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#11881 Baguette

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:56 AM

QUOTE (soraandven @ Mar 3 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
idk but does it really matter anymore cuz he trolled them in 616 plus tl21xx read to me the official translation for 615 from shounen jump alpha and it seemed very platonic rather then romantic

Try telling that to some hardcore NH fans: "But Naruto held Hinata's hand longer! It must mean that he's developed feelings for her now! arg.gif"


QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 3 2013, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If NaruSaku becomes canon like I believe it will, then I will do many things in celebration of it: first, talk it over with you guys here, then watch the NaruHina/SasuSaku fans's meltdown for my personal entertainment (at least the bashers) maybe say I told you so, go through an NaruSaku AMV montage with the reality that I was right and the message behind these AMVs were true, and then re-watch/re-read the whole series to see the NS journey all over again. What a great time that'll be. biggrin.gif

I won't lie, I'd probably go all out and start trolling the NH/SS fans and rubbing it in their faces. Sure I'd probably get banned from some forums, but what does it matter when the series is already over? laugh.gif


QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ Mar 3 2013, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for your question, I believe so. Many people who watched and reviewed the movie talked about NS positively and there was even some top comments on RtN webpage that was pro-NS, likely personally chosen by Kishi (Ex. "The reality of Naruto falling in love with Sakura and eventually winning her over follows the themes of the story perfectly." True quote. ) Another plus for this is that on a Facebook poll over the couples (non-canon or otherwise) shown in Road to Ninja had NaruSaku with over 1,000 votes, coming in only second to NaruHina (Which was, hilariously, only 47 votes ahead. Shocking, huh?).

Why this is so surprising? This was quite clearly a Western popularity poll full of NH fans. So it likes look either NS fans were coming out of hiding or the pairing is gaining dramatically in numbers because of this movie.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 4 2013, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even SS fan couldn't deny the awesomeness and parallel of NS/MK. It's really effective and there were tons of NS fanarts based off of RtN. There was a discussion board about how NS had a ton of focus and how some of them felt wrong believing other pairings. Oddly enough, this movie helped and caters to NejiHina fans. But yes, what you said is true, especially the top comment part.

Bold: So even the author himself thinks of NaruSaku as befitting the story? Now I'm even more confident in our pairing. a_dance.gif
The more I hear about the movie and all the pro-NS reaction surrounding it, the excited more I am to see it. The wait is just killing me shamefulcry0js.gif


QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Mar 3 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But I hate to say it, if NH happens, let's face it, it does lead to SS. So it's like a lose-lose situation. But yeah, I'm sorry but that will really damage the series a lot in my opinion. The problem is that the series has been pointing out the romance aspect, so now we know that is part of the story as well as being a factor of it. It's no longer just a battle Shounen. That said NS has been hinted to no ends. When that happens, it's hard to escape from that.

Now look, I could understand that SS could have work because of the premise. Here's the problem: the premise isn't the same as your usual one. First of all, Sasuke has not once have a close friendship or demonstrate strong bond with Sakura. In the other premise, it does. Second, Sasuke don't have a childhood relationship with Sakura to make it valid and make you feel sympathy with Sakura that her childhood friend turned evil. The actual premise does have that. Third, Sasuke must show at least three times that he does still feel close with Sakura but he is too dark, so therefore, his mind is on the wrong track; unfortunately, it's not there as well. He has shown no remorse or any care for her. Guess who though? Naruto. Yeah, wrong guy? Fourth, the character must have one person to focus on love, let alone only have one guy to speak to; therefore, she has only one direction. Sakura has two directions: Naruto and Sasuke. Therefore, she has more paths to choose and it's not given that he will be with that one person if she has another to choose. Lastly, Sakura is not THE main character, it's Naruto, who is in love with Sakura. Sakura's character is about learning the reality and correct the mistake.

It's been a while ranting on SS but I can go on longer. For now, I'll just stop there.

I can't agree more. SasuSaku lacks the proper foundation that makes other pairings of the same style feasible. If Sasuke at this point were to suddenly feel some sort of longing for his never-existent connection with Sakura (outside of their Team 7 bond), it would be way out of character for him. Worse, if SasuSaku were to happen, it would destroy so much of Sakura's character development that she might as well have remained the fangirl that she was back in Part 1. It's just so...ugh...if I keep going on I know I'd probably end up ranting irrationally about my hate for SS too.

Edited by Baguette, 04 March 2013 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE (Baguette @ Mar 4 2013, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't agree more. SasuSaku lacks the proper foundation that makes other pairings of the same style feasible. If Sasuke at this point were to suddenly feel some sort of longing for his never-existent connection with Sakura (outside of their Team 7 bond), it would be way out of character for him. Worse, if SasuSaku were to happen, it would destroy so much of Sakura's character development that she might as well have remained the fangirl that she was back in Part 1. It's just so...ugh...if I keep going on I know I'd probably end up ranting irrationally about my hate for SS too.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:52 AM

We need to see how the Shinobi war arc ends, but probably we won't see anything more substantial for NS than before. I think Kishi sometimes throws some NH fan service to keep things interesting

As for NH, it won't evolve and remain pretty much one sided mainly because of Naruto's ambition to get back Sasuke. For Naruto, only his friends well being come before trying to get Sasuke back. It would be sweet thou to turn Hinata down because he still hopes he has a change with Sakura.

Heh according to the way the story unfolds maybe Naruto stating that he wants to be with Sakura no matter what would pretty much confirm the pairing because he never quits. laugh.gif

As for SS, according to their actions it is pretty much dead. Both tried to kill eachother, and as for Sakura I think she shares Naruto's desire to reunite Team 7. Nothing more

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:16 AM

You know what we could do to make everyone feel awkward? Get ready to facepalm as we take a stroll through history.


Remember this chapter from a couple weeks ago? It's funny to see how things went into absolute chaos for an entire week.

I guarantee you, Kishimoto was doing that on purpose.


EDIT: link was broken

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 4 2013, 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what we could do to make everyone feel awkward? Get ready to facepalm as we take a stroll through history.


Remember this chapter from a couple weeks ago? It's funny to see how things went into absolute chaos for an entire week.

I guarantee you, Kishimoto was doing that on purpose.


EDIT: link was broken


Three weeks actually.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Mar 4 2013, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what we could do to make everyone feel awkward? Get ready to facepalm as we take a stroll through history.


Remember this chapter from a couple weeks ago? It's funny to see how things went into absolute chaos for an entire week.

I guarantee you, Kishimoto was doing that on purpose.


EDIT: link was broken


indeed, that was the last chapter before the break since the WSJ went in break for 2 weeks after due to new year's day... I agree with you. Kishimoto did it purposely...

3 weeks of chaos for us... All this for a simple chakra delivery in according to shikaku's plan laugh.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 4 2013, 11:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
indeed, that was the last chapter before the break since the WSJ went in break for 2 weeks after due to new year's day... I agree with you. Kishimoto did it purposely...

3 weeks of chaos for us... All this for a simple chakra delivery in according to shikaku's plan laugh.gif


i was never a part of the original 615 discussion but this statement wins:

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I GIVE UP! THEY WIN! THEY WIN!


Anyway no matter what they trow at us i will still be in the green zone even if NH/SS becomes canon. Its still the green zone for me because even if Naruto and Hinata get married there is a strong possibility that he would cheat on her with Sakura because he would need someone to actually talk to him.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Mar 4 2013, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was never a part of the original 615 discussion but this statement wins:



Anyway no matter what they trow at us i will still be in the green zone even if NH/SS becomes canon. Its still the green zone for me because even if Naruto and Hinata get married there is a strong possibility that he would cheat on her with Sakura because he would need someone to actually talk to him.

.... This isn't a fanfiction....

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Mar 4 2013, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.... This isn't a fanfiction....


I know tongue.gif

But we have seen that NH/SS fans dont exactly need reason to ship their pairings. So if they do end up winning black and white without any logical doubt, il just make some kitten up and claim the marriage was a platonic moment. That will be my little insignificant way of payback.

But it wont come to that because NS will become cannon and we are gonna love it.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=sSonkKaRIj4

start from 7:14

I'm wrong here or they made Naruto a little cynical ? lol He considered her as girlfriend a joke

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Mar 4 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.youtube.c...p;v=sSonkKaRIj4

start from 7:14

I'm wrong here or they made Naruto a little cynical ? lol He considered her as girlfriend a joke

Friendzoned. It's funny but at the same time you kinda feel a little sad for Hinata. laugh.gif

Naruto even says near the end of the mission that he always feels like he needs to look after her somehow. This is ironically funny because for all the times people claimed that Naruto and Sakura act like brother and sister, it seems that Hinata is the one Naruto views like a little sister. That phrase about looking after her made it pretty clear.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

^^ Im really sorry for changing the topic you started. But i wanted to share my thaughts on something.

I see a lot of people (mostly NH/SS) using the harry potter argument. But when you really think about it the Harry Potter situation works great in favour of NS.

Its only a matter of missreading the parallel.

Harry is not Naruto Harry = Sasuke
Hermione = Sakura
Ron= Naruto
Ginny (don know how to spell it)= Hinata

Both Harry and Sasuke lost their parents due to a horrible murder, and were extremly popular and well taken care of, plus they showed no obvius affection towards anyone. Naruto and Ron were both the underdogs and had to work to prove themselves. They also showed affection towards Sakura/Hermione. If we take Ginny as Hinata she obviusly couldnt be paired with Ron because they are related. But the point is that Ron/Naruto did end up with the girl he loved Hermione/(NaruSaku is yet to be officially confirmed). So whenever someone uses the Harry Potter argument we can just as easily make it work for NS. Regardless that its a stupid argument to amke in the first place since the situations are completly unrelated.

SIDE NOTE:

Kishi stated that he knew how he would end the manga. Interesting enough Sasuke didnt exist in the original Naruto and Hinata was even less important. So the only logical pairing he could have in mind then was NS. But since Sasuke changed the story so dramaticly I supose thats not really a good argumet to make.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Mar 4 2013, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was never a part of the original 615 discussion but this statement wins:



Anyway no matter what they trow at us i will still be in the green zone even if NH/SS becomes canon. Its still the green zone for me because even if Naruto and Hinata get married there is a strong possibility that he would cheat on her with Sakura because he would need someone to actually talk to him.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:00 PM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Mar 4 2013, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Dont give me that. It was a joke. A lame joke but still a joke.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Naruto is not the kind of guy to cheat on anyone, no matter who it is. :/ I hate stories like that. If he gets with Hinata, he gets with Hinata. Even if he still had feelings for Sakura, he would keep them forever to himself.

No joking about that allowed. tongue.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Mar 4 2013, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^ Im really sorry for changing the topic you started. But i wanted to share my thaughts on something.

I see a lot of people (mostly NH/SS) using the harry potter argument. But when you really think about it the Harry Potter situation works great in favour of NS.

Its only a matter of missreading the parallel.

Harry is not Naruto Harry = Sasuke
Hermione = Sakura
Ron= Naruto
Ginny (don know how to spell it)= Hinata

Both Harry and Sasuke lost their parents due to a horrible murder, and were extremly popular and well taken care of, plus they showed no obvius affection towards anyone. Naruto and Ron were both the underdogs and had to work to prove themselves. They also showed affection towards Sakura/Hermione. If we take Ginny as Hinata she obviusly couldnt be paired with Ron because they are related. But the point is that Ron/Naruto did end up with the girl he loved Hermione/(NaruSaku is yet to be officially confirmed). So whenever someone uses the Harry Potter argument we can just as easily make it work for NS. Regardless that its a stupid argument to amke in the first place since the situations are completly unrelated.


SIDE NOTE:

Kishi stated that he knew how he would end the manga. Interesting enough Sasuke didnt exist in the original Naruto and Hinata was even less important. So the only logical pairing he could have in mind then was NS. But since Sasuke changed the story so dramaticly I supose thats not really a good argumet to make.

Does not make any sense.

Hermione = Sakura wtf;
Harry = Sasuke wtf.
Ginny = Hinata wtf.
Ron = Naruto what the ... is this?

You changed the story completely.
You cant easy make it work for NS since you completely changed the story.
Harry potter has nothing to do with Naruto no matter if they use it for NH or NS.


Also harry potter is a woman.


Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 March 2013 - 01:56 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Mar 4 2013, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also harry potter is a woman.



HAHAHA nice pic laugh.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Mar 4 2013, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Friendzoned. It's funny but at the same time you kinda feel a little sad for Hinata. laugh.gif

Naruto even says near the end of the mission that he always feels like he needs to look after her somehow. This is ironically funny because for all the times people claimed that Naruto and Sakura act like brother and sister, it seems that Hinata is the one Naruto views like a little sister. That phrase about looking after her made it pretty clear.


Even though it's just a game, that statement from Naruto makes a lot of sense. His interactions with Hinata mirror more of a "big brother/little sister" relationship than that of a lover. That's why I never understood why NH fans ship it, when it's always leaning to a more familial feeling on his side. As for claiming NaruSaku is just bro/sis, that is denial beyond imagination. There is nothing sibiling-like between those two.

If Naruto didn't know her feelings or just being unintentionally blunt, can't you just picture a "You're like a sister to me, Hinata!"? And meanwhile the NaruHina fandom cries tears of rage/pain back at their fanbase. tongue.gif

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:34 PM

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HAHAHA nice pic laugh.gif


Oh my.
That's just disturbing.
And very weird.

Okay anyway, i have been thinking about this for the past few days: Do you guys think Kishi will have something special in stored for us on Sakura's birthday? Since he did it with Hinata, maybe there will be a big narusaku or sakura moment on her birthday?
I really want kishi to do something but i might be getting my hopes up....

I wonder how long this mini sasuke arc will last (it's quite interesting, dont get me wrong. but i really want to see what's happening on Naruto's side)

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Saudade @ Mar 4 2013, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my.
That's just disturbing.
And very weird.

Okay anyway, i have been thinking about this for the past few days: Do you guys think Kishi will have something special in stored for us on Sakura's birthday? Since he did it with Hinata, maybe there will be a big narusaku or sakura moment on her birthday?
I really want kishi to do something but i might be getting my hopes up....

I wonder how long this mini sasuke arc will last (it's quite interesting, dont get me wrong. but i really want to see what's happening on Naruto's side)


I meant it was funny.... not that way..... geez dry.gif

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