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[Jake]

Zimmerman had no right to follow Trayvon anyways and to make matters worse

 

Zimmerman followed Trayvon because Trayvon was walking around on people's lawns at night in a neighborhood where there was a rash of burglaries and the fact that it was raining didn't help either, and Zimmerman as a member of the neighborhood watch was supposed to keep an eye out for people acting and doing stuff like walking through people's lawn at night (aka Trespassing) and other suspicious behavior and when someone is acting suspicious someone like Zimmerman had all the right to follow Trayvon as a police officer does.

 

 

the police told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and he still did it .

 

Actually no, the police didn't even show up until after Travon was already dead, it was a 911 operator that told Zimmerman not to follow and when they had told Zimmerman that Trayvon had already gotten away, when Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, Zimmerman was  backtracking to get the name of the street he was on so that the police know where to go.

 

Also police actually prefer it when you can safely follow someone like that because it helps them to identify the person and prevents them for picking up the wrong person.

 

If somebody followed me I would lay these hands to them  too, because it feels like they are threatening me. Zimmerman is guilty he didn't have to shoot and KILL Trayvon . 

 

The you'd be arrested then, it doesn't matter if someone is following you or not, the moment you attack him, you have just committed Assault and Battery (a felony), at the moment Trayvon jumped on Zimmerman, Trayvon had just committed Felony Assault and Battery, and reportedly Trayvon had told Zimmerman that he [Zimmerman] would die that night, at that point Trayvon had upgraded his crime to Assault with intent to Kill, and with both of these crimes it is fully legal to use whatever forces necessary to stop the assailant.

 

Zimmerkitten was a a**hole for following Trayvon in the first place, Zimmerkitten is a grown ass man and Trayvon was a high school student, he had no right to follow him in my opinion .

 

Trayvon was 17 years old at that age you are physically an adult, there have been people younger than Trayvon was who were tried in court as an adult, had the police showed up before Trayvon was shot Trayvon would have most likely been tried as an adult further more at the time of the altercation Trayvon was 5'11" 158lbs., and  Zimmerman was 5'7" 185lbs. there was physically no discernible difference between the two.

[Nate River]

Zimmerman had no right to follow Trayvon anyways and to make matters worse, the police told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon and he still did it . If somebody followed me I would lay these hands to them  too, because it feels like they are threatening me. Zimmerman is guilty he didn't have to shoot and KILL Trayvon .

And you'd probably go to jail for assault for doing so. The standard for most self-defense statue, including deadly force, is "reasonableness" which has a specific legal meaning. It short, it's not what YOU personally would call reasonable. Moreover, in the case of self-defense, what the threat has ended you cannot continue to wail on them. If you do, your claim dies and you are guilty. So....even if Martin had one at the beginning (no evidence he did), it was long gone when had Zimmerman laying on his back, pounding him in the head.

You might look it up as well as the appropriate Assault/Battery statute (whatever you state calls it) before you get yourself arrested for assaulting someone.

Just so you know, it's not illegal to simply follow someone unless it's done in a way that constitutes stalking/harassment (might look that up too). I don't recall the prosecution charging Zimmerman with either, so they must not have thought so.
 

Trayvon was 17 years old at that age you are physically an adult, there have been people younger than Trayvon was who were tried in court as an adult, had the police showed up before Trayvon was shot Trayvon would have most likely been tried as an adult further more at the time of the altercation Trayvon was 5'11" 158lbs., and Zimmerman was 5'7" 185lbs. there was physically no discernible difference between the two

Some of the records (ruled inadmissible) indicate Martin might have been a burglar. And as someone who works in the juvenile, I've met plenty of kids who do some rather horrific stuff. So my response would have is...so what if Martin was 17? I know of a rather well-known case in my area where a 16 year old murdered his father because he wouldn't buy him a car. Pre-meditated too.

Besides, how would Zimmerman have known?

[Superman333]

im a little late but look at Zimmerkitten now . He is proven tk be a violent . Thats why his ass is in jail .

[sushi.]

im a little late but look at Zimmerkitten now . He is proven tk be a violent . Thats why his ass is in jail .

I know. He pointed a gun at his girlfriend and kicked her out of the house. Forgive me if this is twisted around by the media, but I don't see how that's possible here. It's pretty plain simple.

 

Now I still want to defend the US in this case. People all over tumblr(and probably other places too) claim that it was racist to throw him in jail for threatening someone, and not for killing someone. Because his girlfriend was white. But I think the dominant factor here is self-defense, which was apparently the case with Trayvon, and not with his (ex, probably) girl.

 

Both Trayvon and Zimmerman seem like violent types to me.

 

And are you serious..zimmerkitten? wth maturity dude.

Edited by sushi., 25 November 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[Nate River]

im a little late but look at Zimmerkitten now . He is proven tk be a violent . Thats why his ass is in jail .

 

And?

[tricksie]

Seriously. Lay off the "zimmerbitch" language. We don't bash Hinata here, so no bashing of real people either. Clean up the language.

[Nate River]

http://www.tmz.com/2...estic-violence/

 

Take it however you like. I don't care much for TMZ and without knowing who the sources are it's impossible to know if they should be given any credibility. Still, stuff like this is why domestic violence are frequently awful and difficult to win. It's a swearing match in a situation where valuable physical evidence often does not exist and parties have vested interest (beyond the assault itself) in pushing  claims that may not be valid.  I don't believe they every found the shotgun she said he used. I also don't believe he ever left the property so there is a small area where it could be and yet hasn't surfaced either from police discovery or from the victim.

 

I haven't really read it in detail and perhaps further investigation will yield something that can break the swearing match (experience tells me not to count on that, I'm rarely so lucky in the cases I get), but the initial glance of this case suggests that it's going to suck. 

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Given that it's Zimmerman, it'd be real easy to lie and still get everyone to believe her. His ex-wife made the same claim only for no weapons to be found and her later to claim there was no gun despite what she told 911. Of course, that means nothing for this case unless you find something to connect the two.

[Superman333]

 

Zimmerman followed Trayvon because Trayvon was walking around on people's lawns at night in a neighborhood where there was a rash of burglaries and the fact that it was raining didn't help either, and Zimmerman as a member of the neighborhood watch was supposed to keep an eye out for people acting and doing stuff like walking through people's lawn at night (aka Trespassing) and other suspicious behavior and when someone is acting suspicious someone like Zimmerman had all the right to follow Trayvon as a police officer does.

 

 

Actually no, the police didn't even show up until after Travon was already dead, it was a 911 operator that told Zimmerman not to follow and when they had told Zimmerman that Trayvon had already gotten away, when Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, Zimmerman was  backtracking to get the name of the street he was on so that the police know where to go.

 

Also police actually prefer it when you can safely follow someone like that because it helps them to identify the person and prevents them for picking up the wrong person.

 

 

The you'd be arrested then, it doesn't matter if someone is following you or not, the moment you attack him, you have just committed Assault and Battery (a felony), at the moment Trayvon jumped on Zimmerman, Trayvon had just committed Felony Assault and Battery, and reportedly Trayvon had told Zimmerman that he [Zimmerman] would die that night, at that point Trayvon had upgraded his crime to Assault with intent to Kill, and with both of these crimes it is fully legal to use whatever forces necessary to stop the assailant.

 

 

Trayvon was 17 years old at that age you are physically an adult, there have been people younger than Trayvon was who were tried in court as an adult, had the police showed up before Trayvon was shot Trayvon would have most likely been tried as an adult further more at the time of the altercation Trayvon was 5'11" 158lbs., and  Zimmerman was 5'7" 185lbs. there was physically no discernible difference between the two.

 

 

Zimmerman followed Trayvon because Trayvon was walking around on people's lawns at night in a neighborhood where there was a rash of burglaries and the fact that it was raining didn't help either, and Zimmerman as a member of the neighborhood watch was supposed to keep an eye out for people acting and doing stuff like walking through people's lawn at night (aka Trespassing) and other suspicious behavior and when someone is acting suspicious someone like Zimmerman had all the right to follow Trayvon as a police officer does.

 

 

Actually no, the police didn't even show up until after Travon was already dead, it was a 911 operator that told Zimmerman not to follow and when they had told Zimmerman that Trayvon had already gotten away, when Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, Zimmerman was  backtracking to get the name of the street he was on so that the police know where to go.

 

Also police actually prefer it when you can safely follow someone like that because it helps them to identify the person and prevents them for picking up the wrong person.

 

 

The you'd be arrested then, it doesn't matter if someone is following you or not, the moment you attack him, you have just committed Assault and Battery (a felony), at the moment Trayvon jumped on Zimmerman, Trayvon had just committed Felony Assault and Battery, and reportedly Trayvon had told Zimmerman that he [Zimmerman] would die that night, at that point Trayvon had upgraded his crime to Assault with intent to Kill, and with both of these crimes it is fully legal to use whatever forces necessary to stop the assailant.

 

 

Trayvon was 17 years old at that age you are physically an adult, there have been people younger than Trayvon was who were tried in court as an adult, had the police showed up before Trayvon was shot Trayvon would have most likely been tried as an adult further more at the time of the altercation Trayvon was 5'11" 158lbs., and  Zimmerman was 5'7" 185lbs. there was physically no discernible difference between the two.

seriously did you rehearse all of this in a mirror? Zimmerman took a life, he killed him no matter the situation, Zimmerman killed him thats more worse than anything.  A holster without the gun in it? give me a break. Zimmerman is not a police officer he should be following Trayvon around, he was basically trying to take matters into his own hands. Who knows if Zimmerman probably threatened Trayvon with the gun. Zimmerman can rap all he wants but the fact of the matter is he took a innocent kids life, who he wasn't even sure was commiting any burglaries, it really amazes me how actually think he is innocent. But hey, we will never get to hear the true story.  But honestly I wish Trayvon woulda smashed Zimmerman's head in the damn concrete.

[Jake]

seriously did you rehearse all of this in a mirror?

 

No.

 

Zimmerman took a life, he killed him no matter the situation, Zimmerman killed him thats more worse than anything. 

 

There is such a thing as Justifiable use of deadly force.

 

A holster without the gun in it?

 

I didn't say anything about a Holster but now that you mention it Trayvon's fingerprints were found on Zimmerman's holster, meaning Trayvon was trying to get the weapon meaning that it was in Zimmerman's Holster during the altercation.

 

give me a break. Zimmerman is not a police officer he should be following Trayvon around, he was basically trying to take matters into his own hands.

 

The only difference between a Police officer and an ordinary Citizen is that a Police officer can arrest someone for a misdemeanor, in fact the law stats that if you witness someone commit a felony you are required to preform a Citizen's Arrest.

 

Who knows if Zimmerman probably threatened Trayvon with the gun.

 

How the firearm was in his holster and through the vast majority of the altercation Zimmerman was on the phone with 911.

 

Zimmerman can rap all he wants but the fact of the matter is he took a innocent kids life, who he wasn't even sure was commiting any burglaries, it really amazes me how actually think he is innocent.

 

No Zimmerman took the life of someone who had just committed Felony Assault and Battery, possibly Assault with intent to Kill.

 

But hey, we will never get to hear the true story.  But honestly I wish Trayvon woulda smashed Zimmerman's head in the damn concrete.

 

Where do you think the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head came from?

[Nate River]

im a little late but look at Zimmerkitten now . He is proven tk be a violent . Thats why his ass is in jail .

That case is now toast.

http://www.orlandose...0,6786314.story

So, she recanted the story and says she does not want to pursue.

http://abcnews.go.co...merman-21184402

Now, it's gone.

None of this is a surprise. It happens all the time with these type cases.