I know, but I still think it's retarded. At the end of the day, I define a character by their actions. Sakura may have been a somewhat unsympathetic character in part 1, but overall her actions throughtout the series is anything but unsympathetic. Sasuke on the other hand, is a very sympathetic character becuase of his tragic past, but overall his actions throughout the series are very unsympathetic.
I know, I'm just offering a perspective.
I wouldn't. If someone killed by entire family because someone else killed his entire family when he was only a child, I would wan't him to fry. Sure, I would probably feel a little bit of a sympathy for him, but that still doesn't change the fact that my entire family is dead and for that, somebody has to pay.
Similarly, I can understand why Sasuke would wan't to kill the elders of the village, but I cannot and will not sympathize with his desire to essentially commit genocide on the entire village.
You did mention that before, but I am talking about the fandom as a whole, or at least the vocal minority.
So you're saying that if Naruto had been in Sakura's place during the Five Kage summit arc, people would have instantly forgiven him? I'm sorry, but that's f**king stupid. What difference does it make?
I would expect him to be criticised less for it, not to mention that being the main character, he will do something heroic in the end of the arc and the fandom would look the other way. The fandom would probably take into account that Sasuke put his arm through Naruto, so he has suffered a lot, and therefore his actions are understandable. People don't judge characters by their one action in one point in time.
Similarly, if Sakura wanted to genocide, nobody would sympathise with her, because her family was never killed.
If I was in a group with 9 other people who all had lost their parents in a tragic way and I was the only one who hadn't experienced any form of tragedy, would that mean that it would be okay of them to yell at me and call me an a**hole? Would I just have to sit there and take it because I dare to not have experienced any personal tragedies? No, of course not. The only thing that would excuse such a treatment would be if I constantly talked about how my life sucks because my parents are always nagging me (lack of perspective), if I did something like Sakura and told them that they should be grateful for not having parents because parents are always so demanding (lack of perspective) or if I straight up told them "Haha, my parents are still alive and yours aren't" (downright cruelty).
I'm not excusing the bullies or that she deserved it, I'm just saying that "people" (ie the fandom) won't give much sympathy to a character who got called a few names when the rest of the kids had to see their families slaughtered in front of them.
Unless you can name me an instance other than chapter 3 where Sakura does something like this, then I don't see where all this hate is coming from.
People don't hate her for chaper 3, they hate her for not being able to fight through half the story, fangirling, or being "mean" to Naruto. The fans feel more comfortable to bash a character who they can't sympathize.
Nobody bashes Kushina for hitting Naruto repeatedly, because she died for him.
Indeed, but that's not her fault.
It may not be her fault, but it gives the fans a reason to be unsympathetic.
My first impression of both Choji and Shikamaru were anything but good. Shikamaru was a lazy, sexist prick and Choji was a whiner and a typical "fat kid". However, as the series progressed, I eventually came to see them in a much more sympathetic light. I began to understand why they were acting like they did and when they evnetually began to (somewhat) get rid of thier begative traits, I welcomed it with open arms.
Sure, I get that Sakura as a main character has bigger expectations placed on her by the readers and this is where things get problematic, because even though Sakura is billed as a main character, a lot of times, Kishi simply treats her like a side character. Still, I think she's proven herself worthy of being a main character in her own way. So yeah, I'm convinced. Some people still arent' and some will never be, but that's life.
Well, that usually fits into what I said in my first post. The characters are either tragic , and/ or heroic. Naruto fits into the criteria quite well, but Sakura, not so much.
I don't think Tenten or Shino will get a moment to shine anytime soon, Kishimoto didn't even draw Tenten's first battle in the manga. Instead, it was an anime filler. Tenten is a sterotypical anime Chinese girl, similar to how the rest of Team Gai has strong Chinese influences. They've never ranked very high in the popularity polls, it seems like fandom doesn't really demand much from them.
I personally don't buy this idea that an character can do anything and get away without repercusion, just because of an sad or tragic past. For example, during Sakura confession, I understood Sakura reasons for doing what she did, even if the confession was fake, she was doing for the sake of Naruto, she just wanted him to stop this fruitless pursuit for an person who don't even deserve Naruto's simpathy. I believe she was right into wanting to make Naruto stop. And for Naruto on the other hand, I was extremely pissed with him, I was just sick of his obsession over Sasuke, he knew the guy was just trouble and didn't deserve his attention, yet he almost had a stroke about! So, in the end, I think what matters is not gender, past or anything like that when it comes to judge an character, it's all about their actions that define our opinions about them.
I know, I'm just saying the Naruto fandom in general is more forgiving to the tragic characters, which there are a lot of.
Edited by Nefertieh, 09 August 2012 - 01:50 PM.