, as Nostradamus brilliantly said, if Sakura thought of Naruto at that very point in time it would be game over for the pairing wars indefinitely.

Some people believe this is the process of letting go of Sasuke and her finally coming to terms with the truth that Sasuke is a bad person or a person that is not for her. Which is just as possible as anything else in my opinion. Of course, there is going to be drama over all of this because it's not going to be that easy for Sakura to just get over it. Otherwise, people won't accept when she does choose Naruto in the end. You have to show how she moves from one to the other and how she realizes that maybe what she once thought was love was just really a shallow crush.

As for the "someone else...," well we don't know exactly. That's the point. She was so ambiguous with it that it could be any of the two boys. I get told it is bad to assume she meant Naruto, but on the flip side it is just as bad if you assume she meant Sasuke. It could be any interpretation until we figure out the end or until Kishi tells us the truth of it.

I just don't get why 540 is the end all and be all of pairings wars development as some are trying to push. People saying it is an obvious answer tells me even more that it isn't that simple. Kishimoto is never that obvious about the pairing development and to claim as such obviously hasn't noticed Kishimoto's patterns in writing. If it was that obvious, SS would be end game by now, but it isn't and it has only been disproven more with Sakura not trusting Sasuke and all the NS scenes we got in the past 50 chapters.

This is what we do know:
-According to 573, she said she will be together with Naruto to the end. She said this after 540, after the confession, after everything that has happened and knowing full well that Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight. She has chosen Naruto to be the side she wants to be on.

-She doesn't have good feelings about Sasuke and is very negative about his existence.

-Sakura's confession to Naruto was real and Kishimoto confirms this. Again, nothing will change this fact.

-Sakura was sort of bashful and embarrassed around Minato when he made the girlfriend comment. She didn't say no, she just wanted Naruto to shut up. Funny enough, parents getting involved in your love affair is embarrassing.


Besides, look at this:



Does this really look like she is thinking "Wow, Sasuke is the greatest guy I have in my life?"

I don't know about anyone else here, but if there was someone I love who I think is a "great person," I wouldn't be imagining them surrounded by fire and covered in darkness with a depressed look on my face feeling like I was ashamed of it.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 April 2014 - 08:53 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's a red herring and nothing will ever change my mind about it.

Some people believe that it shows Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and such and blah blah blah. Honestly, that is one reason why it's a red herring to me. It is such an obvious answer to say "Well it means Sakura still loves Sasuke,"but Kishi is not known for obvious answers especially when it comes to the pairings of his manga. I am not sure why to this very day some even here believe that all NS scenes no matter what are always "up for interpretation," but feel that all SS and NH scenes have to be played straight forward. Even SK gets this too.

Some believe, like me, it is a distraction. A stalling agent to keep the reader guessing till the end. It is evident because Sakura is not thinking of Sasuke in a positive light on this one. Looking at Karin for example, she is an extreme case of fangirling Sasuke. Similar to how Sakura was in part 1. Part 2, however, Sakura has shown nothing of the sort. Not even a little bit similar to Karin's behavior. I get people trying to tell me that "Karin and Sakura are not the same" argument which is true, but Karin would be the extreme sense of the fangirling. If Sakura showed even a fraction of that same ideology, then it would be clear to me. Also, because Sakura is different from Karin can also be the same reason why she is NOT fangirling Sasuke still and is just sick of his crap by now.

Distraction why?
Everyone was guessing about Sakura's feelings after the summit ended, and the lover ninja was the response, she loves Sasuke but is not happy with those feelings and Sasuke's personality.

 

I don't know about anyone else here, but if there was someone I love who I think is a "great person," I wouldn't be imagining them surrounded by fire and covered in darkness with a depressed look on my face feeling like I was ashamed of it.

she imaginated Sasuke because she likes him, in your interpretation she should had thought about Naruto.
But why Sasuke? because she likes him and knows he's not a great guy, i only expressed the fact that she loves him however she's not happy with those feelings and Sasuke overall.
It doesnt disregard the fact she loves him on which was estabilished on the summit.
540 expresses the idea of she can move forward but decide what she want, leave her feelings for Sasuke and move on (NaruSaku's path) or keep loving him despite knowing he's jerk.(Karin's Path)
Which leads to the conclusion of 540.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 April 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Distraction why?
Everyone was guessing about Sakura's feelings after the summit ended, and the lover ninja was the response, she loves Sasuke but is not happy with those feelings and Sasuke's personality.

Maybe because he wants to save that reveal to the very end...you know, like how several other manga/anime have done over the years: Ruroni Kenshin, Outlaw Star, Evangelion, Full Metal Alchemist, Full Metal Panic, Chobits, Love Hina, Cowboy Bebop (arguably), Kaze No Stigma (though the series never finished, but still), YuYu Hakusho, Bleach possibly, InuYasha....I can keep going.

There is so many where the pairings are so painfully obvious and yet don't happen for a very long time. Most not happening till the very end.

 

she imaginated Sasuke because she likes him, in your interpretation she should had thought about Naruto.
But why Sasuke? because she likes him and knows he's not a great guy, i only expressed the fact that she loves him however she's not happy with those feelings and Sasuke overall.
It doesnt disregard the fact she loves him on which was estabilished on the summit.
540 expresses the idea of she can move forward but decide what she want, leave her feelings for Sasuke and move on (NaruSaku's path) or keep loving him despite knowing he's jerk.(Karin's Path)
Which leads to the conclusion of 540.

 

And this is what I am talking about. Darkrerst is one of those people I know who kind of like to argue with people regardless if he is right or wrong. Take example here. He calls my theory only "interpretation," yet acts like his speculation is pure fact. This is also regardless if I have facts that go against his speculation or what not. Then again, Dark here also argues with you even if you agree with him so I am not surprised.

Well, Dark, I guess we have reached an impasse where none of us are going to change the other. So here I say we give up. I can not change your mind and you can not change mine no matter how many facts we throw at each other and like I said, Kishimoto is the only one who really knows for sure.

Hell, for all we know maybe both of us are correct because Kishimoto set it up to mean anything you want it to. Would be an interesting way of looking at it and many writers have chosen such a route with plot elements. For example: "Did Spike die in the end?" in Cowboy Bebop. Shinichiro Watanabe saying "I’ve never officially said that he died. At this point, I can tell you that I’m not sure if he’s alive or dead." Basically saying to the fans "It is whatever you want it to be."

So I am going to say, agree to disagree. We are like the saying of the "Immovable object versus the Unstoppable Force." They just surrender.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 12 April 2014 - 08:24 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Space Reasons

It's a red herring and nothing will ever change my mind about it.

There are many ways to interpret it, but let's be clear that the only person who really knows the truth is Kishi. At beast we can only speculate. It could be anything.

Some people believe that it shows Sakura is still in love with Sasuke and such and blah blah blah. Honestly, that is one reason why it's a red herring to me. It is such an obvious answer to say "Well it means Sakura still loves Sasuke,"but Kishi is not known for obvious answers especially when it comes to the pairings of his manga. I am not sure why to this very day some even here believe that all NS scenes no matter what are always "up for interpretation," but feel that all SS and NH scenes have to be played straight forward. Even SK gets this too.

Some believe, like me, it is a distraction. A stalling agent to keep the reader guessing till the end. It is evident because Sakura is not thinking of Sasuke in a positive light on this one. Looking at Karin for example, she is an extreme case of fangirling Sasuke. Similar to how Sakura was in part 1. Part 2, however, Sakura has shown nothing of the sort. Not even a little bit similar to Karin's behavior. I get people trying to tell me that "Karin and Sakura are not the same" argument which is true, but Karin would be the extreme sense of the fangirling. If Sakura showed even a fraction of that same ideology, then it would be clear to me. Also, because Sakura is different from Karin can also be the same reason why she is NOT fangirling Sasuke still and is just sick of his crap by now.

As well, as Nostradamus brilliantly said, if Sakura thought of Naruto at that very point in time it would be game over for the pairing wars indefinitely.

Some people believe this is the process of letting go of Sasuke and her finally coming to terms with the truth that Sasuke is a bad person or a person that is not for her. Which is just as possible as anything else in my opinion. Of course, there is going to be drama over all of this because it's not going to be that easy for Sakura to just get over it. Otherwise, people won't accept when she does choose Naruto in the end. You have to show how she moves from one to the other and how she realizes that maybe what she once thought was love was just really a shallow crush.

As for the "someone else...," well we don't know exactly. That's the point. She was so ambiguous with it that it could be any of the two boys. I get told it is bad to assume she meant Naruto, but on the flip side it is just as bad if you assume she meant Sasuke. It could be any interpretation until we figure out the end or until Kishi tells us the truth of it.

I just don't get why 540 is the end all and be all of pairings wars development as some are trying to push. People saying it is an obvious answer tells me even more that it isn't that simple. Kishimoto is never that obvious about the pairing development and to claim as such obviously hasn't noticed Kishimoto's patterns in writing. If it was that obvious, SS would be end game by now, but it isn't and it has only been disproven more with Sakura not trusting Sasuke and all the NS scenes we got in the past 50 chapters.

This is what we do know:
-According to 573, she said she will be together Naruto to the end. She said this after 540, after the confession, after everything that has happened and knowing full well that Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight. She has chosen Naruto to be the side she wants to be on.

-She doesn't have good feelings about Sasuke and is very negative about his existence.

-Sakura's confession to Naruto was real and Kishimoto confirms this. Again, nothing will change this fact.

-Sakura was sort of bashful and embarrassed around Minato when he made the girlfriend comment. She didn't say no, she just wanted Naruto to shut up. Funny enough, parents getting involved in your love affair is embarrassing.


Besides, look at this:



Does this really look like she is thinking "Wow, Sasuke is the greatest guy I have in my life?"

I don't know about anyone else here, but if there was someone I love who I think is a "great person," I wouldn't be imagining them surrounded by fire and covered in darkness with a depressed look on my face feeling like I was ashamed of it.

Exactly finally someone actually gets it.

It's a moment done for drama purposes however it can be viewed in multiple ways and that's exactly the point of it. It's done in a ambiguous way in order for us to start questioning it. Questions like "She thinks of Sasuke therefore she loves Sasuke. But wait if she loves Sasuke why didn't she leave the village to be with him? Why is she thinking about him surrounded by black flames? Why is she sad? Why did she confess her love for Naruto, if she loves Sasuke? And on and on.

I still stand by what I said in my first rant that in this moment Sakura doesn't love Sasuke. However I've acknowledged the fact it can be viewed in multiple ways.

The following statements : Sakura loves Sasuke because of 540 and Sakura doesn't love Sasuke because of 540 are both valid and invalid at the same time. It's a moment that we'll learn the "truth" about it later on in the story.

Edited by Nostradamus, 12 April 2014 - 08:46 PM.

[Inferno180]

Exactly finally someone actually gets it.

It's a moment done for drama purposes however it can be viewed in multiple ways and that's exactly the point of it. It's done in a ambiguous way in order for us to start questioning it. Questions like "She thinks of Sasuke therefore she loves Sasuke. But wait if she loves Sasuke why didn't she leave the village to be with him? Why is she thinking about him surrounded by black flames? Why is she sad? Why did she confess her love for Naruto, if she loves Sasuke? And on and on.

I still stand by what I said in my first rant that in this moment Sakura doesn't love Sasuke. However I've acknowledged the fact it can be viewed in multiple ways.

The following statements : Sakura loves Sasuke because of 540 and Sakura doesn't love Sasuke because of 540 are both valid and invalid at the same time. It's a moment that we'll learn the "truth" about it later on in the story.

 

I was just leaning on it was dramatic suspense, that kishi kept the SS view on her as a means of the potential antagonistic impact it could have on her, my take was that since Sai told her about Naruto loving her, Sakura's been given a two sided impact:

 

Her own love for sasuke and knowing full well what he has become

the other being what naruto has done and is trying to do, in some parts for her, but not just her as others like shizune and he himself have said.

 

That being the case, this is why I feel that after the land of iron, its been evident that upon sakura, its been situations like 573 where she recollects what he did on his own (saved the village) and what he was trying on his own (at that point save the world) but it was in 630 the things she learned from the land of iron, trying to rely on naruto or handle it herself, whatever happens, she isnt letting naruto do it all on her own or have everyone just rely on him. Its rather all do within whatever their own power is to help naruto, etc. 635 just made it clear she doesnt trust sasuke, really theres no arguing anything positive for SS currently, no amount of perception or opinion can change the fact he tried to kill her, she doesn't like what he became, she doesn't trust him. How people can even consider SS a beneficial possibility at this point is just beyond salvaging. Even SK got ahead of this one just because Sasuke apologized to Karin for crying out loud.

 

And its because of events like 540 and 635, I believe these go alongside that inner confliction she has because of what was told since what Sai revealed to her. I believe Sakura was given a conflictive situation, the aspect of her old feelings for sasuke and what he has become and what naruto tries to do and how it has impacted him. This has become to the point where she has a negative side in this situation focusing on Sasuke and a positive side in naruto.

 

On Sasuke's side, she is torn, saddened, and wishes it were not true but all the stuff that has happened has happened, sasuke attacked the cloud, killed Danzo, and has ulterior motives, heck he even vowed to end Naruto when defending him from Obito, that setting something bad up I don't know what will.

 

On the Naruto side, she wants him safe, she supports him and has faith in him, doesn't want him to overexert himself (aka she was concerned about his rapid use of Kurama's energy possibly burning himself out, again when he was trying to heal shikamaru subconsciously. She is concerned for naruto, its no surprise after a situation like Sai brought to her. She doesn't want him to do anything extreme to the point it hurts him. its come to the point she wants him to live to be hokage.

 

Ironically its really come to a point where, sakura now has a dream she wants, she wants naruto to gain his dream.

 

So the deal is as I said before, when the time comes for Naruto to face Sasuke, if sasuke has the intent to harm naruto, then how will this impact sakura? The one she "loves and distrusts" harming the one she "cares for and supports for?"

 

Thats why I feel 540 was just dramatic suspense, a setup for a future conflict on sakura' s own personal end.

Edited by Inferno180, 12 April 2014 - 11:51 PM.

[Broken Figurine]

James, I hate to pick a fight with you, but it seems you get really defensive over your opinions and are so keen on saying how others rag on your theories. Maybe it's this attitude? I noticed it in other places, too.

 

As to 540, even if it does mean she still loves him, she obviously has mixed feelings--like others said, the guilt because the person she does love isn't a great guy. That happens, and maybe, the way I see it... Sasuke is the person she thinks of when she thinks of someone she's 'liked'. If she hasn't come to terms/realizes her feelings for Naruto, then at the question she'd think of Sasuke. That's someone she knows she was in love with, and may be questioning if her feelings still hold. I like to interpret it that way. 

 

I agree with Nostradamous that if Sakura showed such a direct response about her feelings for Naruto, even if it was just the possibility then we'd have a big flag for NaruSaku as the 'endgame' pairing, because really at that point possibility for mutual romance would be there. The manga is pretty comfortable flirting the idea that Naruto likes Sakura romantically, and even the anime full out said once (in a filler) that Sakura was the person he loved. That tells you to a certain degree the transparency of Naruto's side of the NaruSaku equation. As long as Sakura remains the possible question in the air, they aren't the canon couple.

 

Therefore, like James said, Kishimoto may want to leave NaruSaku until the end of the manga like many other titles have before. He however manages to keep it less obvious than most, and I think this is one of those ways. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Maybe because he wants to save that reveal to the very end...you know, like how several other manga/anime have done over the years: Ruroni Kenshin, Outlaw Star, Evangelion, Full Metal Alchemist, Full Metal Panic, Chobits, Love Hina, Cowboy Bebop (arguably), Kaze No Stigma (though the series never finished, but still), YuYu Hakusho, Bleach possibly, InuYasha....I can keep going.

There is so many where the pairings are so painfully obvious and yet don't happen for a very long time. Most not happening till the very end.

It doesnt make sense, scenese like when Sasuke returned it's the scenes you're describing about.
You're literally forgotting about the summit arc like she doesnt love Sasuke anymore and her flashbacks.

 

And this is what I am talking about. Darkrerst is one of those people I know who kind of like to argue with people regardless if he is right or wrong. Take example here. He calls my theory only "interpretation," yet acts like his speculation is pure fact. This is also regardless if I have facts that go against his speculation or what not. Then again, Dark here also argues with you even if you agree with him so I am not surprised.

Well, Dark, I guess we have reached an impasse where none of us are going to change the other. So here I say we give up. I can not change your mind and you can not change mine no matter how many facts we throw at each other and like I said, Kishimoto is the only one who really knows for sure.

Hell, for all we know maybe both of us are correct because Kishimoto set it up to mean anything you want it to. Would be an interesting way of looking at it and many writers have chosen such a route with plot elements. For example: "Did Spike die in the end?" in Cowboy Bebop. Shinichiro Watanabe saying "I’ve never officially said that he died. At this point, I can tell you that I’m not sure if he’s alive or dead." Basically saying to the fans "It is whatever you want it to be."

So I am going to say, agree to disagree. We are like the saying of the "Immovable object versus the Unstoppable Force." They just surrender.

And you're the type of person who likes to lecture other people around.
Your theory is based in an interpretation and my opinions are also based on interpretations, but however it's a debate thread and i simply asked the "if the statement is true then why Sakura didnt thought about Naruto?"
forcing up "it's for the sake of pairing drama" when the scene had nothing to do with enforcing drama, Drama is moments like Sakura not trusting Sasuke, 540 was pretty much straightforward.

But no you keep insisting on this idead without dealing with it's implications, you're simply saying, it's just drama and ignoring the summit.
I'm not trying to change your mind but i just asked for you to explain why Sakura didnt thought about Naruto if you say that 540 was ambiguous.
 

Exactly finally someone actually gets it.
It's a moment done for drama purposes however it can be viewed in multiple ways and that's exactly the point of it. It's done in a ambiguous way in order for us to start questioning it. Questions like "She thinks of Sasuke therefore she loves Sasuke.
I still stand by what I said in my first rant that in this moment Sakura doesn't love Sasuke. However I've acknowledged the fact it can be viewed in multiple ways.
The following statements : Sakura loves Sasuke because of 540 and Sakura doesn't love Sasuke because of 540 are both valid and invalid at the same time. It's a moment that we'll learn the "truth" about it later on in the story.

So why it's valid and invalid at the same time, that's what i'm asking, to get towards this conclusion it needs the correct question for that.
Sakura thinking about Sasuke surrounded in black flames doesnt lead to a question where it can in a way validate the notion that she doesnt love him anymore.
Because before it, there's a straightforward statement("The guy whom you like must be a great guy") then it skips to Sakura thinking about Sasuke.
It doesnt open for interpretation, that's why it's not drama.

the expression "there's someome else i..."
it's the same as yamato's on the bridge "Sakura just by looking at you i can say that in reality you..."
Two identical statements that leads to the same conclusion either like or love.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 April 2014 - 12:05 AM.

[Inferno180]

James, I hate to pick a fight with you, but it seems you get really defensive over your opinions and are so keen on saying how others rag on your theories. Maybe it's this attitude? I noticed it in other places, too.

 

As to 540, even if it does mean she still loves him, she obviously has mixed feelings--like others said, the guilt because the person she does love isn't a great guy. That happens, and maybe, the way I see it... Sasuke is the person she thinks of when she thinks of someone she's 'liked'. If she hasn't come to terms/realizes her feelings for Naruto, then at the question she'd think of Sasuke. That's someone she knows she was in love with, and may be questioning if her feelings still hold. I like to interpret it that way. 

 

I agree with Nostradamous that if Sakura showed such a direct response about her feelings for Naruto, even if it was just the possibility then we'd have a big flag for NaruSaku as the 'endgame' pairing, because really at that point possibility for mutual romance would be there. The manga is pretty comfortable flirting the idea that Naruto likes Sakura romantically, and even the anime full out said once (in a filler) that Sakura was the person he loved. That tells you to a certain degree the transparency of Naruto's side of the NaruSaku equation. As long as Sakura remains the possible question in the air, they aren't the canon couple.

 

Therefore, like James said, Kishimoto may want to leave NaruSaku until the end of the manga like many other titles have before. He however manages to keep it less obvious than most, and I think this is one of those ways. 

 

It is true if he just dumped the great guy stuff on Sakura, this would be as good as over, but its stuff like 631 and 663 kishi has thrown hints saying NS could be coming.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Therefore, like James said, Kishimoto may want to leave NaruSaku until the end of the manga like many other titles have before. He however manages to keep it less obvious than most, and I think this is one of those ways.

That's the notion i also share, because for me 540 shows that she loves Sasuke but i dont think she has mixed feelings because Kishi on the summit showed that her feelings for Sasuke are strong despite not having legitimacy, however 540 together with 663 like Inferno pointed out shows that she has to make a decision and needs to move on from Sasuke first.
I dont think she's suddenly going to "i love Naruto now" because i dont think the buildup supports this idea, Kishimoto kept milking SS for way too long, i would agree with this notion of mixed feelings if 540 wasnt shown and Sakura/Naruto had some conversation after the summit or she had taken a decision before.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 April 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[rocci]

Join the fray.
Team 7 love triangle exist because sakura love sasuke and naruto love sakura thus making sakura effectively the decider of love triangle, not naruto nor sasuke. Thus in part 2 most(if not all) of NS developement come from sakura to naruto despite her love for sasuke.

In the end, when naruto confess to sakura, it's sakura job to accept it immediately or she ask more time to think and reflect before accept or reject it. or reject it thus lead to open ending(school rumble anyone?)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Eh, that series was a mess. Lol.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

540 may seem too obvious, but sometimes it's supposed to be like that. There isn't any other way to show the audience and completely hit it over the head that there's still romantic conflict. Even after the confession, there were a lot of different interpretations about whether or not Sakura still loved Sasuke so 540 was clincher. Kishimoto wanted us to know that the Team 7 love triangle is definitely still in motion.

 

I would love to say I don't think Sakura loves Sasuke any more, but I feel like 540 is too straightforward to be interpreted that way. There are two major factors that prevent me from believing it.

 

1). Sakura's reaction was too extreme to be thinking she was regretting having loved Sasuke. Sasuke may have turned out to be a bad person, but he wasn't always that terrible. Part 1 Sasuke was the Sasuke she loved and I really don't see Sakura as the type to be ashamed for having feelings for that Sasuke. She pictured Sasuke in the present with flames around him. If she was ashamed for having loved him, then why would she see him in the present tense?

 

2). There was no remarkable moment of realization where Sakura knows she loves Naruto. Nothing was too profound, indicated by her behavior afterwards. She only recently realized Naruto loved her and her reaction was pretty telling she doesn't know she loves him then. Her main focus was guilt over the PoaL, not a romantic realization. And the confession doesn't seem to count either.

 

When Sakura hugged Naruto, everything she said about Naruto and how she felt for him was sincere. You could see it in her face. But still, the way she worded it wasn't right. She basically compared and contrasted Sasuke, saying why Naruto was so much better because Sasuke commits crimes and breaks her heart while Naruto doesn't. It wasn't about Naruto by himself. She ruined it by throwing in Sasuke like that and that's what made Naruto mad.

 

In 540, there was no thought to Naruto. Even if she knew she loved him, I would think the good would overpower the bad at the statement. All we got was her feeling like total crap on evil Sasuke and while it proves she definitely wants to move on (supported by 635), it doesn't prove she knows she loves Naruto. And the war has only been a few days. I doubt that's changed.

 

So, if you ask me, 540 proved she still loves Sasuke. No other option is realistic enough for me. Naruto is there, but she doesn't know what she wants from him yet. I believe Sakura is in love with Naruto, but saying she knows it herself is another story. I'd buy the interview that said she was honest, but I can't because I have trouble believing Kishi could reveal that through interview. Interviews aren't good proof IMO because they can be altered and biased by the translators so I don't use them.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 13 April 2014 - 06:08 AM.