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[Kirby]

Well guys, Hinata got stabbed by what appears to be Pain's CHAKRA RECIEVERS. Naruto will own Pain, and Pain will bring Hinata back to life as a "Pain," and Naruto will calm down....

[Kyuudaime]

Um... okay detective, how exactly would that work out?

[Cali]

Meh, I usually lurk too, but ( mostly the reactions to ) this chapter got me annoyed enough to post something.

Taken purely from the point of view of the manga; Hinata's death was a totally unsurprising end to an utterly useless character. The sole productive thing she ever did was make some cream for injuries ( chuunin exams ), other than that... she had the full resources of an entire clan, and wasted the lot. If she didn't want to be a fighter, why the hell didn't she go and do something she was actually good at, like something in medicine? I'm sorry, someone without any conviction at all would not be someone I wanted to rely on to keep me alive in a fight.

Which brings us to 437; there's an entire village turned into rubble, no doubt there's people trapped there, and you've got these magic eyes that let you see chakra, and you've got some ability to treat injuries, so what do you do?

Lets see, do you a) finally confess to the guy you've supposedly loved for years and COMMIT SUICIDE IN FRONT OF HIS FACE IMMEDIATELY without doing any damage whatsoever, or b) help pull people out of the mess & treat them, and stay out of the damn way of people who you know are insanely strong, just like the rest of Naruto's friends ( apart from the ones planning on actually doing something productive that is ). Good job Hinata, now you've made Naruto go out of control 6-tails & quite possibly screwed all sorts of kitten up. If you really love someone you don't go and deliberately cause them pain. Stupid, useless, idiot.

I'm assuming that if he's broken Pain's control by going all Kyuubi now, he could have done it anyway, so she really didn't save him from anything. I'm not sure if I like the chapter for making brave decisions about popular character death, or be utterly disgusted about how lame it really is, either way if she somehow lives through all this I'm another one who's gonna quit reading it. The guy stabbed her, it's pretty damn obvious, doesn't matter what it was with, and he has absolutely no reason not to kill her. Kakashi ran out of chakra, there's kinda room for manoever there, but this should be terminal.

As I cant stand the anime I'm assuming from what I've read about it that she's actually a worthwhile character, which would explain why people like her, but purely manga? bleh. The silly reactions after this hits the anime are going to make some amusing reading, I think.

Edit; should point out that Sakura's also got a history of doing this sort of thing ( for both Sasuke & Naruto so far ), only rather less terminally, and only in a situation where they needed saving from *themselves*. Um, yes, one of those might be coming I guess.

Edited by Cali, 01 March 2009 - 08:33 PM.

[Nee-sama]

Lol Cali you are so right. I mean the least she could have done was pull some of those rods out of naruto's body while she was right next to him instead of charging Pain like a gazelle might charge at a lion. BTW, Did you read that post "Ch437 in a Nutshell" in the 437spoiler thread?

[Askia31]

lol if Naruto can't remember Hinata confessed to him because of KN6.

[RRAlchemist]

lol if Naruto can't remember Hinata confessed to him because of KN6.

Funny enough, that would be the only way I would be okay with Hinata living through this. Like he wakes up or something and freaks out that she's okay and then when he asks her what it was she said to him before he went six-tails she gets all shy again and says it wasn't anything important.

Anyway, it's not because I don't like her or anything, but I really hope Hinata stays dead (It's funny to me how it's okay to say something like that in any context, but w/e XD). As weird as it sounds, I just think her death could bring so much more to the story than her survival. All things considered, I honestly think this chapter had just two purposes, neither of which really involve developing pairings. 1) It brought Hinata full-circle and had her finally overcome her shyness to protect someone she cares about, and 2) Her death caused Naruto to go six-tails. But since fans seem to have the uncanny ability of being able to make pairings the center of everything, I think that after this is all over that NaruHina still only has a 1 in 5 (20%) chance of beginning to just develop (not even happen yet) assuming that she lives through this, and I think even that's being generous.

Then again, I've been wrong about a couple of other seemingly obvious pairings. I'm hoping Kishi doesn't disregard all the development between Naruto and Sakura for the sake of pleasing some fans, and though I really don't think he will I'm not going to feel at ease until Hinata is certainly, without a doubt, stabbed by Pain in the chest/stomach/head/something, dead as a doorknob.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Taken purely from the point of view of the manga; Hinata's death was a totally unsurprising end to an utterly useless character.

Stupid, useless, idiot.

Once again, please refrain from character bashing. This is the absolute last 'unofficial' warning we are going to give about this. The next person to character bash will be receiving an Official Mod warning.

[papo]

if naruto got so wounded by just going 4 tails, i wounder what the damage would be going 6?

[Lid]

if naruto got so wounded by just going 4 tails, i wounder what the damage would be going 6?

Yeah that will probably be a big problem too.

[Onionhead Attacks]

if naruto got so wounded by just going 4 tails, i wounder what the damage would be going 6?

His lifespan gets shorter and shorter with more tails. So aside from having severe damage to his body which needs a medic-nin to heal since the fox won't, he'll have a shorter life even after he's healed.

[Kyuudaime]

True, but if you think about it, I'd rather shorten my life than to die instantly.

Like with the Sasuke fight, when he got his lung pierced, he would have died without the fox.

[pal2002]

Meh, I usually lurk too, but ( mostly the reactions to ) this chapter got me annoyed enough to post something.

Taken purely from the point of view of the manga; Hinata's death was a totally unsurprising end to an utterly useless character. The sole productive thing she ever did was make some cream for injuries ( chuunin exams ), other than that... she had the full resources of an entire clan, and wasted the lot. If she didn't want to be a fighter, why the hell didn't she go and do something she was actually good at, like something in medicine? I'm sorry, someone without any conviction at all would not be someone I wanted to rely on to keep me alive in a fight.

Which brings us to 437; there's an entire village turned into rubble, no doubt there's people trapped there, and you've got these magic eyes that let you see chakra, and you've got some ability to treat injuries, so what do you do?

Lets see, do you a) finally confess to the guy you've supposedly loved for years and COMMIT SUICIDE IN FRONT OF HIS FACE IMMEDIATELY without doing any damage whatsoever, or b) help pull people out of the mess & treat them, and stay out of the damn way of people who you know are insanely strong, just like the rest of Naruto's friends ( apart from the ones planning on actually doing something productive that is ). Good job Hinata, now you've made Naruto go out of control 6-tails & quite possibly screwed all sorts of kitten up. If you really love someone you don't go and deliberately cause them pain. Stupid, useless, idiot.

I'm assuming that if he's broken Pain's control by going all Kyuubi now, he could have done it anyway, so she really didn't save him from anything. I'm not sure if I like the chapter for making brave decisions about popular character death, or be utterly disgusted about how lame it really is, either way if she somehow lives through all this I'm another one who's gonna quit reading it. The guy stabbed her, it's pretty damn obvious, doesn't matter what it was with, and he has absolutely no reason not to kill her. Kakashi ran out of chakra, there's kinda room for manoever there, but this should be terminal.

As I cant stand the anime I'm assuming from what I've read about it that she's actually a worthwhile character, which would explain why people like her, but purely manga? bleh. The silly reactions after this hits the anime are going to make some amusing reading, I think.

Edit; should point out that Sakura's also got a history of doing this sort of thing ( for both Sasuke & Naruto so far ), only rather less terminally, and only in a situation where they needed saving from *themselves*. Um, yes, one of those might be coming I guess.

Wow, you're soo logical I'd wish I think more like you and not let me emotions get in the way. So true, and yet could be so wrong if Kishi goes Rowling on us...
Unfortunately mods are stingy about 'bashing' even though I don't think too many of them are Hinata fans.

Edited by pal2002, 02 March 2009 - 03:51 AM.

[Sakura Blossoms]

now im not character bashing i love them all, just using this "bashing" as a persuasive perspective on getting people to understand my point of view

and sakura was making him kittenballs, however, think...

explodes and blows kitten up since someone he cared about was "killed"?

Allow me to sidetrack....Sakura was originally a pouty, stuck up, immature, useless b*tch....to put it bluntly. she went after the one that hated her, the good looking, smart, strong, assmunch.

massive kitten and even makes fun of his delinquency

Now don't get me wrong, Kishimoto might be a massive f****t prick and kill her off, in which case

i apologize if anyone was harmed in the making of this essay of clusterkitten arguments. good day.

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I'm on the verge of closing all of these threads about Hinata, because the offensive posts don't seem to be stopping, despite all of the constant warnings.

Edit -

Unfortunately mods are stingy about 'bashing' even though I don't think too many of them are Hinata fans.

Excuse me. Do you have any idea of much we've let go in terms of 'bashing'. We've given numerous 'unofficial' warnings and let a lot slide, but there comes a certain point where no more can be let go, because it is offensive to others even if it's not to you.

[Sakura Blossoms]

i sincerely apologize, i had mistaken this website for another naruto website that was lenient in the language rules, i will take my own break if not indefinately from this forum

It's not necessary to leave. Just please don't let it happen again. We're a 13+ website, and we like to try to maintain a certain level of decorum, so that the site can be enjoyed by *everyone*

[Onionhead Attacks]

Unfortunately mods are stingy about 'bashing' even though I don't think too many of them are Hinata fans.

I would not go so far as to say that mods are stingy about bashing. Any form of bashing is prohibited. Even bashing Naruto or Sakura, the characters the site is based on is prohibited. We are trying to keep a nice and friendly environment by having absolutely no bashing for anyone/anything or profanity around. We respect other pairing supporters for coming here and not bashing us or our pairing so it should be right if we do the same and respect theirs and act mature about it.

The mods are doing their job and are trying to uphold to the rules and we should all respect them for that, even if they end up looking like the "villain" in all of this.

[Drakonis]

my new opinion is WHY????????? there. i saved 400+ words

[dl316bh]

if you look at it without bias and with that "gut" or logic from previous love situations, we would end up with hinata.

You make the mistake of thinking that logic factors into it when it comes to who one "should" end up with. Have you ever been in a situation where someone desperately wants you to hook up with someone you don't like? Same thing. They could be the best person in the world, more "deserving" and whatever else; in the end it means nothing. You are who you are and you like who you like, no matter how good they are for you.

Love can be elixer or it can be poison; but it can never be forced upon someone.

to finish reason #2, it seems from a moral perspective, sakura doesn't deserve naruto at all.

When people make the mistake of thinking a matter of deserving factors into things like love, it tends to show a lack of understanding of it. It's not based on who deserves who. It's not based on deeds done or what you percieve. It's not based on how strongly one party feels if the other does not feel the same.

It just is. Love simply is.

Sakura was a child, a kid, when she had this immense crush on Sasuke. She did not truly understand him. She did not truly understand love. Hinata practically worshipped Naruto. She did not understand him either. Only one aspect. Objectively, Sakura grew up and learned to let go of Sasuke; in contrast, Hinata seems to have shown no signs of giving up her view of Naruto or the crush that came with it. This is despite ll he's been through and his own changes, which she knows little of. On the outside, she see's what she has; on the inside, like many others, there's something else there.

You live, you learn, you grow up. Everybody makes mistakes, especially when young. When you put everything into terms of deserving, no one ever measures up.

Edited by dl316bh, 02 March 2009 - 04:29 AM.

[Drakonis]

im just saying, by a anime perspective, what i said is usually true, anime love is all about who deserves who. same thing with movies, im aware it works sooo much differently in the real world, im just saying, sorry lol

[Sir Whirly]

Go get 'em Shauna-chan!

Dont know why people find it necessary to bash. It is so immature. Why can't people just love all characters for who they are and not judge them on who they are not.

[dl316bh]

Not always. It depends largely on which you see. There are others that feel real or believable. Then there are others that simply do not. Unfortunately, not every popular bit of fiction seems to have writers who understand how love works or even how to write it.

Kishi? I think he has a grasp on it. That's one of the few things I can really hand to him. I've been frustrated by a lot of other things about his manga.

Edited by dl316bh, 02 March 2009 - 04:33 AM.