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[Dalton.T.R]

If There was no Naruto anime or filler episodes do you think NH would even exist? I've had that question in my head for a while now, and I can finally get it out!

 

I'd have to say no probably. I mean, it would probably exist, but would it be as big as it is now? Would the fans be as hostile towards other characters (mostly Sakura) like they are now? 

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

[Lid]

I fully believe so. I'm willing to bet that NaruHina originated from the manga. Sure there were some filler episodes that sort of "pushed" NaruHina, but many supporters of that pairing reference sections of the manga too.

 

There could possibly be less, but there would still be a fan base of that couple.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's a very good question.

I know anime takes advantage to showcase Hinata, which sadly connects to NH since at times it's confused with love and acknowledge, but they have been pushing NS sky rocket for a while. Heck, I wonder who's pushing it worse, Fairy Tail or Naruto. Anyway, back to this. It's really hard to say but I do think it will be much less than now.

In the anime, everyone got a head start with Hinata in episode 1. Granted Sakura appeared in episode 1 too but the problem is that because Hinata appearing earlier, people mistakes episode 3 to be love center episode, since it's dealing with Team 7 center. That said people think they are dealing with romance anime like stuff they get in Toonami/adult swim. Therefore, they assumed that Kishi would go complex on romance, which in reality it's only in Team 7 and Sasuke pretty much say "kitten this." So have not been early appearances, I think the fans would be lower than now. In fact, I don't blame filler as in those filler episodes from filler of hell, rather blame the placement of the canon mix with filler to cause confusion.

In Shippuuden, they improved it much better, though there are some problems. That said if they kept it normal as manga, none of this outbreak war would have happen.

[James S Cassidy]

There probably would be, but I don't think NH would be as big if not for the anime. Seeing how a lot of anime fans do not read the manga, they probably have a false idea of Hinata in the anime.

[Inferno180]

If the anime didn't exist, the emphasis of NH would be much less as the manga already presents. Even then for the anime, those who push so much on NH are in for a shock for 631 when its animated
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[catsi563]

I also think it would exist but wouldn't have the support or out right fan insanity when it comes to it. The irony is the scenes she does get would take on far more meaning then they currently do.

 

The lesser appearances with no filler would mean that her confession and subsequent injury would have a greater effect on even fans like us, as we see this shy character come out of no where and get nearly killed to save someone she loves.

We would be better able to put it in its context. With the filler it becomes as overhyped as the rest of her appearances.

[Inferno180]

Its kinda funny, I mean among Naruto reviewers, that guy with the funny accent and missing teeth (forget his name) he put up a video called Hinata haters without logic, the thing is, well not bashing NH or anything, but most of their material is just filler and when it comes to arguments, often the way some stuff is described is just out of context immensely, not even realizing the story structure, I mean this is why 615 was made a bigger deal than it had to be. Sadly when it came down to it, it was just a way to remove Neji and give Hinata minor development and we lost a good interesting and developed character. It wasn't anything love related as they claimed it was, only on Hinata's end, even now with 631, Kushina-Sakura, and naruto still loving Sakura. 615 was more about closing the story of Naruto's relation with the Hyuga, mainly Neji and well sadly we lost Neji for something minor on Hinata, long as she is a satille character, she has no other importance I mean if it wasn't for Naruto what would her purpose to remain be? She has other stuff relating to her clan like being the head of it or least getting self confidence, perfect ending stuff to fit her character but Kishi goes focusing on her for a bit then dissapears again. Isn't it funny? it took about 330 chapters about between the end of the fight with Neji and until her event at Pain to give her any relevance. After pain that went unaddressed until 558 or so (whenever Naruto's clone saved her from a zetsu) and yet it was minor just a flashback. Then 615 came and well, its gone undone mostly, 633 was just her thoughts again but that chapter felt like filler considering the others. Chapter 645 is next, already 30 chapters in without much focus on this. Honestly the NH moments just feel like as the Nostlagia Critic put it, a big lipped Alligator moment (yes I know its the N.chick who created it but he uses it too) Seriously, I asked myself hey kishi what about Naruto and Hinata after that pain event, kinda curious to see what it would do to NS, it did nothing and Naruto spent his downtime after pain cheering Sakura up, worrying about Tsunade, and even got beat up to not sell out Sasuke, nothing with Hinata. Even after 615, Sakura got development and advancement from her events in the land of iron, her shortcoming there made her able to do her speech of telling others to not rely or leave it all to Naruto. We even see Sakura-Kushina and Naruto still loving Sakura, what is there to go on now for NH? NS isn't canon but it sure has a lot of potential. Kishi still giving it focus, still not done with all NS interaction yet what remains for NH despite little to no prior engaging development in the manga or fleshed out advancement after the moments like pain and 615? Seriously what are we looking for there? NH has so much missing, its no wonder some people can act confused if they ship NH but never read the manga. I feel shippuden ep 166 was the worst case, they got the idea that Hinata did so much and stood against pain yet all she did was say I love you and Pain sends her flying, 5 or so quick panels, not  an entire freaking episode over such a small moment. Hopefully perriot won't go crazy when 615 is animated I mean the Kushina stuff from Minato is going to be quick, god forbid if we got a sequence of flashbacks of Minato with Kushina and their early antics or how she would get temperamental with him just from when 631 gets animated.I mean geez at this moment, there are many clues for NS none others, rather theres a clue of death for SS from 635. Many people would suspect Sakura to still love Sasuke but this is the third time she has a conflict over him, 1st when he left after she confessed 2nd at the time he nearly killed her, yet the 3rd time people expect her to still love him, obviously its no shocker 635 came around because she is changing its called character development, Sakura couldn't stay loving him the same way the entire manga, otherwise it would be a pointless trait on her that she struggled with and her love would have come simply because she hoped, even then it would be like a giant middle finger to naruto for Sasuke succeeding in something Naruto wanted but again without effort because Sasuke is a freaking Uchiha. Thats just dumb.

[mmrc27]

i think there's a chance?!

[LadyGT]

I do believe that it's mostly the anime's fault, they keep pulling stuff that contradicts the canon universe, it's pathetic when you think about it (speaking in general).

For me the biggest mistake was the filler arc they made before the time skip, and I'm pretty sure the most rabid NH fans were born from there.

But who cares, I enjoy seeing the studio's work being crushed by the canon plot, it's pleasant really.

[Transformers03]

Somewhere, in a other forum, there are other fans asking the same thing, except about the NS fandom rather than the NH fandom.

 

But in my honest, admittedly bias, opinion, I don't think we would have gotten a lot of the hardcore NH fans. The ones that make all the other NH shippers look bad, and were one of the reasons that caused the pairing wars in Naruto (along with the other hardcore shippers).With that said, I just want to say I personally blame the anime for giving fans inconsistencies in the romantic subplot. I have complained about this many times, but I feel like it is supposedly a very obvious where the romantic subplot is suppose to end up. However, because the anime (and other outside media) have given reasonable amount of "evidence" to show that romantic subplot can go anywhere, the fans are left debating among ourselves to figure out what is the true pairing outcome. 

 

If it seemed liked NS was the most likely, then f*** you we will give an Hinata filler that would focus on her crush on Naruto. If it seemed like we should be rooting for Hinata to get her wish to be with Naruto, then f*** you we will give an other filler that would reinstate Naruto's crush on Sakura. If Sakura seemed like getting over Sasuke (and gaining major positive growth), then f*** you we will give an whole filler episode saying she still loves Sasuke.

 

Though, to be fair, the manga (especially in recent events) have also provided some conflicting ideas of where the manga may go with the romance sub-plot. If it seemed like Sakura has gotten over Sasuke, then f*** you Kishi will have a chapter showing she still thinks of Sasuke as the man she loves. If it seemed like Sakura is going to always love Sasuke, then f*** you Kishi will have a whole movie that focuses on Naruto and Sakura's relationship (among other things), and reinstate why Sasuke is awful for Sakura. So if it seemed like NS is going to be the endgame, then f*** you Kishi will have Hinata finally hold Naruto's hand. So I guess that means NH will be the endg........NO!!!! Cause f*** you, Kishi had Minato make a comparson between Sakura and Kushina, which echoes Kushina's last words to Naruto to find a woman like her (which means absolutely nothing to some NH fans, though then again ch. 615 is suppose to mean nothing to us NS fans).

 

Now don't get me wrong, I still believe Kishi has plainly shown that NS was always suppose to be the endgame. I just think if he, and the other writers/creators, wouldn't focus on the other pairings so that they can satisfy the other fandoms and their own desires. So, yeah, while I do think we would have lost a lot of major hardcore NH fans if the anime never existed, but I think there will always bea ridiculous pairing wars because Kishi REALLY doesn't know how to write a cohesive romance story.

[SkiesEagle]

To be honest, I asked a question when I am wondering why NH so popular in the western while in Japan, where NaruSaku so popular. Someone told me that in western got animated first than manga. I rather have them in manga first AND then animated. That can avoid confusion because manga is more clear than watching in animated. Manga and Anime are two different versions. They can follow the plot but there will be some major difference. For example; in Manga, Sakura is the first appearance before Hinata while in Anime Hinata is the first before Sakura. That's reason why I rather read manga than anime. That's my opinion.

[Psychox]

Easy. No.

[Inferno180]

It would depend on the concept of how practical the stuff was emphasized.

 

If we go by the anime, yes NH is put out to the point its ridiculous, ep 166 which NH fans loved, it was filler, when an entire episode becomes devoted to some filler flashback, thats just stupid. Otherwise look at how the manga was written.

 

If the anime never existed but the manga was still as it was, Hinata's moments would still be limited greatly, especially for Kishi lacking to flesh her out more. Some would take it as greatly important due to her infrequence y but as for the limited stuff, thats what would still hurt her and what mainly does hurt NH now and always will. Its not the plots fault, its kishi for not using Hinata in times when he had several chances to flesh her out more but just doesn't and used Sakura instead. Even to counter the reverse question some would put on NS, no it would not change much. Because NS is still the most shown and emphasized relationship and developed one at that, the manga being the only thing would have a lot of potential for all of this. In fact thats how it is, we still only use the manga for evidence  rarely do we need any form of manga alternative, extended, or filler uses for arguements only in cases when NH resorts to it. But thats just how it is, NS over NH its more screentime = more development, NS has more flexibility and room this has allowed it to grow more. NH is still gravely hurt here, its not going to go canon instantly just like that, I mean now more than ever with 631 showing Naruto still loves Sakura, if pain and 615 didn't change his feelings what the hell would? What could possibly exist in the future now to get Naruto to turn to Hinata? SS isn't going to be around much longer. Seriously what is coming up? People are expecting too much or just hoping for something spontaneous with no founded reasons for the story or characters to do so. NH is in this corner with SS. Its mainly the anime that drives the view of NH but the manga is completely otherwise showing how its really just Hinata and how infrequently she is used. She gets extra time in the anime like the rest of team 8 or tenten because they have hardly an important presence in the manga and overall plot. Other than that, she is just a minor character. If the anime didn't exist, NS would remain the same but NH would have nothing to display just down to a trickle of what we see in the manga.

[Psychox]

^The problem with 166ep was that the put so much  sugar on top of the  cake that some people who watch only the anime started adoring  Hinata even more , heck , after Sakura's confession people called her a selfish ...... , because not only Sai downplayed her profession but it strengthened it after she wasn't able to lay a punch on Sasuke . The whole HInata shenanigans  , she freeing Naruto  from the rods makes her selfishness to selflessness and i just loathe the anime team for ruining Sakura's character through out the entire Anime .

[Inferno180]

This is why some fans will go into overdrive mode when 615 is animated and go insane when they see 631.

 

Likewise its kinda funny in the anime too that they have some emphasis on Sakura's character with extra stuff, kinda like when she tells Sai he doesn't know Naruto and how he always proves them wrong (during his training for wind style) and yes like last episode where she was ready to move out with Shizune but had a short comment about Naruto before being interrupted.

 

They never overdo Sakura though, only her tsundere side which is used for comical moments. Where her moments like that in the manga are around 4-7 or so times for a comical moment with Naruto, the anime used it frequently for humor or other forms of comedy. Hinata though, just the way they did ep 166 this was the type of dialogue for someone who was going to die, but it was so fleshed out it was just, god they made so much over a 5 panel moment. I hope they don't rampage again like in 615. Dear lord if NS goes cannon without all this its just having NH fans get so worked up over nothing, sadly some don't realize they are watching stuff that is not canon rather the majority of NH is filler and just doesn't even exist. If the time for NS canon comes and the anime reaches that point and many question why, its simple they just didn't follow the main story. But NS is part of the main story while the others are just not, SS is near death and NH is in limbo but still lacks the development. All other things point to NS and give it the most potential and can allow it to come in many ways. Otherwise just seeing the anime is not a good indicator to actually just think this or that will be canon.

[Psychox]

^ Yes, but there are scenes like '' If Naruto and Sasuke-kun are both injured , who will i save first''? dafuq ? I've seem so many people rage from that scene that its hard to describe . So many hater her for that part of her character and even believe that she will end up with him ...

When i started with Naruto i watched the Anime first , so guess what , everybody shunned Naruto Sakura's attention was centered on Sasuke the first few episodes from which half of it weren't canon , then i see a chick with white eyes how likes him in the first episode , then i thought , something's gonna happen between them ... Nope , actually it didn't it was so confusing and it lacked cohesiveness with all the filler scenes and the episodes that i forgot at some point who liked who or even where the heck the main plot went ....... 

Back then i didn't know what fillers were until i came to NB....... i saw that there was a manga !!

Anyways , i don't know that they'll do when 615 arrives , maybe they wont give it so much emphasis , dunno , some however will be pissed when 631 comes along ^_^.

[Question22]

NH =   OMG NARUTO HOLDS HINATA'S HAND OMFG NH CANON B-----

NS = You guys still lack development owned

 

Chapter 616 realised

 

 

NS: Naruto holds Shikamaru's hand , chakra transfer

 

NH: Omg noo you guys should stop denying the facts! NH will happen!

 

I just like it how were laughing at NH when they think their couple is superior

Edited by Question22, 01 September 2013 - 03:28 PM.

[kidNinja]

That's a very good question.

I know anime takes advantage to showcase Hinata, which sadly connects to NH since at times it's confused with love and acknowledge, but they have been pushing NS sky rocket for a while. Heck, I wonder who's pushing it worse, Fairy Tail or Naruto. Anyway, back to this. It's really hard to say but I do think it will be much less than now.

In the anime, everyone got a head start with Hinata in episode 1. Granted Sakura appeared in episode 1 too but the problem is that because Hinata appearing earlier, people mistakes episode 3 to be love center episode, since it's dealing with Team 7 center. That said people think they are dealing with romance anime like stuff they get in Toonami/adult swim. Therefore, they assumed that Kishi would go complex on romance, which in reality it's only in Team 7 and Sasuke pretty much say "kitten this." So have not been early appearances, I think the fans would be lower than now. In fact, I don't blame filler as in those filler episodes from filler of hell, rather blame the placement of the canon mix with filler to cause confusion.

In Shippuuden, they improved it much better, though there are some problems. That said if they kept it normal as manga, none of this outbreak war would have happen.

 

 

What pairings are FT pushing too far? I don't really care for any of them save for Gajeel x Levy

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
 
What pairings are FT pushing too far? I don't really care for any of them save for Gajeel x Levy

Anything that's obvious. Mainly NaLu.

[Question22]

If there wasn't the anime Naruto wouldn't be much popular as it is nowdays