What is going on  with  Hinata?

 

Looks like she found the true Tenseigan that Toneri was talking about.

The movie was in limbo and may have moved out of it, only due to One Piece.
 
A big problem with the appeal of Naruto is something antithetical to Modern Hollywood. Naruto strives towards his dream trying to move pass his sad past, Hollywood wants their character to obsess over their oppression as they think that makes their characters deep.

I just worry about anything Naruto related given the state the franchise is in, because too often, it's just gonna suck!

YEEEAAAH, Knocking down and blowing up an essential part of Naruto's character (the POAL) obviously wasn't gonna backfire.    You either completely undermine Naruto's understanding of love and make him a self serving hypocritical douchebag or you accept Hinata was a pity prize. One contradicts the other.

And you won't make Sakura seem like she's a manipulative beeyotch using what she knows to get what SHE wants.... </sarcasm>

at least the studio that did the one piece live action learned from their mistakes with cowboy bebop shocking i know plus they got oda involved and if he didn't like what they were doing it was a no go. granted it seems they did alot of condinsing of the east blue arc

Mmhmm.

Live-action is currently on the works... oh boy.

Yep... and it worries me too.

With all the craziness that we had  to deal with regarding the NH and SS fans (and still do, with less intensity), we can easily forget that they are NH and SS fans out there that are chill and can see reasons.
 
Some fans can enjoy the idea outside the canon reality (like fanfiction) and hate the canon, some can accept that the writing was kitten but accept the rest and some, while not agreeing with everything, can admit that NS (with SK) was the most logical pairing(s) that would affect the story a lot better for the majority of the main characters and also, would have a much better flow with the story in general. 
 
 I have a friend that was shipping NH and I told her, read the integrality of the manga vs watching the anime and you know what, she did and said that it did make a lot more senses to have NS as canon and understood now a lot better my points. She even said that while she was no longer a fan of the serie, that with all what she compared, she would have probably change from NH to NS for sure.
 
Hell, when starting watching the anime, I was a NH shipper (not an hardcore one tho just enjoyed it a little) but as soon as I started reading the manga, I switched instantly on NS. With that point in mind, I totally get why, only anime fans (mostly the westerns fans), ship hard NH because right from the very beginning (at least, with the fillers episodes between the first part and shippuden), SP was bias with Hinata.

Too bad not many people can be like your friend in terms of the shipping side of things.

Question, what was wrong with Sakura falling in love with Naruto? What was wrong with her changing her feelings?

Nothing. People just wanted her out of the way because they assumed Hinata "deserved" Naruto.

I do think many of them are now growing up and finding out what real kittening relationships are like. They are nothing like SS or NH and as we have tried telling them over the years how bad both pairings are and how they make no sense.

For the female fans who desperately wanted a dark prince to save and heal aka SS they are reaching the age which they can now see Sasuke was a prick who Sakura shouldnt have gave a kitten about after all the crap he did to her.

The NH fans are learning as they get older Hinata has nothing but being a yes girl for Naruto.

I do think many will still say SS and NH were the greatest thing to ever happen in the Manga, but as the readers get older many will start to change their views. Do you think when they reach 40 and have children and see how they act they will still think NH and SS are all that amazing? I dont think they will I think they will look back at this and know how stupid they were for think this.

Not all mind you we know many will always simp over Hinata and Sasuke thinking they were done perfectly.

Sorry for any mistakes I did this on my phone.

Nicely said! And it is true, as well as it showing how the people in Studio Pierrot seem to not grt how real relationships work if they had to mess with something good like what Kishimoto was cooking with NS and even SK.

Well I can't say  that indicates what the fandom generally feels but that is nice to hear at least. doubly so if it some sort of former NH fan

I agree, Phantom.

The biggest factor comes from the death of Kenji Kishimoto (Masashi's father) early in 2014, and honestly a 3 month break at least could've been more than enough to give him more than enough time to properly flesh out at the very least the last 3 & a half volumes.   
 
 
Regardless of who was canon at the end ->  that to me is irrelevant in this conversation personally. 
 
 
I'm more so referring to that it would've given Masashi proper time to grieve, but also give him the chance to think of Madara could've been taken out in a satisfying way at the very least by the end of Volume 70.  Then the last 20 chapters in my opinion could've easily been dedicated to The Naruto vs Sasuke fight, and have a great conclusive ending.
 
 
 
This might just be me, but  I do like that the final page of the series was this: 
 
 

I know what you mean. If he took a break, it'd ease his heart and mind. It shows the sad reality of the manga industry at times.

Also, the final page of Chapter 700 is also a nice parallel to the mural drawing of Minato when he sealed Kurama into Naruto to stop his Obito-induced rampage.

Kishimoto ultimately was playing Yes man to the authorities that were gaslighting him saying what a great heroine Hinata was and that she was more popular than Sakura because she is a submissive housewife type of girl that Naruto deserves and even go as far as to say that she is popular in the west because of a few youtuber otaku wannabes (I don't need to list them because everybody here knows whom I'm talking about, but feel free to input their names if you wish). Obviously they DID NOT do their research because they were ultimately hearing what they WANTED to hear and so that validated their personal views of Hinata too, ending with them pushing and pushing until Kishi said yes and it was because he just did not want to deal with the stress of it all anymore. He was finally hit with the consequences of writing manga consuming his life when his father passed away so he just caved in and thought he was giving the fans what they wanted because it was what all his editors ever since Yahagi left as his editor to be editor in chief for Jump Square, were telling him. "Hinata Hyuga is the greatest s** doll wife for Naruto and Sakura Haruno is a ball busting, emasculating she-devil that shouldn't deprive Hinata of her happiness and should get it on with her abusive neglectful crush." You can tell of of this is true because the writing in the movie doesn't add up, since it wasn't Kishi writing it. It wasn't even anyone familiar with Naruto from what I remember, as it contradicted Chapter 1/ episode1 of all things in the franchise. And well, here we are.

Doesn't help that Kishi was dealing with depression due to his dad dying, which doesn't help either with what Studio Pierrot and his editor at the time did with telling him all those falsehoods about Hinata, and how he was ready to call it quits as is. Which is what sucks BIG TIME.

I belive that was a misstranslation and instead they are going with his original drafts

Huh.

 
 
I would say Kishimoto is more bitter than traumatized about how his characters turned out. He knew it was a bad idea but 6 or so years from people around him pushing for it, convinced him to do it, and everything that has happened since then has shown that to been the worse choice he could have made for his manga. He also can't do anything about it, even if he wanted to or had the will, till the sequel is over.

And it doesn't help he didn't get to properly grieve over his dad's passing, which left him in a state of depression.

I have the impression that Pierrot pays for bots to defend Boruto. This happens because recently there has been a discussion on Twitter that everything in the Boruto anime is canonical, and there are no fillers, based solely on the statements of the writers that everything is endorsed by Kishimoto, which supposedly makes all events canonical. They seem to ignore the fact that Pierrot conveniently erased elements from "The Last" when necessary. Additionally, there is a group of people that appears to be composed of bots, excessively defending the Uchiha family with questionable arguments, and even resorting to using novels that sometimes resemble fanfics.
 
When I visit the profiles of these individuals, it feels like I've entered a fantasy world, where Sasuke's personality seems to have come out of some generic shoujo anime. The majority of these profiles were created exactly in 2017, the year when the anime came to an end and the couple in question faced a lot of criticism.

That doesn't seem too farfetched. Some studios seem to do that a LOT.

No, Kishimoto wasn't trying to gaslight anyone.  The quote that I posted is just the desperate, self-deceptive rationale that NaruHina fans clutch to because acknowledging the alternative - that it only came about because he was forced -, is too bitter a truth to accept.  He's stated in the past that he doesn't understand Hinata's appeal and that he resisted when people tried to convince him to replace Sakura with her as the lead heroine.  Add to that, he confirmed that Sakura's confession to Naruto was genuine, to say nothing of the numerous parallels that he's drawn between between them and other relationships in the series. (Rin/Obito, Jiraiya/Tsunade,  Sakura's parents as well as his own)
 
Then you have his father directly comparing Sakura to his wife,  Naruto introducing her as his girlfriend (with her not even denying it), saving Naruto with the Kiss of Life, etc.  You don't put that much ridiculous effort into structuring and developing a relationship with a clearly romantic tint for hundreds of chapters, just to go "Psyche!  The real heroine/love interest is the side character chick who contributes absolutely nothing to the overall series and barely interacts with the protagonist because boobs and men love submissive females! Kakakakaka!"  He wasn't even involved with the Last aside from the movie novelization and there, he illustrated that Naruto's feelings for Hinata were out of obligation for not realizing that she was in love with him.  Dude has even gone on record of saying that the NaruHina couple is "born out of pity for Hinata". 
 
And if NaruHina was planned, then he wouldn't go out of his way to show how dysfunctional their family dynamic is or how miserable and negligent Naruto himself is as both a husband and father.

Kishimoto didn't try to gaslight anyone, It was Hinata's fanatics in WSJ, Studio Pierrot that see how hyped up she was in the west that gas lighted HIM AND EVERY fan that actually read the story. They thought that the populace that appreciated Hinata Hyuga as a "submissive dutch wife" wife as much as them was WAAAAY bigger than it actually was and appealing to her was the ticket to make Naruto sell even more internationaly and stroke their egos on how how much the the Hinata Hyuga community loved Hinata Hyuga. See how badly tht back fired, and I just laugh at the irony of it. Kishimoto isn't some manipulative maniac with a hidden agenda, he is a man exhausted and and tired of spending so much time drawing this one series and just wanted to end it because he realizes how much time it takes away from him spending time with his family which is what he realized when his father passed away. Albeit I still would put my faith in any manga brand with his name in it anymore, but objectively everyone has to realize he was not the problem with Naruto's decline, it was greed and vicarious lust for a fictional side character that actually had no impact on the plot.

Exactly, guys! And we've seen how Studio Pierrot and Kishi's editors took it too far as well as his being in grieving since his dad died and his feeling burnt out as if he didn't care anymore by the end of the series.

At that stage, I wouldnt say narusaku was six feet under, only strangely sidelined. The movie author had to really kill it, considering so much of the manga hammered in the fact that Naruto really loves Sakura.

That particular plot-point in The Last was not only lazy writing, but it also made Naruto look like scumbag. I mean, really? Lie about your feelings and worse, for rivalry? Even though your rival couldnt give a damn about her?

What's just as bad is it makes it feel like Sakura toyed with Naruto's "feelings" to use him to get Sasuke back, which is just as terrible as what that dumbass plot idea did to Naruto!

If Naruto married Sakura... Sakura would not let Naruto miss their daughter's birthday. And if he did,  she would march on to his office and force him to come.

And she'd get him to take breaks rather than work work work.

And the fact that Naruto doesn't even deny it makes it worse. Especially when you recall that the *real* reason Sakura and Ino fought over Sasuke was a pretext so that Sakura could be included within a group among her peers and avoid being ostracized over her forehead.

Right!? It was based on a rivalry on top of Sakura wanting to be able to prove herself to Ino, which is what makes it so hypocritical at the same time for the writers of The Last to ignore that fact just to "justify" the "needs for Naruto to "only love" Hinata.

One thing that always struck me as funny was how they essentially stole the Sakura/ Ino rivalry to kill narusaku. The part where Sakura explains Naruto perused her because of his rivalry with Sasuke. That explanation makes no sense, its just lazy plagiarism.

It also pisses me off because all it did was make Sakura seem like she was USING Naruto to get what she wanted, ruining her in the process while doing the same to Naruto and his empathy!

Kurama

One thing about this is Kurama was very, VERY evil in terms of personality when being inside Kushina. I wonder this happened because his yin/yang chakra was whole/intact before Minato split that in half when sealing him into Naruto.

I assume Kurama's early attitude is from his bitterness at how others treated him because of Madara making him an unwilling weapon in his revenge against the Leaf and the Uchiha, thus making Hashirama seeing him as a monster, as did Mito, then Kushina. After all, anyone in his shoes who was judged unfairly and forced to be imprisoned for something they didn't do of their own free will would be pissed too.

 

 

Tell me about it there's just so much about Naruto and Sakura's bond that tells me that they were meant for so much more than just simply best friends. 

 

 

All the parallels Minato and Kushina had with each other in the one-shot DEFINITELY reflects what was meant to be endgame!

This chapter really hit in the feels! 
 
 
Shoot, I'm sitting here going like.... Give me the next one!  Don't leave me hanging right there! lol

I know!

 
This is beautiful.

Damn right!

Naruto's obsession with Sasuke was weird. I mean In KH2, Sora was looking for Riku because he was worried he might be dead. Especially after he asked Mickey and he wouldn't answer.

Plus there's the concern Riku had for how Ansem/Xehanort had used him in the course of the first game, and Riku being blinded by the guilt on his conscience for letting himself be used dud to his jealousy.

I'd have liked some of the fights Milan brought up for Sakura, as well as a friendly spar between Naruto and Lee.