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This interview, it is just........................................................................................yeah.  I think Kishi may have shot himself in the foot this time.  Scratch that, he blew his whole kittening leg off with that stunt.  If people(not the SS/NH fantards) read his future works after this pile of garbage, I have to question both their integrity and their intelligence.

Once my wife heard about the interview, she was REALLY pissed.  Abuse and stalking a somewhat sensitive topics with her, and for Kishi to try and justify this ending with that excuse he threw out there in the interview, she thinks it is a slap in the face of stalking and abuse victims.

...How is that disgusting?
 

Look, she has every right to continue to think like she is, and so do others, but you can't expect that your material won't bring about disagreement. Vocalized disagreement. She has her opinions and theories, but other people also have the right to tell her that they don't agree or even that she's wrong--- just like her theory is telling people like me that I must be blind and can't see that NS and SK are canon instead of SS and NH. I certainly dislike the latter two, but I think I'm intelligent enough to see panels/chapters for what it is.

Let me point you to this thread for some education:

http://www.narusaku....=14657&p=652930

Did you read this?  Good.  Let that sink in for a few minutes...............  Ok, now read it again, and let that sink in for a few minutes.

Now read what Chatte said here:

http://www.narusaku....ic=14640&page=1

Let me copy and paste the first part since you appear to have a problem with selective reading:

Disclaimer for those of you who come here with a certain intent:

I DON'T NEED ANY OF YOUR OPINIONS ON HOW I AM DELUDING MYSELF, BEING UNABLE TO MOVE ON OR WHATEVER CRAP YOU'RE GONNA INVOKE. I am perfectly aware of all this, it's JUST A kittening THEORY! DEAL WITH IT!

OK so now that you have read that, please explain what part of that you are having trouble following, and perhaps I can explain it to you so that you can understand.  At this point, all you are doing is harassing the people in this thread.  If you disagree with that last sentence, then look up the word harassment.  It is apparent that you do not agree with what Chatte is doing.  This thread is not affecting you in any way.  In fact, you made the conscious choice to come in and read this thread.  If you disagree, then do so and move on to something else, don't keep beating the participants over the head with it.  Chatte gets enough BS as it is.  Explain to me how this is any better than what the asshats on tumblr and elsewhere are doing to her.  In my eyes, you are no better than those rabid little NH/SS fanboys. 

@Chatte: don't let the detractors bother you.  This is supposed to be a haven for NS shippers.  If you can't feel safe here, then where can you?  I have already made my peace and moved on, but I would still like very much to read your theories.  I have seen a lot of strange things over the years(seriously, you would not believe some of the things I have seen) and your theories are not pulled out of nowhere.  There is logic and reason behind them.  So please, continue this thread.

I would like to help you guys out, but I am a tad busy this weekend doing stuff for the family.  I wish you all the best of luck with this.  There are a lot of people that are unhappy with this ending, not just NS shippers, but the fandom as a whole.  If the theory is proven true, then that would be just awesome.  This brings back memories of the fire that I had when I was in my 20s.  You guys just might reignite that fire again. 

Good recommendations everyone, I wish I had likes to give.

 

I am glad of you find my recommendations interesting.

 

So that you watched the -severaly cut and watered down- version of Mazinger when you were a kid? That is cool.

 

Well, if you want to check it, let me give you a tips:

 

Firstly, it is a series made for children and young teens. So keep in mind that.

 

Secondly, even though many people thinks (wrongly, IMO) that 70s mecha series were nothing but monster-of-the-week, plotless, light-hearted shows, the Go Nagai original manga was pretty dark. It also switched magazines during publishing, so that there are two tankobon compilations, and both have missing and arranged-out-of-order chapters. And some compilations published the final of the series in the first volume of the sequel (Great Mazinger). So you see, it is somewhat chaotic, although manageable. The anime adaptation is softer and lighter, but it changes the characters personalities (Kouji became a sexist jerk, Sayaka became more violent and angrier...), and it drags on after a while (it was supposed to be fifty-seven episodes-long, but it was lengthened due to the succes of the series). Some episodes are nothing but "Bad guys send another robot and good guys think of a tactic to destroy it", whereas others twisted the formule, advanced the plot or added more personal conflicts (believe it or not, some episodes dealt with bullying, parental abandonment...).

 

There are also another manga version because the editorial realized that two Mazinger mangas would bring more sales than a single one. It is written by Gosaku Ota and it kind of it is a manga adaptation of the anime. You do not need reading it, but it is noteworthy because it elaborated upon the motivations of the bad guys and gave them a backstory.

 

Great Mazinger and Grendizer are the sequels. Both have two manga versions -the original manga written by Go Nagai and the Ota version-. It is better watching the Grendizer anime because the Go Nagai manga only... stops. On the other hand, the Gosaku Ota manga ends... in an apocalyptical "let's kill almost everybody" fashion.

 

New Mazinger -or Mazinwarrior-, Mazin Saga, Z-Mazinger, Mazinkaiser, Shin Mazinger... are alternate stories, reimaginations or reboots. Shin Mazinger Zero is kind of another sequel, since Kouji is stuck into a time loop. The first chapters are pretty dark (honestly, it was like reading a blend of the original manga and End of Evangelion).

 

Moving on...

 

Dirty Pair is a hilarious sci-fi series, starred by two intergalactic crime solvers that tend to accidentally blew everything up as they are trying to solve a case. Rest assured that it has little romance. Key and Yuri's occasional dates are a source of comedy rather conflict.

 

I like Casshern/Casshan. The history of a boy-turned-robot to fight the robot army that has enslaved humanity, and who in turn is hated for the people that he is trying to protect ("Not all robots are bad", he says, but nobody listens). If you find it too old, there are newer versions with a different tone: Casshern Robot Hunter and Casshern Sins.

 

City Hunter is a comedy/action series starred by a private eye/hitman that is a riot. Ryo's personality has three settings: slobbering pervert, childish clown and badass (when he gets serious). It has romance, but not real love triangle. If you ship RyoxKaori, you are sure. There is NO asspulls here.

 

Battle Angel Alita/Gunnm is not a mecha series but it is cyberpunk sci-fi. If you like strong female characters and cyborgs with existential problems fighting bloody battles in a post-apocalyptic setting, I think that you will like this series. Note: the -flawed but good- ending of the original manga was changed because the author wanted to write a sequel. A lot of fans think that Last Order is way inferior.

 

More mecha series... Xabungle and Daitarn-3 are another Tomino mecha series. They are funny parodies of the genre.

 

Tomino also created L-Gaim, but... it is not bad, but it might be better. And I found the love triangle tedious. Let's tell the main female characters were turned into idiots when Daba -the main character- was in the vicinity.

 

Have you watched Escaflowne? Galient uses a similar idea (mechas in a medieval setting) I pretty liked it.

 

I see that you have already watched Robotech/Macross. Orguss is similar (it was meant to be the third super-dimension series after Macross and Southern Cross, actually), but I am not sure about it. The action is good, the machines are cool, but the love triangle is very annoying.

 

Another Seinen series that I like is Sanctuary. It is a political and yakuza drama.

 

Have you checked Berserk? It likes a lot of people, but I am not too enthused with it.

 

Saint Seiya is an mythology/action series where Greek and Norse gods choose human champions to fight their wars, train them to gain super-human abilities and grant them mystical armours. It is one of my favorite series since that I was a kid, and I love the concept, but it is very flawed. If you check it, I advice watching the Sanctuary anime adaptation, the Asgard arc filler, and then switching to the manga and reading the last two arcs (Poseidon and Hades).

 

I will give more recommendations when I have more time.

Haven't heard of some of these and now I am quite embarrassed.  I feel like I should know these.  Gonna check em out.  I am building quite the list here.  Gonna have to decide which ones to take up before work begins again. Maybe I will forget this nightmare that is Naruto before I know it.  Especially with some of the insight that some friends in the Literary/publishing industry have given me.  

We're all disappointed in this. I started this anime 10 years ago, and I have shipped NaruSaku hard everyday for these past 10 years. I was 8 at the time, so I started understanding love and how to care for women because of Naruto. The way Sakura would change when she was with Naruto was just a tearjerker. She was so cute, and Naruto knew how to make her feel like she was the best girl ever. Any girl would of left a guy (who only gave her something good looking to see) for a guy who was raising as the hero of the world, and featured unchallengeable love for her.

 

This love wasn't even brought back up. He never got to tell Sakura all about her forehead or anything. Nothing about how he saw his mother in her. Nothing about how she made his heart go crazy. Heck, Naruto doesn't even talk with Sasuke or Sakura anymore... Team 7 isn't back together. They split up all just because they grew up?.. Sasuke has spent 15 years being a loner and just coming back for a little while to make Sakura raise a kid by herself. You would think that the two people (Naruto and Sasuke) that know the importance to have a loving family more than anyone else would be extremely attached to their kids.

 

Instead Naruto grew up (TOO MUCH) and became a strict parent. He just became hokage and his son is around 8 years old. Where was his excuse to not spend time with him those 8 years? What is Sasuke's reason to not stop traveling the world after a few months/years and come back for his child he gave Sakura? None. Just Kishimoto ruining team 7, characters development, and a lot of things that should of been resolved. This end was extremely rushed. We had no time to celebrate the victory of this long war. WHY NOT!? 15 years of work all just to be rushed off. Such a great manga that just... ruined my childhood. I thought saying "I'll never forget the impact Naruto had on my childhood" would be a good thing. Now it will be nothing but a burden.

 

Only thing good I got out of NaruSaku was understanding love and then meeting Amanda and all you other amazing people here. I swear with NaruSaku I learned to treat women like they had it all with me. That's what Naruto offered Sakura, but she wanted to be a housewife of a boring guy who left her to raise the kid alone instead. Kishimoto said it right himself. "I suck at writing romance." You sure do you piece of garbage. One Piece owned all your sells anyway, so I'll have fun watching him show you how it's done for the next few years before he quits. Because you know. After spending over 15 years working on one manga. He isn't tired of writing a masterpiece. Then again... Naruto didn't end up a masterpiece... did it?

I am all out of likes for the day.  I was still in my 20s when I started reading Naruto.  I am now 40.  I just feel like Naruto got totally kitten on.  Still trying to warp my head around all of this.  Sadly, what I think we are seeing, is the worst case of executive meddling and it started several years ago.