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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:15 AM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Aug 7 2012, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
amen.

I'm surprised about the reports that there hasn't been a lot of fan art from the movie from the other ships. Specifically, I figured the legion that supports Hinata would have been all over the overtly sexual version of Hinata from the movie.

Sasuke is not really portrayed in a flattering light, so any Sasuke fans would probably just be meh about the movie.

But isn't this version of Hinata basically the one her character is glorified to be in a lot of fanfics assertive, beautiful, still in love with Naruto, not afraid to speak her mind. Yeah, some of the pics show her acting a little snarky, but I figured her fans would be pleased with her.

Question: I didn't see "Road to Sakura," so I can't compare, but how does AU Hinata compare with AU Sakura. Is AU Hinata more Tsundere while Sakura is a little more shy? Like they've flipped roles? I just can't remember anyone mentioning remarkable changes for AU Sakura other than her parents' situation, not like AU Hinata's dramatic changes.


well......au sakura kinda acted like naruto.........she was a little blunt......(if anything she was a sakura that didnt like sasuke) XD she pretty much acted the same.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 6 2012, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well......au sakura kinda acted like naruto.........she was a little blunt......(if anything she was a sakura that didnt like sasuke) XD she pretty much acted the same.

wieeerd.... I'm surprised. I thought she would have changed more, given how much everyone else did in AU. I'll watch it when I have time.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 02:00 AM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Aug 6 2012, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
amen.

I'm surprised about the reports that there hasn't been a lot of fan art from the movie from the other ships. Specifically, I figured the legion that supports Hinata would have been all over the overtly sexual version of Hinata from the movie.

Sasuke is not really portrayed in a flattering light, so any Sasuke fans would probably just be meh about the movie.

But isn't this version of Hinata basically the one her character is glorified to be in a lot of fanfics assertive, beautiful, still in love with Naruto, not afraid to speak her mind. Yeah, some of the pics show her acting a little snarky, but I figured her fans would be pleased with her.

Question: I didn't see "Road to Sakura," so I can't compare, but how does AU Hinata compare with AU Sakura. Is AU Hinata more Tsundere while Sakura is a little more shy? Like they've flipped roles? I just can't remember anyone mentioning remarkable changes for AU Sakura other than her parents' situation, not like AU Hinata's dramatic changes.


I think this is definitely foreshadowing of the endgame. For those fans who want to see it, there's going to be no surprises when NS becomes canon. For NH and SS, the potential of their plotline to be come reality is going to depend more and more on a desperate, game-changing, absolutely unsupported storyline switcheroo. (Which of course will never come.)

But I also think there will be bigger and bigger waves for the ships. Hinata has already made several overt mentions of love/romance/seeing it in his eyes/walking beside and holding hands. So I fully expect something to bolster the hopes of the SS shippers. And actually, I'm rooting for Sasuke to come back and appeal to Sakura...only for her to turn him away for Naruto, saying she realizes now she's only ever loved him.


I agree with this definitely. I'm bracing myself for the moment NH and SS fans regain confidence, because I have a feeling that Kishimoto will do something to bring up the hopes of at least the NH fans. For NH, Kishimoto could just show them interacting in a platonic way, or there could be another Hina<Naru moment and the NH fans will probably have their hope restored based on instances in the past. I guess the "NH moment" will restore the hope of SS fans, too, since NH and SS go hand in hand.

I'm honestly not sure what Kishimoto could do to bring up the hopes of the SS fans besides having a scene that shows Sakura still loves Sasuke, which I doubt will happen. TBH, I feel like 540 is the last Saku<Sasu moment in the manga. The anti-SS moment in RTN just reaffirms that there probably won't be much for SS fans in the future, in my opinion, but I could be wrong.

As for Hinata fans liking the AU!Hinata, too... Eh, I wouldn't mind if they didn't bash Sakura for the rare times she's aggressive, yet praise another character for doing the same thing. If it had been Sakura doing something like that, even in an AU! world, she would have been bashed with no mercy.


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Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:38 AM

After much thinking and reading from what few posts that I skimmed over, it seems that the possibility that Sakura's reaction to AU Sasuke flirting with all of those fangirls (as well as the whole "Sasuke-kun would understand me" fiasco) might have been exaggerated a bit. To what extent remains to be seen.


What I'm trying to say here is that I think it's a good possibility that sooner or later, Kishi might make Road to Ninja canon in some form. Either by releasing an official statement of some sort, including a scene in the manga that mentions the whole ordeal Naruto and Sakura go through in the film in someway shape or form, or a mixture of both. I'm especially more confident in that possibility considering the fact that the Akatsuki fight was just between the Konoha 11 and a bunch of White Zetsu Clones.


Now as for the time setting Road to Ninja takes place, I'm guessing it's somewhere between the Five Kage Summit Arc and the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc. Particularly during that one week later time skip between those two arcs and right before Tobi's fight with Konan. Though I don't remember exactly when Konan vs Tobi took place so I must remember to investigate further on that subject. Though if my memory hasn't failed me this moment, Tobi didn't go threw his major wardrobe change until the start of the Fourth Great Shinobi World War Arc, so I'm guessing that battle with Konan he had happened right at the end of the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc just before the start of the current arc we're in at this very moment.


All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie's ability to fit in to the canon timeline without creating serious problems to the flow of events and I'll be pleasantly surprised if my prediction becomes true in some form of fashion.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:50 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Aug 6 2012, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I personally agree that Sakura loves Naruto and she has already chosen him over Sasuke. Kishimoto stated she was telling the truth in her confession and she already thought negative about Sasuke in 540 she has let go of all romantic feelings for him and the only thing remaining is her bond to him. If Kishi wants to show the reader that Sakura loves Sasuke more than Naruto then he has done an awful job in showing it. If she does love Sasuke why can't Kishi just made her betray the entire village and Naruto and just go to Sasuke and tell him she loves him and wants to be with him forever? (minus her fake betrayal when her true intentions were to kill him). Even if she knows she's wasting her time in doing so because Sasuke could care less about her and he will try to kill her for the third time, but it doesn't matter because she loves him right and doesn't true love conquers all right? As long as she tells him and dies loving him then nothing will matter to her because she loves Sasuke, now if this manga was a piece of crap like Twilight then maybe that might happen but then again Kishi doesn't read crap.

Anyway agree to disagree I really don't know what Kishi has to do to show fans that Sakura loves Naruto even with RTN movie and still some doubt her feelings for him.


Thanks. I think Sakura may fear she still has remnant of feelings for Sasuke (Naruto planted those seeds of self-doubt in her head by his words- Sakura loves Naruto deeply and thus takes anything he says with passionate and conviction to heart) so her failure makes her loathe herself, thinking what a terrible person she is that she is sick in some way because she failed in ridding herself of all bonds whatsoever to Sasuke, and fears what she has sitting in their is some sort of fragment of sick romantic bond to a person that has willingly embraced violent hatred and darkness. What she doesn't realize is this isn't romantic love but the team mate bond.

Kishimoto doesn't just spell it out from Sakura's and Sai's POV, but once Naruto understands it, from his as well- When he finally begins to get it, what happens- His mental image of Sakura as the unchanged 12 year old Sasuke fangirl shatters. Naruto was "lying to himself" too. He was rigidly seeing Sakura as his 12 year old fantasy, the unattainable girl. Sakura does throw a crack in that mental wall he'd built up by his own foolish internal decision. We get that when we see his acceptance, if flippant, of Sakura's romantic feelings. That flippancy is something he regrets almost as soon as he did. When Sai in a polite way calls Naruto on his behavior when he knew Sakura is in love with him and everything she was doing was for him, Naruto looks a bit ashamed and his mental image is of Sakura as she really is now. Note as soon as he starts talking about her feelings for Sasuke, Naruto's mental image shifts to an image of her as the 12 year old unattainable Sasuke fangirl.

He also was "lying to himself" with his image of Sasuke- Gaara tries to gently wake up Naruto, but again Naruto acts badly, he wants to cling to his illusion of Sasuke. These "lying to himself" points had to be broken. It takes Naruto passing out to finally process things.

Pay attention to what Naruto says to Sasuke when he rescues Sakura- "She's a member of Team 7 too." Nothing at all about Sakura having any kind of romantic feelings for Sasuke. Naruto has finally come to understand what Sakura is dealing with, when it comes to Sasuke. Sakura and Sai were right, she has moved on romantically from Sasuke and fallen in love with Naruto. Sakura knows and embraces freely her romantic feelings for Naruto, we see that in her confession, in the way she looks at Naruto when he rescues her, and even in her words of determination to be beside Naruto (note the deliberate pause Kishimoto puts in between Sakura thinking of herself besides Naruto, then extending it out to everyone. I see a similar thing done during the love letter nin's confession, note the chapter break and Sakura's untroubled, kind but neutral expression when she says "I already love someone." Kishimoto deliberately puts the chapter break in at this point. Then we get the next chapter, the lover letter nin is continuing on even he even says "it's hopeless then, and starts praising her to the skies and says whoever she had loved must be wonderful- guess what this just painfully reminded her of- her hopeless one side crush on Sasuke, and the monster he had become, and she clearly is tearing herself down as someone awful and sick a person she really must be for failing to rid herself of all feelings for a person who willingly embraced becoming a such a monstrous person.

I'm not hacked off, I'm just exasperated at still seeing even some people who call themselves narusaku shippers not getting the plotline.

I just don't get why so many teens and 20 somethings in the west just have so much difficulty understanding shonen manga romantic plotlines, even when it feels as obvious and spoonfed as the romantic plotline in Naruto does to me. Teens and 20 somethings have had free and easy access to since they were young kids to anime and manga, while there were no regular manga being published and available to 40 somethings in US, Canada and the UK until we were into our adult years, and only the rare dubbed anime on TV until we were in our twenties as well.

Why do the majority of 40 something western manga and anime fans get at least shonen manga romantic plotlines with ease, and even did so when were in our 20's, when it was such a serious effort to get hold of in our youth?

With me, part of the answer is because I was a voracious reader anything I could get my hands on about Japanese history and culture since I was a young teenager (read Tale of Genji in English translation when I was 14- that's what I started with literature wise...) I learned the basics of the language, made friends with Japanese exchange students, etc... in my early adult years.

But I was rare to go that far in wanting to know that much in depth about Japanese history and culture- even amongst my generation. The most I saw my other age peers of anime/manga geeks (outside of seriously seeking out of access to anime and manga in the original Japanese) do was learn as much Japanese as they could, and seek out friendships with Japanese exchange students on their college campuses- hoping to find a Japanese anime/manga geek amongst them... Many didn't even do that. There were no wiki websites back then (heck the internet was still the text based Usenet rec.arts. newsgroups back then.) nor even even information books about the various anime and manga sold in America, much less translated and sold in America. There was lots of open sharing of information, like what I still do, on elements of history and culture that popped up in the shows. But everyone seem to have no problems following romantic plotlines. I never recall any comments about say Kaori being "too violent" or not actually being in love with Ryo in City Hunter, and the plotline showing the development of Kaori and Ryo falling in love with each other was done way, way more subtly than Kishimoto has done in Naruto... Yet we knew very quickly, just by picking up on things vaguely hinted at.


As for RTN tying into manga canon- wouldn't work, even in the movie "real world" there are clear divergences from manga canon. No, what RTN is, is Kishimoto doing a variant of the manga canon world in the "real world" to give a shorthand version of the story- thus Naruto and Sakura, despite being 16, act somewhat like their early part 1 selves in the real world beginning of the movie. Then they go into the freaky genjutsu world where they gradually transition to something similar to their early part 2 selves. Thus Sakura is able to somewhat teasingly tell Naruto they had been on the "longest date ever" at the end of the movie.

Edited by ciardha, 07 August 2012 - 04:05 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 03:51 AM

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Aug 6 2012, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After much thinking and reading from what few posts that I skimmed over, it seems that the possibility that Sakura's reaction to AU Sasuke flirting with all of those fangirls (as well as the whole "Sasuke-kun would understand me" fiasco) might have been exaggerated a bit. To what extent remains to be seen.


What I'm trying to say here is that I think it's a good possibility that sooner or later, Kishi might make Road to Ninja canon in some form. Either by releasing an official statement of some sort, including a scene in the manga that mentions the whole ordeal Naruto and Sakura go through in the film in someway shape or form, or a mixture of both. I'm especially more confident in that possibility considering the fact that the Akatsuki fight was just between the Konoha 11 and a bunch of White Zetsu Clones.


Now as for the time setting Road to Ninja takes place, I'm guessing it's somewhere between the Five Kage Summit Arc and the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc. Particularly during that one week later time skip between those two arcs and right before Tobi's fight with Konan. Though I don't remember exactly when Konan vs Tobi took place so I must remember to investigate further on that subject. Though if my memory hasn't failed me this moment, Tobi didn't go threw his major wardrobe change until the start of the Fourth Great Shinobi World War Arc, so I'm guessing that battle with Konan he had happened right at the end of the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc just before the start of the current arc we're in at this very moment.


All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie's ability to fit in to the canon timeline without creating serious problems to the flow of events and I'll be pleasantly surprised if my prediction becomes true in some form of fashion.


Interesting theory... I would love it if this movie turned out to be canon, however I'm not going to count on it just like you. If it does happen, yes, it would definitely be a pleasant surprise. Right now, I'm perfectly fine with semi-canon. smile.gif

QUOTE (ciardha @ Aug 6 2012, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks. I think Sakura may fear she still has remnant of feelings for Sasuke (Naruto planted those seeds of self-doubt in her head by his words- Sakura loves Naruto deeply and thus takes anything he says with passionate and conviction to heart) so her failure makes her loathe herself, thinking what a terrible person she is that she is sick in some way because she failed in ridding herself of all bonds whatsoever to Sasuke, and fears what she has sitting in their is some sort of fragment of sick romantic bond to a person that has willingly embraced violent hatred and darkness. What she doesn't realize is this isn't romantic love but the team mate bond.

Kishimoto doesn't just spell it out from Sakura's and Sai's POV, but once Naruto understands it, from his as well- When he finally begins to get it, what happens- His mental image of Sakura as the unchanged 12 year old Sasuke fangirl shatters. Naruto was "lying to himself" too. He was rigidly seeing Sakura as his 12 year old fantasy, the unattainable girl. Sakura does throw a crack in that mental wall he'd built up by his own foolish internal decision. We get that when we see his acceptance, if flippant, of Sakura's romantic feelings. That flippancy is something he regrets almost as soon as he did. When Sai in a polite way calls Naruto on his behavior when he knew Sakura is in love with him and everything she was doing was for him, Naruto looks a bit ashamed and his mental image is of Sakura as she really is now. Note as soon as he starts talking about her feelings for Sasuke, Naruto's mental image shifts to an image of her as the 12 year old unattainable Sasuke fangirl.

He also was "lying to himself" with his image of Sasuke- Gaara tries to gently wake up Naruto, but again Naruto acts badly, he wants to cling to his illusion of Sasuke. These "lying to himself" points had to be broken. It takes Naruto passing out to finally process things.

Pay attention to what Naruto says to Sasuke when he rescues Sakura- "She's a member of Team 7 too." Nothing at all about Sakura having any kind of romantic feelings for Sasuke. Naruto has finally come to understand what Sakura is dealing with, when it comes to Sasuke. Sakura and Sai were right, she has moved on romantically from Sasuke and fallen in love with Naruto. Sakura knows and embraces freely her romantic feelings for Naruto, we see that in her confession, in the way she looks at Naruto when he rescues her, and even in her words of determination to be beside Naruto (note the deliberate pause Kishimoto puts in between Sakura thinking of herself besides Naruto, then extending it out to everyone. I see a similar thing done during the love letter nin's confession, note the chapter break and Sakura's untroubled, kind but neutral expression when she says "I already love someone." Kishimoto deliberately puts the chapter break in at this point. Then we get the next chapter, the lover letter nin is continuing on even he even says "it's hopeless then, and starts praising her to the skies and says whoever she had loved must be wonderful- guess what this just painfully reminded her of- her hopeless one side crush on Sasuke, and the monster he had become, and she clearly is tearing herself down as someone awful and sick a person she really must be for failing to rid herself of all feelings for a person who willingly embraced becoming a such a monstrous person.

I'm not hacked off, I'm just exasperated at still seeing even some people who call themselves narusaku shippers not getting the plotline.

I just don't get why so many teens and 20 somethings in the west just have so much difficulty understanding shonen manga romantic plotlines, even when it feels as obvious and spoonfed as the romantic plotline in Naruto does to me. Teens and 20 somethings have had free and easy access to since they were young kids to anime and manga, while there were no regular manga being published and available to 40 somethings in US, Canada and the UK until we were into our adult years, and only the rare dubbed anime on TV until we were in our twenties as well.

Why do the majority of 40 something western manga and anime fans get at least shonen manga romantic plotlines with ease, and even did so when were in our 20's, when it was such a serious effort to get hold of in our youth?

With me, part of the answer is because I was a voracious reader anything I could get my hands on about Japanese history and culture since I was a young teenager (read Tale of Genji in English translation when I was 14- that's what I started with literature wise...) I learned the basics of the language, made friends with Japanese exchange students, etc... in my early adult years.

But I was rare to go that far in wanting to know that much in depth about Japanese history and culture- even amongst my generation. The most I saw my other age peers of anime/manga geeks (outside of seriously seeking out of access to anime and manga in the original Japanese) do was learn as much Japanese as they could, and seek out friendships with Japanese exchange students on their college campuses- hoping to find a Japanese anime/manga geek amongst them... Many didn't even do that. There were no wiki websites back then (heck the internet was still the text based Usenet rec.arts. newsgroups back then.) nor even even information books about the various anime and manga sold in America, much less translated and sold in America. There was lots of open sharing of information, like what I still do, on elements of history and culture that popped up in the shows. But everyone seem to have no problems following romantic plotlines. I never recall any comments about say Kaori being "too violent" or not actually being in love with Ryo in City Hunter, and the plotline showing the development of Kaori and Ryo falling in love with each other was done way, way more subtly than Kishimoto has done in Naruto... Yet we knew very quickly, just by picking up on things vaguely hinted at.


If Sakura is in love with Naruto (which I believe), completely out of love with Sasuke, and Naruto knows Sakura loves him, then why isn't NaruSaku canon? Because she thinks she might have remnant feelings for Sasuke? If Sakura has fallen out of love with Sasuke, then why is she blushing at him in the movie? Why was she disappointed that Sasuke was a playboy? I know it's a movie, but in my opinion, it's semi-canon because it shows author's intent.

Edited by Traci, 07 August 2012 - 04:00 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:09 AM

QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 6 2012, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why isn't NaruSaku canon?


in my opinion it is cannon and has been in Naruto's case since chapter 3 and Sakura's case since chapter 13 it is just a matter of them realizing it with one another

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:11 AM

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Aug 6 2012, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After much thinking and reading from what few posts that I skimmed over, it seems that the possibility that Sakura's reaction to AU Sasuke flirting with all of those fangirls (as well as the whole "Sasuke-kun would understand me" fiasco) might have been exaggerated a bit. To what extent remains to be seen.

Exaggerated? What do you mean?

What we know now is that Sakura saw AU! Sasuke being a playboy, thinking he cares for her when really, he's like that to every girls. She noticed it and he even say the exact line to every other girls as well as giving the same rose. In short, Sakura is nothing special to him and she realized he doesn't care for her. So she left and that's it. Crying, well one person said that she didn't cry, more like shocked.

That said I couldn't believe Kishi did that kind of trick to SS fans. I mean what is the purpose to do something like that. Granted she did ask for it when she bashed Naruto for saying, "Sasuke would understand me," so karma can be hurtful. It's just crazy that Kishi is basically saying SS is not going to happen in any worlds. That's a bad message for SS fans and bad taste that left behind.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:13 AM

QUOTE (Verilance @ Aug 7 2012, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
in my opinion it is cannon and has been in Naruto's case since chapter 3 and Sakura's case since chapter 13 it is just a matter of them realizing it with one another


I feel like NS is the pairing that's definitely going to happen, but what I'm asking is why isn't NaruSaku "official." Like why haven't they kissed and stuff?

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:16 AM

QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 6 2012, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Sakura is in love with Naruto (which I believe), completely out of love with Sasuke, and Naruto knows Sakura loves him, then why isn't NaruSaku canon? Because she thinks she might have remnant feelings for Sasuke? If Sakura has fallen out of love with Sasuke, then why is she blushing at him in the movie? Why was she disappointed that Sasuke was a playboy? I know it's a movie, but in my opinion, it's semi-canon because it shows author's intent.


You kind of answered yourself. The movie isn't tied into manga canon, it's a variant, even in the real world part. It's a shorthand version of the story. Naruto and Sakura both act more like their early part 1 selves at the start of the movie, then gradually transition to something like their early part 2 selves at the end of the movie. You can see Naruto is like his early part 1 self when they encounter Sasuke (remember at this time they don't know it's a genjutsu. If Naruto was his part 2 self he would have been crying for joy to see Sasuke back in Konoha, and wondered what miraculous event caused him to freely return and be completely comfortable in Konoha....) Yet Naruto acts instead similar to his early part 1 self toward Sasuke.


QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 7 2012, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel like NS is the pairing that's definitely going to happen, but what I'm asking is why isn't NaruSaku "official." Like why haven't they kissed and stuff?


Because kissing, unlike shoujo manga, is rather rare in shonen manga. You'll sometimes see it in the anime adaptions (re Inuyasha) but hardly ever in the manga itself. (There's this interesting split between what's in shonen manga and what's in shoujo manga. Shonen manga has tons of fanservice of female characters- bare breasts or nearly so, panty shots, boys "accidentally" or not copping a feel of a girls breast or butt, etc... but when comes to kisses, much less love making rare to none. In contrast shoujo manga- kisses are very common, even in the more innocent ones. The more sensual ones for teen girls can have several sexual scenes in the story. (see Yuu Watase's Ayashi no Ceres, most of Mayu Shinju's, etc...)

Edited by ciardha, 07 August 2012 - 04:28 AM.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:17 AM

@Traci, I agree with you.

When people argue that NS is "so obviously cannon" because yes, that is typically how the pairings end in a shonen manga, it is the world's weakest argument, in my opinion, worst than the argument from NH and SS shippers. Why? Because who cares if it is "so obviously cannon", because it at the moment it is so not cannon. Yes, Naruto will get the girl he wants in the end, which is Sakura, and Sakura will turn around and realize it was Naruto who she truly loves. I have no doubt about this, because I do know how shonen mangas typically end, so some people shouldn't assume certain things too much about other people.

Its no where near cannon until it is actually cannon. No matter how obvious it is.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:35 AM

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Aug 7 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After much thinking and reading from what few posts that I skimmed over, it seems that the possibility that Sakura's reaction to AU Sasuke flirting with all of those fangirls (as well as the whole "Sasuke-kun would understand me" fiasco) might have been exaggerated a bit. To what extent remains to be seen.


What I'm trying to say here is that I think it's a good possibility that sooner or later, Kishi might make Road to Ninja canon in some form. Either by releasing an official statement of some sort, including a scene in the manga that mentions the whole ordeal Naruto and Sakura go through in the film in someway shape or form, or a mixture of both. I'm especially more confident in that possibility considering the fact that the Akatsuki fight was just between the Konoha 11 and a bunch of White Zetsu Clones.


Now as for the time setting Road to Ninja takes place, I'm guessing it's somewhere between the Five Kage Summit Arc and the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc. Particularly during that one week later time skip between those two arcs and right before Tobi's fight with Konan. Though I don't remember exactly when Konan vs Tobi took place so I must remember to investigate further on that subject. Though if my memory hasn't failed me this moment, Tobi didn't go threw his major wardrobe change until the start of the Fourth Great Shinobi World War Arc, so I'm guessing that battle with Konan he had happened right at the end of the Confining of the Jinchuriki Arc just before the start of the current arc we're in at this very moment.


All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie's ability to fit in to the canon timeline without creating serious problems to the flow of events and I'll be pleasantly surprised if my prediction becomes true in some form of fashion.



I don't think so. In RTN, Naruto seemed to know who Kushina is because he calls her mom when he sees her with Minato in the office. Not to mention, aren't they all fighting white Zetzus in the beginning of the movie? This would have to be after the war started, if it does tie in.

Edited by Malverstation, 07 August 2012 - 04:39 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:41 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Aug 7 2012, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You kind of answered yourself. The movie isn't tied into manga canon, it's a variant, even in the real world part. It's a shorthand version of the story. Naruto and Sakura both act more like their early part 1 selves at the start of the movie, then gradually transition to something like their early part 2 selves at the end of the movie. You can see Naruto is like his early part 1 self when they encounter Sasuke (remember at this time they don't know it's a genjutsu. If Naruto was his part 2 self he would have been crying for joy to see Sasuke back in Konoha, and wondered what miraculous event caused him to freely return and be completely comfortable in Konoha....) Yet Naruto acts instead similar to his early part 1 self toward Sasuke.


The movie may not be tied into manga canon, but Sakura and Naruto are acting exactly the same, not like their part one selves. They are in another universe, but they are the same people. In the AU world, Sakura's and Naruto's character development did not reset. Besides, why would Kishimoto try to portray Sakura and Naruto as their part one selves anyway?

Yes, Sakura was acting sort of bratty at the beginning (so was Naruto), but Kishimoto was trying to make room for them to develop. At first they understand each other when it comes to family life or lack of a family life, but now that somewhat do after walking a mile in each others shoes. Sakura gets a taste of Naruto's loneliness, while Naruto gets to know what it's like having a family and how annoying it can be sometimes. If really doubt Kishimoto was trying to make them like their Part 1 selves.

Um, I'm not sure about the Naruto seeing Sasuke in Konoha part... I don't know too much about the movie. Even if they didn't know that they were in a genjutsu, Naruto's not completely stupid... Chances are he was surprised, but skeptical and weary at the same time.

QUOTE (Orenji @ Aug 7 2012, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Traci, I agree with you.

When people argue that NS is "so obviously cannon" because yes, that is typically how the pairings end in a shonen manga, it is the world's weakest argument, in my opinion, worst than the argument from NH and SS shippers. Why? Because who cares if it is "so obviously cannon", because it at the moment it is so not cannon. Yes, Naruto will get the girl he wants in the end, which is Sakura, and Sakura will turn around and realize it was Naruto who she truly loves. I have no doubt about this, because I do know how shonen mangas typically end, so some people shouldn't assume certain things too much about other people.

Its no where near cannon until it is actually cannon. No matter how obvious it is.


Yep, I do think it will be canon, but there are definitely some things that need to be resolved before NaruSaku is finally canon. Here's what needs to happen in my opinion:

Sakura needs to get rid of her love for Sasuke completely and utterly, and there needs to be no doubt in her mind if she is to get with Naruto. She then needs to become completely aware that she is in love with only Naruto, if she hasn't already. Everyone keeps asking her, "How do you feel about Naruto? How do you feel about him?" Even databook 3 (which is pretty old) says she hasn't reached the answer about how she feels about Naruto. Obviously, she is going to have to come up with an answer and make it clear, again, if she hasn't already. If he hasn't already, Naruto needs to realize that Team 7 will never be the same again, but I think he has realized that already.

Plus, they probably need to discuss Sakura's confession at Kage Summit, however they're interacting with each other like nothing happened, so I might be wrong about this one. Also, I feel like Hinata's confession should be addressed as well, since Naruto would be really mean to just leave her hanging. Then, I think there needs to be a conclusion reached about Sasuke for NaruSaku to be canon. Finally, Naruto and Sakura also need to stop hiding things, so they can help each other fully like another member mentioned.

This may sound like a whole lot, but I still feel like we are in wayyyyyy better shape then SS (for obvious reasons, imo) and NH because they barely even know each other, lol. Also, some of these obstacles may be solved at the same time. For example, Sakura might realize she is completely over Sasuke at the same time she realizes she loves Naruto, if she hasn't realized that already.

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#5314 NaruSaku4Life3g

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:21 AM

I wouldn't say they went back to part 1 counterparts, rather Kishi brings out the worse of these characters in the beginning. It's as if this movie is not based on a manga or something. Anyway, the movie is about Naruto and Sakura switching sides to understand each other better. Sakura has thought people who has no family are the lucky one, which does refer to chapter 3. I guess Kishi actually wants this to be in the manga, but no time. As for Naruto, he thought if by having a family, he will have a great life. So in AU, they switched roles.

From what I can see, at first I thought the movie moral will be a little bad because I assume the movie moral is "All great things come to a end." What I mean is that they can't stay because it's fake, but it's awesome to them. That will be a bad message imo. But after reading the spoilers, now I can say that Kishi did a great job. For Sakura, the main moral for her is that she should be happy to have a family to fill her loneliness. She thought it was going to be fun, but as time progresses, you will feel lonely. It's like Home Alone. Of course, she also learns that Naruto has been suffering like this for a long time and seeing him staying happy is one tough guy. She acted like a kid when at home because of no one to tell her what to do. But now, she should be happy to be with a family, day and night. So that's the moral for her side of the story.

As for Naruto, this one is a tricky one and I really like how Kishi did his part. At first, he hated Madara for bringing his parents back to life and trying to fool him. So, he acted like Sakura, being spoiled to his parents (ex: not eating dinner, not cleaning the table). As time goes by, he actually loves it and wants to stay. The situation is different from Sakura because this is what Naruto wanted and there's no flaw to it, besides being called Menma at the start. He was so happy that not even Sakura wants to break it. The main problem is that Naruto actually wants to stay, because he has everything. Sakura was growing sad because although she don't want to ruin his happiness, she felt that Naruto would rather stay than going back alone. The fence scene is what many people highlight the most because it was the beginning of them splitting up, which is deep in the eyes of the audience. You can hear "awes" in Kishi's interview. Now, the breaking point happens. I don't know when it happens (I will ask) but Sakura tells him that she wants to go back home because they belong there where real heroes sacrificed their lives to protect the one they loved. Sakura always saw Naruto the true hero of the world, hence her shout to Menma. Naruto's side of the story moral is don't abandon your real life for something that's illusion to you. He should not live in a world that's not truly his, because his true parents' death will be all for nothing. If Naruto stays, he will be selfish to Sakura. Naruto's parents sacrificed themselves for the future (Naruto), and Naruto cannot break their wishes, hence the flashback. He knew that he was wrong to think that his life is in AU. Even he sacrifices his only chance to be with a family, he doesn't want to be selfish and wants Sakura to go home so she can be happy, so he went to rescue her with no help.

I got to say, looking back right now, this movie is a really good plot and I can see why people really enjoyed this movie a lot. I know we all going to like it extra special with all the NS moments, but I know this movie will be great standalone.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:52 AM

^ Said like a boss.

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#5316 KnS

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:57 AM

QUOTE (ciardha @ Aug 6 2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He also was "lying to himself" with his image of Sasuke- Gaara tries to gently wake up Naruto, but again Naruto acts badly, he wants to cling to his illusion of Sasuke. These "lying to himself" points had to be broken. It takes Naruto passing out to finally process things.

I agree. Naruto had to endure a lot of shattering images and accept a lot of reality-altering truth in those Land of Iron scenes.

Quite frankly, I don't often get irked with Naruto but the way he treated Gaara really ticked me off. Knocking Gaara's hand off his shoulder was such a bratty thing to do, and you could tell Naruto was just being stubborn and willfully blind.

BTW, the only major down side to RtN is no Gaara. dry.gif



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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:25 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Aug 6 2012, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, the only major down side to RtN is no Gaara. dry.gif


Are you sure about that? Do we really need to see an alternate version of Gaara?
Oh My God, the possibilities of an alternate Gaara.................

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:39 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Aug 7 2012, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you sure about that? Do we really need to see an alternate version of Gaara?
Oh My God, the possibilities of an alternate Gaara.................


Getting kicked off the internet for this one.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:57 AM

QUOTE (zacrathedemon5 @ Aug 7 2012, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Getting kicked off the internet for this one.


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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:35 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Aug 7 2012, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its not SS thats the problem for me.....cause i know sasuke doesnt like sakura and even if he turns good never will like sakura.(cause he didnt in part 1)

but...im just worried about when sakura will be all aboard the narusaku ship, instead of constantly trying to find a way for her to still have a reason to like sasuke. (which im sure she stopped....but...its hard to tell whether shes thinking about sasuke cause shes worried as a team-mate and friend or cause she still likes him) maybe she doesnt even know....

i just want kishi to make it canon that sakura completely wants naruto ONLY

....maybe im more worried NO ship happens......not sasusaku.

well either way....this movie made me feel alot better :3


I think she will probably always love Sasuke, as all girls do with their first crush, but she will never really be able to bond with him. Sasuke and Naruto's bond is far more pronounced in this story.

Not to mention when she's around Sasuke, she is always suppressing her true inner self.

I've seen a lot of mention that Sakura wanted Sasuke's acknowledgement. That may be true, but don't forget she also wanted Ino's respect and acknowledgement. You can't be good friends unless you see each other as equals.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 7 2012, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So yeah, that's the reason why people from other FC are quiet. Take this person quote for example:

You wouldn't believe this but.... The movie where Sakura was captured and chained like Kushina did and at the same time Naruto carries her in bridal way like Minato did.

I know it's just a movie but still it's really a Ns fanservice done by Kishi who did the movie.

Im getting sick of these parellals.


How do you think they feel?


Maybe they should've read more of the manga? =X

QUOTE (Traci @ Aug 7 2012, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I feel like NS is the pairing that's definitely going to happen, but what I'm asking is why isn't NaruSaku "official." Like why haven't they kissed and stuff?


Because the longer the story goes, the longer he can keep fans engaged. The same reason why Sasuke is still walking on the dark side. If this was an American sitcom or drama, Naruto and Sakura would've probably dated and broken up three times already.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Aug 7 2012, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto's side of the story moral is don't abandon your real life for something that's illusion to you. He should not live in a world that's not truly his, because his true parents' death will be all for nothing. If Naruto stays, he will be selfish to Sakura. Naruto's parents sacrificed themselves for the future (Naruto), and Naruto cannot break their wishes, hence the flashback. He knew that he was wrong to think that his life is in AU. Even he sacrifices his only chance to be with a family, he doesn't want to be selfish and wants Sakura to go home so she can be happy, so he went to rescue her with no help.






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