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Kenny-kun

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In Topic: What in blazes is Kishimoto thinking?

29 December 2012 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Dec 28 2012, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
happy.gif *nods to Kirabook and Kenny-kun too*

The thread has a purpose as an overview of Kishimoto's writing style. Basically, it encompasses more than just chapter 615 (so it not a good fit for the chapter thread) and most of the posts have been about the writing in general (so it's not a good fit for the NS debate thread).

I agree though the name gives the thread a bit of a bad rap. We could change the name of to better help posters and keep the topic from turning into a redundant thread....

Like.... "What's Kishimoto's strategy?" or "Where will Kishimoto go from here?"

I wouldn't mind a sister thread to the chapter thread that talks about Kishimoto's overall strategy, comparisons to other manga and anime, the inner workings of editors and marketeers on a manga, and how the reception is in Japan vs. the West.

That way, this thread could stay fresh through the next few chapters. Not just be ranty about one.

Any thoughts? Or have we reached the end of the lifespan of this thread already! laugh.gif
Sounds good to me! biggrin.gif


PS: I know this idea is a bit out there, but if we all got together and wrote a big fan letter detailing the evidence for NaruSaku and our concerns with OOC behavior in this recent chapter, could that maybe get Kishi to somewhat reconsider the direction he is taking this manga? Or does the letter never even get to his desk?

In Topic: What in blazes is Kishimoto thinking?

28 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

Honestly, Naruto getting over Sakura just doesn't make ANY SENSE. We've had it confirmed on panel that he has been in love with her since chapter 3. Not only that, but what exactly was Kishimoto getting at with chapter 297? Or the databooks, telling us that Sakura hasn't yet resolved her feelings for Naruto? It's as if someone came in at the last minute and completely rewrote both character's characteristics for the sake of "pointless drama." Honestly, even on the off chance NaruSaku does happen at this point, I'm still going to mark this as being a horrible writing. The mutual hand holding is a means of sealing the deal romantically, hence we're at a conundrum. Just as it doesn't make sense for Naruto to get over Sakura, it also doesn't make sense for him for get over Hinata based on his own words and actions in this chapter.

Thank God for One Piece. Now that's a manga that's actually well written!

In Topic: What in blazes is Kishimoto thinking?

28 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 28 2012, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same here!
I mean just look at the name of the thread.
Its just negative stuff in here.
All the stuff discussed here, can also be discussed in the debatte thread.

I disagree. The debate thread is usually the appropriate place, but with the release of a chapter as monumental as this (this is a NaruSaku site for pete's sake), I think this subject deserves its own thread. And I wouldn't be too hard on the negativity (though I agree that people should watch their language). A lot of us are pissed and need to vent. Maybe close this thread after we've got it all out of our system!

In Topic: H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!

28 December 2012 - 05:26 AM

QUOTE (Uzumaki Naruto @ Dec 28 2012, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only thing I can say that might even give the slightest slimmer of hope is that Naruto only views this as a friendship thing and that Hinata will see that Sakura is the one for Naruto.


I don't know about that. I certainly don't hold hands with my friends nor caress their cheeks sensually. Out of nowhere, Naruto and Hinata are officially a couple and they sealed the deal in front of the whole world (including Sakura). After all, that's what people do when they hold each other's hands in public. Now watch as Naruto magically forgots about his confirmed feelings for Sakura and makes Hinata his waifu. Watch as Sasuke magically falls in love with Sakura over the course of a single chapter. Yep, that's some good story telling there. rolleyes.gif

In Topic: What in blazes is Kishimoto thinking?

28 December 2012 - 03:57 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Dec 27 2012, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Final redemption? From what does she need to be redeemed from and why is not longer possible because of this?


Redeemed from being . . . well frankly, useless. Even the whole medical ninja thing has simply been swept under the rug as not being that big of a deal.

Her whole fake confession to Naruto didn't matter in the end nor did her asinine plan to kill Sasuke.

What's more, as soon as this war started, the first thing we got out of her character was her still being in love with Sasuke? Seriously? Why exactly is she in love with Sasuke.? This guy has done nothing but dog and badmouth since chapter 3. Hell, he tried to kill her . . . three times. I can understand her wanting her teammate back, but beyond Sasuke simply being an alpha male, there's really no reason for her to be intersted in the guy. Hell, I'd be much more impressed with her character if she were interested in Rock Lee. The only thing her remaining infatuation with Sasuke shows is immaturity on her part. Now if Sasuke had ever shown any form of interest in her, that'd be one thing. If Sakura's feelings for Sasuke had ever been fleshed out in the slightest, then this sort of thing would be acceptable. Instead, it's just lazy writing on Kishi's part and contributes to the reason more and more fans are losing interest in this manga.

I knew a moment like the one we got in chapter 615 was coming. I just never would have dreamed that such a moment would be given to Hinata (a character who has already been developed, ever since her actions during the Pein invasion arc) when Sakura (the actual female lead, at least according to Kishi) is in desperate need of character development. Had Sakura been the one to knock Naruto out of his funk, it would have brought everything in full circle. For a long time, Sakura has constantly beat herself up about being of no use to Naruto. This moment here would have (and should have) changed that and would have brought the meaning of Yamato's words in chapter 297 to full fruition. Instead, Sakura is once again gawking on like an idiot while other people are doing all the work. Not only is this a slap in the face to her character (and I'm not simply speaking from the standpoint of a NaruSaku shipper), but to all the fans who were invested in her character in the first place.

It's no longer feasible because another moment like this would be redundant. There are no more lessons for Naruto to learn and there's no feasible way she can help Naruto at this point beyond keeping her useless behind out of harm's way as she stares onwards with drool slipping out of her wide open mouth.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Dec 27 2012, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again there was no need to show Sakura shocked expression and most importantly their was no need to not clearly show that Naruto really loves Hinata. All we have right now is optimistic speculation versus pessimistic speculation from the readers but nothing clear from the author when he has not reason to keep making it ambiguous when he is finally deciding the end pairing.


This isn't the first time Sakura has sat back and gawked on like an idiot while other characters were actually making a difference. Recall the Team 7 reunion. Honestly, this sort of thing is pretty standard for her character at this point.