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[SkiesEagle]

Not sure I am putting this topic okay. I am upset and very disappointment. I heard the government shutdown the not only museums but National Zoo? It really a bad idea. 800,000 workers will be off as I heard.

Can someone correct me I am wrong?

[Inferno180]

Just another embarrassment from our incompetent president and government, they spend more time arguing then actually solving problems, hell neither party cared about the obamacare stuff, they are rich they aren't going to feel the pain it brings to everyone else. Its either halt it or let it come into effect and then hopefully everyone sees how redicioulus it was. There is just too much crap in the U.S. right now. Seriously I wish someone would go and just punch all the senators in the face of both parties, a bunch of old farts who have lost it and seriously have no idea how to handle the economic crisis, they are just spoiled brats on each end now.

[SkiesEagle]

Just another embarrassment from our incompetent president and government, they spend more time arguing then actually solving problems, hell neither party cared about the obamacare stuff, they are rich they aren't going to feel the pain it brings to everyone else. Its either halt it or let it come into effect and then hopefully everyone sees how redicioulus it was. There is just too much crap in the U.S. right now. Seriously I wish someone would go and just punch all the senators in the face of both parties, a bunch of old farts who have lost it and seriously have no idea how to handle the economic crisis, they are just spoiled brats on each end now.

 

I am not impressing for what they just did. It can damage so much. Seriously, they have to think about before shutdown that can might damage for economy. Not much I know about Obamacare but I think that's important because of health program, isn't?

[Strangelove]

How ironic, the right shall learn of the importance of government, and the left shall learn of its limitations.

[SkiesEagle]

How ironic, the right shall learn of the importance of government, and the left shall learn of its limitations.

 

Like not going to the National Park? One of the park, Yosemite Park is closed because of shutdown. :/

[Inferno180]

I'm just really upset whats happening in the U.S. its just irritating when leadership is incompetent, that's all I'll say.

Edited by Inferno180, 02 October 2013 - 03:06 AM.

[morgaine4]

Ehh, the problems with the Affordable Care Act is that it doesn't go far enough.  As it is, however, I know quite a few people whose lives have already been saved because of it.  Fact is, the ACA passed because of the Democratic process, and was affirmed by the highest court of the land, these obstructionist politicians should let it go and any politcian responsible for the Government shutdown who cashes his or her paycheck while hundreds of thousands of people (who actually need the money, who don't have a safety net of funds from bribes) don't receive a paycheck should be voted out of office come 2014.  It's ridiculous that these immature elected officials are apparently considered more important than the people who check the safety of our food and work places.  Ugh, ugh, ugh!

 

This two party system is failing, we need to get in a third party or at least push out one of the two twin parties.

[Derock]

Inferno180, please edit your post. Most of your rants is consider bashing and cussing (even though I don't mind you bashing Bush Jr.  I couldn't stand him one bit.) and its a big no-no, even on subjects like this (which us mods definitely need to watch now).

 

That's goes for everyone else too. Yes, this is a mess here in the US but please be civil.

[Strangelove]

 

Like not going to the National Park? One of the park, Yosemite Park is closed because of shutdown. :/

It was its anniversary.

[SkiesEagle]

It was its anniversary.

 

Oh, I didn't know. But why did they shutdown? I watch news evening when I saw a image post say about shutdown. Can any park be open sometimes soon?

 

That's goes for everyone else too. Yes, this is a mess here in the US but please be civil.

 

Okay I will be careful what I have to say.

[Jake]

At 12:00AM October 1st 2013 the Government shuts down.

 

At 4:00PM October 1st 2013 the DOW Jones, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 are all up.

 

I see this as proof that a expanding government hinders the economy.

 

Also just throwing this out there the House of Representatives sent over three compromises including a repeal of the Medical Devices Tax which had bipartisan support and Sen. Reid (D) would not let them come to a vote in the Senate.

[Strangelove]

At 12:00AM October 1st 2013 the Government shuts down.

 

At 4:00PM October 1st 2013 the DOW Jones, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 are all up.

 

I see this as proof that a expanding government hinders the economy.

 

Also just throwing this out there the House of Representatives sent over three compromises including a repeal of the Medical Devices Tax which had bipartisan support and Sen. Reid (D) would not let them come to a vote in the Senate.

 

 

Last shutdown was during the Clinton administration, and as far as I can remember, the Clinton years were very prosperous.

[Jake]

 

 

Last shutdown was during the Clinton administration, and as far as I can remember, the Clinton years were very prosperous.

 

The government was also a lot smaller then, the only thing that Clinton did was not screw with the economy Reagan and Bush had built.

 

Government organizations like the EPA have been given so mush authority that they can just about shutdown a business, Gibson Guitar had their factory raided and the ebony wood they used to manufacture the fretboards for their guitars was confiscated by the EPA and while there is a ban on cutting down Ebony Trees, Gibson's stock of Ebony was harvested before the ban (I'm not sure how long but I know that the Wood has to age before they can use it) and you can still harvest Ebony from fallen trees.

 

The EPA has also hindered the Coal industry and thus the development of Clean Coal technology.

 

Also you have stuff like Keystone Pipeline which would spur an economic boom and drop the price of gasoline and Diesel Fuel and thus drop the price of everything at the stores, also to note is that Oil found in North America burns cleaner then the Oil in the Middle East.

[Codus N]

This tweet of the shutdown is the best by far:

 

 

Due to the shutdown, NASA's asteroid detection team isn't working. If an asteroid hits, let's hope it lands on Congress.

— CC:Indecision (@indecision) October 1, 2013

[Derock]

Well, its passed a couple of days if anyone didn't listen or hear the news that the US government finally reopened. All because of the crazy conservatives in the House of Representatives (real reason was they were pissed that Obamacare was passed as a law. And now after almost 16 days of shutdown, the congressmen finally voted to extend the debt limit but the Tea Party wants to continue fighting against the law... )

 

Next time if this happen again, the congressmen paychecks need to be frozen, every single one of them. This was an embarrassment and we were so damn lucky we didn't get a sudden attack from inside or outside of the country.

[TouKen4Life3g]

About time. I mean come on. Thanks for the report. I'm away from home, so I wouldn't know.

[BlueStarSaber]

I'm not from the USA so I don't know much about it's politics, except the satire I saw on The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad & South Park. So may I ask what this shutdown was about, besides what was posted?

[Jake]

Well, its passed a couple of days if anyone didn't listen or hear the news that the US government finally reopened. All because of the crazy conservatives in the House of Representatives (real reason was they were pissed that Obamacare was passed as a law. And now after almost 16 days of shutdown, the congressmen finally voted to extend the debt limit but the Tea Party wants to continue fighting against the law... )

 

Next time if this happen again, the congressmen paychecks need to be frozen, every single one of them. This was an embarrassment and we were so damn lucky we didn't get a sudden attack from inside or outside of the country.

 

I Got a question for you, how did the government shutdown affect your every day life? What part caused you to have to do major changes in the way you live on a day-to-day basis? No a damn thing right? That's because the vast majority of people in this country don't need the government to live their lives but the government cannot survive without people paying into it.

 

Government is incompetent they cannot run anything like a business, a prime example of this would be the Post Office, the USPS is hemorrhaging money, those in favor a big government claim that only the government can run the post office, but UPS and FedEx are capable of doing the job and what's more they can actually make money at it.

 

About Obamacare, it was a bill passed with more Bipartisan support against it (only 48 out of 60 democrats in the senate voted for it) and polls show that most of the people are still opposed to it, and it is also designed to fail, Leading Democrats have stated that in order for this bill to work most of men age 18-30 have to sign up, yet the bill also says that you can stay on your parents plan until you are 25, and then they will be paying over $2,000.00 (the fine for not having insurance is only about $218.00) and that's not to mention that you are talking about a demographic that generally doesn't think they need health insurance, hell I don't even use a band-aid unless I can't stop the blood, and most men in that age group feel the same, why? Because we are men and men are tough. You also have the website, which some people have looked at the programming of the sight and found thousands of unused lines of code that could cause the website to crash meaning it's not a traffic issue it's a programing failure.

 

Also I would like to remind you that it was Sen. Reid and Pres. Obama who were saying they would not compromise and wanted the exact bill they wanted, while saying that the republicans needed to lean they could not get 100% of what they wanted.

 

Now having said all that I do agree that next time Congresses' paychecks should be cut off, I personally think that their paycheck should be severally cut regardless, also we should cancel the limousine service and start picking them up in short yellow school buses.

[Nate River]

Well, its passed a couple of days if anyone didn't listen or hear the news that the US government finally reopened. All because of the crazy conservatives in the House of Representatives (real reason was they were pissed that Obamacare was passed as a law. And now after almost 16 days of shutdown, the congressmen finally voted to extend the debt limit but the Tea Party wants to continue fighting against the law... )

I'd imagine they would be. It was crammed down their through while simultaneously shoved up their butts. Do you recall how it was passed and some of the more dubious procedural tricks that were used to make it happened? The bill was underwater when it was passed and freaking Mass. elected a guy who sold himself as the 41st vote against the law. Many of these "crazy conservatives" were elected precisely because of their opposition to this law. So, really, it shouldn't be a surprise they would be willing to do this. I can imagine YOU'd...eh, no problem if you had legislation like this rammed down your thought the way Obamacare was. Let's also not forget that Republicans were completely cutout of the drafting process.

It's baffling to me that people are surprised that Republicans don't role over on this. Even if you disagree about whether it was a good idea, is it that hard to see why they would? That it was passed democratically is immaterial. They think the law it long disaster that will be impossible to correct down the line. It's almost vomit inducing to see that dishonest excuse paraded about. Of course, if they win Presidency maybe they can just exempt everybody or decide they won't enforce because they don't like it. I don't think it's terribly lawful, but precedent has been set, has it not?

This is the kind of thing that happens when you elect a very liberal government in 2008 and follow it up by electing a group of people who ran in direct opposition to the 2008 group in 2010 and then essentially return them all to power in 2012.

Also, if it makes you feel better, you can continue to believe that your side wanted no part of this, but their behavior during the standoff indicates that they were totally fine with this. There were reports floating about Democrats crowing about it in private. I remember when "compromise" was some sort of gold standard. I wonder what happened to that? Because as Jake said, it's was Obama that was no compromise, and I will not negotiate. Oh yeah, I remember when when civility was a thing, too. It's almost like those principles were nothing, but a bunch of empty dishonest bullsh**. Nah.

They also feared that regardless of how disastrous the law might have been on the whole, that enough people would be dependent upon it that undoing it would be next to impossible. Easier now before people have adapted their lives around the law. There is a concept in economics (the name escapes me) that deals with this. Basically, the costs of these programs as scattered across the population as a whole while the benefits are targeted on a portion of it. That portion who receives ultimately will work their lives around on it.The end result is that even if the program it a total loser for the population as a whole those who benefit from it will fight like hell (with many of them dependent upon it) against anything that decreases the benefits they receive from it while those who benefit from the cut will only see small changes (and thus will not fight as hard)because that cost is scattered across more people.

This problem is why altering Medicare and Social Security is such a Herculean task. That and there are many who think they may one day find themselves in need of the program themselves. This is what Republicans ultimately fear (or at least some do) and why they simply do not wish to wait. The actuaries of SS and Medicare have both said both programs are headed both are unsustainable and that they will go broke. In their more sober moments there are Democrats who acknowledge that this might happen, but they tend to go in and out of denial about this. Republicans are considerably more vocal. but it doesn't go beyond that because they fear the wrath of seniors should they touch it.

 
 
 
 

Next time if this happen again, the congressmen paychecks need to be frozen, every single one of them. This was an embarrassment and we were so damn lucky we didn't get a sudden attack from inside or outside of the country.

I disagree. I'm not interested in this kind of token gesture. Many of the representatives have more sources of income than they're congressional pay ($172,000 per year). For example, Pelosi is worth more than 50 million, John Kerry's wife is part of the Heinz in Heinz condiments, and Darryl Issa, the richest person in the house, makes far more from his business ventures than he does from his Congressional pay. Unless a significant majority of them depend on that 172,000 then that's all this will be..a token gesture. Individual members will be effected, but I think the majority of the power brokers aren't among them.

 
 
 

This was an embarrassment and we were so damn lucky we didn't get a sudden attack from inside or outside of the country.

Since the portion of defense that actually holds and shoots the guns and drive the tanks are not considered "non-essential" personel they weren't shutdown.

 
 
 
 
 

About Obamacare, it was a bill passed with more Bipartisan support against it (only 48 out of 60 democrats in the senate voted for it) and polls show that most of the people are still opposed to it, and it is also designed to fail, Leading Democrats have stated that in order for this bill to work most of men age 18-30 have to sign up, yet the bill also says that you can stay on your parents plan until you are 25, and then they will be paying over $2,000.00 (the fine for not having insurance is only about $218.00) and that's not to mention that you are talking about a demographic that generally doesn't think they need health insurance, hell I don't even use a band-aid unless I can't stop the blood, and most men in that age group feel the same, why? Because we are men and men are tough. You also have the website, which some people have looked at the programming of the sight and found thousands of unused lines of code that could cause the website to crash meaning it's not a traffic issue it's a programing failure.

What's absolutely fantastic about that is that the fine imposed on them for not having insurance actually encourages them not to sign up. For many, it will be cheaper to eat the fine. It's even worse for businesses.

The programming of it....haha....

It's so awful. There are things about it using old technology, it not being tested to the week before, that the administration was more interested in hiding potential issues from Republicans than actually creating a functioning product...and the coup de' grace that the biggest reason that it doesn't work is that it was designed to calculate your subsidy before you even saw the available insurance so what people saw was the cost post subsidy in order to help hide the increase in premiums that wasn't suppose to happen. This There are legitimate concerns that many people won't even be capable of getting the requisite insurance before they will be fined for not having it.

An utter disaster.

I've gone back and forth about whether the shutdown was a good idea or whether I even care. Ultimately, I'm in the "let it burn" camp for the moment. Not terribly patriotic, but I really can't say that I care.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

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