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In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

06 September 2013 - 06:45 PM

 

There's so much Hinata love and Sakura hate in the West (I don't know about other regions, so I'm trying to be specific), that it's completely missed that in many ways it seems Kishimoto has set up Hinata to be Sakura's foil.  Hinata is extremely priviledged, she has a strong family, a strong prominent clan, has a major Kekkei Genkai, has a Sensei who seemed to focus on her, has had bodyguards throughout her life (including recently as a 16 year old chuunin)...she's a character who has all the advantages of the world, but for the most part doesn't have the drive, the strength, or the courage to work hard and literally take the next step.  And even though she's improved, she still lags behind the others.  Hinata is the very opposite of Sakura, and not in a good way.  Sakura doesn't have a prominent family, she doesn't have a rich family that can provide her with bodyguards, she doens't have a Kekkei Genkai -rather the result of her genetics is that she doesn't have much chakra/has low stamina- her Sensei tends to ignore her unless he thinks she needs to be protected (as if he feels that he's been a 2nd chance to protect Rin, if he can protect Sakura).  All she has is the fact that she likes to read, that she's smart, that she's extremely good at memorizing, and she took that one talent and took an active role in bettering herself.  She saught Tsunade out, and asked to be an apprentice, she found a way to improve herself, rather than finding excuses to lag.

 

It's so obvious, it's shocks me that it's completely missed, and that a character as privileged as Hinata is often referred to as an "underdog."

I think you are looking at this through Sakura tinted glasses which is understandable as an NS fan however I think you are grossly overstating some of these points to arrive at your conclusion. What on earth does having bodyguards have to do with growth if anything having a pair of goons follow you around all the time would probably hinder feelings of independence. While being from a privileged family in our world gives people certain benefits I cant really see the benefits of it in the Narutoverse for the purposes of comparison she didn't have better gear or instruction as a shinobi that seems all provided through Konoha's Shinobi training, I suppose she did have specfic training on how to use the Byakugan but that's hardly outlandish. Even if Sakura did seek out Tsunade its not as if she had to fight to be Tsunade's apprectice she just walked in and asked and Tsunade agreed (because she saw potential I'm sure). When Hinata is referenced as an underdog it's usually as the underdog pairing or the underdog when compared to Neji, you need to look at the whole picture for a long time she wasn't even treated that great by her own family despite being the heir I mean they let Neji kick the ever living hell out of her in the Chunin exams. I guess my point in all this is that try and separate your dislike for the NH fandom with the actual character of Hinata because when you look at things objectively instead of trying to make the manga fit your argument you will find that you garner a better understanding of it in general. Remember we give NH a lot of flak for giving the story and Hinata centric tilt through interpretation all the time, lets try and avoid doing the same in an effort raise Sakura over Hinata, the story does that all by itself without our help.

In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

06 September 2013 - 12:20 AM

I'm more concerned that Hinata was once depicted as Naruto's "liver" pretty disturbing even for a typo

In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

04 September 2013 - 05:42 PM

I see , the girl who made that comment about main male +female was a hard SS shipper who cross tags in the past few days asking random questions in a way that you can get easily pissed . One more of her arguments is that Sasuke didn't accept Sakura's love was that his whole clan was massacred so that's why he is cold and indifferent , but when asked why is he in the respective way about her existence she stops talking/replying  .

Which makes no kittening sense what so ever since the only reason she fell in love with him is because he was cool ...........

you will have to run that "when asked why....." part by me again I read it like four times but can' t seem to make out what you are trying to say  :P

In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

04 September 2013 - 05:36 PM

Rather its not referring to anything pairing wise, if anything minato was describing how it was familiar as he used to fight alongside Kushina. Minato was basically stating how fighting alongside naruto was like how he used to team up with Kushina in their fights. Rather theres no pairing stuff or hints involved, just fan preception as usual and just applying it. I mean naruto has attributes to both parents but in all honesty who has naruto been compared to more? Who does he aspire to be like? Minato. Naruto has been compared to Kushina a couple times but from her own limited background who does she tend to represent more? Sakura. Ns is still there, the parallel is still there too. Ns is still mk related. Fans just going overboard again. I mean the main deal is, well no hinata no nh moment, so how exactly does this make their case? I even put a long ass post explaining how the arguement of this being something to help nh and hurt ns didn't make any sense because there is no arguement nh has for parallels if those parallels don't exist or have yet to be proven. Geez this was just a simple moment of minato reflecting on how he used to fight with Kushina an people turn it to pairing evidence again, it's not. If anything it's just more family love theme ps being shown here. This doesn't even help nh case development wise, it's funny cause now they would be depending on a parallel they said makes no difference compared to recent chapters and still has hardly anything. Ns still around in the foreseeable future, just takes time.

Usually I'm not one to knock down the moments that other pairings feel are theirs, like the whole hand holding thing, like it or not that's all NH,I won't take that from them, that was a lot of panel space to devote to one person for the chakra transfer, but i digress. In this case I just don't see how this could possibly be a bolstering moment to the parallel for NH,, Naruto has been compared to Minato so many times with like the ghost overlay of Minato over Naruto when he is doing something Minatoesque. Minato himself compared Sakura to Kushina so that parallel is set, Minato would have had to see a HinataxNaruto interaction and say that girl she reminds me of myself for me to think NH has any  correlation with Naruto's parents. In fact I'm pretty sure that its a logical fallacy to make the statement "If Naruto is like Kushina then Hinata must be like Minato" non sequitur I think it's called.

In Topic: The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

04 September 2013 - 05:20 PM

I've been lurking around on the Anti NS tags and I've came to she conclusion that from the words written there ,some have lost faith,others are angry and afraid . NS is dead , all of its moment revolves around Sasuke if it happens its because of him ...

Some are claiming that Naruto accepts Sakura's love he supports SS and will make it canon , HInata will get her chance too..

But forget about that ..

 
I've got a couple of  questions:

-Did Kishi ever say that there will be no Main boy X Main female ? Because I'm on the anti tags and came across this also i do remember seeing it elsewhere .

- Do any of you think if Sasuke returned Sakura's feelings before he left aka her confession to him by any chance that she would be thrilled ?

 

No to my knowledge Kishi never said that, I would assume if he had you would have seen it countless times it would have even come up on this board despite the fact that it would be piece of Anti-NS evidence if it were true. With regards to your second comment she would have 100% thrilled I don't even think that is in question, she was madly in love (Infatuated) with him.  So much so that she stayed attached to him for years despite everything he had done so yeah if pre-crazy evil Sasuke had returned her feelings they would be the canon pairing and Sakura would most likely have left with him or he would have still knocked her out and left konoha to spare her following him down his dark path in which case she would have been pining for him even more and NS would be the quintessential side pairing where the nice guy can never win the girl away from the brooding and tortured cool guy with a "heart of gold".