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In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

Yesterday, 01:49 PM

Yet they had no problems when the last did this to Naruto for Sakura.  :lmao:

In Japan, that pretty much destroyed Naruto's reputation and made him a scumbag in their eyes. To the point, I do think that it did eventually went from being completely canon to semi-canon.

 

In the West, as long as Naruto only loves Hinata they do not care how bad it makes him look, because the worst is apparently not loving only Hinata and him caring about anything else.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

01 September 2025 - 07:48 PM

At one point they will because Naruto became a brand. It transcended beyond just being a manga. It's a brand and they will use that.

The question now is when? And also will they learn their lesson? There would be no point in making something new if they just do the same thing.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Whenever Boruto is over/Ikemoto's contract is up/when they need a IP that can make them money.

 

Again, SJ isn't lacking in IP at the moment that are making them money. Likely why Part one was ended, was that Boruto's peers were all ending at the point and it was making them look at it. To realize Ikemoto was wasting time and his story was in a rut that could have part one last for 15 years on its own. Which would be nice if it was profitable, which everyone knows wasn't that case. So if we wait for the current batch to end, as Ikemoto is failling back into bad habits, they will look at part two again see waste and order it to finish. Which can be about 5 years. Granted shounen manga aren't going on for as long as during Naruto's time. Kill Blue that just ended finished before the first episode of its anime aired.

 

I think Ikemoto is in a 60 chapter contract as they around the time Kodaichi was let go as his contract is up. 120 of Boruto chapters is 40 of part two which is 15 chapters/months from now. If they changed it to 60 chapters for part two 35 Chapters/Months from now.

 

Boruto is pretty much designed to go on forever due to its abysmal pace. From the start of part two Bolt has had three goals: defeat Punk, defeat the Tree people, Defeat Nail to release his parents. Now those could all be resolved in a single fight or he can make it go on forever.

 

As for will they change it? If they do continue it, they have no choice. Boruto is seen as such a black mark even by Pro-ending fans that keeping it canon only hurts the IP. Kishimoto was always a reluctant supporter of nH/SS, he only had them because he was told they would be profitable...which they clearly haven't.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

01 September 2025 - 03:20 PM

Apparently Youtube has decided Vtubers talking about Naruto is what I want to watch.
 
Here is one that goes off on Sakura.
 
 
Naruto was ok, Shippuden was mid, and Boruto was bad.
 
Part of it was complaining about Sakura was suppose to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke during the war arc, when they entire audience could tell her was not. The scene she got the forehead seal. Again this is largely the fault of Kishimoto never focusing on her power development like he did Naruto and Sasuke due to help belief rivals needed to be equal in power. She really needed wood release.
 
The other part is the Sakura was a kitten for pretending to like Naruto to use him to get Sasuke. That is a misunderstanding a lot of fans have from the False Confession scene. It was suppose to be Sakura does having strong feelings but she can't let go of Sasuke due to unresolved feelings for him. The ending enforced this misunderstanding in fans and so reenforced her negative reputation. She felt Sakura should have gotten with Naruto because he was with her through out everything, and her being with Sasuke doesn't make sense.
 
The V Tuber has over a million followers.
 
For the video at the moment the only comment is (not mine): "Sakura/Sasuke romance can simply be sum up as "physical attractiveness" and nothing more."

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

31 August 2025 - 06:12 AM

One can tell most people are done with discussion when no has bother yet with this... low hanging fruit of a post. I'm not using the quote button because their are tabs and I'm not going to bother editing to try to make it look nice. 

 

"I mean, 11 years later, and the coping never change.  NaruSaku isn't the only paying customer. SasuSaku, NaruHina, SasuNaru, and every single character fandom are all part of Naruto's paying customer base. Don't try to give more importance to the Non Canon NaruSaku fandom who still exists in other places."
 
Naruto-Boruto has been largely irrelevant for the past decade. It barely makes any headline or has any notoriety other than the embarrassment of how far it has fallen. SasuNaru fans hated the ending and everything after. They did not like Naruto ending up with Sakura but they accepted it while whining about heteronormativity. Sasuke and Naruto are miserable loser Post-Ending, why would they support that?
 
nH/SS have taken big hits to their prestige. Hinata's movie was insignificant compared to its peers. While SS's manga was not even half of Boruto's numbers. Those pairing have come to represent the decline of the franchise.
 
Under NS it was a international best seller for 15 years. Under nH/SS its a pathetic has been of a flop that most people don't care about for likely 15 years.
 
"A 15-year story was ruined just because your pairing didn't become canon and Naruto lost his "trophy girl"? 
First of all, I don't give a damn about NaruSaku anymore, and I'm not even a fan of the Naruto character."
 
There are more to the problems with Naruto's ending than the pairing, but why bother explaining you won't listen like always. It quite clear you never cared about anything other than "dreamy bad boy only I can fix." That's not even in the manga or anime and solely exist in your head.
 
"But Naruto's goal and the manga's main point wasn't about him getting into Sakura's pants and making babies. His main objective was to become Hokage and to save and be recognized by Sasuke. Naruto got exactly what he wanted in the end. Families and children were just a bonus to complete the characters' life cycles."

 

And what's that point of him becoming Hokage? What did he accomplish? Why was it important to the story and its world Naruto became Hokage other marking off a box under character goals? Also, you are quite happy that Sakura's only goal was to get into Sasuke's pants and pop out babies. The Double Standards.

 

"A couple doesn't change anything about the manga. When Kishimoto wants to make a retcon or a bad decision, no editor can stop him. The thing is, all the NaruSaku arguments, especially the one blaming editors and popularity, don't make sense to begin with.

No editor forced Kishimoto to make Sakura's feelings for Sasuke a central part of her character. No editor forced Kishimoto to have Hinata confess in what was, at that point, Naruto's most important fight when she could have easily been forgotten. Even Neji was killed to bring them together."
 
Kishimoto gave into pressure constantly.
 
Neji was killed because a SP employee would not stop kittening at Kishimoto till he killed him. His Blood being turned into the red string of nH was after the fact to put Hinata somewhere since her original story was to end up with Neji to end the clan branch seal system.
 
The editor actually did order Kishimoto to have Hinata involve herself in the Pain fight. Then declared she was the new heroine replacing Sakura. That was the start of this mess.
 
Kishimoto himself has stated in numerous interviews he changed the end pairing because he was told Sakura was too hated to be the heroine.
 
Any change in the story, can affect the story...Will I have to eventually explain something like fire is hot to you at some point? When you switch out a pairing that has been developed for hundreds of chapters for two that one was barely developed because the writer never got the appeal and hated the other but now has to pretend that there was an romance in it. That affects the story.
 
Sakura's story was she would start off with feelings for Sasuke, a crush turned into love due the Forehead comment by Naruto. Then by the ending, she would have gotten closer to Naruto to develop feelings for him, realize Sasuke didn't have feelings for her, and the reveal that the forehead comment would allow her to move on without any lingering feelings.
 
"Even when Naruto was just beginning and needed sales to survive, Kishimoto and Yahagi took their sweet time building everything, including pairings, despite demanding circumstances. When Naruto was selling millions just by sneezing, are NaruSaku shippers truly assuming that some supposedly biased editor or Pierrot "forced" the creator, the owner of the franchise, to do what they wanted? This is especially unbelievable at the end of the manga when Kishimoto was doing whatever he wanted. Or did some editor force Kishimoto to create Kaguya?"
 
Yes. Kaguya was created to tie the Hyuuga to the Sage's story to justify Hinata becoming the Heroine.
 
Romance is the last thing you focus on for a story focused on appealing to boys. Setting up the world, characters, action, and conflicts is more important. The boy getting the girl is generally a bonus for them. While for girls that the primary focus and goal of a story.
 
The Thing is it is traditional in Shounen for the main pairing not to get together till the ending. Will they or won't they BS is the standard. Granted most manga that do that, don't go on for 15 years, but that a failure of Kishimoto not the practice. 
 
"The idea that Kishimoto was forced to do anything is ridiculous. He is the creator and owner of the franchise. He had the final say on everything, including secondary plots like pairings. If he wanted to do NaruSaku, he could have. But he didn't. He chose to do SasuSaku and NaruHina because it was his plan. That was solely his decision. There are much worse things I can list besides Kaguya:"
 
The person with the ultimate final say is the CEO of Shueisha the owner of the magazine Naruto was published in.
 
"Let me guess... 11 years later, you still think Kishimoto will magically come back and admit he only made a mistake regarding the canon pairings? NaruSaku will get another ending, keeping everything exactly the same—like Kaguya, Sasuke vs. Naruto, Naruto still being Hokage, and (New) New Era, with the same couples and themes—but only with Sakura as Naruto's wife and Shinachiku fanmade as his son isntead of Boruto and Himawari and Sasuke alone? So yeah. It's better to move on.
 
The canon couples are heavily promoted as part of the merchandise, anime, and other products precisely because they are canon. It's time to recognize this, as these couples will remain canon for the next 10, 20, and 100 years. Kishimoto isn't going to magically retcon his own manga to please a few shippers who haven't moved on and are still mad about the ending.
 
Nobody is promoting or remembering a Fanon pairing anymore. At this point, you don't even have this old "NaruSaku"" merch anymore."

 

...You were really hung up on Kaguya while typing this post. Why is that? Are you internally questioning why she exist or not and trying to convince yourself of something? Here, let me help you along. Madara was Sasuke if Naruto gave up on him. Obito was Naruto if Sasuke killed Sakura. Kaguya was the Hyuuga clan's evil ancestor. There was no villain in the final arc tied to Sakura because she was removed as the heroine...also Kishimoto has always had issue keeping her involved in the plot.

 

There would be more to fix than just the pairing. Though compare and contrast those 15 years to the last 11, it will help. Yes, when NS was the intended pairing they made merch for it and when it stopped being the pairing they stopped making merch. We are getting close to "fire is hot" territory. Unless you have figures of during and post Naruto for merchandise sales it is just speculating. 

 

"Nobody cares about Boruto, neither fans of the canon couples nor other fandoms, because of its trash art and story.
 
Even if NaruSaku had become canon 11 years ago, you would still have a forced, trash sequel from Shueisha, written by a poor assistant who didn't have enough talent to release his own manga.
 
Kishimoto wanted to end Naruto with Naruto Gaiden and Boruto: Naruto the Movie as the final chapter after chapter 700. However, after the movie's success in 2015, Shueisha and all the sponsors forced him to accept a manga about Boruto. Kishimoto rejected the idea, so Shueisha hired Ikemoto, who they believed had the talent to take over the sequel since he was Kishimoto's former assistant."
 
Pretty sure a few years ago on this site you were begging Kishimoto to come in a take over from Ikemoto to fix Boruto as its tied to your pairings.
 
Again. Boruto existed to continue making profits from Naruto and the pairing nH/SS because they were told it was popular. Once that decisions was made near the end of Naruto Kishimoto handed over the responsibility to Ikemoto. I wanted to say that was always the plan but then i realize you would take that as Kishimoto planned that from the Start of Naruto. The gaiden was NEVER intended as the ending for Naruto. Even then, if we pretend it is, Kishimoto made it a miniseries because he wanted to refute the claims that he was sexist; it was originally going to be a one shot like the one Cups got.. Now as a writer, why would Kishimoto hand over his story when he could finally write about the perfect romances of nH/SS and their perfect families. It almost as if he had no interest what so ever in them and only put them together because he was told they were popular and therefore more money....didn't work out but still.
 
Kishimoto like many mangaka was constantly under pressure to keep his manga going once it became a hit.
 
"Kishimoto gave an interview last year and made it clear that he has absolutely nothing to do with the Boruto manga. He doesn't regret the canon pairings, so he isn't going to change his manga's ending. As Kishimoto said, he was totally responsible for Naruto, just as Ikemoto is for Boruto.
 
Boruto is important as GT. Nobody cares aside the few new Boruto Fans."
 
He is a supervisor of the Boruto manga and constantly gives advice if Ikemoto asks him to help him out. He just doesn't lord over him and constantly making demands because that what happened to him during Naruto and he disliked it. 
 
Boruto is the officially recognize by the author sequel to Naruto like Super is to Dragon Ball. It is not an anime only spin off like GT. If he is backing away from Boruto being canon as you present it that only shows how bad Boruto is, and the problem for you is that your pairing exist for that manga. nH/SS were made the end pairings because they wanted a sequel that would make them the most money and they were told it was with those two pairings.

In Topic: Boruto: Two Blue Vortex Chapter (8)1

29 August 2025 - 12:52 PM

That felt for once that was an end of arc instead of an never ending continuation. So this chapter as its own post.

 

Summary Time: Chapter 25. Those Girls...oh god is this a breather chapter.

 

Cover page is Kurama and the Daughter...How OLD is she, 13 or so? Ikemoto clearly traced an adult or late teen for this cover page and didn't adjust any of the proportions. So the daughter has the face of a eight year old on the body of an eighteen year old.

 

So we finally see how you are suppose to release someone from the tree with the Soul Bulb...wait you inject into the tree? Then, it merges with the tree and release the person...What? Konohamaru hugs her while the daughter, her students, and Bolt watch granted Bolt is in the air.

 

Kankuro updates Shikamaru on Gaara he is out but in a coma.

 

Sakura is once again used to give an update on Moegi's health...don't worry she not going to be doing anything important despite being the greatest healer in the world she is just acting like a nurse. If there is any research to be done it will be done by the brilliant Ikemoto scientist Madoc. Moegi is fine besides what amounts to mild malnutrition due to her chakra being drained... now someone told me that logically that should mean Sasuke should be dead due to starvation. They are correct, but its clear that is not what the story is implying. The people in the tree are in no real threat and are just in stasis. Therefore, removing the last interesting aspect of the entire premise. It is actually impressive how badly Ikemoto screws up the "capture friends to create evil clones" bit. Oh no people we should care about are be captured and turned into evil clone/minions! Well besides Sasuke all of them are just minor character to literally whose. Not helped that Ikemoto's art is completely different from Kishimoto and two of the characters he chose he barely used leading to instead of horror of "Oh No, they got turned into a minion," its the confusion of "wait, who are they?"  Do they taunt the cast with person knowledge coming from the original's memories corrupted by the clone's evil. The clones have barely any understanding or knowledge from the original. Ok, do they at least have multiple appearances/interaction to build up drama by interacting with people that cared about the original? Beside Sasuke's and the Big Bad it clear that they will only have a battle which they are defeat and the person is restored. And with how tedious Ikemoto makes everything, you do not want multiple encounters as it will just drag the story to a halt. How do they free them, what happens to them if the clone is defeat, are there any risk, can anything go wrong, and how difficult is it to free the original? Told almost immediately after their introduction. You need to defeat them to get the soul bulb. Are the capture people in danger of being absorb and permanently killed? Is there any time limit/race against the clock? Nope. You could wait a hundred years and they'd be fine. Impressive. 

 

The Clone and Salad talk about how they both like Bolt and they are both going to pursue him romantically. While Hime watches like a creep and wants to have girl talks with them. This actually is most of the chapter. It just isn't interesting.

 

The daughter trains with Kurama in her mental space. Kurama tells she has to relearn how to fight as a personification of chakra in Human form. Bolt watches his sister then has a talk with his own guest, Femmy. Femmy laments his situation and makes it clear he is just waiting for Bolt to die...so again the threat of him taking over Bolt has been removed...why does Nail want to kill him again? Bolt wants to make a deal with him for power.