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Tyliout

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In Topic: So do you think that sakura was serious or not? *current manga spoilers*

02 January 2010 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Jan 2 2010, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh? No, Kakashi never said the Hatake clan was linked to the Hyuugas. But there is a mention around the Chunnin exams that the Hyuuga believe that the Uchiha clan was a rebellious breakaway from their clan.


No i got the tome 9 and what kakashi say is during is "Ma famille était apparentée aux hyuga il y a très longtemps..." well i got the french tome but in english that give "My familly was link to the Hyuga a long time ago.." he make no mention of some link between sharingan and byakugan only a comparioson of there ability.

I just saw the english translation of the chapter which state what you said but in the long run the french translation seem to fit better with the story.

Not gonna go on a debate about who got the best translator just saying to let you know.

In Topic: So do you think that sakura was serious or not? *current manga spoilers*

02 January 2010 - 07:50 PM

@ Ciardha: I really d'ont get the whole link between the Uchiha and the hyugaa when i read the manga Kakashi State that his familly is link to the hyugaa (Hatake) and Kakashi is not a Uchiha i think the confusion must come from the Anime.

Now do i believe Sakura was serious with her feeling yes i do. But the way she did was odd at best.

In Topic: Naruto ch. 478 predictions

02 January 2010 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jan 2 2010, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When did I ever say Itachi didn't want the best for Konoha at all? I'm not sure why you are arguing against things I never even said. However, it still remains SASUKE was more important to Itachi. That's all there is to it. Konoha is important, but Sasuke was more important. And even keeping the incident a secret was not just for Konoha. First of all, Itachi needed Sasuke to have a reason to hate him. Second, Sasuke was kept innocent of the incidence so he wouldn't get in trouble. Thus, there would be nothing inhibiting him from become the new clan leader.


I said myself Madara manipulated Sasuke. What are you arguing against? If Sasuke met Madara, Itachi knew Sasuke could be manipulated. And he was, he even lost the innocence that remained. Itachi failed to save Sasuke and prevent Madara from manipulating him. Now Naruto is Sasuke's only hope.

Madara doesn't need to lie about a story to manipulate. He only needs to tell the story in a certain way and only reveal parts that will help achieve his goal. And Sasuke is a lot like Madara. Madara's brother made a sacrifice for the good of the Uchiha, but what happened? The Uchiha instead made peace and backed down. Madara said he was betrayed. Compare this to Sasuke. His brother made a sacrifice. Sasuke feels it wasn't justified. Sasuke feels betrayed by his village. Madara knew Sasuke would feel the same way he did; he didn't have to lie, he just had to tell him what happened in the right way.


Sasuke was more important (the village was a close second). Now Sasuke is treating Itachi as more important than the village. But in doing so, he is disrespecting his brothers wishes.


I will try to reformulate the original idea i had when i said the first post then

I believe Sasuke is wrong in is belief because the core reason from which is actual mindset is based is that is brother value is life much more than the village. The latest chapter in Naruto seem to put forward the idea that even if you love someone you might be ready to kill him rather than see him fall lower in to darkness. Since Itachi loved Sasuke that much i believe he would rather put into motion a plan to kill Sasuke instead of letting him go and destroy the village and become a great criminal. Thus what Itachi left into Naruto. When Sasuke will realize that itachi might prefer him dead rather than going after the village Sasuke is gonna take a blow mentally. Because is current choice are largely based on that assumption that he got after Madara told him the truth.

That is why i believe Sasuke falsely believe is life is more important than Konoha.

Now I am not trying to imply that since Itachi is ready to kill Sasuke rather than let destroy the village that he love less his brother than the village but rather that this choice was made because he loved both.

Is it clear now

In Topic: Naruto ch. 478 predictions

02 January 2010 - 10:17 AM

@Cloud Since Madara is the one that tell the whole story in chap 400 and 401 is POV is to take into account. And i never doubted that Itachi wanted Sasuke to kill him.

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jan 2 2010, 02:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh, that's up to you if you want to disregard those scenes. This is widely accepted by people to be the truth as far as Itachi is concerned.

My point and the mangas point is that Itachi loved Sasuke the most. Manga says Itachi did things the way he did so that Sasuke could be seen as a hero and lead the clan to peace. Sasuke decided NOT to do this. I haven't even been talking about Madara, so I don't know why you brought that up.

But believe what you want *shrugs* I'm just going by the manga.



huh.gif im not disregarding the manga nor the fact that Itachi loved Sasuke a lot but take into account the fact that during everything that Itachi did he never got close to reveal the truth about Konoha involvement with the Uchiha massacre. Itachi wanted the best for both Sasuke and Konoha.

Manga fact that im taking into account are Manga fact from chapter 403, 404 and 416

In chapter 403 we got the flashback of the conversation between Naruto and Itachi that lead to a lot of questioning concerning what did Itachi gave to Naruto that he hope he would never have to use. Anyway you look at it it is probably not something that is gonna be good for Sasuke.

In chapter 404 we got very interesting word from Madara "more than the truth Itachi did not want him to meet me" if i recall. If those word are not suppose to make us question madara motivation in telling the Story to Sasuke i wonder what does.

In chapter 416 we got clear explanation from sasuke mouth that he believe that is life is more important than konoha for Itachi because Madara told him so but if I take into account chapter 403 i believe that Sasuke might be wrong here about the value of his life for Itachi.

Now that lead back to chapter 478 with Itachi apparition and Naruto turmoil over sasuke fate. If i had to make prediction about what his gonna happen i would say that the Itachi that appear was a fake that sasuke his gonna use against Danzo i would also predict soon maybe a talk between Naruto and Itachi in is mind (might be wishful thinking here) in order to make a contrast between Naruto and Sasuke.

In Topic: Naruto ch. 478 predictions

02 January 2010 - 07:43 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jan 2 2010, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Tyliout
You need to reread the manga. Ch. 400-401.


Did but that just made my point more obvious about Madara putting the truth to favor his manipulation. Not sure what is to be miss into that. Everything that is said during those two chapter is tainted by Madara POV thus to take lightly.