I love the claims that western NS fans are bringing the votes down when we are so vastly outnumbered here.

Yeah, like others said, I'm not sure it can even qualify as a red herring even if that's what he intended it to be.  Kishimoto admits he is bad at romance.  So he pretty much leaves it out for the main character and his true love interest, then develops a budding love between Naruto and Sakura as a red herring?  That is completely asinine.  Maybe Kishimoto was able to write NaruSaku because he was intending it to be fake, the problem is it ended up being far to substantial for NaruHina to have a legit leg to stand on.  Regardless of what his original intentions were, Naruto and Sakura had chemistry.  If a couple has chemistry, development, and makes sense, you don't just throw it away for a terrible and  undeveloped side character pair EVEN IF that's what you planned on in the first place.  Why?  Because it's bad writing.  It really leaves a bad taste in my mouth either way.  The shallow nature of NaruHina kind of makes me want to vomit.

But I will say this.  I have disliked Naruto intensely since the hyperventilating scene in LOI.  I began to dislike it since the nature training arc.  I have a feeling Naruto started going downhill since part II where Kishimoto may have started having more free reign in his work.  Part I may have been good because of influence from the editors.  Here is the deal, from my point of view  Kishimoto had a decent concept to start with, and his editors helped him immensely in his creation of what would be a pretty good part I.  Kishimoto is not a good writer, the editors are.  The less influence they have, the worse his work becomes.  I only continued reading the series because I thought NaruSaku was an interesting pair and I wanted to see how it would be resolved.  Anyway, that's my take on it.

On a side note, I hope this same thing doesn't happen in Bleach, where the main pairing that's basically written as soul mates (with a bond far stronger than NaruSaku IMO) also gets thrown in the trash.  (Sorry if you like IchiHime XD).

You know what? The problem isn't that NaruHina wasn't well written.  It's that NaruHina wasn't written at all in the first place.

I'm just a bit down that I liked Sakura's character, but only when it was void of Sasuke.  Right now it feels like Sakura is dead and gone, or was never there to begin with.  Character deconstruction to the maximum :(.  It's weird, because now that she has been relegated to Sasuke's housewife, I'm feeling myself forgetting her relevenance and being altogether.  Makes it somewhat easier to come to terms with NaruHina in a sick sort of way.

kishimoto supports abusive relationships, if u are woman is ok if you boyfriend beat u or try to kill u you must forgive him

Man, I don't even want to touch on that lol.  I honestly don't think Kishimoto sees it that way, as the man himself seems blissfully unaware of the implications of what he is writing.  He was surprised that people though the Naruto Sasuke "friendship" looked insane.

"it almost looks like Kishimoto is saying something with the Kushina parralels"

 

There a tvtrope called as "Red Herring" or "Red Fish". I think it was Sakura's job to make the audiance believe that she will end up with Naruto, while in reality, he never intended.

 

"If he really wanted Naruto and Hinata as the final pairing, wouldn't he have shown it more love in the manga?"

 

Because there were so much for NaruSaku thaaaaaat... wait, no, there wasn't, both of them were just as bad written than the other.

Perhaps.  I guess you could say all the positive development in NaruSaku was negated by all the negative development.  Whereas NaruHina has nearly non-existent development, but always goes forward positively.  I'd prefer there be a bit more meat in the romantic subplot rather than the skin and bones we received.  While there was certainly some rotten flesh in NaruSaku, it was far more interesting imo.

And I'm aware of the red herring trope,  but if you are going to throw red herrings out there at least develop what is meant to be the canon pairing, otherwise it looks like a load of BS (which it was).

I posted this as a reply in another thread, but I'm curious as to what others thoughts are on this.  Anyway, the question...was Kishimito forced into this ending.

I think the whole reason we saw no interaction between Naruto and Sakura was because Kishimoto literally couldn't pull it off and make it seem believable.  Any in character scene between the two would have made the other two pairings look far worse than they are now, which is saying something. The whole thing is suspect to me.  We don't even have a word spoken between Hinata and Naruto.  Sakura has the Uzumaki female hairsyle, her kid looks like Karin, and she is relegated to being a housewife.  Sakura's character was dismantled and recreated into some sort of abomination this chapter, but it almost looks like Kishimoto is saying something with the Kushina parralels, like NS was meant to be, but he wasn't allowed to pursue that path.  I find it really sad that he is putting all of Naruto's romantic development in the movie when he had so much development for NaruSaku.   It's almost as if he couldn't stand writing any meaningful NH in his own manga and thus dumped it on SP.   I truly think he washed his hands of the matter, and I find it hard to believe he is happy right now with that ending he just delivered.

Maybe I'm wrong, but for me this points to Kishi not really having a choice in the matter.  The editor's or SP or whomever, guided his hand for these final chapters. If he really wanted Naruto and Hinata as the final pairing, wouldn't he have shown it more love in the manga?  Wouldn't he have given them at least ONE word with each other in the final chapter and epilogue of his life's work?  I'll refrain from too heavy criticism of the man until I get an interview regarding or including this conclusion.  I think he, at the very least, owes our portion of the fan-base an explanation.

You wanna the really pathetic thing about this chapter? Utterly no mention of Naruto's promise of a life time. Not even so much as a thank you from Sakura. That kitten right there? That's how you know this ending is forced. A major moment in Naruto and Sakura's development as characters (not just a pairing) plays no relevance whatsoever. Not even so much as a platonic acknowledgement. Sakura is simply portrayed as an inconsiderate fangirl buffoon. Which is a real shame. Sakura had potential. Could've stood out as a phenomenal female heroine and a good role model for girls everywhere. Instead, she ends up succumbing to the same pitfalls and idiocy many other series let their female characters waste away in.

I think the whole reason we saw no interaction between Naruto and Sakura was because Kishimoto literally couldn't pull it off and make it seem believable.  Any in character scene between the two would have made the other two pairings look far worse than they are now, which is saying something. The whole thing is suspect to me.  We don't even have a word spoken between Hinata and Naruto.  Sakura has the Uzumaki female hairsyle, her kid looks like Karin, and she is relegated to being a housewife.  Sakura's character was dismantled and recreated into some sort of abomination this chapter, but it almost looks like Kishimoto is saying something with the Kushina parralels, like NS was meant to be, but he wasn't allowed to pursue that path.  I find it really sad that he is putting all of Naruto's romantic development in the movie when he had so much development for NaruSaku.   It's almost as if he couldn't stand writing any meaningful NH in his own manga and thus dumped it on SP.   I truly think he washed his hands of the matter, and I find it hard to believe he is happy right now with that ending he just delivered.

Maybe I'm wrong, but for me this points to Kishi not really having a choice in the matter.  The editor's or SP or whomever, guided his hand for these final chapters. If he really wanted Naruto and Hinata as the final pairing, wouldn't he have shown it more love in the manga?  Wouldn't he have given them at least ONE word with each other in the final chapter and epilogue of his life's work?  I'll refrain from too heavy criticism of the man until I get an interview regarding or including this conclusion.  I think he, at the very least, owes our portion of the fan-base an explanation.

Wow that had chapter had even less development than I thought it would.

You know what, now that I think about it we shouldn't be surprised.  Kishimoto apparently wasn't aware that most people thought the Naruto Sasuke bond and whole chasing after Sasuke fiasco looked insane in the first place.  I think his mind just works in...different ways.

Will it ever be explained WHY Sakura loves Sasuke?

 

kitten no.

Don't you remember Kishimoto's infamous dialogue through his mouthpiece kakashi?  Love apparently doesn't need a reason. 

I honestly wouldn't be happy with a NS ending alongside what we've been given so far.  It's not just NH/SS that's bad here....the whole picture is just so absurd and surreal.

Yeah that city takes the cake.  I dunno why, but just seeing that makes this so freakin hilarious that I don't even care anymore.  It's almost as if Kishi was forced into this and is spewing out BS as an FU to the editors.

Not trying to sound butthurt but.. It's just so convenient that these pairings got canon right before Kishi confirmed that 3 part of Naruto, like let's be honest, NS isn't a popular pairing.The majority of the Naruto fandom is composed of NH and SS fans and just like we don'r want to keep reading a story about NH and SS childrens, they probably wouldn't want to keep reading a story about NS childrens.., so, of course, for Kishi/shonen Jump/SP it was much more convenient that crazy ending. 

 

 

 

 

 

The kids will propably only apear in the end of the movie, they'll probably show the epiloge animated.

 

 

He gave SS the forehead thing... a particular NS trait

He gave SS's daugher Karin's appearance

He gave Sakura Kushina's appearance

 

 

Seems like kill NS and SS wasn't enough... he needed to mock us as well.

I almost feel like this is his hidden message that he wanted NS to be the end game pairing, but couldn't due to whatever reasons.

Kishi must have had a last minute change of heart or the editor's hand came into play.  There is no way he would willingly and sanely develop his MC's pairing off panel in a movie.

The ending being this bad actually makes me more inclined to think it's real .  I've been disenchanted with this series since Naruto's hyperventilating scene (as well as the LOI confession).  Since then I've been reading simply out of habit along with other manga that I'm more into.  I only recently got back into it since the end was near and kishimoto seemed to be pushing narusaku post handhold crap/neji's terrible death.  I think I may re-watch toradora just to get this awful resolution (or lack there of concerning NaruSaku) out of my head.

I hope there is some sort of on panel resolution for Naruto's feelings concerning Sakura at the very least.

Yeah I dunno, how do you have a manga heavily focused on romance (for a shonen), then give 0 development for your end game  main character's pairing (NH) and finish it off in a movie.  That would be just so odd to me.

Honestly if this crap is fake, it would be the biggest troll in anime/manga history.

Honestly if this is a massive troll...it's amazing to be part of it.  I feel like it's a bit too cruel if it is though hah.

Doubt she got with another guy.  Additionally, that boy is too old if it is just a 2 year time skip.

From what I recall Neji's name means "screw" or "whirl" which may be what the bolt is representing....Hyuuga? not sure

I'm curious to see if kishi will ever have an interview regarding the pairings.  I'd really like to see his thought process behind all this.

Well good news is at least we can't get hit any harder than this >.>.  Rock freaking bottom.

Not exactly.

 

She said 'love is in the air' which could mean anything from a confession to... well, anything. We got a CPR scene.

Yep, and it would be odd for her to search for an image giving something away so directly.  She has fun with these games.