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[Nostradamus]

Now the latest chapter of Naruto which is 662 has caused quite a disturbance in the fandom. So I’m here to give you one of my rants yet again. So enjoy or don’t enjoy it.

So the chapter starts with Gaara carrying Naruto somewhere, we still don’t know where he will take Naruto but we’ll find out later on in the chapter. We also have Madara stabbing Sasuke with his own sword and yet again we see that Madara is a completely different level, one that Sasuke will never reach.  Moving on we find out from Shikamaru that everyone is running out of chakra and the Third Hokage is pretty much the only one that can fight the Buddha Statue that Zetsu controls.

Gaara finally arrives at the destination, and that destination is the medics which was the logical thing to do. Now he tells Tsunade to come with her because Naruto needs to recover on the way and there is no time to explain. Now from this we understand Kurama’s plan, which is to bring Naruto to a medic in order to stabilize him until Gaara takes him somewhere else to save him. My guess is that Gaara will take Naruto to Minato in order for Minato to transfer the other half of Kurama thus saving Naruto’s life; this seems like the most logical thing to do.  Now Tsunade doesn’t have enough chakra to use medical ninjutsu and the only one that still has enough chakra is Sakura. Therefore Sakura is the one that goes with Naruto and Gaara. While this is happening Sakura is asking what did the enemy do to Naruto but she doesn’t get an answer because Gaara can’t give her one because they are running out of time and they need to move fast.

Moving on to one of my favorite characters Hinata Hyuuga and oh boy Hinata really shows her intelligence in this chapter. But before we take a look at Hinata let me be perfectly clearly about something. It’s true in my first rant I went overboard with the Hinata bashing and I apologize for that.

But let me be perfectly clear I do not hate Hinata, never did and never will. I just do not like her. There is a difference and if you can’t see that difference well that’s your problem.

I do not like her because of two reasons. First of all I do not like what Kishi is doing with her and secondly I don’t like her fans because they tend to exaggerate her moments, making her look more important than she actually is.

Let’s take a look at two of her previous moments the confession and 614-615.  I’m not going to go into detail here because I already explained them in my second rant. The confession from her actions in that chapter we saw that she had no plan to save Naruto whatsoever, the only thing that mattered to her was her confession and to die knowing that she finally told Naruto how she “feels” whatever happens to Naruto after she dies or the village is completely irrelevant.  I mean she took her time to confess but she couldn’t be bothered to free Naruto. She is a shinobi that belong to a decent clan and she can’t even formulate a simple plan. Now 614-615 I said this before the reason Neji died was because of Hinata. Because if Hinata would’ve trained and actually improved herself she would’ve been able to stand on equal terms with Neji or close to his level. And the Hyuuga could’ve defended Naruto successfully without losing anyone.

Moving on to the current chapter we see Hinata without her Byakugan and she asks if “Naruto-kun” is there to which Kiba responds with “Yeah, over there. Don’t you have your Byakugan?” as soon as she hears this she activates her Byakugan.  This is pretty much a repetition of 558 where she doesn’t use her Byakugan in a battle. I’m sorry but who does she thinks she is Madara? Only Madara can use his abilities without using his eyes, actually without having eyes. Anyway Hinata sees that Naruto’s heart is beating slower and this is where Hinata shows her true colors again. After what Kishi did with Hinata in 615 I never thought that he would sink her any lower than that, but he did. Let me explain what I mean about 615 and Hinata. Neji ends up sacrificing his life to save Naruto and Hinata, now it’s true Hinata did cry for Neji but the second she got what she wanted she completely forgets about Neji. That kid finally understood what his father did years ago, what it means to give up your own life for your friends. And Hinata can’t even say a simple “Thank you Neji for saving my life” and if that’s too hard to say how about “Thank you Neji”. Now I’m not asking Hinata to start worshipping Neji or to fight against Madara and hold her ground that would be stupid. I’m just asking for her to have some respect for the people that actually care about her. Neji came full circle with himself in that chapter and Hinata couldn’t care less.

Like I said I never thought Kishi would sink Hinata lower than that but oh boy was I wrong. Because that’s what he did in this chapter. As soon as Hinata sees that Naruto’s heart is beating slower what does she do? She starts running towards him, now you may think this is good but it’s not. She abandons her teammates, her comrades. People how actually care about her. Look I said this in my second rant I admire that fact that Hinata is willing to do something for Naruto but when you do something you either do it right or you don’t do it at all. Abandoning her friends doesn’t help anyone. I mean what exactly can Hinata do to help Naruto, she is not a medic like Sakura so she can’t keep him alive, she doesn’t have the other half of Kurama like Minato does and she doesn’t possess an ability like Gaara to transport Naruto. Going to Naruto is pointless, instead of going to Naruto she should’ve stayed with her comrades and fight with them.

Now whenever Hinata does something someone else has to pay the price for her actions.  Her confession – Naruto and everyone else should’ve paid if it weren’t for Minato. 614 Neji paid the price for Hinata’s actions. However this time karma decided to punish her for her actions and as Hinata is running she lands face first into the ground where she remains. In a way Hinata remaining on the ground does symbolize that no matter what Hinata does or tries to do she will never reach Naruto.

Now the chapter ends with Sakura trying to heal Naruto, she tells him to not give up that he is strong and he will survive but as she does this her chakra levels are going down. And the last page is a combination of Sakura and Karin confirming that Naruto and Sasuke are going to die if this goes on.

This moment of Sakura losing Naruto has been foreshadowed a long time ago if you actually paid attention to the story. Like I said in my first rant which I did over two years ago the way NS will happen is something like he OVA where Sakura believes she lost/losses Naruto but of course he comes back. The following chapters are going to contain a lot of NS so you can either enjoy them or you can it hate them when they come out. But you can’t change what is to come. As for Karin, well Karin is Karin there is nothing to discuss about her.

 

I could've made this longer go into more details but like I promised it will be a lot shorter than my previous rants. Besides it's already longer than I initially planned.

[James S Cassidy]

Very interesting.

 

If I may add, I don't think the whole "abandoning her teammates" is really that bad in this situation because well for one they were already pulled out of battle and to a safe distance. What else were they doing except standing there? If they were still part of the battle, then yeah it would be a lot worse. I would also add that this kind of action happens a lot in anime and manga where the female cast stops fighting or whatever because the love of her life drops to the floor or is dying. So I can't really say much to this, but usually when it does happen, the female starts to kick butt or kick the villain's butt in retribution. They are so high of emotion they become so unpredictable.

However, Hinata just trips and feels sorry for herself...again. I am not saying this excuses some of her actions, I am just saying she is not the first to do this in stories. It is still bad what she did and pretty much embarrasses her with this making her character go the lowest it could possibly be.

It's kind of funny though how some of us NS fans are more mad at Kishi ruining Hinata's character than even the NH fans.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 February 2014 - 10:51 PM.

[sushi.]

^Hinata's moment kind of reminds me of this

"Hinata, instead of helping your comrades, who were right next to you and could use some help,

you were only thinking about Naruto, who was far away, whom you could not help, not to mention he already had help"

 

Sorry, am I exxaggerating? I just..wonder what she is thinking sometimes. Does she want to be beside Naruto in his dying moments? Did she want to canonize her filler healing powers? Does she think she can guard Naruto in case Madara wishes to finish him off? Did she act by instincts?

 

I understand she has a thing for Naruto(which I can't really define anymore), and most humans, me included would probably react like her. But she is a professional ninja, so I expect her to act like one. This is a lesson that was taught to 12 year old Sakura.

[Nostradamus]

@James Maybe you are right about abandoning her friends but you have to admit Hinata doesn't really cherish the people around her. When it comes to Naruto she puts her blinders on and ignores everyone else.

And about "It's kind of funny though how some of us NS fans are more mad at Kishi ruining Hinata's character than even the NH fans." that's because the majority of the NH fanbase wants Hinata to end up with Naruto no matter what. They don't care about Hinata's character or Naruto's or the story or anything else. They just want NH.

 

@Sushi Like I said I admire that fact that Hinata is willing to do something. But when you do something you either do it right or you don't do it at all. Going to Naruto and being useless is not helping anyone.

[sushi.]

I actually don't blame her for not being able to do anything, a very few on the battlefield are. I just think she should focus on the task at hand, and this is not the first time she is unable of that. ^

[Lodus]

Really interesting. It's a nice insight bro.

But I have to both agree and disagree with your comment about doing it right our don't do it at all. The way I look at it, bonds and love are both a central and key thing to have in the story. This is what I like about reading naruto.

I think there should be some slack, mainly because you can't really blame her for not being able to understand how many people actually truly care about her. She was sheltered all her life by a father who did nothing but believe she was weak.

The reason I like NH is because of that reason. To be sheltered like that and be behind everybody is pretty demoralizing. And on top of that, you have a boy who grew up alone and persevered through thick and thin. It's very intimidating, to be able to relate to someone who always seemed to be doing amazing things.

Hinata has always repeated how much naruto changed her, and had even adopted his nindo. I feel like there never had to be enough development because the story was already there.

(I digress), but it just makes my point, that yes, neji died protecting her and naruto, but is it really that surprising? I Was a little surprised that she didn't even say much, but I wasn'tt expecting her to, mainly because neji already vowed to protect her already aware of how she is. It was his duty, as the stoic guy who thought hinata was too weak, but ended up getting her train.

Understanding the hero worship, it's to be expected. Just like sakura and sasuke. Sakura was willing to leave the village with sasuke, as Hinata was willing to rush to narutos side.

To me, hinata symbolizes the recognition and worship that naruto should have gotten, being the jinchuriki. The hero if the town. Which is why she (imo) always faints or stutters around him.

Sorry.. I ramble. But you know what I mean?
 

[Nostradamus]

@youngsole I will respond tomorrow because right now I'm tired and I need to get some rest.

Edited by Nostradamus, 04 February 2014 - 02:06 AM.

[Jake]

For the most part I agree, but there are a couple of things I have a problem with.

 

 

Number One, the assumption that just sealing the other half of Kurama inside Naruto will save him, back during Obito's attack on Konoha Kushina's plan for dealing with Kurama was to seal him back inside of her so that he will die with her, meaning that just resealing a biju in it's jinchuriki would not save the Jinchuriki.

 

Another problem with this is something I posted in the chapter discussion tread, given what we've been shown none of the 5 people present could preform the sealing, Minato only has one arm, Kakashi has only been shown capable of using the basic Sealing Jutsu which requires a great deal time and preparation and as you said, they don't have time, Gaara has been shown to know some form of Fuinjutsu (The way he sealed Muu and the Second Mizukage), it doesn't seems like the kind that would be used to seal of Biju in a Jinchuriki, Sakura's only feat in Fuinjutsu is the Byakugou Seal, but she is low on chakra and is busy keeping Naruto alive at the moment, and finally we have Naruto who is unconscious.

 

 

Number Two, this is just I minor one, about Hinata not thinking Neji, it's more about exactly who Neji was trying to protect, was his main objective to protect Hinata or was it to protect Naruto. Also Hinata reaction is probably more realistic to what a solider in the midst of combat would, you can thank the dead later when your life isn't in imminent danger.

[James S Cassidy]

@James Maybe you are right about abandoning her friends but you have to admit Hinata doesn't really cherish the people around her. When it comes to Naruto she puts her blinders on and ignores everyone else.

And about "It's kind of funny though how some of us NS fans are more mad at Kishi ruining Hinata's character than even the NH fans." that's because the majority of the NH fanbase wants Hinata to end up with Naruto no matter what. They don't care about Hinata's character or Naruto's or the story or anything else. They just want NH.

Yeah, you're right. I am just saying that I think we should be careful before we really judge what is what. Better to actually judge on her literal wrong doing than just what we "think" is wrong. Hinata is very much tunnel-visioned when it comes to Naruto. To her there is nothing else in her world and I am sad to say that is what I hate most about her. Even with Sakura who, while was like that in the beginning, began to understand her mistakes and learn from them. She changed over the course of the manga. Hinata...didn't. Her change, if there is any, is kind of is slow and at times she just falls backwards.

How can NH fans not care about Hinata though? I mean, really if I was an NH fan I would be pissed at Kishi for doing that. Are they so much in denial that they live in their own little world? I mean this as a real question. I am not trying to bash them, but it seems like with all this info I know about them. With all this denial of facts, tunnel-vision they have as well, and the crap that they talk about when comes to this....I am really surprised NH fans even exists.

It is starting to baffle me a lot.
 

For the most part I agree, but there are a couple of things I have a problem with.

 

 

Number One, the assumption that just sealing the other half of Kurama inside Naruto will save him, back during Obito's attack on Konoha Kushina's plan for dealing with Kurama was to seal him back inside of her so that he will die with her, meaning that just resealing a biju in it's jinchuriki would not save the Jinchuriki.

 

Another problem with this is something I posted in the chapter discussion tread, given what we've been shown none of the 5 people present could preform the sealing, Minato only has one arm, Kakashi has only been shown capable of using the basic Sealing Jutsu which requires a great deal time and preparation and as you said, they don't have time, Gaara has been shown to know some form of Fuinjutsu (The way he sealed Muu and the Second Mizukage), it doesn't seems like the kind that would be used to seal of Biju in a Jinchuriki, Sakura's only feat in Fuinjutsu is the Byakugou Seal, but she is low on chakra and is busy keeping Naruto alive at the moment, and finally we have Naruto who is unconscious.

 

I think sealing the other half in Naruto will be a part of it, but I think this is where Sakura is going to play a huge part. I truly believe she is going to do something to help him survive. It might even be one of those "Power of love" kind of moments, but that is just wishful thinking.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 February 2014 - 06:23 AM.

[Canadian_DJ]

Now the latest chapter of Naruto which is 662 has caused quite a disturbance in the fandom. So I’m here to give you one of my rants yet again. So enjoy or don’t enjoy it.

So the chapter starts with Gaara carrying Naruto somewhere, we still don’t know where he will take Naruto but we’ll find out later on in the chapter. We also have Madara stabbing Sasuke with his own sword and yet again we see that Madara is a completely different level, one that Sasuke will never reach.  Moving on we find out from Shikamaru that everyone is running out of chakra and the Third Hokage is pretty much the only one that can fight the Buddha Statue that Zetsu controls.

Gaara finally arrives at the destination, and that destination is the medics which was the logical thing to do. Now he tells Tsunade to come with her because Naruto needs to recover on the way and there is no time to explain. Now from this we understand Kurama’s plan, which is to bring Naruto to a medic in order to stabilize him until Gaara takes him somewhere else to save him. My guess is that Gaara will take Naruto to Minato in order for Minato to transfer the other half of Kurama thus saving Naruto’s life; this seems like the most logical thing to do.  Now Tsunade doesn’t have enough chakra to use medical ninjutsu and the only one that still has enough chakra is Sakura. Therefore Sakura is the one that goes with Naruto and Gaara. While this is happening Sakura is asking what did the enemy do to Naruto but she doesn’t get an answer because Gaara can’t give her one because they are running out of time and they need to move fast.

Moving on to one of my favorite characters Hinata Hyuuga and oh boy Hinata really shows her intelligence in this chapter. But before we take a look at Hinata let me be perfectly clearly about something. It’s true in my first rant I went overboard with the Hinata bashing and I apologize for that.

But let me be perfectly clear I do not hate Hinata, never did and never will. I just do not like her. There is a difference and if you can’t see that difference well that’s your problem.

I do not like her because of two reasons. First of all I do not like what Kishi is doing with her and secondly I don’t like her fans because they tend to exaggerate her moments, making her look more important than she actually is.

Let’s take a look at two of her previous moments the confession and 614-615.  I’m not going to go into detail here because I already explained them in my second rant. The confession from her actions in that chapter we saw that she had no plan to save Naruto whatsoever, the only thing that mattered to her was her confession and to die knowing that she finally told Naruto how she “feels” whatever happens to Naruto after she dies or the village is completely irrelevant.  I mean she took her time to confess but she couldn’t be bothered to free Naruto. She is a shinobi that belong to a decent clan and she can’t even formulate a simple plan. Now 614-615 I said this before the reason Neji died was because of Hinata. Because if Hinata would’ve trained and actually improved herself she would’ve been able to stand on equal terms with Neji or close to his level. And the Hyuuga could’ve defended Naruto successfully without losing anyone.

Moving on to the current chapter we see Hinata without her Byakugan and she asks if “Naruto-kun” is there to which Kiba responds with “Yeah, over there. Don’t you have your Byakugan?” as soon as she hears this she activates her Byakugan.  This is pretty much a repetition of 558 where she doesn’t use her Byakugan in a battle. I’m sorry but who does she thinks she is Madara? Only Madara can use his abilities without using his eyes, actually without having eyes. Anyway Hinata sees that Naruto’s heart is beating slower and this is where Hinata shows her true colors again. After what Kishi did with Hinata in 615 I never thought that he would sink her any lower than that, but he did. Let me explain what I mean about 615 and Hinata. Neji ends up sacrificing his life to save Naruto and Hinata, now it’s true Hinata did cry for Neji but the second she got what she wanted she completely forgets about Neji. That kid finally understood what his father did years ago, what it means to give up your own life for your friends. And Hinata can’t even say a simple “Thank you Neji for saving my life” and if that’s too hard to say how about “Thank you Neji”. Now I’m not asking Hinata to start worshipping Neji or to fight against Madara and hold her ground that would be stupid. I’m just asking for her to have some respect for the people that actually care about her. Neji came full circle with himself in that chapter and Hinata couldn’t care less.

Like I said I never thought Kishi would sink Hinata lower than that but oh boy was I wrong. Because that’s what he did in this chapter. As soon as Hinata sees that Naruto’s heart is beating slower what does she do? She starts running towards him, now you may think this is good but it’s not. She abandons her teammates, her comrades. People how actually care about her. Look I said this in my second rant I admire that fact that Hinata is willing to do something for Naruto but when you do something you either do it right or you don’t do it at all. Abandoning her friends doesn’t help anyone. I mean what exactly can Hinata do to help Naruto, she is not a medic like Sakura so she can’t keep him alive, she doesn’t have the other half of Kurama like Minato does and she doesn’t possess an ability like Gaara to transport Naruto. Going to Naruto is pointless, instead of going to Naruto she should’ve stayed with her comrades and fight with them.

Now whenever Hinata does something someone else has to pay the price for her actions.  Her confession – Naruto and everyone else should’ve paid if it weren’t for Minato. 614 Neji paid the price for Hinata’s actions. However this time karma decided to punish her for her actions and as Hinata is running she lands face first into the ground where she remains. In a way Hinata remaining on the ground does symbolize that no matter what Hinata does or tries to do she will never reach Naruto.

Now the chapter ends with Sakura trying to heal Naruto, she tells him to not give up that he is strong and he will survive but as she does this her chakra levels are going down. And the last page is a combination of Sakura and Karin confirming that Naruto and Sasuke are going to die if this goes on.

This moment of Sakura losing Naruto has been foreshadowed a long time ago if you actually paid attention to the story. Like I said in my first rant which I did over two years ago the way NS will happen is something like he OVA where Sakura believes she lost/losses Naruto but of course he comes back. The following chapters are going to contain a lot of NS so you can either enjoy them or you can it hate them when they come out. But you can’t change what is to come. As for Karin, well Karin is Karin there is nothing to discuss about her.

 

I could've made this longer go into more details but like I promised it will be a lot shorter than my previous rants. Besides it's already longer than I initially planned.

OMG IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF NOSTRADAMUS THE GREATS RANT!!! 

 

*grabs popcorn*

[itsmesakura]

Interesting rant! I love Hinata as equal to Sakura (she's the only character that's different from the other characters I like... Not hot-headed... I like Tsunade, Sakura, Kushina, Erza, and Rukia.. haha.. group of tsundere girls.. pretty much explain why I am a 'poke-me-and-I-will-get-bigger-like-a-flame" character.. Lol now I am ranting about non-sense)... The only thing that I dislike about Hinata is her love to Naruto..

 

People found it interesting, I don't...

 

It's just that it looks like Hinata is growing because of Naruto, and not from herself...

 

Just like you pointed out, Hinata's strong scene came from Naruto.. Rarely herself... This is what I first dislike about her... I know that girl got potential to be a much better kunoichi, but I guess loving Naruto is just a downfall...

 

Every best NH moments somehow were motivated by Hinata..

 

*confessing scene, Hinata protects NARUTO

*Replacing Neji, Hinata do it for NARUTO

*Jump and tries to protect NARUTO

*dreaming to stand by NARUTO's side

 

Lol look at that.. she done almost everything for Naruto..

 

I bet that Hinata will be an inspiration if she didn't like Naruto from the start, and instead learn everything by herself... Grow by her own motivation, and become strong by her own will.... She was bullied, and then treated harsh by her dad.. And that was such a darkness going on her life...

 

If she's able to stand up by herself on that, without Naruto being the inspiration, I guess we'll be seeing a very adult girl, and portrays a mom character

[itsmesakura]

Really interesting. It's a nice insight bro.

But I have to both agree and disagree with your comment about doing it right our don't do it at all. The way I look at it, bonds and love are both a central and key thing to have in the story. This is what I like about reading naruto.

I think there should be some slack, mainly because you can't really blame her for not being able to understand how many people actually truly care about her. She was sheltered all her life by a father who did nothing but believe she was weak.

The reason I like NH is because of that reason. To be sheltered like that and be behind everybody is pretty demoralizing. And on top of that, you have a boy who grew up alone and persevered through thick and thin. It's very intimidating, to be able to relate to someone who always seemed to be doing amazing things.

Hinata has always repeated how much naruto changed her, and had even adopted his nindo. I feel like there never had to be enough development because the story was already there.

(I digress), but it just makes my point, that yes, neji died protecting her and naruto, but is it really that surprising? I Was a little surprised that she didn't even say much, but I wasn'tt expecting her to, mainly because neji already vowed to protect her already aware of how she is. It was his duty, as the stoic guy who thought hinata was too weak, but ended up getting her train.

Understanding the hero worship, it's to be expected. Just like sakura and sasuke. Sakura was willing to leave the village with sasuke, as Hinata was willing to rush to narutos side.

To me, hinata symbolizes the recognition and worship that naruto should have gotten, being the jinchuriki. The hero if the town. Which is why she (imo) always faints or stutters around him.

 

Oh, dear, dear.. You focus much on Hinata's love, and not her character...

 

You said she ADOPTED Naruto's nindo.. yet another act of her standing behind him

 

You said she changed because of NARUTO.. Yet another act of her standing behind him,.

 

Hinata's character development grow from Naruto... Without him, we wouldn't see her strong side

 

But for me that's not original... She don't stand up by herself, and she had always used an inspiration

 

I mean, it's fine to use an inspiration to achieve things you wanted to accomplished, but if you keep on repeating the same process, of always using someone to inspire, how could you later grow by yourself? your character is build by that person, not by yourself

 

and that's not original

 

Hinata's character came from Naruto.. The soft side is hers, but the rest is mainly Naruto's impact...

[Lodus]

 

 
Hinata's character came from Naruto.. The soft side is hers, but the rest is mainly Naruto's impact...

That's the direction I was going. I just said I looked at hinata's love or "hero worship" as a symbol for the treatment he(and all jinchuriki) should have gotten. It probably wasnt clear because I post from a phone, and I'm too lazy to type everything out.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Nice rant, Nostradamus. I agree with most of it, but your opinion on Hinata seems a little harsher than mine. I'm just not capable of hating her or disliking her. I'm very critical of her and point out her flaws consistently, but that's only because she has so many of them and I get frustrated Kishimoto never develops her out of some of those flaws. She doesn't have to be perfect and I certainly don't want her to be, but you'd think she would grow a lot more at this point in the series.

 

Hinata is a sweet girl, even if she's a little self-involved and ignorant. She had a hard life as a child and I feel bad for her being the underdog at the start, but my problem with her is that type of basis shouldn't end up revolving around a boy more than anything else in her growth department. There's no hint of her having an ambition to be a leader to the Clan or much of anything besides Naruto and her love for Naruto. Sure, it's nice that he inspires her, but I just wish she showed more of determined side instead of constantly using Naruto as a crutch.

 

That's what I like about Sakura. Like Hinata, she has heavy emphasis on her relationship with Naruto but at least that's not the only thing driving her. She wants to surpass Tsunade, be as useful as she possibly can, and thinks more about Naruto's feelings than her feelings (Hinata doesn't do that ... she focuses inward). While Naruto inspires her too, at least Sakura doesn't need him as a constant crutch to be sure of herself and show determination. I won't deny she needs Naruto in her life, but that doesn't mean she's not reliant on herself either.

 

I don't think Hinata was meant to be a ninja. At least if this direction of her CD is what Kishimoto intended. I wouldn't say I criticize her of it too harshly, but she's not that intelligent in desperate situations and she can't really focus that much on what's going on/what she's supposed to do. Especially with Naruto who instantly makes her lose focus and just think "Naruto-kun, Naruto-kun."  I get that she loves him, but that's very unprofessional and a little immature.

 

 My frustration with Hinata's static character never goes away entirely. Her character development this whole series had potential, but in a lot of ways she lost it. It's disappointing and affects my opinion of NaruHina as well. I think I need to write a fanfic where Hinata's development is actually prominent and satisfactory.  The sad part is that I feel like I wouldn't hate NaruHina if Hinata was just more independent and less self-involved. The writing just never lets me.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 04 February 2014 - 11:24 PM.

[Nostradamus]

@youngsole Hiashi believed Hinata is weak because she was weak, her younger sister Hanabi was stronger then her. And judging from what we saw so far I'm pretty confident that Hanabi is still stronger then Hinata. I'm sorry if this bothers you. And yes Hinata did borrow Naruto's nindo word by word and that's exactly the main problem with the NH pairing. Hinata doesn't love Naruto nor does she have any romantic feelings for him. She does love "him" but in a different way. She loves him as one loves a champion, he is all she could not be. Hinata isn't in love with Naruto but his nindo and since Naruto "gave" her that nindo she ended up mistaking her own feelings and also the majority of the NH fans. You could replace Naruto with anyone that stands for the same things he does and has his nindo and Hinata would still have the same "feelings" towards that person, no matter who that person will be.

What Sakura felt towards Sasuke is not hero-worshiping, check my first rant because in it I went in more detail.

 

 

@Jake The reason I believe Minato will give Naruto the other half of Kurama is because we still don't know exactly what happens if the Bijuu is put back in its host. Yes Kushina wanted to take the Kyuubi with her but we don't know exactly what would've happened if she became a Jinchuuriki again. Maybe she would've survived or maybe she would've died anyway. Right now it's an unknown. So transferring the other half might save Naruto or it won't do anything to save him and he will be saved other way.

Also Naruto needs the other half of Kurama to stand a chance against Madara and the Juubi.

 

[Jake]

@Jake The reason I believe Minato will give Naruto the other half of Kurama is because we still don't know exactly what happens if the Bijuu is put back in its host. Yes Kushina wanted to take the Kyuubi with her but we don't know exactly what would've happened if she became a Jinchuuriki again. Maybe she would've survived or maybe she would've died anyway. Right now it's an unknown. So transferring the other half might save Naruto or it won't do anything to save him and he will be saved other way.

Also Naruto needs the other half of Kurama to stand a chance against Madara and the Juubi.

 

 

Even if it would, as I said there is still the problem of who would preform the seal, Minato can not preform hand seals, Sakura is runing low on chakra even with the Byakugou Seal, Gaara has not been shown capable of preforming the type of Fuinjutsu used to seal Biju in Jinchuriki, Naruto is dieing and Kakashi while knowing the basic Sealing Jutsu, his chakra reserves are questionable and is likely borderline anemic from all the blood he lost fighting Obito, meaning he wouldn't be able to even preform the Sealing Jutsu.

[Nostradamus]

@Jake Well it turns out that I was right if you put back the Bijuu the host survives. It's a little interesting finding this out because it means Naruto could've had a real family with Minato and Kushina but sadly neither of them knew that information. Also we would've got a completely different version of the Naruto manga.

What I forgot to mention in previous comment is why do you believe there is no way for Minato to just give Naruto the Kyuubi without any seals. It doesn't really sound that impossible, I mean take a look at the ridiculous things that happened in this story. Minato being able to transfer Kurama's chakra to Naruto without any seals is possible.

 

@James S Cassidy One of the reasons I like Sakura is because she isn't perfect, she made a ton of mistakes but she learned from them and she grow up. Hinata keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over and learns nothing from them.

About "How can NH fans not care about Hinata though?" they are not really NH fans at least not the ones I've seen, they are Hinata fans who just want Hinata to get Naruto. I remember reading a comment a while back that went something like "The only reason I still follow the story is because the romance between Naruto and Hinata and I hope this war ends faster so we can see Naruto being accepted in the Hyuuga clan by marrying Hinata." I do not remember exactly what that guy/girl said but it was something like that. You can go and find out if you want and see how they think.

 

@xxRomanceGirlxx Yeah I'm more harsh towards Hinata but that's because I wanted more from her. I wanted her to have some meaning in this story, to have a reason to exist to be a apart of the plot or at least a subplot. Not just a side character that has feelings for the main character. Because to me it feels like if we eliminate Hinata's feelings for Naruto we would also eliminate her. She wouldn't have a reason to exist anymore.

 

 

Message to everyone: Thanks for taking the time to read what I wanted to say and thanks for the likes.

[Jake]

@Jake Well it turns out that I was right if you put back the Bijuu the host survives. It's a little interesting finding this out because it means Naruto could've had a real family with Minato and Kushina but sadly neither of them knew that information. Also we would've got a completely different version of the Naruto manga.

What I forgot to mention in previous comment is why do you believe there is no way for Minato to just give Naruto the Kyuubi without any seals. It doesn't really sound that impossible, I mean take a look at the ridiculous things that happened in this story. Minato being able to transfer Kurama's chakra to Naruto without any seals is possible.

 

Because he was transferring chakra, the Biju are physical beings as evident by the fact that the Gold and Silver brothers could actually eat part of Kurama's stomach and some other Kumo-nin tried to replicate that by eating one of Gyuki's tentacles, if Minato could've sent Kurama's other half to Naruto so easily why didn't he do so when Obito was the Jubi's Jinchuriki, after all Minato is an Edo Tensei are doesn't run out of chakra.

 

Although I did have a thought, I wonder if Minato can use a chakra arm to preform the hand seals?

[Nostradamus]

 

Although I did have a thought, I wonder if Minato can use a chakra arm to preform the hand seals?

Maybe Kurama could be his right hand, possible. I'm just saying we've seen a lot of strange things happen so Minato just transferring the chakra without any seals seems plausible to me. Strange but plausible.

[Jake]

Maybe Kurama could be his right hand, possible. I'm just saying we've seen a lot of strange things happen so Minato just transferring the chakra without any seals seems plausible to me. Strange but plausible.

 

Yeah it wouldn't be anymore of an asspull then Hashirama giving Sasuke a Jutsu.