
If Sakura still loves Sasuke why is she not worthy of respect?
#1
Posted 14 March 2012 - 06:26 AM
When I read people's posts on this forum, I often see posts written, "If Sakura is still in love with Sasuke by the end of the manga I will lose all respect for her". But then I wonder if people are saying that because that means 1.) she won't choose Naruto in the end, or 2.) because being in love with Sasuke itself is disrespecting for her character.
Now on with the question.
For people who choose 2.), why is still loving Sasuke disrespectful?
I don't understand this statement so I would be grateful if people could explain this to me. Because as far as I know, the direction of love is not something you can control rationally. I for one, respected Sakura that she tried to kill the guy she was in love with/still loves for the sake of the greater good. I find it respectful that she thinks highly of her teammate and tries to protect him more than the guy she loves. In the end, even if she is still in love with him, as long as she doesn't date or show affections toward the guy who mistreated her, I think she is still respectable.
Another question for people who choose 2.), if she falls out of love with Sasuke but falls in love with somebody other than Naruto, would you still find her respectable?
P.S. I don't know if this should have been in the debate thread. If it is then sorry. I put on this topic to see how much people connects her worth as a character to NaruSaku romance.

#2
Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:07 AM
I believe Kishimoto owes Sakura some development on her feelings, and give her a proper ending to who she actually likes. We've been beating around the bush for too damn long, and need something to show that Sakura has moved on. We keeping getting rays of hope that maybe Sakura's feelings have changed, but we end up getting sand kicked in our eyes, and going back to square one with her feelings. It's like a guessing game, and we'll just have to put up with it until Kishimoto decides to give Sakura a proper development on her feelings for both said teammates.
As far as Sakura falling in love with someone else I really don't see that happening as it's made clear in the manga that she harbors feelings for both Naruto and Sasuke. If she suddenly feel in love with some minor character, I'm calling bullsh** on Kishimoto's part at robbing Sakura of a proper relationship and closure.
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#3
Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:27 AM
I believe Kishimoto owes Sakura some development on her feelings, and give her a proper ending to who she actually likes. We've been beating around the bush for too damn long, and need something to show that Sakura has moved on. We keeping getting rays of hope that maybe Sakura's feelings have changed, but we end up getting sand kicked in our eyes, and going back to square one with her feelings. It's like a guessing game, and we'll just have to put up with it until Kishimoto decides to give Sakura a proper development on her feelings for both said teammates.
So do you think that if she is still in love with Sasuke, it means that she didn't have character development? I want to ask why is that?
It's not like she can control what she feels, neither is she actively pursuing him. Even if Sasuke comes back to the village being redeemed I doubt she would go to him even if(not saying that she is) she is in love with him. Isn't that development compared to Sakura in part 1 who wanted to date Sasuke even if he mistreated her?
That was just an "what-if" question. I know that won't happen. I just wanted to know that would people still respect her if she got over Sasuke but fell in love with somebody else. Supposedly, Lee?
Sorry, I'm in no way trying to disregard what you said. I'm just a curious guy wanting to know what people think. Thanks for answering for me though

Edited by narunarunaru, 14 March 2012 - 07:28 AM.

#4
Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:50 AM

Just for fun if Sakura did fall in love with someone like Lee, I'd definitely cringe at the idea, and try to ignore it as if it never happened.

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#5
Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:29 AM
But she is also the character were meant as the audience to most identify with, the one who doesnt have any special abilities so we as the audience can grow with her and triumph with her as she gos.
The issue with Sasuke is that from a story telling standpoint it stretches the suspension of disbelief that a character who has had such documented and expressed character growth through out the manga would just not be able to move on from her feelings for a guy who not only turned against her, but wose tried to kill her on no less then 2 occasions. And betrayed some fo the very principles she herself has held close to heart.
Also there is the notion that her feelings have been shown to have changed, and to be stronger then before for Naruto. For this development to be just thrown aside at the end just comes off as cliched and would pretty well waste all the ink used to show her development.
Simply put its a matter of we the audience having grown with this character and at the very end when the pay off is about to come we get a half assed ending where twu wub conquers all and leaves us shaking our heads.
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#6
Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:24 PM
When I read people's posts on this forum, I often see posts written, "If Sakura is still in love with Sasuke by the end of the manga I will lose all respect for her". But then I wonder if people are saying that because that means 1.) she won't choose Naruto in the end, or 2.) because being in love with Sasuke itself is disrespecting for her character.
Now on with the question.
For people who choose 2.), why is still loving Sasuke disrespectful?
I don't understand this statement so I would be grateful if people could explain this to me. Because as far as I know, the direction of love is not something you can control rationally. I for one, respected Sakura that she tried to kill the guy she was in love with/still loves for the sake of the greater good. I find it respectful that she thinks highly of her teammate and tries to protect him more than the guy she loves. In the end, even if she is still in love with him, as long as she doesn't date or show affections toward the guy who mistreated her, I think she is still respectable.
Another question for people who choose 2.), if she falls out of love with Sasuke but falls in love with somebody other than Naruto, would you still find her respectable?
P.S. I don't know if this should have been in the debate thread. If it is then sorry. I put on this topic to see how much people connects her worth as a character to NaruSaku romance.
I would definitely lost all my respect for her as a fictional character, the act is disrespecting for her character (option 2).
For me, the reasons are simple:
1. It is a very bad message to be conveyed to female audience or women in general.
2. It shows that the author doesnt appreciate women --sorry, I got to say this...
3. Though your remark is valid that she can't control who she love, that would just indicate how shallow and weak she is.
So, if she choose Sasuke in the end (God forbid); it means that she choose to forget about all the mistreatments that she received from Sasuke (being rude to her despite her best effort to make him happy, trying to hurt her when they've met the first time after 2.5 years, trying to kill her twice, etc -- all the acts that disrespect her as a woman/teammate/person), and give him the chance to be with her. Therefore throwing out all the developments that she has and shows how weak she is.
At the same time, it will also mean that she choose to ignore all the acts that highly respect her as a woman/teammate/person done by Naruto. These, by itself, are acts of lowering women's value. If someone treated me like crap, I would stand on my feet and 'fight' against that person. If my loved ones are in danger, I would do anything to put them safe. Women are braver and stronger than you could ever think, and no, it's not about pride... Sorry if I get too serious here

As for 'if she falls out of love with Sasuke but falls in love with somebody other than Naruto', I'll also disrespect her. Considering all that happened (e.g. Sakura's confession, all NaruSaku development, etc), that'll make her as a ignorance and manipulative character.
Of course, I believe that the confession was true:). The message is clear: she loves both boys and she's confused. It's part of her development to go past these hurdles... It would be a perfect ending (for me), sometime in the future, we have Sakura and Naruto end up together with Sakura saying 'I finally understand why I love him..' (something along those lines, which reflect back what Naruto was saying to her back in chapter 3)... Oh well.. wishful thinking...
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#7
Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:53 PM
Would Sakura, who was developed For over 500 chapters growing out of her naive fangirling and into a mature independent young woman, be so CLINGY to just RUN back to her first crush for NO reason other than some lingering feelings? And why would she show thus far ALL That romantic interest in Naruto and then just DROP it? Not to mention there were hints of it through her actions throughout the plot. Sasuke tried to kill he and Blatantly said he will kill EVERYONE she loves in his own village, her home. SO, would Sasuke be seen as a good potential partner for anyone from Konoha at this point? Think about it. DOES THAT answer your question?

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Edited by Phantom_999, 14 March 2012 - 03:13 PM.
#8
Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:08 PM
(1) I think for many fans it represents the age old frustration of a girl liking the bad boy who treats her like crap. It's not a perfect regurgitation, but it's easy to see why it reminds people of it.
(2) I think her initial crush (and initial dislike of Naruto) on Sasuke was, for most fans (at least most non-SS) fans as THE definitive example of her early immaturity. It was shallow. To see her develop in so many ways as a ninja and a person only to see her still hold onto the one thing that most represented her early self bothers people. Even if it did develop into a genuine love at some point...can you identify where and why that should have happened?
Your right in that love is not always rational, but this is a controlled universe.
I think for most it ultimately it comes down to this: why hang onto a guy who treated you poorly when one who worships the ground you walk on is right there next to him?
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#9
Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:29 PM
(1) I think for many fans it represents the age old frustration of a girl liking the bad boy who treats her like crap. It's not a perfect regurgitation, but it's easy to see why it reminds people of it.
(2) I think her initial crush (and initial dislike of Naruto) on Sasuke was, for most fans (at least most non-SS) fans as THE definitive example of her early immaturity. It was shallow. To see her develop in so many ways as a ninja and a person only to see her still hold onto the one thing that most represented her early self bothers people. Even if it did develop into a genuine love at some point...can you identify where and why that should have happened?
Your right in that love is not always rational, but this is a controlled universe.
I think for most it ultimately it comes down to this: why hang onto a guy who treated you poorly when one who worships the ground you walk on is right there next to him?
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#10
Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:40 PM
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#11
Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:09 PM
My view on this:
Sakura: I will say that she has no self respect and she is not proud of herself in anyway.
Sakura towards Naruto: he has always been her stup*d FOOL, she never love him or really care about him, she use his feeling and lie to him in his face, plus Naruto was only there to get back her Sasuke-kun and nothing else matters to her.
Kishi: all young girls are shallow and stup*d when it comes to the boy they love, no matter what they do to them you should not worry because girls are really that stup*d. secret insult to young girls Kishi will be showing that he has no respect for the female gender and he thinks very low about them.
Hater: will prove that they was alway right about her character, she his the worse person in the world.
Naruto: never waste your life treating the girl you love the way girls deserve to be treated because in the end she will treat you like garbage and go back to the bastard that she first love, so do not be a fool learns to treat women like dirt.
There is no other way to look at this.
There is a reason why people ask for Hinata to be the manga heroine of the Manga and not Sakura... Kishi is very agains this thinking so why change Sakura feelings toward Naruto and the development between them if by the end you are planing to throw Naruto aside just to please Sasuke and make Sakura look like an evel in the process.
Edited by donjoseph19, 14 March 2012 - 09:39 PM.
#12
Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:11 PM
If anyone remembers, I once said that I hate manga that do this and believe me there have been quite a few in my opinion: (ie. Tokyo Mew Mew, Fruits Basket.)
You see two characters interact with each other. They blush, they show hints of feelings, they support each other...and then at the end of the manga they end up with someone else who not only wasn't there for the character at all, but sometimes turns out to be the villain. They put on this whole "Nice guys finish last" routine.
The biggest question I ask was "What was the point of all that?"
What was the point of all that development if it did nothing? If nothing changes from it, then why put that kind of trouble to put all that in? Now, for me if I write a story everything has a purpose. I don't just have two characters kiss one day and then the next act like it never happened. That's just poor writing. That's just one moment, imagine something like that throughout the whole manga.
I wouldn't be disappointed in Sakura so much as I would be with Kishimoto. AND if Sakura really did do that in the end, then all the slander that people say about her would be true.
I am sorry to say, and I mean no disrespect to the opposite sex, but I do know some girls who have done this in real life. The guy that does everything for them, is the guy they spit on meanwhile the guy who spits on them gets praised like a God. I don't get it. Guys do this too sometimes. Instead of being with the girl who loves them more than anything, they rather be with the selfish girl who treats them like a dog. I wish I knew how these people thought and wonder what makes them think this way. Even if it is explained to me, I probably don't understand cause I am always the guy that worships the ground they walk on, but gets no attention.
Plus, we all want to see a relationship based around love and true emotional development, not idol worshipping.
#13
Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:25 PM
If anyone remembers, I once said that I hate manga that do this and believe me there have been quite a few in my opinion: (ie. Tokyo Mew Mew, Fruits Basket.)
You see two characters interact with each other. They blush, they show hints of feelings, they support each other...and then at the end of the manga they end up with someone else who not only wasn't there for the character at all, but sometimes turns out to be the villain. They put on this whole "Nice guys finish last" routine.
The biggest question I ask was "What was the point of all that?"
What was the point of all that development if it did nothing? If nothing changes from it, then why put that kind of trouble to put all that in? Now, for me if I write a story everything has a purpose. I don't just have two characters kiss one day and then the next act like it never happened. That's just poor writing. That's just one moment, imagine something like that throughout the whole manga.
I wouldn't be disappointed in Sakura so much as I would be with Kishimoto. AND if Sakura really did do that in the end, then all the slander that people say about her would be true.
I am sorry to say, and I mean no disrespect to the opposite sex, but I do know some girls who have done this in real life. The guy that does everything for them, is the guy they spit on meanwhile the guy who spits on them gets praised like a God. I don't get it. Guys do this too sometimes. Instead of being with the girl who loves them more than anything, they rather be with the selfish girl who treats them like a dog. I wish I knew how these people thought and wonder what makes them think this way. Even if it is explained to me, I probably don't understand cause I am always the guy that worships the ground they walk on, but gets no attention.
Plus, we all want to see a relationship based around love and true emotional development, not idol worshipping.
Kishi has to know this. Even if he doesn't focus on anyone as much as Naruto and Sasuke, Sakura is right there beside them, and her effects can easily change everything sense she is the main heroine. Jiraya never got the girl, and said it was a fail. Now if Naruto is suppose to hold Jiraya's will, then don't you think he would get the girl. All I'm saying is, if Sakura picks Sasuke, then all the build up the manga had with other parallels and Sakura's purpose of growth will be broke. All they will say is, "Naruto was okay with it, and he got Hinata". No let me ask you this. If Naruto only picks Sakura because Sakura is with Sasuke, wouldn't that make Hinata a backup girl? This is why I support SasuHina, sure they are a crack-pairing, but it fits for when Sasuke breaks his cursed revenge path, and finds his place back at the Leaf Village, and with a less emo attitude. Yes NaruHina fans will like it, cause their beloved Hinata still gets a main character.

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#14
Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:39 PM
I'm upset by the people who seem to dislike her for following her heart.

I hate to think that you people would really disrespect her for loving someone that YOU don't approve of... If Kishimoto approves it, then.. I'm ok with it. I'm sure that the way he tell the story, it will make sense in the long run... and I'm also sure that Sakura loves Naruto and will pick him.
the main thing that makes me upset about this...is the idea that everyone is just so upset at the thought of her not being with Naruto...
It reminds me of the SS and NH fans a bit... acting like Naruto would be a ass if he doesn't choose Hinata.
so you guys really think Sakura would be a b*tch or whatever if your fave pairing didn't happen? really?


#15
Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:53 PM
Edited by Phantom_999, 14 March 2012 - 10:04 PM.
#16
Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:58 PM
I'm upset by the people who seem to dislike her for following her heart.

I hate to think that you people would really disrespect her for loving someone that YOU don't approve of... If Kishimoto approves it, then.. I'm ok with it. I'm sure that the way he tell the story, it will make sense in the long run... and I'm also sure that Sakura loves Naruto and will pick him.
the main thing that makes me upset about this...is the idea that everyone is just so upset at the thought of her not being with Naruto...
It reminds me of the SS and NH fans a bit... acting like Naruto would be a ass if he doesn't choose Hinata.
so you guys really think Sakura would be a b*tch or whatever if your fave pairing didn't happen? really?


Maybe you are right but Naruto has been nothing more than the best friend Sakura will ever have.
He support her in the tough times, he was always there for her, he loves her what else can you say about the boy he really loves her...
Then she was very sad when she find out the way he suffers plus all the sacrifice he was willing to do only to see her happy men thats a lot off love, for her to turn around and tell him Sorry Naruto but I never love you I only use you, the thing is that I always love Sasuke and even if he doesn't treat me the wonderful way you treat me, I still love the bastard. So face it Naruto I really sorry to break your heart and you see the day I told you that I love you I never did, no matter what you do for me I will never love you...
Thats Sakura and Naruto relationship I can't see Sakura dumping him for Sasuke another way.
#17
Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:00 PM
Edited by Anguyen92, 14 March 2012 - 10:05 PM.
#18
Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:46 PM
I'm upset by the people who seem to dislike her for following her heart.

I hate to think that you people would really disrespect her for loving someone that YOU don't approve of... If Kishimoto approves it, then.. I'm ok with it. I'm sure that the way he tell the story, it will make sense in the long run... and I'm also sure that Sakura loves Naruto and will pick him.
the main thing that makes me upset about this...is the idea that everyone is just so upset at the thought of her not being with Naruto...
It reminds me of the SS and NH fans a bit... acting like Naruto would be a ass if he doesn't choose Hinata.
so you guys really think Sakura would be a b*tch or whatever if your fave pairing didn't happen? really?


Thank you, well said. I'm certain Sakura will choose Naruto.
But I want to add something to your point, that no one seems to be seeing about Sakura. Kishimoto gave her the most agonizingly heartrendingly painful path to love of all the characters. (far, far more painful than Naruto's, and light years more painful than Lee's, as for Hinata- she clearly showed she would be quite content with Naruto and Sakura together, so there's no pain there whatsoever, she is happy just to admire him from afar.) I can just see the majority of you going- No way! Let me explain. Sakura, naive and foolish falls hard for the "cool boy". Said boy is at best utterly disdainful of her back in Team 7 days. (Remember, Sakura, even when she was really annoyed by Naruto in early part 1, would often be supportive of him in a friendly and/or caring way and at least twice in part 2 acted without a moments hesitance to protect his life over her own. No matter what else Naruto was certain of Sakura's support and friendship. Sakura had none of that with Sasuke, even in part 1 (she had no certainty of him having even supportive team mate feeling from Sasuke- he might show it briefly, then turn right around a moment later and put her down- quite harshly, not like Sakura's moments of being hacked off at Naruto when he acted stupid, gross, rude, or perverted. Naruto still knew he could absolutely count on Sakura in any kind of bad situation) where Naruto at least had something resembling a friendship/team mate bond part of the time from Sasuke, enough so he could count on it, for the most part.
Sakura is burdened with feelings for someone who at best had absolutely no feelings of affection for her at all, and was completely contemptuous of her, then add the events of part 2 on top of that. Sakura knows Sasuke has willingly become a monster who threatens the world. She is sickened and ashamed that she still harbors remnants of any feelings for someone so terrible. It's like a knife in her heart striking over and over. She has to carry this, it makes her think she's a lousy and weak person. No one has told her that it's really hard to cut emotional bonds, and the deeper they go the harder it is. That's the deepest bond of all.
She deeply loves Naruto, far more than she ever did Sasuke. (Even in early 1 part there was a semiconscious attraction to Naruto, something that became fully conscious the very moment he made the promise of a lifetime to her.) Even in part 1, time and again it's Naruto she thinks of, Sasuke is an afterthought at best nearly every time. It's Naruto that she trusted implicitly, even in early part 1.
Rather than the mass spewing contempt for Sakura for her choices, look at the situation through her eyes. I think this is what startles Kishimoto about the hatred directed toward her character- he intended for readers to see the situation through her eyes and expected readers to be intensely sympathetic to her. To "feel her pain".
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#19
Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:31 PM
Edited by Dragunov, 14 March 2012 - 11:33 PM.
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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:35 PM
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