My Living Curse

 
Being a little kitten who still takes it up the ass from sasuke like everyone in this Damn series.naruto's no hero he's a joke even in that scene where kauri beat him granted I did like seeing that now. That and him begging the ay to forgive sasuke and not kill him was were naruto's character really started to go down hill more. I'm glad ay didn't listen to naruto's crap
 

God he's such a kitten, you wouldn't see haru, Ichigo, Natsu, yusuke do something like. Further proving naruto is one of the worse heroes ever. The linkara "our hero ladies and gentlemen "joke really fits here, cause naruto is so out of character. I'll give Danzo one point he finally order a hit on sasuke something that tsunade should have when he's ass crossed the border or when he tried killing naruto, but no attempted murder and going rogue cause he's part of a clan doesn't allow that if you aren't itachi.

After all the emotions, the struggles, everything Naruto did to grow strong to defend his village, the dreams to become Hokage, he puts the Sauce above all else. I can't fathom going from the Pain arc and then seeing Naruto get beat up by Karui for Sasuke, grovel in front of another Kage for Sasuke and faint when the truth hits him for Sasuke. It's embarrassing and its not the Naruto I grew up with.

Besides, Sai says it the best:

First of all what kisimoto says is very contradictory he said Naruto was a battle manga it was never a romance manga(even you admitted that) and after that he said I quote "I thought of putting a love triangle and see how it will play out".After the ending of manga he said that NH and ss planed from the beginning, see the contradiction.Also when he said that Sakura was a kiba type character now thats a stretch.A character which helps the main character grow and in 95% of the manga is compared to kiba level character it like comparing Ron from harry potter to a unnamed death eaters from book.

When the hell Sakura's crush changes to love when she had spent time with saskue even less than of karin. Even if I convince myself it changes from crush to love it was one sided love nothing more,nothing less.Saskue never said he loved her and the saskue's words post Sakura's confession was necessary because kisimoto had to convince the readers.

I never really understood how Sasuke and Sakura are a reasonable pair.  It's abusive, and completely unhealthy and it continues to show in the Burrito series.

Behold, the definition of true, young love everybody! Remember the poor boy is just holding in "repressed" feelings! Here's some tips to a girl's heart...      

Besides even Sasuke said it better himself:  

I was originally going to post this in the Naruto Discussion Thread but I didn’t want it to just get lost in there. Apologies in advance if this doesn’t warrant a new thread but we worked quite a while to compose it. We compiled this thread in order to come to a conclusion as to why certain things were done. Old news or new news, it’s something that’s always been bewildering.

Please do not read/debate this with any form of bias. We are dedicated Naruto fans, but REAL fans take the time to point out and discuss flaws and inconsistencies (Unlike 95% of youtube).   

Originally after 615, I thought that the manga’s fate was sealed with NH happening (Well as far as holding hands and passing chakra goes). But here’s the thing, nothing progressed with that afterwards. In fact, it was the complete opposite phenomenon. Throughout the next 30-40 chapters or so, Kishimoto composed panel upon panel of similar events which we put together.   

Thesis 1: First we have this parallel between Kushina and Sakura. When Minato asks if Sakura is his girlfriend, he responds “Yea!”

Why include this parallel? Why have Naruto confirm he still loves Sakura? Why have Minato compare Sakura to Kushina? (which brings us back to Kushinas words: “Find a girl like me”). If this is not the “desired” outcome, then why include it?

Now we put together more various moments/panels.

Thesis 2: Okay, we see Sakura showing concern about Naruto’s excessive use of chakra in protecting the Allied Shinobi Force. It can be done once to get that point across. But why the need to add PANEL upon PANEL emphasizing her worries and facial expressions. Take a good look at the care and detail he’s portraying. I mean it’s unnecessary at this point right? (that’s the initial thought).

Moving on, we have another composition.

Thesis 3: Ok so Naruto had his tailed beast extracted and Sakura is trying to keep him alive. Again we could have just skipped towards the part where Naruto is taken by Gaara to Minato/the point where Obito inserts the missing part of the biju inside him. But again we don’t.

Instead Kishimoto takes the time to make all these PANELS, with Sakura worrying to death about Naruto. Again take a look at the facial expressions and thoughts. She thinks about his dreams, his goals and fears of him disappearing.

Isn’t it a little overboard? Again if Kishimoto has another ending in mind why spend time on ALL these panels, details and emphasizing these thoughts and memories from Sakura’s viewpoint?

Thesis 4: Then we also have this entire page/panel dedicated to Naruto and Sakura, and Sasuke and Karin.

Again you’ll say that Sakura is Naruto’s “designated healer” and Karin is Sasuke’s “designated healer”. Ok I get that but again. WHY THE NEED TO DEDICATE AN ENTIRE PAGE/PANEL?

Usually an entire page is taken when an author wants to put greater emphasis on something happening. Again you’ll say: “Well yea Naruto and Sasuke are dying, he’s emphasizing that”. BUT AGAIN. Why the need to place Sakura and Karin crying so desperately for each. Take a look at the precise care, details and emotions he’s undertaking here. There must be a reason; you don’t just make such decisions haphazardly.   

Thesis 5: And finally we have this final parallel (we put the two side by side) when Naruto and Sasuke are “resurrected”.

Okay you’ll say that they’re up and ready to go fight. But again, Kishimoto is dedicating ENTIRE PANELS showcasing the same parallel. Karin by Sasuke’s side, Sakura by Naruto’s side. Again if you’re focused on finishing the manga with a different outcome, then WHY litter the manga with multiple panels and parallels of such events. There’s a point trying to be made, and it’s consistent.

So now we come to the final question: Why would Kishimoto do this if the goal is NH & SS? Why not have Hinata by Naruto’s side? Why isn’t Sakura running to Sasuke’s side? Don’t give me the excuse that they're in different areas. There’s always a way to do something if you REALLY want to. But again Kishimoto doesn’t do it.

In fact, she doesn’t even once, question about Sasuke’s well-being. She only cares about what’s happened with Naruto. Shocking isn’t it?

Now here’s the thing: After all this development and dedication towards each panel’s art and story, everything does a complete snap in 693.

Sakura cries her eyes out, begs Sasuke to stay and that she loves him till he knocks her out and quotes how he has no reason to love her nor does she. Again, how does this come out of nowhere. It completely reduced her character back to her 13-year-old self when Sasuke was leaving the village with the Sound Ninja 5. There was no other similar interaction even when Sasuke entered the battlefield during the 4^th War arc. So WHY the sudden outburst, tears and begging? And poor Naruto just standing there watching and listening.

So here’s the conclusion WE came to: Somewhere along the line, whether it was the studio/editors/crazy fan base or a combination of all, the decision was made that the end pairing would be Naruto Hinata, and Sasuke Sakura to make the most money off the Burrito series.

Hinata’s popularity was rising (primarily in the West) while Sakura was gathering way too much hate, so Kishimoto went by that regardless of his personal preference fearing backlash.

Back on topic: If so, then WHY didn’t Kishimoto spend the chapters of the War arc to flesh and establish these relationships (NH & SS) with interactions, development and whatnot.

The answer is simple. Because that was NOT his original plan.

Edit 1: Part 2 Naruto starts off with a constant theme which continues up to the Pain arc. Look at these panels which seem to have been forgotten by many:

Look at the way Kishimoto draws each other's looks and how he writes their dialogues (the blushing, gestures, etc). Then we have these other panels.

The first confirms that Sakura did indeed find Naruto attractive in appearance. And then the second panel, where Yamato quotes: " It's how strongly you feel that counts". 

Back to the topic: So ultimately, what made him steer away from this path he builds right when Shippuden starts?

 Kishimoto KNEW that the ending was inevitable, and he couldn’t get out of it (for whatever reason). But what he could do is write what he wanted AS he wanted when he made his outlines for the arc.

The panels showcasing Sakura’s/Karin's facial expressions, thoughts, and feelings about Naruto/Sasuke were not just mere coincidence. 

Otherwise it seems like a waste of time. He could’ve spent the time, energy and panel space to add NH moments or SS moments.

As we say, it’s a NaruSaku story, with a NaruHina ending. Same with Sasuke and Karin. I can't wrap my mind on any other reasoning. There's WAY too much art, development, and emotions being built throughout the manga. These things take time to draw, devise and finalize by the author. You can't just throw them out like garbage.   

Last words: Naruto’s downfall & curse will always be its popularity and toxic fan base. Most of the fans who grew up with kid Naruto 15-18 years ago gave up on the manga long ago. They knew what Naruto stood for, the meaning, the symbolism, etc. Today’s Naruto fan base is composed of kids who care only if Naruto can beat Goku, blow up a planet and big melons (yes the fruit).

Nevertheless, what is your explanation/answer to all this. Do you agree/disagree and why/why not, etc.

 

 

Secondly Naruto never confessed to Sakura aka the girl that he actually loves, and no your interpretation of that being addressed when it was never addressed is once again wrong.

Thirdly the criminals of the series walked away scot-free. Going on vacations and seeing the world while be able to do what you want is not a punishment.

Fourth thing Naruto failed at keeping all of his promises including the one to bring/save Sasuke. Itachi did the heavy lifting and in the end Sasuke just gave up. Sasuke is not back in Konoha, nor was he saved by Naruto.

Fifth thing spending your time in an office while sending clones to your kids qualifies as ignoring them.

Number six, Naruto in one of the novels bad-mouths Tsunade by calling her a drunken something, just so he can have Kakashi take the role of Hokage so later on Kakashi can pass it on to him. That's actually how they made Kakashi the Hokage, and when Kakashi got tired of being in that position he passed it on to Naruto. Well Konohamaru if we're actually being truthful here.

I've always found Hinata to be pretty creepy the way she stalked Naruto but that picture is hilariously spot on!

Loved all the points you made. Couldn't have said it better my self. 

 

All because Sasuke had to be killed, and he lies there like a little b itch  worrying for his so called "best friend"  Your Hero who defeated Pain everyone. Just got defeated by the simple way of telling him that Sasuke needs to die. 

Ah yes. The continuation of the downward spiral. It was also embarrassing watching him get willingly beat up into a bloody pulp by Karui in the name of Sauceke. I mean you just saved an entire village and gained the recognition you've sought for years. What are you doing?!

Ah yes. The days when you heard that sweet, sweet music it meant it wast time TO GET THE HELL UNDER THE BED!!!

 

Oh the memories. Especially how we went from this:

To this:

What is this stuff anymore lol! 

I'm going by interviews so here's what I remember. Sakura was always meant to model his wife. Even His wife shipped Naruto and Sakura. Then there was that whole argument where he tried to tell his wife that Hinata was "actually" meant to be her real representation and whatnot. I kinda wish I could get that whole argument in writing! 

Then in another interview, one of the reasons for letting Ikemoto work on the Burrito manga series is because he felt bad and wanted him to get published. I quote: "If he wasn't going to create his own series, then I wanted him to get published even if it was continuing my work."

As for the Naruto Franchise: Long story short; studio got greedy, editors interfered way too much, Kishimoto sold out, yada yada, Naruto became a milking machine to pad wallets. I never could have predicted such a fate back in '05.

Yahagi, you left us too soon. Wherever you are now...

From Part 1 Naruto: I'd say Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom remains the most memorable to me. It had some of my favorite moments and they would air it on TV almost every other Sunday back in '08. I remember how they would also air like 3-4 back to back episodes of the Chunin Exams Arc on weekdays. Naruto was a REALLY big deal back then.

Part 2 Naruto barely made its presence on TV. I think Disney XD (out of all franchises) initially took the rights but cancelled it due to its content. Well that and the fact the start of Shippuden was extremely slow. Then it went to Neon Alley in like 2011 before that fell apart. Afterwards, it returned to Toonami in 2014, but they only aired ONE episode every Saturday at like 2:30 am. Jeez that's harsh. (They finally got to the Pain fight about 3 weeks ago so I guess I'm done following it now). But it's still sad because the English voice acting was really good, especially Pain's, and they barely get enough credit 

As for Part 2 Naruto: Road to Ninja remains my favorite movie of all time. It had nice family themes and sweet NS development. I also love that scene where Naruto puts on the Hokage cloak the same way Minato did when he saved Kushina and went to fight the 9 tails. That was always something I thought Kishimoto would implement in the manga himself. >_>

The other Shippuden Movies weren't really that good. Bonds made me laugh way too much for my own good. Seriously what was up with that. Lost Tower felt pointless aside from the look alike Minato. Blood Prison was decent but the way they treated Naruto was so cruel and then they just make a joke out of it.

As for The Last and Burrito, I was rushed to the emergency room for corrective eye surgery and then a scan to see how much damage my brain cells received. The medical results said my life expectancy was greatly reduced but the doctor told me I was braver than him for even attempting to watch such films...