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[KnS]

Interesting....

 

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know about you guys but lately, I feel like the protests are doing more harm than good. Zimmerman seems like he's moving on as we all should have in a way. Sadly, we want too much for our own good. I don't know, don't mind me.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

I like to think that this is, all of this, is just a ruse for some kind of movie-trailer (kinda like how 28 Days Later or whatever put bio-information-posters around London, et cetera), but taking it to the nth degree all the way to the next level.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I just hope will stop acting like Zimmerman is this horrible guy just because he defending himself and was forced to use a gun... Btw, I heard a long time ago that Zimmerman saved a guy who was being beat up...chances are, because he was white. That was before this trial happened...And now this...I don't know, but I think people need to realize that he is human like the rest of us and makes mistakes true, but overall, he seems like a decent person who tries to do the right thing...

 

I don't think he wanted to use that gun at all...I think he had no choice after being beat up so badly. You know...people can die from their head getting bashed...I still can't get over how people brush over this...

 

Don't misunderstand me tho! I'm sad that the teen had died, but I believe that defending yourself when being attacked is a good thing.

 

If only no one died...Then maybe others would have a better time showing mercy.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just hope will stop acting like Zimmerman is this horrible guy just because he defending himself and was forced to use a gun... Btw, I heard a long time ago that Zimmerman saved a guy who was being beat up...chances are, because he was white. That was before this trial happened...And now this...I don't know, but I think people need to realize that he is human like the rest of us and makes mistakes true, but overall, he seems like a decent person who tries to do the right thing...
 
I don't think he wanted to use that gun at all...I think he had no choice after being beat up so badly. You know...people can die from their head getting bashed...I still can't get over how people brush over this...
 
Don't misunderstand me tho! I'm sad that the teen had died, but I believe that defending yourself when being attacked is a good thing.
 
If only no one died...Then maybe others would have a better time showing mercy.

I second this.

I think this whole mess comes down to both of them went self defense. The teen probably got scared when being followed so he attacked in defense. Zimmerman thinks he's under attack, so he has to defend with a legal bare armed gun. If Zimmerman kept shooting, I'll understand better, because that would be unnecessary and should get consequences. But oh well.

[Strangelove]

I second this.

I think this whole mess comes down to both of them went self defense. The teen probably got scared when being followed so he attacked in defense. Zimmerman thinks he's under attack, so he has to defend with a legal bare armed gun. If Zimmerman kept shooting, I'll understand better, because that would be unnecessary and should get consequences. But oh well.

 

Close, but it seems to be a case of stereotypes the more you hear about it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Close, but it seems to be a case of stereotypes the more you hear about it.

Yeah, or people are twisting to favor "Racist is wrong" crap. Don't get me wrong, I am against racism and what not, but if (a big if) it's not about racism, let alone stereotype, then what is all this for. Sometimes, people wants the higher rights to their own race, rather than all at times. Sad to say, but today's world, stereotype should not take it serious, but at times, it's almost all true. Who knows who's fault for this, but boy, I don't want to dive in deep.

[Strangelove]

Yeah, or people are twisting to favor "Racist is wrong" crap. Don't get me wrong, I am against racism and what not, but if (a big if) it's not about racism, let alone stereotype, then what is all this for. Sometimes, people wants the higher rights to their own race, rather than all at times. Sad to say, but today's world, stereotype should not take it serious, but at times, it's almost all true. Who knows who's fault for this, but boy, I don't want to dive in deep.

In a year or so, this whole tragedy will be forgotten when the Boondocks airs something relating to it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

In a year or so, this whole tragedy will be forgotten when the Boondocks airs something relating to it.

Yeah. Well, I will continue on.

[catsi563]

stories bullcrap, the sheriff who reported the thing apparently was a very vocal zimemrman supporter. And the family he allegedly rescued suddenly and mysteriously backed out of an interview about the subject. not to mention no one bit of evidence pictures or film shows him at the scene.

 

Also zimemrmans self defense story is equal BS. Anyone who thinks he was defending himself needs to tell me how many arms trayvon had.

 

because according to zimmerans own defense testimony and reports, he was apparently in a life or death struggle with an octopus.

[Jake]

stories bullcrap, the sheriff who reported the thing apparently was a very vocal zimemrman supporter. And the family he allegedly rescued suddenly and mysteriously backed out of an interview about the subject. not to mention no one bit of evidence pictures or film shows him at the scene.

 

Also zimemrmans self defense story is equal BS. Anyone who thinks he was defending himself needs to tell me how many arms trayvon had.

 

because according to zimmerans own defense testimony and reports, he was apparently in a life or death struggle with an octopus.

 

The Family has issued a reason for backing out, because they are scared they will be attacked by people like you who think Zimmerman was guilty.

 

 

This part really doesn't belong in this tread it belongs in the Trayvon Martin Murder Case: Update thread so If you reply to this part of the post please do so in said thread.

 

Off the top of my head I can think of three was Trayvon could have covered Zimmerman's nose and mouth while slamming his head into the ground with one hand.

 

Martin could have A): placed the palm of his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and held Zimmerman's nose between his thumb and index finger and slammed Zimmerman's head down on the ground. Or he could have B): placed the palm of his hand over Zimmerman's mouth and held Zimmerman's nose between his Index and Middle fingers and slammed Zimmerman's head down on the ground. But what I think Trayvon did was place the palm of his hand where it covered both Zimmerman's nose and mouth and pushing down as hard as he could slammed Zimmerman's head into the ground and he kept pushing Zimmerman's head keeping his hand over both his nose and mouth keeping Zimmerman from breathing, all three of this techniques would allow Trayvon to hold Zimmerman down while he tried to grab Zimmerman's Pistol, and yes Trayvon's DNA was found on Zimmerman's holster, and given what Trayvon was wearing the night of the incident the only places that Trayvon's DNA could have come from would have been his hands and his head, and for the life of me I have no Idea why Trayvon's head would be anywhere near Zimmerman's waist.

[Nate River]

stories bullcrap, the sheriff who reported the thing apparently was a very vocal zimemrman supporter. And the family he allegedly rescued suddenly and mysteriously backed out of an interview about the subject. not to mention no one bit of evidence pictures or film shows him at the scene.

 
because according to zimmerans own defense testimony and reports, he was apparently in a life or death struggle with an octopus.

Cause you would know right?

Yeah, I guess he beat himself up and those injuries on Martin's knuckles, injuries consistent with pummeling someone, just came out of nowhere. Oh, and he probably paid that dood the STATE called to the stand who said Martin was on top beating him MMA style. And I don't really have to go all in on his statements, to see the crappy case for what it was. If you have doubts about how much is sucked as a criminal case, just look at the State's behavior when they were constructing the jury charge. You don't make up that garabage Murder 3 charge if you have confidence in your case. THEY saw the writing on the wall. I really don't care what you think of his Self-defense claim. The evidence in this case SUCKED hard, and what did exist did alot more to support Zimmerman than anything else.

The family backed out because they feared backlash from Martin supporters. This has been stated. It was Zimmerman's attorney's who said this, but what do you have besides innuendo?

Moreover, if we hold you to your own standard of why this is crap then I'd say you possess the credibility of the sheriff, so why should any of us belief YOUR assertion that it's bullcrap when you offer nothing to the contrary. This was originally reported by CBS. The same CBS that made superhuman efforts to hid his injuries...no friend of Zimmerman in other words.

There is also the added the added benefit that you weren't there and talked to no one present. So...I'm inclined to believe him and not you.

If you're going to hurl this kind of accusation, you're going to have to do better than innuendo.

[TouKen4Life3g]

When it comes down to it, it's a world would never know case or more like only one has the true answer. Is the answer the same as the verdict? We don't know but what the case verdict is what it is. Maybe we are right, maybe we are wrong. Me, I would just move on before it gets ugly.

People will tell me, "I don't know until I'm in their shoes." True, but I'm only stating from my position. I got nothing to do with the case. So knowing the protests, the damage is already spread.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 25 July 2013 - 01:24 PM.

[tricksie]

Sorry to wade into the fracas, but I have to say I have some skepticism about this story.

 

His first official sighting since he's been in hiding, and he turns up at a the scene of a nearby car accident? I wonder what the statistical probability is of that. Not just being aided by a newsmaker, but being the first newsmaking thing he does after the initial event. 

 

I would like to know if he was driving by or if he was listening to a police scanner. I would be more inclined to feel that he "rescued" them if I wasn't reading the same spotty press release over and over again.

 

I also don't like that the family was opting in for a press conference. What poor judgement on their part to parlay their family's car accident into someone else's pr campaign. Whether they were encouraged or came up with this themselves. Just poor judgement, and ultimately I think doesn't reflect well on either side. 

 

They should say thank you and move on, and Zimmerman or his attorney should not encourage something that would only outrage others while this wound is still so fresh. They should have said "The deed speaks for itself. This is what he would do and the type of person he is," or some placating boilerplate like that and then just re-upped the bid for privacy. 

 

Not scheduled a press conference with the family. Yuck.

 

Anyway, I'm not too interested in getting into a knock-down-drag-out argument on this board. Just saying this story is thin to me. I would like to know more facts about it before I cast judgment.

 

It also should be said that another family may have jumped at the chance for a press conference, but that may not be a good thing. There are lots of people who would like to ride the coattails of this tragedy and get their 15 minutes of fame. Going forward, only time will tell going if stoking pr flames is a good thing. Public opinion can be very fickle.

[Nate River]

Even if he was listening to a police scanner, so what? I wonder if he believed he hidding place was compromised before this or if he even cared. If he really that he was successfully laying low then he puts him self at considerable risk by coming out, regarldess of how he heard of the accident. But, like I said, I don't really know.

I see nothing that suggesting that it did not happen and the outlets reporting it were not shy in trashing him (if not outright lying). Given they bad behavior, I would think that outlets like CBS would absolutely LOVE it if they found out this was staged and...so far nothing.

Even your probing goes towards whether he deserves an atta-boy for doing it or if he was looking for the right chance to rehab his image as opposed to the events actually happening. I've seen nothing that would suggest it didn't happen.

I'd agree about the press conference. I'm am not sure whose idea it was or who went to who first, but I do agree with that. I wouldn't assume Zimmerman himself opted to do anything versus his attorney (which is where my money is for who decided that this would be a smart thing to do). No good was going to come of it, it's not as if this was going to change minds. Even calling it was a mistake.

Catsi's post grated me because the argument broke down as: Sherriff = Zimmerman supporter, ergo it must be bull and in the next sentence basically announces herself as a big Martin supporter...so, what's the difference? It's paper thin innuendo with no substance.

[tricksie]

Yeah, I'm not saying the events didn't happen, or even that they didn't happen just like Zimmerman or others said. I just wish I knew more. It's so easy to color this one way or the other (for or against who you support) without a little more facts. So I'm reticient to jump right on any bandwagon. 

 

And yes, I'm betting it was the attorney as well who dreamed up the press conference. His name featured highly in connection with it. And if he didn't have a hand in it, then he would have been vocally distancing himself from it to keep out of any percieved slights on his reputation. ("Thanks, that's flattering, but really no...." yadda yadda yadda.)

[Superman333]

I know yall dont think Zimmerkitten is innocent ...

[Jake]

I know yall dont think Zimmerkitten is innocent ...

 

I Do.

[Superman333]

 

I Do.

Zimmerman had no right to follow Trayvon anyways and to make matters worse, the police told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and he still did it . If somebody followed me I would lay these hands to them  too, because it feels like they are threatening me. Zimmerman is guilty he didn't have to shoot and KILL Trayvon . 

Edited by Superman333, 13 November 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[Superman333]

I just hope will stop acting like Zimmerman is this horrible guy just because he defending himself and was forced to use a gun... Btw, I heard a long time ago that Zimmerman saved a guy who was being beat up...chances are, because he was white. That was before this trial happened...And now this...I don't know, but I think people need to realize that he is human like the rest of us and makes mistakes true, but overall, he seems like a decent person who tries to do the right thing...

 

I don't think he wanted to use that gun at all...I think he had no choice after being beat up so badly. You know...people can die from their head getting bashed...I still can't get over how people brush over this...

 

Don't misunderstand me tho! I'm sad that the teen had died, but I believe that defending yourself when being attacked is a good thing.

 

If only no one died...Then maybe others would have a better time showing mercy.

Zimmerkitten was a kitten for following Trayvon in the first place, Zimmerkitten is a grown ass man and Trayvon was a high school student, he had no right to follow him in my opinion .