Konoha'sCrimsonFox

Other, Kishimoto has never mentioned the Dragon Quest anime you watched as his primary inspiration for Naruto in any interview. He has mentioned that the NartuoXSasukeXSakura dynamics were based off of Slam Dunk. Which I assume you have not watch/read. Hanamichi Sakuragi was a dumb punk that falls in love with Haruko Akagi an avid basketball fan that has a crush on the ace's of her high school's basketball team the gifted Kaeda Rukawa. To win her affection Sakuragi joins the team and is rivals with Rukawa. In Slam Dunk, none of them end up together at the end. Rukawa was never interested in Akagi, and Sakuragi eventually became more interested in focusing on basketball. So if Haruko got together with Sakuragi, She would have been Haruko Sakuragi. Haruno, Sakura.

 

Crimson Fox, it is clear that you have given a lot of time to thinking deeply into why the ending happen, and you hope that Kishimoto's reasonings were just as deep to justify your contemplations.

 

The simple truth is this. Kishimoto did not have any long term story with tons of intricacies. His story is quite simple. For most of the characters of Naruto, unless they managed to hold his interest, their initial story was all they were going to get. 

 

For Sakura that means, near the end of the manga she would discover that Naruto was the one that gave her the forehead comment and fall in love with him. Of course plans change, as there was a change in how girls are portrayed in shounen, going from rarely fighting and mainly just hit the main character comically, to can and will fight while still hitting the main character comically, but that meant Kishimoto never really knew what to do with her beyond that. As he never fully understood the change nor embraced it.

 

Yahagi was Kishimoto's editor until right before the Pein arc. He was his editor for about 10 years when the average is 2. After Yahagi, Kishimoto went through 14 different editors in 5 years. Rumors have it that after Yahagi his next editor was a big fan of Hinata even wanting her to become the love interest/heroine and was the one pushing her to have the scenes she got in the Pein arc.

 

You seem to think that just because they didn't get together after the Rescue Gaara arc that Kishimoto abandoned it right then and there. When again, it was more him wanting them to get together at the end of the manga. If they did end the pairing at that arc. Why did Sakura have the moment when Naruto was in 4-tails? Why did she try to feed him ramen after the Shikamaru arc? Why she hug him after Pein? Why did she keep having scenes like that till near the end of the manga? The answer is again, they were suppose to get together until Kishimoto was 'convinced' to change it at the last minute.

 

Sakura is Kishimoto's type. He married a woman that everyone says is very like Sakura.

 

Kishimoto has said multiple times he does not get the appeal of Hinata, but went with her because he was told she was what the fans wanted. He understand why people like SS and thinks it's cliche. That might have changed after seeing how far Naruto-Boruto has fallen, but he can't do anything right now without it look like he is stabbing his former assistant in the back.

 

As for the Japanese fanbase...what has happened to Star Wars is a good analogue. Naruto's manga average sale was 3.47 million. Boruto averages out at around 100k. The SS manga got about 50K. Most of the Japanese fanbase either understand that the ending was a move to appease the Western Fanbase, or just assume it was his intention. Either way most have moved on with only nH and SS really staying around, with SS being the larger one by far.

 

Good to see Bail.

 

I assumed the first paragraph was a response Totherpage at first... got very confused at first glance. It seems like age is starting to have an effect on my memory that I developed soo many gaps over the years   .  I skimmed back to thought  included my memory of Ramentasu and Rikudou (that used to be Japanese translators here in this forum) made the NS pairing comparison to SlamDunk and that I never watched SD and played the DQ video games in my response to Totherpages. So it was a mistake lol.

 

The  first highlight in your post is what I failed and try to live up to. Again my memory/knowledge is so outdated compared to you guys. I already started to developed a series case of amnesia on this franchise related to the content, media and fans. So that's what why I'm compilating from what I can remember about the series. In fact, I don't not even remember most of the character introduced after the Pain Arc and Choji's wife (I forgot her name) that I thought had the potential to become another girl that likes Naruto because she's part of Killerbee's team.

 

This goes for the interviews. Mainly because I emphasized on the end game pairings at most, that I neglected other parts of the interviews. Now that you mentioned Team 7 dynamics based off of SD, was during the post ending interview Kishi had with Yahagi? Because now I do recalled Kishi said something like that during that interview. 

 

Although the fault lies in the NH assistant/editors for mislead Kishi, its Kishi priority to get his information outsourced. I know it easy to say this, but unless his former is related to him in anyway as being close friend or kin, Kishi should care less if he backs stabs his former assistant. 

 

I do not know if this is true or not, but I've read Kishi does not know how to operate a computer. It would have been easy for see that he was being deceived from within his workplace if he new how to surf the internet. 

 

Man I started to get worse. Better end this before I blow my find to smithereens 

 

Nice seeing you again. I wish NSforlife/TouKenForlife was still to give in analytics on the series 

 

Yeah I think you are looking to negatively into this, as I don't think Kishimoto only starting to like sakura at the beginning of part 2, pretty sure he was fond of sakura from the beginning of part 1.

Also I don't think sakura held too long of a grudge against naruto for the womanly comments, as she show great concern for his wellbeing when she learnt that naruto was a jinjuriki and if he is captured by the akatsuki and has his tailed beast extracted he will die. Along with the tenchi Bridge and seeing naruto in his 4 tailed transformation followed up by yamato hinting that she feels something more for naruto.

Arguably afterwards kishimoto did afterwards was slow burning development with the sakura trying feed scene and her showing having a similar pervey side like naruto when kohonahamaru showed of the sexy no justu before doing the big hug in the pain arc.

Now arguably doing the slow burn for a series as long as naruto caused long term problems as many fans failed to see and ended up thinking hinata was the love intrest due to that big pain moment. Heck this tends to be a problem for many series that do slow burn like avatar the last airbender, as not everyone saw it coming despite obvious hints.

It probably didn't help that around this time new editors came in with an anti sakura agenda to replace sakura with hinata which probably effected the writting around sakura so much that it ended up the mess that it did. Also didn't help that kishimoto became very insecure with Sakura's popularity in the west.

Pretty sure kishimoto post ending interviews are just damage control by jump to avoid the backlash with how he made the canon couples and the not a romance manga is just a poor exuse to as to why the canon couples are so bad.

I think its fine if a series makes it that one character is in love with more than one person though they got to make it eventually clear like nisekoi did. Also kishimoto should of really addressed the love confession much sooner to make it clear that sakura was in love with naruto, but also still had some feelings for sasuke.

 

I do have to apologize my neutral perspective seems like soured the mood. It was never my intention. I mean, it took awhile to put the past behind me that it doesn't no longer effect my life.

 

Edit: For those who don't want to read my final post on this negative debate, skip down to the line breaker and read the spoiler box. I have come up with a possible NS reboot manga Kishi could serialized.

 

Even if it pains me to think outside the NS box, I come to a conclusion that shonen manga or I should say SJ comics in general got away with a lot of undeveloped endgame pairings since the dawn of manga serialization in Japan perhaps a century old or older.

 

I know the passing Akira Toriyami got away with Vegetta and Bulma. Fun fact Ramenastu translated rumors back in 2014 from 2chan (Japan's main anime forum) that Tori faced a similar situation as Kishi is that he started to get tire of DBZ and wanted to end. SJ deny it and stated DBZ was too popular to conclude, so that why Trunks was born lol. It seems like he wanted to decreased the popularity of DBZ, but like Naruto, it had too much momentum in sales. 

 

In theory, it seem like when time Yahagi left, he and Kishi had to put Sakura on the back seat because she no longer have the role as the FML. So throughout the remaining duration of the manga, the FML role is just an empty title. Where I'm basing this off of is the interview first Kishi and Yahagi had together since the conclusion. We found out in that interview that Kishi was not found off Team Taka and Sasuke became somewhat like a second protagonist (bromance). Not for the plot... as a business transaction. The increase in Sasuke's screen time was meant to bring in more fans and sadly this might have lead up to the demise of NS.

 

This is why Kishi never wrote NH.

 

Whatever happened behind close doors, it all points into the direction that the intended female lead being paired plot has been scrapped due to traditions in the shonen genre to be self centered around action and adventure from male population. Unfortunately, pairings in traditional shonen manga are meant to create/introduce more characters. DBZ is perhaps the best example I can come up with.

 

Even if its been many years since I'd watched the very last episodes of Z and the non canon GT (never watched Super), I still do not know how Toriyama got away with Goku and ChiChi too. I'm not saying I dislike the pairing (I'm also GokuChi fan too). Its that these a lot of the traditional male Jump protagonist are muscles brains that either lack IQ or knowledge. I mean Goku didn't know how to tell between the opposite. Not to mention he has little to no knowledge of romance and what happens between man and woman on screen. But it had to be done in order to create characters like Gohan and Trunks.

 

Even in modern times, I see this happening with BlackClover which is the Aster so post to be Naruto likewise Juno has Sasuke's shadows. I put Asta in this category of muscle brain MCs not because he's Anti Magic. But it seems like his intelligence on romance is misinformed like Goku. I could be very wrong since I put BC on such a long hiatus, but during my time reading, Asta apparently wants to marry the nun that seems to raised him. Apparently, unlike Naruto, Asta is lucky to have a fangirl base. However, despite wanting to marry the nun girl, It seems like Asta's knowledge what happens between man and woman might still be premature like a toddler. I mean if you have least a kid or grandchild, that child might tell you marry when they grow up.

 

This is why I lose faith and romance shonen manga these days. It's a rarity to get something like Fullmetal Alchemist and Inuyasha.

 

Traditional shonen manga forced Kishi to put NS romance on hold to increase Sasuke popularity for the sales. In general, I heard editors do get switched out in during a long durations comics from time to time. Again in theory, it's likely Yahagi's departure has to do with Sakura not getting with Naruto. 

 

It makes since that people are putting the blame on the 14 editors that kishi went through after Yahagi departed from Naruto. 

 

Now putting on my NS cap once again. If Kishi loves Sakura/NS. It make absolutely sense why he would not go with that pairing at the end besides the pairing not being popular outside of Japan in his favor. If he's unable to write Naruto and Sakura as a proper couple. Kishi knew it would be a disgrace if he had done a cop out version of NS because of tradition relating to classic shonen manga.  That's why we have this atrocity aftermath of 700 chapter in the final chapter. That's Kishi's message to us fans, writing/illustrating Naruto for 15 years.

 

 

 

Now putting this terrible past behind us. I know there is a thread that topics about a what a reboot of Naruto should be like. I'm not sure if I'm going to be as active as I am in the future so I going to give my ideas on what a Naruto reboot should be like.

 

I do remember that. Does he still have the Saku keychain on his desk?

 

There is a lot of pairings that you can compare NS to that came before their time in many forms. And I believe a perfect NS would be a romcom pairing.

 

The main issue that we seem to overlook is why did Kishi didn't follow through with the romance. The reason why I speculating that Kishi did not become a fan of Sakura until part 2 is because of that. On paper and record, it look like he hit an author's block during the the Pt2 Team 7 training when Naruto asked Sakura out on a date after the training and she teasingly rejected before going on an ice cream break. This is sadly one of the last moments that could have been NS romantic interaction because it seem like Kishi wrote Sakura getting her vengeance on Naruto when he did not gave her the response she wanted (she asked Naruto if she has become more womanly) in a romcom way.

 

Kishi had a lot of chapters and volumes ahead of that Team 7 Pt2 training outro to follow up with that.  Kishi only had Naruto asked Sakura on dates, but it was just not the same, especially, the last time he tried to asked her out. That was the day he received news of J-man's death. That's just on Naruto's side.

 

As for Sakura, Kishi has absolutely no clue and no way to follow up her romantic feelings after after the introduction scene. He could not come up with ideas for to counter Sakura's rejection to Naruto. We waited patiently. We all thought Kishi new what he was doing with delay after delay. Still no follow up to the point that we have to take everything Sakura interacts with Naruto as a NS moment, which is disheartening.

 

There should never be any complications to get Sakura loving Naruto in a romantic light on screen! Totally unacceptable. It's outrageous how he could drag it out for many years being so dense. I understand romance is not Kishi's forte as I said like many times lol. But he's a married man. So he should already have basic experience form of romance and courtship between the opposite gender.  It's so simple that even a cave man can do it. DA's artist Tokai has done it for us so take a look at some old NS content from Alternative: The Last.

 

 

This could have made Sakura romantic feelings for Naruto official to the audience if was implemented by Kishi. This was just only three pages and it would not only been a game changer to keep NS ship afloat in the original manga. But it would not have come at a better time than the Pain Arc conclusion. As we all know (most of us old Naruto fans), The Pain arc was where the Sakura hate spiraled out of control and people wanted a change of FML  transferred to Hinata change because Hinata risked her life to come to Naruto's aid. And of course the Sakura's infamous failed-fession.

 

Of course this time frame is set two years after the 4th War Arc, but the girl talk scene between Saku and Ino could still be used right after Naruto's victory over Pain. Sakura getting jealous over Naruto's new Konoha fangirl during the conversation. Kishi could expand the girl talk scene with more details concerning Hinata in Sakura's state of mind. 

 

Although, its going to take a long period of time to get back to the Pain Arc chapters, but you if you recall the scene where Sakura heals Hinata after getting clobbered by Pain? She had a lot of negative facials. Sakura was frowning when she subconsciously said, "Hinata loves Naruto."

 

Ino listens to a dejected Sakura. Most likely scenario, Sakura feels guilty of her mistreatment of Naruto during the academy and show probably knows Hinata was only the person that stood beside him. My theory, Ino rehash was she just said about her dilemma between Naruto and Sasuke. With Sakura being her friend, Ino will be more bias towards Sakura will mentioned that everyone in Konoha now loves him as a hero, a sibling and potential lover and he see people that are closets to him as family.

 

It doesn't matter who loves and stood beside Naruto first. Naruto has the choice to pick the one who he wants to spend the rest of his life with. Ino says it directly to Sakura's face that she always had first dibs on Naruto (because of Naruto's infatuation) and if she waits any longer. Someone else will likely worm their way into his heart. Kishi could comically top it of with the conclusion of Ino confessing that she will not hesitate a single moment go after Naruto if she becomes infatuated in the future with Naruto being the new hot potato in town. An annoyed and jealous Sakura will be motivate enough to approach Naruto.

 

But it will still be a tall order for Sakura to accomplish because the passing J-man and near destruction of Konoha, Naruto at that time is not in the mood. And it is why the failed-fession hugging scene will still play out the exact same way when Naruto thinks Sakura is lying. And who could blame him. This is why the girl talk scene could have played a significant role in Sakura character growth and importantly not a liar.

 

If Kishi had gathered is wits, instead of succumbing to Sakura hate, which lead to the abandonment of NS (one of his interview he decided to go with NH at the middle portion of the manga), this scene could have been where Kishi drop the Infinity Gauntlet onto  this Sakura hate/FML dethroning debacle. And we will likely never have a terrible ending of Naruto.

 

Going back to that 2017 interview with entire staff, the person that was doing the interview asked why there was no love triangle between Naruto, Sakura and Hinata. Kishi could have nailed in the final nail into the NS coffin if he stated that he never intended  Sakura to return Naruto's unrequited love. Instead we have typical Kishi being in character by not giving us a straight honest answer. His response is that he never have time to write a love triangle between these three character because Naruto being all about shonen action pack manga instead of romance. 

 

This makes him look like a total clueless moron because he contradicted himself. He already implemented at least two one-sided love triangle, which is the T7 and Rock Lee love triangle. You can now sarcastically put Sakura returning Naruto's feeling into this category too by not having time to fully write out Sakura's dilemma 

 

This is just insulting our intelligence 

 

 

 

Leaving the conspiracy theories out of the way, there has to be a reason why Kishi could not simply put the puzzle pieces when comes to Sakura putting Sasuke behind her and moving to Naruto. After nearly a decade, I come to two conclusions. First is that Kishi tried to avoid Sakura being the jealous type. I think Kishi acknowledges that jealousy can have a very bad influences on Sakura's character by making her two-timing (she has not gotten over Sasuke yet) and her having double standards, which is not great at all.

 

This is the hurdle he could not overcome. While  it may seem difficult very for Kishi, its not complicated at all. It's easy peasy. What Kishi should have done is dropped the romcom and upgrade NS to a traditional romantic pair by a repeat of Pt1 NS dates. This time Sakura is fully committed to Naruto. It starts off by the basic form of romance is holding hands.

 

Secondly, it is Hinata. Here is all we should look into it because it may solved the mystery way Kishi went with NH besides the popularity. Kishi knows killing off Hinata will reflect poorly on NS. He also knows that his Hinata does not move on from Naruto, she will be heartbroken. Possibly, Kishi had too have no ideas to get over this hurdle too.

 

 

 

I do apologize for the towering post. I can't remember the last time I wrote like this   Before I put this towering post to bed, there is a fun comparison one page between the original Naruto and Alternative: The Last could have helped Kishi leading up to a NaruSakuHina love triangle... 

 

I wouldn't say the pairing's behind us... (Sp recently released a acrylic of sakura confessing to naruto) Yes some people watch boruto but many people don't like the sequel series much like people don't like the new star wars... Will disney do something to make amends for their actions? It might be unlikely. Or look at the way ash's story in pokemon ended. Many things not addressed and ash never even meets his dad. But it doesn't matter enough it seems. I still wouldn't claim all of ash's fans put the series behind them. Sakura was also a lot higher than hinata in the recent poll (higher than naruto and sasuke even). Sakura vs chiyo also won the fight poll as well.... Kishimoto was likely copying the love triangle in dragon quest: the adventure of dai but probably didn't do a great job but even so i don't think sakura was hated to a huge extent. There are youtubers nowadays who openly say sakura and naruto should've been together so at least some fans know it should've happened

 

When it comes to SP, I take everything from them as  salt and grain. Nothing spectacular. After the fiasco they pulled on us with The Last, I avoid watching anything that they animate. Even if its a manga series I currently reading like Black Clover.

 

I have to agree with Luans post.

 

Kishi had to roll through field of feces with a mouth full of excrement to justify the ending, heading into Borotu. Only God knows how many  brazen interviews (in the old locked thread) that Kishi never gave us a straight and honest answer. I remember Kishi got an reward (I forgot the name) sometime in 2015 or 2016 for completing his first long term manga series Naruto. He did not look happy. Even at the 2015 Shonen Jump Festa, you can tell by his body language in the photos in video that he was putting on a forced smile throughout the event.

 

So yeah, early Pt2, he got the "Sakura hate" memo from his staff and they suggest that Sakura should be replace with Hinata as the new FML... sadly this outcome became true. And Kishi got the "Endgame Hate" memo from us NS fans and loyal Naruto fans shortly after it published. Kishi realized that he had been duped. Interesting enough, his trip to New York at a comic convention, he sarcastically mentioned this along the lines of his wife not being too please with him not pairing Naruto up with Sakura.

 

He tried to move on with Samurai 9, but it got axed. This is a major blow for his career. He can't get away from Naruto without making money. I have every reason to believe that series has been a total disappointment and major blunder in Kishi's eyes longer than we ever thought.

 

We have to go back and look at the foundation of Naruto. As I said before, Naruto was originally not a ninja manga. Kishi might have never intended to have a female lead. That's why that title was vacant in PT1. If you read his very old interviews while Naruto was still in his prime, It seems romance and female characters are not his forte and seems uncomfortable. During the 2017 interview that Kishi and his entire staff had together, they implemented the FML (female lead) and it should be center around the end gaming pairing, meaning Naruto marries the FML.

 

Now to get to the meat of my post or debate, with my NS bias hat off my head, I believe Kishi never intended to include pairings in Naruto generation and wanted to aim for an opening as I mentioned that romance is not his forte. I know this is going to sound like something that a NH fan would spat from his/her mouth, but just bear with me. Theoretically, Sakura might have been a "Satellite Character" not in Naruto's favor. Her her existence is for Naruto's character growth, meaning he so post to move on from her. Sakura was not so post to have a significant role.

 

Knowing this, people working with him that wanted NH capitalized on this, which leads to Sakura being very infamous amongst the Naruto fanbase. Her being hated has to do with everything related to NS. Till this day, I believe in the conspiracy theory that people who were in charge on NH sabotage Sakura's character in the polls all because Kishi had chosen Sakura over Hinata. 

 

It's common sense why he chosen Sakura, because she is much easier to write as the FML solely because she is Naruto's teammate. That means she will have a lot of screen time as where Hinata. It will be difficult to insert her the FML position because she will not have the screen time requirements to keep up in that role not able to interact with Naruto as much as Sakura. Secondly, it seems like Kishi wanted Naruto and the FML's relationship to be like with him and his wife just for reference. I think in his mindset, using his experience marriage might have been easy for him to write Naruto's romantic relationship with the FML.

 

Now its been nearly 10 years later and here we are.

 

There is nothing that can motivate Kishi enough to reboot Naruto and give us NS after all he done and went. Even if Viz gives him the green light. He's likely going to milk Boruto as long as possible.

 

However, March 1... legendary author Akira Toriyama passed away. I know a lot of well known figures, including Kishi himself referred to Toriyama as sensei. Kishi is a fan of Toriyama, so its not the first time I see people comparing the potential pairings to the Dragón Quest games. I think, this will perhaps Toriyama's passing might only thing that can motivate Kishi to give us his true ending as a Toriyama tribute . Even so, I will still have mixed feelings if ever happens.

 

 

 

Do we still have members that can translate Japanese in the past? I known there was a native Japanese member by the Penname Ramenatsu used to translate news from Japans main anime forum "2chan".

Man I got the news when I was on my lunch break yesterday. It's sad to see him go, because DB and DBZ (English dub) was my first Japanese anime I've every watched when I was a kid back in grade school while Naruto was my first manga. He will be missed. And my condolences goes out to his family and friends.

 

Normally this is only done for good/great character that passed away from posters in comment sections anywhere on the internet that's host stories or video games.

 

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You're leaving?

 

Nope I'll be here as long as I can. I was referring to people that are no longer with us. Not my departure 

 

 

Hmm considering all the evidence pointing to ns being what was supposed to be endgame and all the ns references kishi put in the Minato one shot and the quality of the art it goes to show that kishi made a mistake. Even his wife apparently doesnt buy nh. Do i want a interview? Yeah but even without one it's clear. I'm a naruto fan not a fan of boruto and if the people who made naruto are not happy why should i be? Same goes for how i feel about star wars right now

 

Sadly, there is nothing can be done about the past. And we forever will lose fans Naruto had back in 2014. But what Kishi decides what to do with his time with Boruto will effect his legacy as a manga artist. Plenty famous people rather if they are actors, athletes, musicians, authors... ect comes out closet and unveils a dark and gloomy side during their careers. And we all know that how Viz/SJ approved of the ending was very unorthodox.

 

What I did manage to find out during my 5-6 year absence from this forum that editors can have an immense control of a story. Usually this happens when newborn and fresh authors either give up entirely, or lack any ideas to keep submitting content rather if its manga chapters and  light novels volumes on time and this is Kishi for an example.  Naruto was so post to be a ramen delivery boy if I remember correctly. Not a ninja manga.

 

But what if Kishi had already brainstorm either written or already illustrated NS chapters of their dates and Sakura romantically has feelings for Naruto has been scrapped due to Sakura falling out of the popularity polls (after Sand Village Arc) and being the most hated female character in the west? You guys find it very strange that Kishi never followed up with multiple NS dates after the sand arc when he had the momentum from Team 7 Pt2 training introduction?

 

I know there is no way Kishi will ever compromise the organization that he submits content to for a living. So he will have to take the full blame and confessed his incompetence for writing Naruto not the way he wanted and could not find a solution to resolve Sakura's fanbase hate. With the pairing put way behind us and Boruto manga is like 8 years old, it will not do much as  harm as it would have been past for Kishi to finally unveiled the reason why Sakura was the Pt2 FML to the world because a lot of the old fans that are haters are either gone or won't care if Sakura was so post be like Kishi's wife at least in appearance wise.

 

Rather if Kishi decides to do a reboot to fixes they glaring flaws or not is beyond us, but nevertheless, it will be very "amusing" 10th year anniversary if Kishi drops this bombshell ^^. Not sure if we should pity him or not.

 

.As for Starwars in Disney's hands. I feel the same way. Watched the first movie and never returned after.

Happy New year to everyone. Too bad we didn't' got one final update from Tokai before the year ended.

Cheeses Christ!

 

I took 2 years off this doijin before to Tokai's latest update. Hopefully my return never jinxed it 

 

Assuming from here on out, besides the busy life, a lot of the plot will be "Original" besides with the exemption of the Toneri arc being end game. 

 

If this ends up being my final post of 2023, I wish Happy Holidays all my NS family and a Happy New (crossing fingers, hoping its the year that we have a NS couple) 

For as long as read the series, Kishi is halfhearted when it comes to romantic relationships in Naruto. Him giving up on Sakura character after Sand Arc was not only her final moments of being the female lead in Kishi's head (as he switched to Sasuke), it was the sole reason why we have the pairings as it is.

Kishi forcing himself to comeback to the Naruto franchise just because he failed to profit from his discontinued comic is beyond laughable.

My opinion is that Kishi's should reeevaluate his skills and turn over a new leaf and just work with many writers because all he's good at is illustration.

Even if that myth was true, no company would be happy with the excuse for low sales being, "they don't like Boruto, so they didn't buy a side manga made for them." Especially, since Boruto happened by making the end pairings nH/SS. 
 
Sakura lost her position due to fan-polling being used as a weapon against her, now 8 or so years later she is the third most popular character around the world. So she likely has both the data we can and cannot see behind her.
 
I think part of the reason they are focusing on Boruto right now beyond the years of low sales is; like how its happened in hopes of it keeping Naruto sales going when there at the time nothing to replace it. Now, most of the manga that did replace it are largely ending this year with nothing coming up seeming to be able to replace them. But instead of hoping it can hold up their figures while they wait for the new generation of shounen manga to make them money. They are finally looking at Boruto as its lost the manga that used to subsidize it. So now they pondering should they keep it around or just end it.
 
"What Kishi should've done: focus on making a good story, ignore the noises coming from the fandom. Especially the loud ones (looking at you NH/SS)." I'm pretty sure kishimoto made a comment like this after the ending...of course it backfired as the Japanese fans thought he was talking about them. I still think he was talking about his editors.
 

In theory, the genjutsu wasn't re-writing memories just showing Naruto and Hinata events that did happen. Showing Naruto that Hinata was always by his side, always loved him, and that they are bound by the red scarf of fate. Granted still a retcon by the anime staff
 
If you want an in-universe reason for why it happened. Ironically, Boruto last chapter gives a possible reason; an Otsutsuki likely used the shinjutsu 'Omnipotence' to rewrite the world so Naruto marries Hinata. So Boruto can be born. So femmy can possess his body. Of course, even with their minds re-written once Naruto and Hinata actually got together their lack of any chemistry made their marriage what it became.

Well do forgive me for that my knowledge comes from the final chapter of Naruto and the one-shot volume Naruto gaiden manga.

To my understanding that Kishi took over the previous author for the Boruto manga and killed off Kurama. That's pretty much I know sofar.

Kishi having to be hired back to perhaps ruined any chances of NS reboot, so it's reasonable that he cleans up after his mess with, starting with the canon relationships (unfortunately).

I recently watched the Alternate fanmade anime version of TL and when Sakura and Naruto got caught in the genjutsu, it refreshed my memories about the retcon flashback. Now it make totally sense that SP went the retcon route (originally I thought was to deceived the audience/readers/viewers for many years). It's all because of a fri**en Genjutsu that ruined our hero into being the number one SJ most scumbag protagonist in history. Even when nearly a decade has passed since chapter 700, it it really gets my blood boiling how SJ was brought to ruin and the aftermath of him being and old drunk and a terrible father. 

 

 Guys thanks for the info and saving me the pain to watch the film. 

I was that kid   when I was a teen, my catch phrase was basically "I hate my life/I hate you mom/dad/I wish I were dead." But my parents still didn't avoid me even though they probably worked more than Naruto  and one of them was periodically over seas for months at a time. both of them still made time for their kids, If they COULD be at an event/birthday/holiday they were and I wasn't angry at them for working--I was angry at everything. 

It was a pretty poor choice on their part to make Burrito that combative with Naruto but the whole thing is ultimately a clusterkitten of how not to write family dynamics. (Unless you're purposely writing families in crisis   )

I think it would have been more effective for the entire k11 to plead their case to Naruto personally rather than using Sakura as a sacrificial lamb. At least then he's somewhat forced to explain himself and be countered with multiple points of view. but, NARUTO CANNOT BE QUESTIONED ABOUT SASUKE~ (Nor can Sakura.) He's the team 7 taboo. 
 

 

I'm pretty sure it was the Last, but its possible they also added filler to it.

  

It was The Last

Ok... was the flashback during the scene when Naruto and Hinata were connected by a genjutsu sequence? Or was it introduced at a later point in the movie?

It's been a while since I've posted on this thread. I've long since stopped following Kishi' interviews. I think the last one was some where back in 2017 I think when he talked about Sakura and Hinata love triangle with Naruto, and how the much the Sakura haters on from Kishi',s assistants mocked Sakura being ugly lol.

Sure, Kishi kind of defended NS with, stating that he never had time to write a love triangle between these three characters and he went rambling about the manga being Shonen action story to justify his reasoning. Because he had many chances back then to explain everyone that Sakura has never romantically love Naruto' instead of doing questions with bogus answers for instance: he said to an interviewer not too long after chapter 700 that the reason why Naruto couldn't get with Sakura is because it would make her look bad and with a lot more where that came from during the early years before Boruto manga was even a thing.

Now from what I'm reading from his recent interviews (if it's post samurai 7) I just take it for salt and grain. Because ever since he got hired to do Boruto from what I heard and read, I have a feeling that Kishi, enthusiasm creator or employer of his work is gone and it just like me and many people that go to work for a living.

Thats my opinion.

What an awkward position Sakura is laying as if she's sleeping normally. Naruto is going to get clobbered tsundere style if this is the case as he's interrupting her sleep.

Anyways, I predict the next 2-3 pages will commence Kishi's NS scene of separation that infamously labeled Naruto the most scumbag protagonist in the history of Shonen Jumps.

There is plenty of ways Tokai can proceed with this development of the highly anticipated character redemption of Naruto Uzumaki from canon. I remembered Naruto's Seiyuu refused to voice the dialogue because how disgusted she was with the script.

It's going to be interesting from here on out. Because this will likely be the final nail in the coffin for NH in this story.

Heck... Tokai could throw a curve ball and teased us a NS "Attempted Kissing" only to be c***blocked/interrupted by Sai,Shikamaru or Sasuke😅

I took a break nearly 3 years away from H&E because life got too busy for me and also Tokai seems to drag out the canon filler arc on Hinata's Byakugan princess background. I missed you all my NS brothers and sister.

 

To be honest, I thought the we will still be on the arc till 2024 so was was not planning to check up on the update here until 2024 or the ending of this year. So I came back to gauged the response from you guys on the ALT fanmade film. it was to my surprise that I stumbled upon this video. But I'm a little disappointed that no one is discussing the fanmade movie version here of H&E. But not surprising in this current year that many of us have moved on and no longer care about the Naruverse and its sunken ships of the past and the new generation Naruto manga has apparently left its predecessor manga series  in the dust . If ATL part 1 went viral as early as 2017, this would have shaken the current naruverse/borruto to its foundation with massive uproars from pro-enders petitioning  Kishi to sue us all 

 

 

 Enough of my ranting, Im happy that this Hinata canon fillers are over and done with and I can't express how excited I'm am for the next couple of pages Tokai releases. Going to try my best to keep up from page to page from here on out.

I have not watched SP's version of the movie, so I cannot give a rating (also have no intention of watching the movie in the foreseeable future). However, part 1 the Alternate version of the fan-made by Bluesky anime movie I give it 4 out of 5 stars. Simply the pacing was too fast for my linking and the movie appeared to have some audio issues.

 

Now on to the 4 star rating positive review, I'm totally shocked that this was not a remake by SP. What blew my mind is Sakura\s confession and feelings. I have watched it 6 times before this post and I counted the times she blushed. It is more than Kishi's serialized version. If Kishi had done this at the beginning (after Sand Village Arc) of part 2, the idea/concepts NH and SS by Kishi's assistants would have been obsolete  from the get-go. What a pity that the hands of destiny never played out the way we hope for and is soley the reason why Naruto versus Deidara 2.0 (which I theorized that it could have lead up to a major NS sequence) was completely forgot somewhere in the plot for Sasuke's huge involvement. 

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