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[TouKen4Life3g]

No it will not stop him, instead it will become triple kill with obirin parallel, ultrakill with naruto confenssion, and a rampage with NS canon.

I know, but all in one arc? That's just extermination. But yeah, let's see how it goes. NS canon will just come down to few words: Game Over; Victory!

[kidNinja]

Kishi ain't playin' around. I recall he even said he doesn't have a good temper and if you piss the authr off, especially with character bashing and hate ail, chances are that doesn't bode well for your character's future. For all we know, he had something really badass stored for Hinata but scrapped it after that all happened and decided to just screw with NH and give them hope, only to yank the rug from underneath their feet. (As we have saw in recent manga chapters and in RTN)

[Inferno180]

That would be the biggest irony, you hate so much its insane, the author axes your hopes in his manga. Some authors have done stuff like that before.

 

Heck I bet there are times that not only kishi, but the authors of any series, reading fan responses, at times they may just say to themselves, "where do people even come up with these things?"

 

I mean the unpredicented hate for Sakura, now its reached an entirely high level just because of Minato, and now there are people saying Minato does not matter.

 

631 was in a few ways a big slap to haters, Sakura is like Kushina, Sakura is not fangirling or only focused on Sasuke (rather she was catious and confused rather than just run back cause well, since the land of iron she was obviously careful), and she is not useless, she has power. It literally is as kishi said, she always had the potenial of a heroine but now has the ability to show it.

 

Sakura is the heroine, plain and simple, not Hinata. Maybe in a few ways, the NH crowd could have made NS canon, :ohboy:

Edited by Inferno180, 26 May 2013 - 02:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's crazy. Hm, didn't think about that. That would be ironic but you mess with the work, you'll pay the price. I don't know, Hinata did have a low stat, didn't she? Her character should be just a weak person can still stand up strong, which we gotten here, so that's enough.

[sushi.]

NH fans bash Naruto because they still think 615 is romantic. I do not, this chapter proved it, because if Naruto just consciously had a romantic moment with Hinata, he would've never been unfaithful or joked about it.

 

That, and that they can't see what Naruto sees in Sakura.

[六道仙人]

No matter what will happen, NaruSaku will always be bashed and whoever gives NS clues. In fact Minato has lost a lot of fans after 631.

Edited by 六道仙人, 26 May 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[HauntedCake]

No matter what will happen, NaruSaku will always be bashed and whoever gives NS clues. In fact Minato has lost a lot of fans after 631.

Seems kishi is fed up with people hating his heroine..

 

If people hate characters he has defend his herione then i think he will get even more outraged with them..

[TouKen4Life3g]

No matter what will happen, NaruSaku will always be bashed and whoever gives NS clues. In fact Minato has lost a lot of fans after 631.

Minato fans or in general? I hate the fact Kushina is now "damaged" for being paralleled to Sakura. Really...

[六道仙人]

Seems kishi is fed up with people hating his heroine..

 

If people hate characters he has defend his herione then i think he will get even more outraged with them..

 

I don't think that Sakura is so hatred in japan as much around the world. Occidental fandoms will always hate Sakura. Only 3 fandoms don't hate her:

-Narusaku fans

-Sakura fans

-SasuSaku fans

 

@NaruSaku4Life3g

 

I'm referring to NH/SS fans who used to be Minato fans too...

Edited by 六道仙人, 26 May 2013 - 03:05 PM.

[sushi.]

Seems kishi is fed up with people hating his heroine..

 

If people hate characters he has defend his herione then i think he will get even more outraged with them..

It actually makes me kinda happy that she has haters. It's like "in your face" for badmouthing her, from Kishi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I don't think that Sakura is so hatred in japan as much around the world. Occidental fandoms will always hate Sakura. Only 3 fandoms don't hate her:
-Narusaku fans
-Sakura fans
-SasuSaku fans
 
@NaruSaku4Life3g
 
I'm referring to NH/SS fans who used to be Minato fans too...

Oh really. Sigh. I bet Kuruma will be next in line then. Hell, maybe even Sasuke will be next. I supposed Kiba got fans after that line. Seriously, characters should get fans because of their character, not one thing. Whatever...

[Jake]

Remember that interview where some NH fan said something about Hinata being the heroine, and Kishi answered that Sakura is the heroine, not Hinata. Plus I heard that Kishi has been receiving a lot of hate and Sakura-bashing fan-letters. To me all the latest events look like a huge slap in the face for those haters...

BTW, great post as always, Inferno!

 

Kishi ain't playin' around. I recall he even said he doesn't have a good temper and if you piss the authr off, especially with character bashing and hate ail, chances are that doesn't bode well for your character's future. For all we know, he had something really badass stored for Hinata but scrapped it after that all happened and decided to just screw with NH and give them hope, only to yank the rug from underneath their feet. (As we have saw in recent manga chapters and in RTN)

 

Maybe Kishi took a move out of Kubo's playbook on how to deal with haters. Kubo said that the more hate mail he gets about Orihime the more scenes he gives her.

[Nefertieh]

Well since the 631 stuff came, it caused quite a ruckus among those who are against NS or just Sakura. All I can say though is something interesting caught my eye, it was not the reponses, rather its how some of the arguements among the anti-ns crowd are actually able to be counter argued or contradict the arguements of others within the same fanbase. I've always looked for reasons towards why some people advocate certain stuff for their pairings, and yes it has ranged from believeable to outright insane, but compared to 615, there was a lot of rational explaination on both sides, there were some logical explainations on the NH side that did make some sense but still some of those fans admitted that some other stuff had to be addressed such as Naruto's feelings for Sakura or Hinata, showing if he even stopped loving her.

 
I just want to point out two things:
 
1. Naruto is one of the biggest anime fandoms on the internet. You will always come across an illogical/ desperate/ "bad" argument once in a while, and;
 
2. Because we're looking at things from the narusaku fandom's perspective, we see a lot of mockery towards the illogical/ desperate/ "bad" arguments, and not so much of the loggical/ "good" arguments.
 
 

Now just a few weeks ago, some theories like Sakura getting a power up or Minato meeting her would have seemed like an insane dream, other fandoms would laugh at us cause well, to the majority of the fandom, its okay for our pairing to be treated like crap. Rather than look into stuff or reasons for Sakura's, role, its easier to just bash her for every little thing. Hinata and her fanbase are perfect, nothing can ever prove them wrong. Everything they ever said was right.

 
Actually, I didn't expect Minato to compare Sakura to Kushina, and I know there are several other narusaku fans who were also surprised. Hinata did get a lot of screentime in this arc, so I guess people thought she'd keep her spotlight until the end of the arc.
 

Now this is what I mean, pre-631 everyone in both camps when it came to Kushina said, ohh she must mean Hinata, or funny how all this stuff will happen. What did Kushina say on the night she died with Minato? She told Naruto to find a dream, save his money, be careful of Jiriaya, get lots of sleep, take baths, eat his veggies, get friends (a few), follow the shinobi vices, and finally yes, Find a girl like Kushina. So what happened? He got a dream, to be hokage, he saves his money, he was careful and had to put up with Jiriaya, gets too much sleep, enjoys baths, promised to start eating veggies, made many friends, and followed the shinobi vices. Everything check and accounted for. Wait, save the girl like Kushina, well Minato said "She is similar to Kushina." Kushina could only have used like in the term similarity. What words relate to similarity? Familier and Resemblance. All these terms relate to the context in which Minato used in many manga sites for this translation. He thought Sakura was like Kushina.

Well chapter 631 just put final the nail into the coffin.
 

I can tell you something you may want to for once, consider from the "terribble and worthless NS fanbase" our ship was hit 3 times, we dealt with it. Its still alive no matter what you believe, its not by just what the manga shows, its how your own arguements can be easily countered or contradict others. An arguement can answer or counter another arguement, and you guys are doing that plenty. So as a NS fan i offer this advice, perhaps many of you are expecting too much, setting expectations so high that you hope they come but they don't. We had a few hopes for Sakura these past few years, look what happens, bam bam bam, chapters 469, 540, and 615. Yet they all turned out fine and ours is still here. Just weeks ago, stuff like what we predicted with Sakura would be laughed at and just insulted everywhere but now look, its there. Minato made a parallel link to Sakura and Kushina, Sakura got a powerup. Its now the time to fight the ten tails, its team 7's time. This means the main cast, Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Kakashi. Not team 7 plus Hinata, she had her time. Maybe until haters keep their expectations within realistic proportions, then perhaps things will sound more reaosnable, but as of right now, the anti-ns crowd, these arguements are full of so many holes, its just at this point, who can we even listen to when NS haters are contradicting other NS haters?

 
I've seen different people in different fandoms/ hatedoms contradicting each other all the time. Just a few weeks ago, some people in the chapter 629 thread were mocking Sakura, for their prediction that she would fall into a fangirl mess once she saw Sasuke again. Yes, that happened in our own fandom.
 
At this point I just want to be happy for narusaku and ignore the anti. Our fandom is all about our love for our OTP, not what the haters think.

Edited by Nefertieh, 26 May 2013 - 04:52 PM.

[Slextrem]

I always thought it would be interesting if Hinata encouraged Naruto to go after Sakura, which is something I could actually see happening in the series. Personally, I see that as positive development for Hinata, but I'm sure some fans would think otherwise. I wonder who would they direct their hate at in that scenario? Hinata for suggesting it? Naruto for listening? Sakura for not participating in the conversation at all? 

[Nefertieh]

I always thought it would be interesting if Hinata encouraged Naruto to go after Sakura, which is something I could actually see happening in the series. Personally, I see that as positive development for Hinata, but I'm sure some fans would think otherwise. I wonder who would they direct their hate at in that scenario? Hinata for suggesting it? Naruto for listening? Sakura for not participating in the conversation at all?

That would be really twisting the knife, no? I'm guessing Sakura will get the blame, as usual.

[KnS]

I've seen different people in different fandoms/ hatedoms contradicting each other all the time. Just a few weeks ago, some people in the chapter 629 thread were mocking Sakura, for their prediction that she would fall into a fangirl mess once she saw Sasuke again. Yes, that happened in our own fandom.
 
At this point I just want to be happy for narusaku and ignore the anti. Our fandom is all about our love for our OTP, not what the haters think.

 

I know.  *sigh*  In all honesty, there is a lot of hysteria, negativity, and misinterpretation within the NS sector of the fandom as well.  No matter how well things go, no matter what great things happen, no matter how much obvious and logical evidence there is to suggest a certain conclusion, there's this desire -- or need -- to mock it, downplay it, or otherwise doubt its authenticity.

Of course, the whole fandom does this to itself, constantly feeding off the fear and misinformation.  For example:

+ Kishimoto is a troll (an incredibly overused term that's seldom used correctly).
+ Kishimoto is changing his plot or pairings based on the whims of certain fanbases or the content of his fan mail.
+ Kishimoto's editor(s) dictate the direction of the story based on sales.
+ Kishimoto is a troll so we can't trust him.
+ Character X is more popular in bogus fan polls and Kishimoto totes reads those.
+ Kishimoto said this, that, and the other in an unreliably translated interview, but it's totes for reals.
+ XYZ happened in another manga so Kishimoto is probably going to... (fill in the blank).
+ XYZ fandom says 123 fandom is dead because... (fill in the blank).
+ #kishitroll.

It's a giant, twisted feedback loop of unreliable gossip and swirling conspiracy theories.  The fact that most of us can't read Japanese doesn't help, since we are at the mercy of translators who are, whether they mean to be or not, biased.  But the truth always comes out eventually.

And really, it's not that complicated.  There's nothing to fear, and I confess I am continually amazed that so many fans fall into the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom instead of trusting what they see with their own eyes.  

Despite everything that happened in #631, I continue to see readers leaving room for NH to still happen and I simply can't understand it.  NH never actually existed because it was only ever H.  There was no N.  Ever.  Not once did Naruto return Hinata's feelings, nor did Kishimoto in any way give any indication that Naruto thought of her as more than a friend.  Meanwhile, all evidence has pointed to Naruto's love for Sakura.  All of it.

So after #631, which not only reconfirms Naruto's feelings for Sakura but also includes the confirmation that Naruto's choice fulfills his mother's dying wish, why are NS fans still leaving room for NH?

Because of the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom.  That's why some folks here wish others would stop dragging the nonsense from other fandoms here.  It just perpetuates the cycle of fear and misinformation.  Questioning things and having an open mind is definitely a good thing, but that's not the same thing as suspending logic (or reality) because other fandoms want to tear you down.

*sigh*

Kishimoto's story is like one of those 3D posters.  If you stop staring at the details, and stop listening to people who try to tell you what to look for -- and you just relax your focus -- you can see the real picture. 

 

Just my opinion.

Edited by KnS, 26 May 2013 - 06:28 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I know.  *sigh*  In all honestly, there is a lot of hysteria, negativity, and misinterpretation within the NS sector of the fandom as well.  No matter how well things go, no matter what great things happen, no matter how much obvious and logical evidence there is to suggest a certain conclusion, there's this desire -- or need -- to mock it, downplay it, or otherwise doubt its authenticity.

Of course, the whole fandom does this to itself, constantly feeding off the fear and misinformation.  For example:

+ Kishimoto is a troll (an incredibly overused term that's seldom used correctly).
+ Kishimoto is changing his plot or pairings based on the whims of certain fanbases or the content of his fan mail.
+ Kishimoto's editor(s) dictate the direction of the story based on sales.
+ Kishimoto is a troll so we can't trust him.
+ Character X is more popular in bogus fan polls and Kishimoto totes reads those.
+ Kishimoto said this, that, and the other in an unreliably translated interview, but it's totes for reals.
+ XYZ happened in another manga so Kishimoto is probably going to... (fill in the blank).
+ XYZ fandom says 123 fandom is dead because... (fill in the blank).
+ #kikittenroll.

It's a giant, twisted feedback loop of unreliable gossip and swirling conspiracy theories.  The fact that most of us can't read Japanese doesn't help, since we are at the mercy of translators who are, whether they mean to be or not, biased.  But the truth always comes out eventually.

And really, it's not that complicated.  There's nothing to fear, and I confess I am continually amazed that so many fans fall into the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom instead of trusting what they see with their own eyes.  

Despite everything that happened in #631, I continue to see readers leaving room for NH to still happen and I simply can't understand it.  NH never actually existed because it was only ever H.  There was no N.  Ever.  Not once did Naruto return Hinata's feelings, nor did Kishimoto in any way give any indication that Naruto thought of her as more than a friend.  Meanwhile, all evidence has pointed to Naruto's love for Sakura.  All of it.

So after #631, which not only reconfirms Naruto's feelings for Sakura but also includes the confirmation that Naruto's choice fulfills his mother's dying wish, why are NS fans still leaving room for NH?

Because of the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom.  That's why some folks here wish others would stop dragging the nonsense from other fandoms here.  It just perpetuates the cycle of fear and misinformation.  Questioning things and having an open mind is definitely a good thing, but that's not the same thing as suspending logic (or reality) because other fandoms want to tear you down.

*sigh*

Kishimoto's story is like one of those 3D posters.  If you stop staring at the details, and stop listening to people who try to tell you what to look for -- and you just relax your focus -- you can see the real picture. 
 
Just my opinion.

Well said opinion if I may add.

Do you guys think if they reread the manga, they will think more differently or it's just the way it is? I don't expect them to love NS but I do expect them to acknowledge its existence.

[PhenixElite]

 

I know.  *sigh*  In all honestly, there is a lot of hysteria, negativity, and misinterpretation within the NS sector of the fandom as well.  No matter how well things go, no matter what great things happen, no matter how much obvious and logical evidence there is to suggest a certain conclusion, there's this desire -- or need -- to mock it, downplay it, or otherwise doubt its authenticity.

Of course, the whole fandom does this to itself, constantly feeding off the fear and misinformation.  For example:

+ Kishimoto is a troll (an incredibly overused term that's seldom used correctly).
+ Kishimoto is changing his plot or pairings based on the whims of certain fanbases or the content of his fan mail.
+ Kishimoto's editor(s) dictate the direction of the story based on sales.
+ Kishimoto is a troll so we can't trust him.
+ Character X is more popular in bogus fan polls and Kishimoto totes reads those.
+ Kishimoto said this, that, and the other in an unreliably translated interview, but it's totes for reals.
+ XYZ happened in another manga so Kishimoto is probably going to... (fill in the blank).
+ XYZ fandom says 123 fandom is dead because... (fill in the blank).
+ #kikittenroll.

It's a giant, twisted feedback loop of unreliable gossip and swirling conspiracy theories.  The fact that most of us can't read Japanese doesn't help, since we are at the mercy of translators who are, whether they mean to be or not, biased.  But the truth always comes out eventually.

And really, it's not that complicated.  There's nothing to fear, and I confess I am continually amazed that so many fans fall into the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom instead of trusting what they see with their own eyes.  

Despite everything that happened in #631, I continue to see readers leaving room for NH to still happen and I simply can't understand it.  NH never actually existed because it was only ever H.  There was no N.  Ever.  Not once did Naruto return Hinata's feelings, nor did Kishimoto in any way give any indication that Naruto thought of her as more than a friend.  Meanwhile, all evidence has pointed to Naruto's love for Sakura.  All of it.

So after #631, which not only reconfirms Naruto's feelings for Sakura but also includes the confirmation that Naruto's choice fulfills his mother's dying wish, why are NS fans still leaving room for NH?

Because of the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom.  That's why some folks here wish others would stop dragging the nonsense from other fandoms here.  It just perpetuates the cycle of fear and misinformation.  Questioning things and having an open mind is definitely a good thing, but that's not the same thing as suspending logic (or reality) because other fandoms want to tear you down.

*sigh*

Kishimoto's story is like one of those 3D posters.  If you stop staring at the details, and stop listening to people who try to tell you what to look for -- and you just relax your focus -- you can see the real picture. 

 

Just my opinion.

I agree, but i personally dont understand why people leave that much room for SS. I mean honestly, what does it do for the story? It has nothing good in it would just dismiss character development.

And now if we generally look back how the story went, i think it even more impossible to see SS coming. 

I just dont see any reason for kishi to make SS canon. I really would love to hear what makes people believe to think that kishi could make SS the end deal, especiall now after NH is dead.

[StriderC]

 

I know.  *sigh*  In all honestly, there is a lot of hysteria, negativity, and misinterpretation within the NS sector of the fandom as well.  No matter how well things go, no matter what great things happen, no matter how much obvious and logical evidence there is to suggest a certain conclusion, there's this desire -- or need -- to mock it, downplay it, or otherwise doubt its authenticity.

Of course, the whole fandom does this to itself, constantly feeding off the fear and misinformation.  For example:

+ Kishimoto is a troll (an incredibly overused term that's seldom used correctly).
+ Kishimoto is changing his plot or pairings based on the whims of certain fanbases or the content of his fan mail.
+ Kishimoto's editor(s) dictate the direction of the story based on sales.
+ Kishimoto is a troll so we can't trust him.
+ Character X is more popular in bogus fan polls and Kishimoto totes reads those.
+ Kishimoto said this, that, and the other in an unreliably translated interview, but it's totes for reals.
+ XYZ happened in another manga so Kishimoto is probably going to... (fill in the blank).
+ XYZ fandom says 123 fandom is dead because... (fill in the blank).
+ #kikittenroll.

It's a giant, twisted feedback loop of unreliable gossip and swirling conspiracy theories.  The fact that most of us can't read Japanese doesn't help, since we are at the mercy of translators who are, whether they mean to be or not, biased.  But the truth always comes out eventually.

And really, it's not that complicated.  There's nothing to fear, and I confess I am continually amazed that so many fans fall into the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom instead of trusting what they see with their own eyes.  

Despite everything that happened in #631, I continue to see readers leaving room for NH to still happen and I simply can't understand it.  NH never actually existed because it was only ever H.  There was no N.  Ever.  Not once did Naruto return Hinata's feelings, nor did Kishimoto in any way give any indication that Naruto thought of her as more than a friend.  Meanwhile, all evidence has pointed to Naruto's love for Sakura.  All of it.

So after #631, which not only reconfirms Naruto's feelings for Sakura but also includes the confirmation that Naruto's choice fulfills his mother's dying wish, why are NS fans still leaving room for NH?

Because of the Twisted Feedback Loop of Doom.  That's why some folks here wish others would stop dragging the nonsense from other fandoms here.  It just perpetuates the cycle of fear and misinformation.  Questioning things and having an open mind is definitely a good thing, but that's not the same thing as suspending logic (or reality) because other fandoms want to tear you down.

*sigh*

Kishimoto's story is like one of those 3D posters.  If you stop staring at the details, and stop listening to people who try to tell you what to look for -- and you just relax your focus -- you can see the real picture. 

 

Just my opinion.

This. I mean, it's very unfortunate that NS gets so much hate, and people constantly try to twist, deny, dismiss what it gets but ultimately at this point in time, I could really honestly give a rats bottom what the other fandoms have to say about Naruto/NS/Sakura at this point. The story's crap? Well then, that's their opinion, but whatever else comes after regarding NS in their eyes is likely going to be BS. 

 

Anyway, whenever I run into anything their spouting when it comes to NS, I end up laughing. Soooooo many different opinions on the scenes, and soooo many different takes as well.

 

-Naruto was joking about liking Sakura

- Sakura proved that she still loves Sasuke with her response

-Naruto doesn't love Sakura because of her failfession

-Hinata deserves Naruto

-Naruto is already dating Hinata

 

I mean, where is this stuff getting pulled from? People choose to take what Naruto said at face value when it came to Sakura's confession before but now they want to dismiss it as a comical moment and nothing more?   whateverrrrr! LMAO

 

Anyway, this chapter definitely put us back on the map because we were definitely lacking in development in this war so it's nice and a bit refreshing to see them like this. 

 

Also, it's as you've said. NH has been nothing but H. Nowhere has Naruto EVER expressed or shown that he has romantic feelings for Hinata. 

[StriderC]

I agree, but i personally dont understand why people leave that much room for SS. I mean honestly, what does it do for the story? It has nothing good in it would just dismiss character development.

And now if we generally look back how the story went, i think it even more impossible to see SS coming. 

I just dont see any reason for kishi to make SS canon. I really would love to hear what makes people believe to think that kishi could make SS the end deal, especiall now after NH is dead.

I actually want to know this as well as where NH fans felt that Naruto had feelings for HInata. Where was this shown because I had never seen it before... I've asked a NH fan before but I got no response on it. It was all onesided just like SS was one sided while NS was a gradual and mutual development.