75 replies to this topic

[Sarahmint]

Sasuke should use his death via rinne tensei (outer path) to revive the Uchiha who were killed by Itachi, and Itachi.  That would not only be a fitting death, but would be a fairy tale ending for him as he could finally protect the ones, the only ones, who he loved.

[ns.Believe.It]

Yes, Sasuke should have died-- way back in Land of Waves. Shame on you Haku, you could have done everyone a favor.   

[Aizen-Sama]

Sasuke should've got the lethal injection.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Sasuke should've got the lethal injection.

 

Or at least, if I felt he should have died, sacrificing himself to stop Kaguya.

[BlackBird19]

Sasuke is the worst part of this manga. Kishi's obsession with him was transferred to the other characters and became those characters' greatest weakness. An obstacle that they could never get over. That's why he should've died. All the TNJ was seemingly developed for the sole purpose of redeeming Sasuke at the end of the manga, and that's what bugs me so much.

 

That I wanted to read a story about a title character who came from nothing and worked hard to achieve all the things that he was told he would never have.

 

Instead, I got a half-a**ed redemption story about some no personality, piece of crap named Sasuke and his stupid overhyped family.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Sasuke is the worst part of this manga. Kishi's obsession with him was transferred to the other characters and became those characters' greatest weakness. An obstacle that they could never get over. That's why he should've died. All the TNJ was seemingly developed for the sole purpose of redeeming Sasuke at the end of the manga, and that's what bugs me so much.

 

That I wanted to read a story about a title character who came from nothing and worked hard to achieve all the things that he was told he would never have.

 

Instead, I got a half-a**ed redemption story about some no personality, piece of crap named Sasuke and his stupid overhyped family.

And when you look at how the story ended up, the only thing Naruto actually got in the end was the Hokage title, and even then, he only initially wanted it because he saw it as the ultimate form of acknowledgment, but he already achieved that when he defeated Pein, and then it became all about "peace" and "change", which while one may have happened, the other clearly didn't.

If he's "too busy" to spend training time with his own son, then surely he is also "too busy" to spend any time with his (former) friends, so the whole "friends" thing is stretched thin now. As brought up here and other places, Sasuke still left and is gone from Konoha so Team Seven is not back together again or anything, and obviously, he didn't get the girl he was actually in love with.

So in the end, he only really gained half a thing, but seemed to have lost/never achieved most of his other things.

Edited by HalfDemonInuyasha, 12 May 2015 - 01:49 AM.

[griff142]

Yeah he should have died because with all the reasons already said but also he was a huge plot device and a ploy hole. Out of all the characters he would get the most random powers that he didn't earn. He got Itachi's eyes then all of a sudden his power level sky rocketed. Sasuke was opposite of Naruto because most of his powers he didn't work for it but since you were born great you will get the strength anyways.

[Nar123]

Yeah he should have died because with all the reasons already said but also he was a huge plot device and a ploy hole. Out of all the characters he would get the most random powers that he didn't earn. He got Itachi's eyes then all of a sudden his power level sky rocketed. Sasuke was opposite of Naruto because most of his powers he didn't work for it but since you were born great you will get the strength anyways.

Since Sasuke was opposite of Naruto I kind of felt it was fitting for him to receive his power ups quite easily

Things went to crap when Naruto also began to power up easily

[rocci]

Since Sasuke was opposite of Naruto I kind of felt it was fitting for him to receive his power ups quite easily

Things went to crap when Naruto also began to power up easily

The sage power up is asspull, but naruto is foreshadowed as kurama jinchuriki.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Since Sasuke was opposite of Naruto I kind of felt it was fitting for him to receive his power ups quite easily

Things went to crap when Naruto also began to power up easily

That's why I feel Naruto started going downhill after Kakuzu/Hidan, at the start of the Pein Arc.

Naruto proclaimed, due to the bridge incident with Kurama's chakra, that he would stop using it and get stronger using his own power and, as a result, he half-completed the Rasenshuriken, a technique he developed to overcome Sasuke. I was looking forward to him eventually overcoming the flaws it had and eventually being able to create it and other Rasengan stuff with one hand and no Kage Bunshin to demonstrate such progress. Instead, he just starts using more powers from other sources, not "his own", and even "mastering" those powers extremely quickly even with few or no Kage Bunshin assistance and even while skipping training early to play hero.

It felt like Kishi suddenly realized just how OP he was making Sasuke (at least compared to Naruto and co., especially if the first Team Seven reunion was any indication, having Naruto seem virtually unchanged from Part 1 aside from being stronger in basics and a slightly bigger Rasengan while Sasuke grew by leaps and bounds) by giving him not just a Mangekyo, but Itachi's Mangekyo abilities as well, and felt he had to quickly make it up by having Naruto be given some new source of power and had him copy Jiraiya in learning Sage Mode (even copying Jiraiya's ideals essentially).

....Then Kishi realized that Naruto now outclassed Sasuke overall by him beating Pein (even if it involved hax, convenient stupidity, and Talk no Jutsu), who was supposedly more powerful than Itachi due to the Rinnegan, so throws more stuff to Sasuke by him suddenly and magically having chakra reserves far, far higher than he ever had even when even previously using the Curse Seal and spamming the Mangekyo and its abilities at the Kage Summit and against Danzo without really tiring (until the very end with the Kages), before turning hypocrite and deciding to take Itachi's eyes for the Eternal Mangekyo because he was a moron who seemed to completely forget everything he learned about going blind from awakening and using it.

....Then Kishi realized again how hax Sasuke was going to become and decides to also make Naruto a hypocrite by having him once again rely on Kurama's chakra, first by stealing it thanks to more seal hax (Naruto was going to lose that tug of war with Kurama were it not for the convenient Kushina appearance and assistance, much like how Minato conveniently appeared to keep Naruto from releasing Kurama from the seal) and then Kurama magically having a 180 in attitude from, again, Talk no Jutsu, despite decades of hatred and distrust of humanity and empowering Naruto even more.

....And Kishi just had NO sense of balance between their powers until the very end, in which he just said, "Screw it", and gave them the same amount of powers by doing the whole "chakra reincarnation" crap with Indra and Ashura and Hagaromo literally just handing both Naruto and Sasuke more power.

And yet, even with that new power, they could barely hold their own just against Madara, and then Kaguya suddenly shows up, someone who is the source of all the power everyone there had, and yet suddenly Naruto and Sasuke don't seem to be having nearly as much trouble against her compared to Madara since all Kaguya really did was just pull Obito-style Kamui teleportations, but not much else. You'd think she'd be able to do essentially anything considering who she was, with all the eyes and everything.

........AND EVEN AFTER ALL THAT, fighting the war, then Obito, then Madara, then Kaguya, one by one, in a row, all in pretty much the same day, Naruto and Sasuke STILL have enough juice to then go at each other? (Sasuke even effortlessly trapping the Biju with NINE Chibaku Tensei). Seriously, WTF, Kishi?

[rocci]

@halfdemoninuyasha
After kakuzu & hidan arc is sasuke vs itachi arc.

Naruto is foreshadow to use Kyubi power, since chunin exam arc.
Naruto is a jinchuriki, he will use its power like garra & killer bee.

[Otaru]

I'm glad he didn't die, because Naruto would have been destroyed over it.

But I don't like his role in Naruto Gaiden...

[Aizen-Sama]

I'm glad he didn't die, because Naruto would have been destroyed over it.
But I don't like his role in Naruto Gaiden...

Naruto's a p*ssy, he can handle Jiraiya and his own mother and father dying but he can't handle the guy who's made his life hell dying. I also despise Naruto's twisted love for Sasuke, yuck.

[Ryriena]

I also never enjoyed that aspect of the character in question, in my fan fiction, I took the idea of a what if Minato and his mother survived that night approach to the story.

In this fiction, I had Naruto live a life of no isolation like Sakura and hated the attention he gets for being the Hokage son.

Although, I hated the fact he was alone for no reason and it made no sense, why the Third, whould deny him the right to know his own parents.

I also have many plot lines, I would have redone in the story myself of course like the exam arc, I wouldn't let Orichimaru let him get his grimy hands on Sasuke. I would make Team Taka, apart of root and have Sasuke become a member of them.

[Nar123]

That's why I feel Naruto started going downhill after Kakuzu/Hidan, at the start of the Pein Arc.

Naruto proclaimed, due to the bridge incident with Kurama's chakra, that he would stop using it and get stronger using his own power and, as a result, he half-completed the Rasenshuriken, a technique he developed to overcome Sasuke. I was looking forward to him eventually overcoming the flaws it had and eventually being able to create it and other Rasengan stuff with one hand and no Kage Bunshin to demonstrate such progress. Instead, he just starts using more powers from other sources, not "his own", and even "mastering" those powers extremely quickly even with few or no Kage Bunshin assistance and even while skipping training early to play hero.

It felt like Kishi suddenly realized just how OP he was making Sasuke (at least compared to Naruto and co., especially if the first Team Seven reunion was any indication, having Naruto seem virtually unchanged from Part 1 aside from being stronger in basics and a slightly bigger Rasengan while Sasuke grew by leaps and bounds) by giving him not just a Mangekyo, but Itachi's Mangekyo abilities as well, and felt he had to quickly make it up by having Naruto be given some new source of power and had him copy Jiraiya in learning Sage Mode (even copying Jiraiya's ideals essentially).

....Then Kishi realized that Naruto now outclassed Sasuke overall by him beating Pein (even if it involved hax, convenient stupidity, and Talk no Jutsu), who was supposedly more powerful than Itachi due to the Rinnegan, so throws more stuff to Sasuke by him suddenly and magically having chakra reserves far, far higher than he ever had even when even previously using the Curse Seal and spamming the Mangekyo and its abilities at the Kage Summit and against Danzo without really tiring (until the very end with the Kages), before turning hypocrite and deciding to take Itachi's eyes for the Eternal Mangekyo because he was a moron who seemed to completely forget everything he learned about going blind from awakening and using it.

....Then Kishi realized again how hax Sasuke was going to become and decides to also make Naruto a hypocrite by having him once again rely on Kurama's chakra, first by stealing it thanks to more seal hax (Naruto was going to lose that tug of war with Kurama were it not for the convenient Kushina appearance and assistance, much like how Minato conveniently appeared to keep Naruto from releasing Kurama from the seal) and then Kurama magically having a 180 in attitude from, again, Talk no Jutsu, despite decades of hatred and distrust of humanity and empowering Naruto even more.

....And Kishi just had NO sense of balance between their powers until the very end, in which he just said, "Screw it", and gave them the same amount of powers by doing the whole "chakra reincarnation" crap with Indra and Ashura and Hagaromo literally just handing both Naruto and Sasuke more power.

And yet, even with that new power, they could barely hold their own just against Madara, and then Kaguya suddenly shows up, someone who is the source of all the power everyone there had, and yet suddenly Naruto and Sasuke don't seem to be having nearly as much trouble against her compared to Madara since all Kaguya really did was just pull Obito-style Kamui teleportations, but not much else. You'd think she'd be able to do essentially anything considering who she was, with all the eyes and everything.

........AND EVEN AFTER ALL THAT, fighting the war, then Obito, then Madara, then Kaguya, one by one, in a row, all in pretty much the same day, Naruto and Sasuke STILL have enough juice to then go at each other? (Sasuke even effortlessly trapping the Biju with NINE Chibaku Tensei). Seriously, WTF, Kishi?

 

I was fine with the sage mode though since even if it was a external source, Naruto had to work to get it

 

I didn't liked the Kurama chakra mode that much but it was always foreshadowed that he would eventually use the bijuu power as his own, what I consider being asspull was the upgrade he received from fully linking with Kurama ( I think it happened too fast / too easily) and of course the sage power stupid asspull

[DextersBro]

Sasuke was really cool at the beginning but he turned really ugly in part 2.  Its sad to say but he probably shouldve died.   He got too evil.

[catsi563]

Sasukes character made sense to me through the land of Iron arc. His sacrifice of Karin the person closest to him aside from Naruto was the crowning moment in his story, that moment when he abandoned and hit the lowest he could go.

 

It was from there that I expected his story to begin the upward arc into redemption as he saw what itachi was fighting for and between Naruto and Karin saw the bonds he was sacrificing to achieve a meaningless vengeance as Kakashi spoke to him about.

 

Sadly that sasuke never materialized and we got an empty shell that just blindly shifted his hate around in a revenge shell game. The bonds hew as supposed to reforge never materialized and instead he spent the remaining part of the story contemplating his navel and missing the entire point of his brothers sacrifice in the process.

[Raiya]

Here's how it should have ended: the only way for Sasuke to fully redeem himself for his past atrocities and abandonment would have been for him to sacrifice himself for Naruto.  THAT is how Sasuke's character could have come full-circle, to acknowledge Naruto as his brother, his better, and as worth saving.  It would have endeared him once again to Konoha, and Naruto would not have failed in his promise to bring the REAL Sasuke back to the village.  A death like that would truly have been memorable.

 

One of the ways it felt like the manga should have ended is for the opposite to happen, for Naruto to have sacrificed himself for Sasuke.  That would have definitely changed Sasuke's feelings about the world and his past behavior, Naruto's death would be the one thing with enough magnitude to truly shake Sasuke to his core.  I could see him stepping up to fix his past mistakes and change him to being the person he was meant to be - I could see Naruto's dying words to Sasuke asking him to look after Konoha, and Sakura, for him.  Either one of those scenarios would have been more fulfilling and emotionally charged than the lackluster, out of character ending we were given.  Naruto's promise would still be fulfilled, and he would have died the loving, selfless boy we always remembered instead of the selfish, terrible parent he turned into.

 

It felt like the boys just shook hands said 'ah well' and all was forgiven.

[Frankie]

 
It felt like the boys just shook hands said 'ah well' and all was forgiven.

But that is what happened though...

[Nar123]

Here's how it should have ended: the only way for Sasuke to fully redeem himself for his past atrocities and abandonment would have been for him to sacrifice himself for Naruto.  THAT is how Sasuke's character could have come full-circle, to acknowledge Naruto as his brother, his better, and as worth saving.  It would have endeared him once again to Konoha, and Naruto would not have failed in his promise to bring the REAL Sasuke back to the village.  A death like that would truly have been memorable.
 
One of the ways it felt like the manga should have ended is for the opposite to happen, for Naruto to have sacrificed himself for Sasuke.  That would have definitely changed Sasuke's feelings about the world and his past behavior, Naruto's death would be the one thing with enough magnitude to truly shake Sasuke to his core.  I could see him stepping up to fix his past mistakes and change him to being the person he was meant to be - I could see Naruto's dying words to Sasuke asking him to look after Konoha, and Sakura, for him.  Either one of those scenarios would have been more fulfilling and emotionally charged than the lackluster, out of character ending we were given.  Naruto's promise would still be fulfilled, and he would have died the loving, selfless boy we always remembered instead of the selfish, terrible parent he turned into.
 
It felt like the boys just shook hands said 'ah well' and all was forgiven.

This would be ground breaking in shonen, it would be a new, creative way to end a story that was already down in the dumps compared to how it was before

Unfortunately Kishi, was/is the author