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Do you think NaruSaku evidence is mostly speculation?

  1. Most NS evidence is fact, not speculation. (30 votes [69.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.77%

  2. I think NS evidence is mostly speculation. (4 votes [9.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.30%

  3. NS evidence is only speculation. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. NS has plenty of facts, but people usually only rant speculations. (8 votes [18.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.60%

  5. Other (explain please) (1 votes [2.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.33%

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#1 Branden

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 09:39 AM

Most narusaku rants I've seen were pure speculation with either minor or strong evidence to support them.



But speculations are just that, speculations. I want to focus on the facts, thing we cannot dispute.


Example of speculation : "Kushina is just like Sakura so that means NS is going to happen"


Example of fact : "Naruto's description of Sakura in chapter 3 was 'A very cute girl that I like alot' which shows Naruto taking interest in Sakura"





I'd like mostly facts, but feel free to post any strong speculations.

Edited by Branden, 09 June 2012 - 09:41 AM.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 9 2012, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most narusaku rants I've seen were pure speculation with either minor or strong evidence to support them.



But speculations are just that, speculations. I want to focus on the facts, thing we cannot dispute.


Example of speculation : "Kushina is just like Sakura so that means NS is going to happen"


Example of fact : "Naruto's description of Sakura in chapter 3 was 'A very cute girl that I like alot' which shows Naruto taking interest in Sakura"





I'd like mostly facts, but feel free to post any strong speculations.

Well Kushina is a very big boost to NaruSaku, whether the NH fans want to admit it or not. In a way, Kushina actually does prove NS will happen.

http://narutoxsakura...akura-299391235

"Choose a girl LIKE ME and not one you THINK IS WEIRD" From the link Iposted it proves Kushina is more like Sakura than any other female in the story. NH fans argue she's more like Hinata, or she said to "pick a weird girl" Pfft, please! facepalm.png

Loud, outgoing, speaks her mind, do any of these sound like Hinata? ....no.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jun 9 2012, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well Kushina is a very big boost to NaruSaku, whether the NH fans want to admit it or not. In a way, Kushina actually does prove NS will happen.

http://narutoxsakura...akura-299391235

"Choose a girl LIKE ME and not one you THINK IS WEIRD" From the link Iposted it proves Kushina is more like Sakura than any other female in the story. NH fans argue she's more like Hinata, or she said to "pick a weird girl" Pfft, please! facepalm.png

Loud, outgoing, speaks her mind, do any of these sound like Hinata? ....no.

yeah it's weird how they can argue against that. Like saying it was ironic to say "don't find a weird one" because Kushina is the weirdest of them all. cuz Naruto doesn't care what they think, he thinks Hinata is weird. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

Or just when they say Minato is like Hinata, and Naruto is like Kushina. boogie.gif

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jun 9 2012, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah it's weird how they can argue against that. Like saying it was ironic to say "don't find a weird one" because Kushina is the weirdest of them all. cuz Naruto doesn't care what they think, he thinks Hinata is weird. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

Or just when they say Minato is like Hinata, and Naruto is like Kushina. boogie.gif


I've even heard some of them argue that it was a mistranslation and that she really said, "Don't go for the first one you see."
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:43 PM

Facts? Okay.

Fact: Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the most focused on hetero relationship in the entire series.

Fact: Sakura is the only person of the unrequited side (Naruto >Hinata; Sasuke > Sakura) to have shown non-platonic feelings for the originating side. Chapter 245, where she blushes on first sight of Naruto, basically asks him to check her out, and then confirms later that she was reacting to his physical appearance by thinking : "Naruto didn't just mature in appearance".

Ramen Feeding Scene, because Naruto is not Hinata to blush over ever little gesture of friendship or kindness from Sakura - leading to the only logical conclusion that Naruto blushed over her offer to feed him because the offer itself was suggestive.

Hug in 450: Sakura hugged Naruto enough to get the crowd blushing, and to make one little girl make the classic "how romantic" expression.

Fact: Sakura's last shown feelings for Sasuke were cast in a overtly negative light.
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 02:26 PM

It's already been said thousands of times that Naruto likes Sakura, and Sakura personality mirrors Kushina, which is one of the traits Naruto got from Minato, a like for violent women.

The problem is the pairing war has gotten so out of hand, that the two opposing sides dispute facts.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 02:29 PM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Jun 9 2012, 06:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've even heard some of them argue that it was a mistranslation and that she really said, "Don't go for the first one you see."


They were even some who changed the translation to" find a weird one like me". facepalm.png
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jun 9 2012, 06:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Facts? Okay.

Fact: Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the most focused on hetero relationship in the entire series.

Fact: Sakura is the only person of the unrequited side (Naruto >Hinata; Sasuke > Sakura) to have shown non-platonic feelings for the originating side. Chapter 245, where she blushes on first sight of Naruto, basically asks him to check her out, and then confirms later that she was reacting to his physical appearance by thinking : "Naruto didn't just mature in appearance".

Ramen Feeding Scene, because Naruto is not Hinata to blush over ever little gesture of friendship or kindness from Sakura - leading to the only logical conclusion that Naruto blushed over her offer to feed him because the offer itself was suggestive.

Hug in 450: Sakura hugged Naruto enough to get the crowd blushing, and to make one little girl make the classic "how romantic" expression.

Fact: Sakura's last shown feelings for Sasuke were cast in a overtly negative light.


Facts aren't the most convincing, but they are the most reliable, the opposite goes for speculation

however in your second fact the only non disputable evidence is when Sakura first sees naruto after returning to the village. rest of it can be debated.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:20 PM

SMH Sakura is just like Kushina lol fiesty, strong willed, loud, hated Minato, insecure about her appearance. Theres parallels in the relationship that you can see with NaruSakul. LIke father like son. he has the same taste in women as his father. Kushina even SAID for Naruto to find a girl like her!!

So don't give me all this speculation crap when its so clear what Kishi is hinting at.

and Paptala was right in fact 2. Sakura is the ONLY girl from all one-sided pairings to show feelings beyond friendship for Naruto multiple times and there countless examples, scenes and evidence to bury you with.

So more do you want?

LOL at this dumb thread.

this threadstarter is a example of someone in deep denial and blinded by ignorance.

how about looking at the manga from a non-biased view point you might be surprised what you missed.

Edited by Living Lavish, 09 June 2012 - 04:25 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 9 2012, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Facts aren't the most convincing, but they are the most reliable, the opposite goes for speculation

however in your second fact the only non disputable evidence is when Sakura first sees naruto after returning to the village. rest of it can be debated.



You do realize you're playing with fire by coming to one of the biggest NaruSaku strongholds on the internet?

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE (kidNinja @ Jun 9 2012, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You do realize you're playing with fire by coming to one of the biggest NaruSaku strongholds on the internet?

if there is any chance that something could be viewed a different way, then its speculation.
that's why I said strong speculation is welcome.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

i think narusaku has plenty of facts, the problem is some nh fans just brush off the hints that mean a lot more in japan. the hug in the pain arc for example. and there are others too. and then they want to say sakura doesn't care about naruto. yeah right. she was the one to cheer him on in the chunun exams, plus the this time in wave arc when she blushed at him:
http://www.mangahere...02/c013/17.html

then there is the time in the wave arc when she blushed when naruto complimented her. then there are a ton of other times yet they brush it off like nothing happened except ss and nh in part 1. then there is all the times in part 2. all the nh fans i've seen just ignore japanese culture and don't even bother to look into things and think sakura is just someone that blushes a lot and hates naruto. they even deny that sakura is a tsundere. people these days...
the pain arc hug was anything but platonic, as proven here:
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Edited by ultranx, 09 June 2012 - 04:59 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:08 PM

Most of NaruSaku is not exactly facts, but uber mega strong hints that even a blind person can see.

The problem isn't facts, the problem is that some fans ignore the mangaka's intentions and twist it to suit them best.

Hint: Naruto has and always will love Sakura.
Fact with that hint: Naruto admitted he still loves Sakura and he can't confess because of the promise he made to her had yet to be fulfilled.

Hint: Sakura cares for Naruto more than Sasuke.
Fact with that hint: She went to kill Sasuke to make Naruto break that promise to her because it did nothing but hurt Naruto in the end. She was willing to have Naruto hate her forever, just as long as he wasn't hurting anymore because of the promise. She chose to KILL Sasuke to make Naruto happy.

Hint: Naruto and Sakura's feelings are not platonic for each other.
Fact with that hint: Naruto has tried to peek in on Sakura on multiple occasions. Naruto admitted to Sai that he loves Sakura, romantically. Sakura asked Naruto when they first met how she looks with a blush. She hugged Naruto in what is seen as a romantic by all spectators. Other small hints like feeding him when he was having trouble and whatnot also clue into her evolving feelings. -If you think that is platonic, then incest must be more common in the world than I thought-

Hint: Sasuke says repeatedly he wants to break the bonds with the leaf and he does not care anymore. He has never truly addressed Sakura's feelings and has no romantic feelings for Sakura whatsoever.
Fact with that hint: He has tried to kill his old team on multiple occasions in bouts of insanity.

Hint: Hinata doesn't have as much faith in Naruto's abilities and strength as Sakura.
Fact with that hint: Hinata slightly panicked when Naruto got in a fight with Tobi, but Sakura told her to relax, Naruto was fine.

Hint: Kushina said "Find a girl more like me, not a weird one"
Fact with that hint: When Naruto met Hinata, he called her weird. Being weird is not a bad thing, but he thinks she is. Sakura and Kushina have many similarities. (tsundere, childhood insecurities, similar thoughts on two certain blonds when they were young) Hinata's only similarity is their longish hair. "But they both LOVE Naruto". Well alright, then I suppose Hinata loves Naruto in a motherly way, just like Kushina.

Sometimes, there are even hints that can be interpreted as SasuSaku. Like Sakura's ambiguous feelings -though I believe she currently has feelings for both Naruto and Sasuke at this time-, Sasuke's ever hinted at return, Sakura's super desperate confession when she was young, things like that. Probably with SasuSaku as I said before is Sasuke's asexual behavior and his threads and attempts to kill Sakura along with everyone else on multiple occasions.

But what hints are there for NaruHina for example? I guess her confession is included of course, but it still hasn't technically been addressed. Naruto seems to have subtly brushed it off. They don't have any other interactions, she faints whenever she see's him in a normal setting. There was that stuff from part 1, and Naruto kept his promise to beat and fix Neji. But what else is there really?

I see that "I'll fix your clan!" is used a a lot in NaruHina debates, but assuming that Naruto meant he'd marry into the Hyuuga family and change all their laws is ludicrous. That's as bad as assuming Sasuke meant right then and there he'd start having crazy sex to revive his clan when he was 12. They were 12, yes, Naruto's a pervert, but even he isn't thinking that far.

He was most likely thinking along the lines of becoming Hokage, forcing people to recognize him, and then forcing her clan to change their ways. Much more viable don't you think?

So again, the problem isn't exactly the facts. It's just... no one is reading between the lines. Even if they do, they ignore the parts that don't suit them as if they don't exist and insist that whatever negative or non-existent hints they have much more weight than others.

We don't necessarily have more facts, we have more obvious, strong, and constant hints.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jun 9 2012, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most of NaruSaku is not exactly facts, but uber mega strong hints that even a blind person can see.

The problem isn't facts, the problem is that some fans ignore the mangaka's intentions and twist it to suit them best.

Hint: Naruto has and always will love Sakura.
Fact with that hint: Naruto admitted he still loves Sakura and he can't confess because of the promise he made to her had yet to be fulfilled.

Hint: Sakura cares for Naruto more than Sasuke.
Fact with that hint: She went to kill Sasuke to make Naruto break that promise to her because it did nothing but hurt Naruto in the end. She was willing to have Naruto hate her forever, just as long as he wasn't hurting anymore because of the promise. She chose to KILL Sasuke to make Naruto happy.

Hint: Naruto and Sakura's feelings are not platonic for each other.
Fact with that hint: Naruto has tried to peek in on Sakura on multiple occasions. Naruto admitted to Sai that he loves Sakura, romantically. Sakura asked Naruto when they first met how she looks with a blush. She hugged Naruto in what is seen as a romantic by all spectators. Other small hints like feeding him when he was having trouble and whatnot also clue into her evolving feelings. -If you think that is platonic, then incest must be more common in the world than I thought-

Hint: Sasuke says repeatedly he wants to break the bonds with the leaf and he does not care anymore. He has never truly addressed Sakura's feelings and has no romantic feelings for Sakura whatsoever.
Fact with that hint: He has tried to kill his old team on multiple occasions in bouts of insanity.

Hint: Hinata doesn't have as much faith in Naruto's abilities and strength as Sakura.
Fact with that hint: Hinata slightly panicked when Naruto got in a fight with Tobi, but Sakura told her to relax, Naruto was fine.

Hint: Kushina said "Find a girl more like me, not a weird one"
Fact with that hint: When Naruto met Hinata, he called her weird. Being weird is not a bad thing, but he thinks she is. Sakura and Kushina have many similarities. (tsundere, childhood insecurities, similar thoughts on two certain blonds when they were young) Hinata's only similarity is their longish hair. "But they both LOVE Naruto". Well alright, then I suppose Hinata loves Naruto in a motherly way, just like Kushina.

Sometimes, there are even hints that can be interpreted as SasuSaku. Like Sakura's ambiguous feelings -though I believe she currently has feelings for both Naruto and Sasuke at this time-, Sasuke's ever hinted at return, Sakura's super desperate confession, things like that. Probably with SasuSaku as I said before is Sasuke's asexual behavior and his threads and attempts to kill Sakura along with everyone else on multiple occasions.

But what hints are there for NaruHina for example? I guess her confession is included of course, but it still hasn't technically been addressed. Naruto seems to have subtly brushed it off. They don't have any other interactions, she faints whenever she see's him in a normal setting. There was that stuff from part 1, and Naruto kept his promise to beat and fix Neji. But what else is there really?

I see that "I'll fix your clan!" is used a a lot in NaruHina debates, but them assuming that Naruto meant he'd marry into the Hyuuga family and change all their laws is ludicrous. That's as bad as assuming Sasuke meant right then and there he'd start having crazy sex to revive his clan when he was 12. They were 12, yes, Naruto's a pervert, but even his isn't thinking that far.

He was most likely thinking along the lines of becoming Hokage, forcing people to recognize him, and then forcing her clan to change their ways. Much more viable don't you think?

So again, the problem isn't exactly the facts. It's just... no one is reading between the lines. Even if they do, they ignore the parts that don't suit them as if they don't exist and insist that whatever negative or non-existent hints they have much more weight than others.

We don't necessarily have more facts, we have more obvious, strong, and constant hints.


Plus they act like Sakura doesn't love Naruto as well, i mean what? of course she does.. the problem is she has deep feelings for him she doesn't know what they mean to her yet. Other thing is she acts a lot like Kushina in a motherly way when supporting, scolding him and putting him in line. witch Hinata never did.

So they lost on that point to.

Edited by Living Lavish, 09 June 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:28 PM

QUOTE (ultranx @ Jun 9 2012, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think narusaku has plenty of facts, the problem is some nh fans just brush off the hints that mean a lot more in japan. the hug in the pain arc for example. and there are others too. and then they want to say sakura doesn't care about naruto. yeah right. she was the one to cheer him on in the chunun exams, plus the this time in wave arc when she blushed at him:
http://www.mangahere...02/c013/17.html

then there is the time in the wave arc when she blushed when naruto complimented her. then there are a ton of other times yet they brush it off like nothing happened except ss and nh in part 1. then there is all the times in part 2. all the nh fans i've seen just ignore japanese culture and don't even bother to look into things and think sakura is just someone that blushes a lot and hates naruto. they even deny that sakura is a tsundere. people these days...
the pain arc hug was anything but platonic, as proven here:
http://skepto1.devia...nship-301222154

Now I refuse to believe the avrage NH or SS fan would believe any of that. I may be wrong, but I'm sure the majority of them at least know Sakura is a Tsundere that loves Naruto (if not romantic) in a friendly way.

Edited by Branden, 09 June 2012 - 05:29 PM.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 9 2012, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I refuse to believe the avrage NH or SS fan would believe any of that. I may be wrong, but I'm sure the majority of them at least know Sakura is a Tsundere that loves Naruto (if not romantic) in a friendly way.


Maybe the sensible NaruHina fans accept that fact, but many don't. Many insist they have a brother and sister relationship. Some refuse to believe Sakura is a tsundere and that she could ever grow to love Naruto romantically.

The very deluded ones think that Naruto doesn't love Sakura at all.

SS fans, from my experience, understand Sakura and Naruto's relationship much better than many NaruHina fans.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Jun 9 2012, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe the sensible NaruHina fans accept that fact, but many don't. Many insist they have a brother and sister relationship. Some refuse to believe Sakura is a tsundere and that she could ever grow to love Naruto romantically.

The very deluded ones think that Naruto doesn't love Sakura at all.

SS fans, from my experience, understand Sakura and Naruto's relationship much better than many NaruHina fans.

I think that's mainly because of the entire idea of Naruhina. Hinata and Naruto are like Sakura and Lee. In fact there was alot more believable evidence to support LeeSaku then NaruHina, yet nobody ever talks about it. NaruHina is popular because they make a really cute couple, and with popularity comes diversity. I think you experienced the worse of the NH fan-base.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 05:59 PM

Yeah, the whole "brother and sister thing" really gets under my nerves! That's probbably one of (if not my biggest) problems with the NH fans. And saying Sakura hates Naruto, or eves saying Naruto hates Sakura really pisses me off! I'm labled in the top five most creative minds in my part of the state, yet no matter how hard I try, I can never cpme up with BS like these rabbid NH fans do dry.gif

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:00 PM

Meh, it could go either way, really. Most of the things supporting NaruSaku are usually based on how they act, interact, and react with each other. Again, humans being subjective, some may see their interactions as brotherly-sisterly, friends/best friends, or romantic. At least, that's how I see it. The most definite proof is that Naruto does indeed have feelings for Sakura. The only thing ambiguous is whether or not Sakura returns those feelings or not.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 9 2012, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that's mainly because of the entire idea of Naruhina. Hinata and Naruto are like Sakura and Lee. In fact there was alot more believable evidence to support LeeSaku then NaruHina, yet nobody ever talks about it. NaruHina is popular because they make a really cute couple, and with popularity comes diversity. I think you experienced the worse of the NH fan-base.



Leeasaku and NaruHina are on the same level to me, more in the crack range. Neither have any real develpment or interation like say, SasuSaku and NaruSaku.

In all honesty, I like LeeSaku more than NaruHina. That couple is more interesting, the dynamics that is. *random input*

I have seen the worst of NH. Ive seen other terrible fans, including NS fans, but ive never seen fans as vicious as I have seen some NH fans. It wouldnt matter if there were a select few vicious NH fans in the whole. They would probably never be notcied on a large scale.

Thing is, there are many wild fans, and they are encouraged to be that way by many of their own fanbase. Not all, mind you, but a very big chunk.

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