Jump to content

Close

fireandice

Member Since 18 Dec 2009
Offline Last Active Apr 12 2013 11:39 AM

Posts I've Made

In Topic: Naruto 627

11 April 2013 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 11 2013, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yet I get the same thing for people with similar opinions as yours with the people who find even slight fault with it.

"Oh the chapter was so good. You're just a pessimist. You don't see the good writing that's in it."

That's kind of the same way of talking to be honest with you and I feel threatened by it. Keep in mind, this is exactly what caused the same problems when 615 came out and both optimist and pessimist were at each others throats the whole time with many getting banned for it.
I don't think the chapter was as good. I thought it was "meh" at best.

And I have still yet to get an answer for something. Wasn't Sasuke going to destroy Konoha, so why is he saving it now? If he decides not to destroy it, then in what other way is he going to be evil to have the Naruto vs Sasuke fight to occur. You just can't fight to fight, there has to be some kind of selfish desire from Sasuke. Even if that desire is "I want a strong opponent."

So how is Kishi going to make Sasuke appear half good, but still evil enough to warrant a Naruto vs Sasuke fight. This is confusing me the most about it and I am a little worried about the future of the manga story itself. What if Kishi makes Sasuke go 100% evil again just to make a the fight occur? Wouldn't that make this chapter pointless?

Okay, so Sasuke redemption doesn't bother me: This is completely a given. Not the way I would have envisioned it, but whatever. I would have found it easier if Sasuke started having doubts by this time, but I find him going to 50% good is a little too much development in such a short time. Plus the fact that he wants to fight in the war to protect Itachi's dream or whatever only to destroy the Konoha later which is Itachi's dream is...weird to me. So what is the real story? However, the redemption still doesn't guarantee survival, nor canon pairing.

Do you care more about Sasuke's redemption or Naruto succeeding? Cause Kishi could make Sasuke be redeemed right now and Naruto's involvement non existent. Making Naruto's role as a main character become nothing. So, it's great that Sasuke is changing....again....,but where does this leave Naruto? His whole life was to bring Sasuke back to the light and if it feels like he hardly did anything to change Sasuke, then...what? Do we care more about Sasuke's life or Naruto's?

Right now, it looks Sasuke can change his heart without Naruto doing anything at all. I want Naruto to do something to really change Sasuke.

and what about Sakura?

This is my worry above all else. It's great in the short run, but the more development Sasuke gets to "change," the more diminished role Naruto and Sakura have on Sasuke. Not only that, but if it all ends up going full circle, then the whole manga was just a waste of time to begin with and this is what I fear for the ending itself. So how is Kishi going to make it so Naruto makes this great impact and still keep this chapter legit and without diminishing anything. This really has to be the final development for Sasuke otherwise Kishi is going to put himself in the corner where Hinata is the heroine and Sasuke is the main character when really it should be Sakura the heroine and Naruto the main character.

I am also not too fond of what Kishi did to Karin in this chapter, but it seems like I am the only one who really gives a crap. Sorry, the guy tried to kill you. It shouldn't be THAT easy to forgive him for it. No girl in reality is that forgiving and even if she is she was abused to be so.


I have to go the something now so unfortunately I can't do a long reply sad.gif

BUT yes I know how it's not nice when people kind of behave as though people who didn't like the chapter feel it's all "PSH whats wrong with you. U must not hv read the chapter", especially if people take the time to write a long reply saying why they didn't like it, not just "CHAPTER SUCKS KISHI SUCKS"

I think for everyone to take note, no matter HOW convicted you feel that your opinion is most valid, just tacking on a "In my opinion..." "Ok, this is just how I view it" instead of speaking as though our opinions are facts really go a long way to making everyone feel more welcome and less annoyed/alienated by the sense that their views are outright dismissed as being illogical smile.gif

In Topic: Naruto 627

11 April 2013 - 01:54 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 11 2013, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do I feel the like the whole mentality is like: "You have to like this chapter cause it was so good, but if you find fault you are wrong."


wellll i really loved this chapter to bits

but i disagree that you are wrong if you didn't like it.

i think it comes down to how everyone of us thinks differently. For me, I didn't want Sasuke's redemption to come wholly through Naruto as I felt it made him too much of a messiah figure. For you, perhaps (sorry if I got it wrong), the Sasuke/Naruto relationship has been the central thing and you naturally wanted Naruto to be the one who played the key role to bring him back to his senses. That is indeed very valid and understandable.

I liked this chapter because it sort of played to what I wanted, and it's perfectly understandable you and others think differently.

I just disagree though when some people (not anyone in particular) write what are their OPINIONS with the whole sense of "oh kishi messed it up, it makes no sense whatsover and the rest of you are fools" (and vice versa) instead of remembering our opinions are subjective.

Personality, I don't think Sasuke's redemption was THAT out of the left field for people to talk about it being an asspull like it's a FACT, not an opinion.

In Topic: Naruto 627

11 April 2013 - 01:47 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Apr 11 2013, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As long as this chapter didn't effect NaruSaku in any way (Didn't read it yet) I'm fine.

Did it?

Sounds more like SasuKarin. smile.gif


seriously, go read it...the Hokages are too epic to miss.

No it doesn't affect NaruSaku at all. Neither are mentioned directly in this chapter.

And yes it's more SasuKarin biggrin.gif

In Topic: Naruto 627

11 April 2013 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 11 2013, 01:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This.


Yeah, it really has. I blamed the last two arcs, especially HM arc. By god, talk about a sequel arc that only doing the same as the first one.


Yes, Naruto has more or less been consistently #2 right behind One Piece in manga sales. Only last year I think it was no 3 with Kuroko beating it. Bleach on the other hand has dropped quite a bit because of the HM arc, but Naruto's been quite steady.

I'm not sure if it's just down to popularity in light of this fact.

I do think Kishi perhaps wanted Sasuke's redemption to come about in a different manner than expected. I myself prefer it this way...I thought it's a bit shallow if Sasuke just needs a knock in the head from Naruto. I got the sense he needed much deeper closure considering how his descent to darkness is because of what Konoha did to him- which he got from Itachi, and to extent got from hearing the honest truth from the Hokages, who I guess sort of represent and embody the idea of Konoha itself.

hey the manga can still end with Sasuke vs. Naruto. they're both genin still technically so CHUUNIN EXAMS XD

In Topic: Naruto 627

11 April 2013 - 01:30 AM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 11 2013, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah this.

I think we need to draw a line here about something. Some members are confusing how people feel on this.

For example, Sasuke changing to good is not unexpected and it has been hinted at, this is true. However, what is unexpected is what Derock said nicely: Naruto did nothing to change that impact. I could even argue that every time Naruto and Sasuke were on screen, things got worse not better. We also have these characters who are flipping faster than coins on decisions making. This was my problem with Sasuke since the beginning, but no one listened to me and they still don't.

All I will say is this in order for a Naruto vs Sasuke fight to happen: Sasuke HAS to be evil.

If Sasuke was a Batman villain, he really would be "Two-Face" as he seems to hold that split personality.


Hmm...I think for Sasuke, seeing Itachi again provided real closure and played a HUGE ROLE in bringing him back more to normal. Because from what I read, I sensed that Sasuke's hatred towards Konoha after he found out the truth was that of a child so angry that the entire world lied to him, that he was fooled into spending all these years into hating the older brother he had loved and looked up to all along. I bet he hated himself for not seeing the truth, that Itachi REALLY was the loving brother he was, and that he played a role in his death without ever being able to talk to him again. It really hurt Sasuke that he never got to reconcile with Itachi and that Itachi probably died knowing Sasuke hated him always.

I just really disagree that Naruto has to be the one playing the main role. I don't feel that Naruto did nothing, and I think he did enough already. His time with Sasuke in Team 7, his efforts to bring him back definitely played a part in making Sasuke still have that little bit of attachment to Konoha. I honestly felt it was UNREALISTIC that Sasuke couldn't be redeemed or at least come to his senses UNLESS Naruto kicked his butt which the series seemed to be building up to. It makes Sasuke seem to static on his own, and Naruto too much of a messiah who has to rescue Sasuke on top of stopping Madara.

I really love how Kishi did it because it's a sense of "in the end, sometimes you can't force people to walk the path they want to or to save everyone. They make their own choices- and sometimes we can hope that there's still some good left in them." I really felt sorry for how Sasuke was manipulated by the Konoha elders, and lied to by Itachi. It would be a disservice if Sasuke's redemption had to come about only through other forms of coercion (Naruto dragging him back) or manipulation. That is why I much prefer this- because Naruto's ideals are put in the context of a much more universal idea that Hashirama, Kagami AND Shisui shared, instead of him seeming like a ninja jesus without whom NO ONE has these concepts.
  1. Heaven & Earth
  2. → Viewing Profile: Posts: fireandice
  3. Privacy Policy