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#649023 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 04:09 PM

Why are people taking this so seriously? I know it sucks that the "Official ending" isn't what we wanted but Kishi already showed throughout the entire war that this Epilouge is impossible and completely OOC.
Sasuke:
He had Sasuke literally say things like "You want me to play at romance? I have no reason to like her and she has no reason to like me." and talking about how Naruto is his only friend, the only person left he has a bond with, and if he kills him he'll be all alone. Not to mention calling her useless and saying (and showing) multiple times he couldn't care less if she died.
Sakura:
Her fake smile for Sasuke returning, the fact that durning the entire time Naruto was dying (even when Madara, Obito, and Black Zetsu were all standing in front of her with Naruto unconsious) she never once even though about Sasuke. Consistently showing she cared more about Naruto's dreams (even after Sasuke said he was going to be Hokage she still supported it as Naruto's dream that she believed in) and opinions (when Sasuke said he didn't care if she died she looked sad, when Naruto started to agree she looked horrified), as well as believing in him more (when both Naruto and Sasuke were fighting Obito and Naruto started unconsciously healing Shikamaru, she said something like "You should leave this to us, and focus on what only you can do."). Then there's when her and Obito were trying to save Sasuke from Kaguya's dimension. After she got hit by the acid and Obito told her to take a break, her reason for not doing that was "We can't waste this chance Naruto gave us." (instead of "we have to save Sasuke no matter what.) Obito even commented on it. And then of course Kakashi saying her fellings for Sasuke were different than back in the day (when she openly loved him) and "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you hers! She only wants to save you!".
Naruto:
Telling his dead dad she was his girlfriend, telling him his love life wasn't going well but HE WAS STILL TRYING HIS BEST (yet doesn't even try after 698) (if it was Hinata he wouldn't be having problems considering she's obsessed with him). A Databook that just came out on Tuesday (made by Kishi) that says Naruto still loves Sakura. Bringing up the POAL before he fought Sasuke, having a conveniently placed flash back (Sakura fangirling over Sasuke, with Naruto standing back looking upset) when he's thinking about losing to Sasuke and wanting to beat him.
The characters in 699/700 clearly aren't the ones he's been writing for the past 15 years over 698 chapters. He went out of his way to make that perfectly clear by having Naruto of all people making his son feel lonely and neglected, and then telling him to deal with it and suck it up. That completely goes against the point of the first chapter with Iruka, along with Naruto's character itself. On top of that he went out of his way to make it ridiculous and even add in NS/SK hints:
Garaa's hair, fat Anko, ChojixKarui (who have never been shown to have met or have anything in common, not to mention being from different villages) and they're weird kid, Sai ending up with someone he thinks is ugly and having a creppy alien kid, Naruto's odd kids (especially the daughter), and then the fact that Sakura looks more like Kushina than ever (he made her and Naruto the same height as MK and gave her Kushina's bangs in "The Last" and even gave her the hair clip in the Epilouge) and SS's kids looks like Karin.
Add all of that to the fact that he says he had to "sorrowfully" "accept" this ending (you don't have to accept your own story) and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly." blatantly shows he was forced to make an ending he didn't want (NH/SS) hence why he went out of his way to make it impossible in recent chapters, make all the characters OOC, added in NS/SK hints, and even sabatoged them by making all of the horrible character designs for the kids that they'll have to use for Part 3 now.
We may not have won the "official ending" and it sucks, but it's clear it's not the ending he wanted and that he was forced to "accept" it. Most likely SP (for the movie) and whoevers making Part 3 wanted to continue it from a NH/SS ending and forced to do it. Even then he went out of his way to make it as stupid and ridiculous as possible, to show the fans we shouldn't take it seriously. Regardless of what he was forced to make, we should be happy with the fact that (from all 698 chapters of the manga, the hints left in the Epilouge, and Kishi's words showing he disappointed about this NH/SS ending) NS was clearly intended to be end game by Kishi.
There's no reason to bash the characters (who were purposefully made OOC), Kishi (who had to "accept" this and didn't like it), or the series (no reason to let 44 pages and a movie ruin a 698 chapter, 15 year old series just because the author was forced to change his ending). Just view 699/700 as non canon and be happy that Kishi (the creator and author) is unhappy with a NH/SS ending and intended it to be NS.


#648810 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 02:30 PM

Just thought I'd repost this for anyone that wants to find some happiness out of all of this and look at the situation logically:


Come on guys, you know darn well this isn't what Kishi was planning. We've got scenes from the War arc like:
-Sakura's fake smile for Sasuke returning.
-When Naruto's dying, Sakura doesn't mention, or even think of Sasuke once. Even when Madara, Obito, and Black Zetsu are all standing in front of her, never once does she think "Wait, if they're all here and Naruto's unconscious, where's Sasuke?".
-Sasuke willing to cut her in half to get to Madara.
-Sasuke calling her useless (again).
-Sasuke saying he couldn't care less if she died.
-Sakura looking sad when Sasuke says it, yet looking like she just got slapped when Naruto started to agree.
-Sasuke not even trying to save her or Kakashi from the lava.
-Sasuke straight out saying "You want me to play at romance? I have no reason to like her and she has no reason to like me.".
-That being followed up by Kakashi saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you her's! She only wants to save you!". Along with his previously statement saying that her feeling were different than before (before being when she confessed she was in love with him back in Part 1).
-Sasuke saying multiple times (both to Naruto and in his own mind) that Naruto is his only friend, the only person he has a bond with, and that if he kills him he'll be all alone.
SS literally couldn't be shown anymore dead than that. And from Naruto we've got:
-Girlfriend comment.
-Saying his love life wasn't going good but he was still trying (yet in 699/700 he completely gives up and doesn't mention it once). Clearly if he loved Hinata he wouldn't be having problems considering she's obsessed with him.
-A recent Databook Kishi worked on that says Naruto still loves Sakura.
Yet in the epilogue NH/SS magically happen out of nowhere. Yet along with that he heavily messes with the characters, makes it seems stupid, and even leaves NS/SK hints:
-Makes ChojixKarui (who have never even been shown to have met or have anything in common) canon just so he can make there weird daughter.
-Make Sai's kid look like some freaky alien.
-Make Naruto's kids (especially the daughter look odd).
-Makes Anko fat (WTH?)
-Has Naruto of all people make his son feel lonely and neglected, and then basically tells him to get over it and suck it up.
-Has most people in the epilogue seem unhappy or depressed.
-Makes Sakura look more like Kushina than ever (makes her the same height and gives her her bangs in "The Last" and even gives her the hair clip in the epilouge).
-Makes SS's kid look like Karin.
Now match all of that up with his interview saying he had to "accept" the ending, that it brought him "sorrowful" feeling, and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly.".
It seems pretty darn obvious that SP (who are making the movie with him) and whoever the heck is making Part 3 wanted to continue from a NH/SS ending and forced him into it. Yet even so, he still continued to write it the way he wanted to up until 698, and then purposefully made the NH/SS epilogue overly disappointing and ridiculous to show the fans that it's not the way he wanted it to go.
Just to be clear, I'm not one of the people trying to say there's still hope for a NS ending or something like that. I'm simply saying that the NH/SS ending we did get is something Kishi had to "accept" that made him feel disappointed.
What I'm trying to say is that Kishi was pushed or forced into making a NH/SS ending that he didn't like, then purposefully made it overly ridiculous with NS/SK hints in it. From that, logic, and the first 698 chapters of the manga itself make it clear that NS was intended to be end game but was forcibly changed for the ending. Therefore you should consider 699/700 as non canon, consider 698 as the last chapter, and make your own assumption from there based on the manga and that fact that Kishi had to "sorrowfully" "accept" a NH/SS ending and even then made it depressing and added NS/SK hints to it. It's clear that the official ending and the ending Kishi intended are two completely different things.


#648104 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 06:32 AM

Come on guys, you know darn well this isn't what Kishi was planning. We've got scenes from the War arc like:
-Sakura's fake smile for Sasuke returning.
-When Naruto's dying, Sakura doesn't mention, or even think of Sasuke once. Even when Madara, Obito, and Black Zetsu are all standing in front of her, never once does she think "Wait, if they're all here and Naruto's unconscious, where's Sasuke?".
-Sasuke willing to cut her in half to get to Madara.
-Sasuke calling her useless (again).
-Sasuke saying he couldn't care less if she died.
-Sakura looking sad when Sasuke says it, yet looking like she just got slapped when Naruto started to agree.
-Sasuke not even trying to save her or Kakashi from the lava.
-Sasuke straight out saying "You want me to play at romance? I have no reason to like her and she has no reason to like me.".
-That being followed up by Kakashi saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you her's! She only wants to save you!". Along with his previously statement saying that her feeling were different than before (before being when she confessed she was in love with him back in Part 1).
-Sasuke saying multiple times (both to Naruto and in his own mind) that Naruto is his only friend, the only person he has a bond with, and that if he kills him he'll be all alone.
SS literally couldn't be shown anymore dead than that. And from Naruto we've got:
-Girlfriend comment.
-Saying his love life wasn't going good but he was still trying (yet in 699/700 he completely gives up and doesn't mention it once). Clearly if he loved Hinata he wouldn't be having problems considering she's obsessed with him.
-A recent Databook Kishi worked on that says Naruto still loves Sakura.
Yet in the epilogue NH/SS magically happen out of nowhere. Yet along with that he heavily messes with the characters, makes it seems stupid, and even leaves NS/SK hints:
-Makes ChojixKarui (who have never even been shown to have met or have anything in common) canon just so he can make there weird daughter.
-Make Sai's kid look like some freaky alien.
-Make Naruto's kids (especially the daughter look odd).
-Makes Anko fat (WTH?)
-Has Naruto of all people make his son feel lonely and neglected, and then basically tells him to get over it and suck it up.
-Has most people in the epilogue seem unhappy or depressed.
-Makes Sakura look more like Kushina than ever (makes her the same height and gives her her bangs in "The Last" and even gives her the hair clip in the epilouge).
-Makes SS's kid look like Karin.
Now match all of that up with his interview saying he had to "accept" the ending, that it brought him "sorrowful" feeling, and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly.".
It seems pretty darn obvious that SP (who are making the movie with him) and whoever the heck is making Part 3 wanted to continue from a NH/SS ending and forced him into it. Yet even so, he still continued to write it the way he wanted to up until 698, and then purposefully made the NH/SS epilogue overly disappointing and ridiculous to show the fans that it's not the way he wanted it to go.
Just to be clear, I'm not one of the people trying to say there's still hope for a NS ending or something like that. I'm simply saying that the NH/SS ending we did get is something Kishi had to "accept" that made him feel disappointed.
What I'm trying to say is that Kishi was pushed or forced into making a NH/SS ending that he didn't like, then purposefully made it overly ridiculous with NS/SK hints in it. From that, logic, and the first 698 chapters of the manga itself make it clear that NS was intended to be end game but was forcibly changed for the ending. Therefore you should consider 699/700 as non canon, consider 698 as the last chapter, and make your own assumption from there based on the manga and that fact that Kishi had to "sorrowfully" "accept" a NH/SS ending and even then made it depressing and added NS/SK hints to it. It's clear that the official ending and the ending Kishi intended are two completely different things.


#647944 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 05:38 AM

699-700 will never be canon to me.

Agreed. It's obviously not what Kishi had been building up to. He literally just killed SS on both sides a few chapters ago (multiple times from Sasuke), yet they're canon in the epilogue? I think it's obvious SP (for the movie) and whoever's doing Part 3 wanted to continue it with NH/SS, so they forced him to end it that way. That's we we get his statement saying he had to "accept" the final story, that it brings "sorrowful" feelings, and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly." "Nevertheless" being important. It's pretty clear this isn't the ending he wanted, and obvious from manga chapters 1-698 not what he was building up to. That's why he went out of his way to kill SS off before the end to show how stupid it becoming canon is. It's also probably the reason why he screwed with the series (Garaa's hair, ChojixKarui's kid, Sai's alien kid, Naruto's kids, Naruto of all people making his son feel lonely and neglected, just to tell him to sick it up, the whole epilogue itself seeming depressing ect.) Now whoever makes Part 3 has to use these designs and go off of this ending. It seems like his final revenge for them making him scrap his ending to a 698 chapter series he's worked on for 15 years.
Even then he leaves in NS/SK hints. Sakura looks more like Kushina than ever (in "The Last" she's the same height and gets her bangs, and in the epilogue she even gets the hair clip), and SS's kid looks like Karin.
All of this makes it pretty clear to see this isn't Kishi's intended ending and makes it easy to consider 699/700 non canon. In which we get left with the other 698 chapters (along with the hints from Sakura in "The Last" and the epilogue) which make it clear NS was meant to be end game up until the very end.


#647891 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 05:17 AM

Omg..
 
This kid looks EXACTLY like Sasuke and Karin's kid. Please tell me this is a joke, what a giant FU to the SS to have their kids look EXACTLY like Karin, the only pairing that had more chances than SS. NH as well, because their kids don't look as good and don't have the OP power they expected. Everyone was let down, smh. 

That was my point. He made SS kid look like Karin, he made Sakura look more like Kushina (gave her the same height and bangs in "The Last" and even the hair clip in the epilogue), made Naruto of all people make his son feel lonely and neglected, and then basically tells him to sick it up, made all the kids ugly (there's literally no other reason to pair Choji with Karui or make Sai's kid look like an alien), made Anko fat for no reason, and made the whole epilogue seem depressing.
In the chapters leading up to the epilogue NS was practically canon and SS was about as dead as possible (Sasuke says he couldn't care less if she died, specifically says "I have no reason to like her.", and says both to Naruto and in his own head that Naruto's the only person left he considers a friend and has any bond with. Kishi even had Kakashi say "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you her's! She only wants to save you!". He killed off SS from both sides, yet it's canon in the epilogue.
Then we have his statement on the last chapter saying he "accepted" the last story, that it brings "sorrowful" feelings, and in response to that says "NEVERTHELESS, I can speak clearly.".
His part in the series ends with the manga. After that the rights to the series are being given to someone else for Part 3. Whoever has to do with Part 3 obviously wanted to continue the series with a NH/SS ending, so they made him end it that way. Hence him "accepting" the end.
Yet he wanted to make it clear that it's not what he wanted and because of that made the epilogue ridiculous and nonsensical. He even still left hints to NS/SK. He has Sakura with the same bangs, hair clip, and height as Kushina and made SS's kid look like Karin.
Even without his statement it's obvious that this isn't the ending he was building up to. Now this just confirms even further that he's disappointed about it and had to "accept" it.
So basically, he still had NS planned for the end but SP (for the movie and anime) and SJ (for Part 3) forced him to end it with NH/SS instead. That's the only possible way to look at all of this besides just "Kishi sucks! He ruined everything!".


#647789 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 04:40 AM

Wait, I don't get it, how does what he said make it seem like he was forced to do this? ._.

You don't have to "accept" a story you created. He has sorrowful feelings about it, and in response to that said "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly.". It seems pretty obvious that he was disappointed about it. That's why (like I said in the post) he made multiple scenes of killing off SS from both sides in the recent chapters. It also explains why he made the end so horrible. His part of the series is done, but there's still the anime, the movie, and Part 3. Now they have to use his crappy designs for the kids for Part 3. Why else would he pair up Choji and Karui, make Sai's kid look like an alien, fat Anko, Sakura looking even more like Kushina, SS's kid looking more like Karin ect.? It's like his revenge on them for making him do this. He wanted to make it clear that this isn't what he was planning (which is obvious just from reading the manga).


#647759 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 07 November 2014 - 04:29 AM

Just thought I'd post this again:
First of all Kishi's quote about the ending:
"In accepting the final story, there are mixed feelings, both happy and sorrowful. Nevertheless, Im able to speak clearly, thank you to all the readers. To the end, I truly thank you. Otsukaresama dattebayo!!"
Which pretty much confirms what I thought:
He was forced to end it with NH/SS (whether by his editors or SP) and that's why he went out of his way to make it seem ridiculous. That's why he:
-Constantly showed Sasuke insulting Sakura, saying he couldn't care less if she died, specifically saying he had no reason to like her, saying (even to himself in his own head) that Naruto's his only friend and the only person he has a bond with ect.
-Having Kakashi say "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you hers! She only wants to save you!".
-Going out of his way to make the last two chapters stupid and ridiculous (Garaa's hair, fat Anko, Sai an Choji's kids, Naruto's kids, Naruto of all people making his son feel lonely and neglected, then telling him to suck it up ect.)
-And even then leaving hints to show it's not what he wanted. Naruto (and most other people) not seeming very happy in life, Sakura looking even more like Kushina (Made her the same height in and gave her the same bangs in "The Last", and even gave her the hair clip in the epilogue), SS's kid lookin more like Karin ect.
It's like it was his way of saying "This isn't what I wanted, so I'll make it extra stupid and pathetic so people will realize it.".
So basically I just adds to my argument that 699/700 aren't canon and the NS was meant as end game right until the end.


#646963 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 11:35 PM

Can someone post Kishi's final words, please?

"In accepting the final story, there are mixed feelings, both happy and sorrowful. Nevertheless, Im able to speak clearly, thank you to all the readers. To the end, I truly thank you. Otsukaresama dattebayo!!"
Which, as I said above, pretty much confirms he was forced to make NH/SS, and that's why he went out of his way to repeatedly show SS was dead on both sides and them make the epilogue as stupid and ridiculous as possible as a way to say "This isn't what I wanted, so I'll make this extra stupid so people realize this.".


#646930 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 11:25 PM


Kishimoto's final author comment. I apologize if this has been posted already.
 
 
There is no doubt with this comment that his editors made him change his original vision for the ending. Either way I am disappointed in him for giving in and won't accept any excuses that he comes up with.

Well, that pretty much confirms what I was thinking. He was forced to end it with NH/SS (whether by his editors or SP) and that's why he went out of his way to make it seem ridiculous. That's why he:
-Constantly showed Sasuke insulting Sakura, saying he couldn't care less if she died, specifically saying he had no reason to like her, saying (even to himself in his own head) that Naruto's his only friend and the only person he has a bond with ect.
-Having Kakashi say "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you hers! She only wants to save you!".
-Going out of his way to make the last two chapters stupid and ridiculous (Garaa's hair, fat Anko, Sai an Choji's kids, Naruto's kids, Naruto of all people making his son feel lonely and neglected, then telling him to suck it up ect.)
-And even then leaving hints to show it's not what he wanted. Naruto (and most other people) not seeming very happy in life, Sakura looking even more like Kushina (Made her the same height in and gave her the same bangs in "The Last", and even gave her the hair clip in the epilogue), SS's kid lookin more like Karin ect.
It's like it was his way of saying "This isn't what I wanted, so I'll make it extra stupid and pathetic so people will realize it.".
So basically I just adds to my argument that 699/700 aren't canon and the NS was meant as end game right until the end.


#645930 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 06:32 PM

I just want to know: What was it all for then?
Why even have all of these NS moments in the manga? Why ignore NH for virtually the entirety of part 2 to only have it become canon in the end? Why put so much emphasis on Kushina's words? Why even have her say "find a girl like me" in the first place if Naruto was not going to? Why?

IMO its because the series he was writing up until 698 and these last two chapters are different things. If you remember, back after the Pain arc he said he had the ending all figured out. Yet years later, he started making "The Last" with SP. I think they talked him into doing it this way (for the money, movie, Part 3, merchandizing), but he still wanted to write his own series. That's why up until 698 NS was practically canon and SS was about as dead as possible. That was supposed to be the end but then he switched it out with what we got the movie and Part 3. That's why it's so horrible and OOC.
That's also why it's easy for me to consider it non canon, view 698 as the last chapter (with Naruto saving the world, saving Sasuke, and fulfilling the POAL to Sakura), and just make my own conclusion from there. I won't let 44 pages and a movie ruin and entire 15 year old, 698 chapter series.
At this point I'm just hoping Kishi comes out and admits this wasn't how he intended it, and explain his original plans so we can get closure and the ending we deserved.


#645745 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 05:43 PM

after kishi makes a public apology and retcons this crap of an ending, he needs to be banned from writing.

In all honesty do you think he'll do that? I think he only made this ending because of the movie and Part 3. That's why it's so random and OOC. Up through 698 he was still writing it the way he wanted, but he had to change it at the end for the movie and Part 3. I think it's possible he might admit in some interview that this isn't what he intended and explain what he actually had planned.


#645608 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 05:11 PM

Guys I just thought of something. If Kishi's been working on the movie for the past year or so, he had to know the ending in advance, so why all the NS hints and lack of character conclusions. Something must have changed recently right? What do you think he was thinking all this time?

Well if you want my opinion her it is:
Way back at the end of the Pain arc Kishi said he had the end all figured out, and he just had to get there. However years later he started working on "The Last" with SP, who are MAJOR Hinata fans. I think they talked him into making the movie, Part 3 and the Epilouge like this (obviously for money and merchandizing). Even it even though he agreed to it, he still wanted to write the story his way. So up until 698, he still wrote it the way had intended to from the Pain arc. Then for these last 44 pages he switched to SP's ending and changed it from a happy NS ending to a horrible, depressing NH/SS ending. That's why it seems so random, ridiculous, and OOC, because it is. It's not his intended end for the series, but he did it anyway for the money. There's more than enough proof for that with all the NS moments and Anti SS moments from the war. Literally within the last 5 chapters Kakashi's saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to be yours!" and Sasuke's saying things like "I have no reason to like her" and "Naruto's my only friend, if I break my bond with him I'll be all alone.".
That's why I refuse to accept this as the actual end. I won't bash the characters or the series (I'll just bash Kishi instead), because I don't consider it canon. There's no way I'll let 2 chapters and a movie ruin a 15 year old, 698 chapter series.
The only things I'm looking forward to now are either Kishi making an alternate NS ending (highly unlikely) or at least coming out and admitting this wasn't how he planned it and explaining himself.
Until then, NS is still the only pairing in the series that makes sense, and NH/SS are still disgusting.


#645499 Chapters 699 And 700 The End

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 04:40 PM

I'm not sure why people are bashing or defending Naruto and Sakura. There's no reason to defend them considering Kishi completely ruined their entire characters. Yet for that same reason, there's no reason to bash them either. 699/700 seem so ridiculous and OOC because they are. This clearly wasn't meant to be the follow up to chapter 698. This clearly isn't what Kishi had in mind back in the Pain arc when he said he had the ending figured out. Instead, this is what SP and his editors talked him into when the started making the god awful movie. Even then, IMO, he still continued to write up to 698 the way he originally intended, and then switched to this at the end for the money (movie, merchandizing, Part 3). That's why it's so OOC, because it's not what he was bailing up to. There's no way he chose to make all the MK Paralles, all the hints and foreshadowing of Sakura's feeling, all the development NS got together ect. And then end it like this.
Because of that, I won't bash, defend, or feel anything at all to this ending. It's not the ending Kishi built up to, so it's not the ending I'll except. For me, I'll consider 698 the end and make my own assumptions from there. There's no way I'll let 44 pages and a movie ruin a 15 year old, 698 chapter series for me. I'm just waiting and hoping for Kishi to come out and admit this isn't how he intended it, and explain himself so we can get closure and get the ending we deserved.
I mean, I didn't even seem like he was happy about it. He wrote Naruto's son felling neglected just like he was, just to have Naruto basically say "Suck it up", he didn't show Naruto and Hinata together, he didn't show Sakura and Sasuke together, he made Naruto's kids (especially the daughter) seriously ugly, and he gave SS's kid Karin's glasses.
And while I honestly don't have much hope for this, I think I'd be cool if after Part 3 and the movie (after he's made all his money off of them) if he made an alternate ending with NS as the ending he originally intended.


#644900 NaruSaku - The Build Up!

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 02:25 PM

all this was a sibilings relationship for the author :zaru:

All jokes aside I think it's pretty clear NS is how it was meant to end. Everything up through 698 makes that obvious. That's why 699/700 seems so ridiculous and OOC. He changed everything at the very end for Part 3, merchandizing, and basically just more money. I just hope he comes out and admits that.
Even so, there's no way I'll let 44 pages and a movie ruin the entire series. This thread proves how it was meant to be and how stupid Kishi's ending is.


#642180 Chapters 699+700 spoilers

Posted by NarutoFan0304 on 06 November 2014 - 05:17 AM

First of all I'll say that the pictures and spoilers seem legit, and IT is very unlikely IMO. I personally think NH/SS are canon and that's that. Even so, it doesn't bother me as much as I thought. These last two chapter and the movie seem so OOC and ridiculous (did you Sai's kid? Choji's? Naruto's? Sakura's looked like Karin? Garaa's freaking hair?) that I'm glad NS didn't get ruined by it. I honestly think the way he planned to end it (like he said after the Pain fight) and the way home and SP decided to end it for the movie are two completely different endings. The way he planned to end it was NS, and pretty much the way everything's went up until now. However for the movie and Part 3, (basically all for more money and merchandizing) he had to end it differently. That's why it seems so odd and OOC. Up until now (698) he's written it the way he wanted to. So now that he has to change it for the movie and Part 3, it makes no sense and looks stupid.
Because of all that (not to mention just how horrible and ridiculous it is) it's made it pretty easy for me to consider all of this non canon. For me, the last chapter is 698 with him finally saving Sasuke and fulfilling his promise. I'll just make my own conclusion and assumptions from there. I refuse to allow Two chapters and a movie ruin a fifteen year old, 600+ chapter series. My main hope right now is that Kishi comes out and admits this, so we can get closure and even feel like we won.
Even still, this is disgusting. If they've been making the movie since 2012, that means all of this has been planned out since then. Why troll us with:
-Naruto's girlfriend comment.
-Minato confirming Sakura as the "girl like Kushina".
-Sakura's fake smile for Sasuke.
-CPR scene (which was not only a huge NS moment, but he even went out of his way to show Hinata failing to get to him).
-Sakura constantly shown being more worried about Naruto than Sasuke, believing in Naruto more than Sasuke, caring about Naruto's opinion on her more than Sasuke's ect.
-Having Sasuke shoot down SS multiple times (He only saves her and Kakashi from IT because they're beside Naruto, would willingly let them fall in the lava, says he couldn't care less if they died or not, was willing to cut through her to get to Madara, continues to call her useless, put her in a Genjutsu where he stabs her in the heart, specifically rejects her and says he has no reason to like her, and says both to Naruto and himself that he's his only friend, and that if he kills him, he'll have no bonds left and will be all alone).
-Having Kakashi say her feeling for Sasuke are different, and even saying "Sakura's not trying or wanting to be yours! She only wants to save you!"
He even set it up for the perfect NS moment with Naruto finally fulfilling his promise and being able to confess.
And why in the world give Sakura Kushina's hairstyle (the bangs for the movie and even the hair clip in the epilouge), make Naruto/Sakura the same height as Minato/Kushina, and even have a commercial tease Naruto's attraction to Sakura if it turns out NH/SS?
On that same note, NH was bad enough (not only does it kill NS, but I specifically can't stand Hinata), but SS?! Seriously?! One a moral level SS is already horrible (all he ever does is abuse her, mentally and physically, and even tried to kill her himself multiple times), but even more so he literally spent the entire War arc since Sasuke got there showing that he couldn't care less about her and that he couldn't care less if she died or not. Now we're getting some crazy forehead scene and the two of them with a kid in the epilouge? What?! Really?! In what world does that make sense?
Anyway, like I said, I refuse to let 44 pages and a 110 movie ruin an entire series for me. To me NS is still the only logical pairing so that's what I'll go with. NaruSaku FTW! Screw you NH/SS!