Bail o' Lies

Right, I'm going to use Star Wars and MHA to go into why its generally a bad idea to subvert an ending.

Spielberg was once interviewed and ask about Kathleen Kennedy working under him. His answer was, she was terrible at her job and would interrupt discussions of the brainstorming a movie's story with her own ideas when she was suppose to be taking notes. The one he really remembers was, "What if he didn't get the girl, but instead got the dog?" Which would clearly subvert the ending of the movie. Now why that stood out, why that is a bad idea, and why he never did a movie with that ending are all the same answer. Because while it would seem clever, it would not lead to a satisfying ending to the movie. Story have a flow to them and the audience has expectation of what will happen at the end. Fulfill them and they will enjoy that story and might read it again to experience that enjoyment again. Subverting the story while one could make an interesting story; it could also leave the audience dissatisfied therefor would not watch it again.

Now, here is Disney Star Wars for examples.

Original Trilogy:

And what if Luke didn't restore the Jedi order, but instead ended up as an loser on a island given up on everything.

And what if Han didn't remain a general and reform the military, but instead went back to becoming a smuggler.

And what if Leia didn't become Supreme Chancellor to restore democracy to the galaxy, but instead remained a general in a galactic government that disbanded their armed forces.

And what if Leia and Han didn't remain together but instead divorce with Han going back to smuggling with Chewbacca.

And what if Lando didn't become a wealthy philanthropist, but instead became a hobo on a desert planet.

Sequel Trilogy.

And what if Rey and Ben didn't get together but instead she got his uncle's farm. 

And what if Finn never confessed his feelings for Rey but instead remain her eternal simpering lackey.

Their Tv Shows:

And what if The Mandalorian didn't become the Mandalore, but instead ended on a farm with Baby Yoda.

And what if Baby Yoda didn't become a Jedi but instead just ended up on a farm with The Mandalorian.

And what if Sabine and Erza didn't get together but instead Sabine became a lesbian set up to get together with Ahsoka.

MHA the story start off with the implication that Midoriya is telling the story of how he became the number 1 hero to his successor, who he will pass OFA to. Instead, he lost the quirk, ended up as a teacher for a decade was then given a tech suit, and ended the story with we are all the number one hero. This left fans dissatisfied. 

The story of Naruto was he would become Hokage, earn the villagers' respect, become friends with Sasuke while also surpassing him, reform the ninja system, and end up with Sakura. Even if he looked like he succeed with some of that at the end, it still feels like he failed in the spirit. Leaving most readers dissatisfied with the ending. nH and SS fans said they didn't not care about the story and only cared about their pairings happening. Well, once their pairings happened they then complained about how their pairings aren't how they wanted it. The thing is the story wasn't built for their parings and so making them the pairings would always be unsatisfying as either they are unrealistically perfect or realistically imperfect but ultimately shallow because they weren't developed in story but in the fantasies of the supporters.

Its better for a story to stick to a simple one and tell it well then make a complex story full of subversion that falls flat.

Oh by that way. Apparently, there was an interview with Kishimoto and Ikemoto for a French magazine. It apparently confirmed what I already thought. The story and art are all Ikemoto and Kishimoto "supervises." Which I suspect is gives advice if Ikemoto ask but beyond that leave him to his own devices.

Got some hearsay about that Naruto 4 episodes mini series. Apparently, the CEO of TVTokyo said in a financial report that it will come out in this fiscal years. So, it has to come out by March 31 of 2025 for that to be true.

I thought Berserk updates were the worse, especially, the current cliffhanger of that manga. What makes this doujin or fan content so forgettable is how long this Hinata Byakugan Princess arc has been dragged out like for eternity *sigh*. I don't like the feeling that this doujin is on the chopping board ready to be axed.

Berserk issues is the fact the original creator you know died and a friend is trying to finish it to the best of their ability in honor of the original mangaka. If they don't then their reputation will be torn apart.

The problem with this fan project is it trying to turn a project that was about glorifying Hinata and justifying her becoming the love interest...no that she is the true main character and the most perfect woman to ever been created and deserves the man she is entitled to; into a NS story with without changing that much. So there is a lot of the plot is about Hinata in this story, which this artist might not be that interested in or maybe they are getting tried of the idea of this rewrite. Like I said years ago they should have just made their own ending if they were this passionate instead of trying to change The Last.

Ah another on the 19th instead of the 20th. Well Merry Christmas everyone. Jump Festa should be happening within the next week...oh wait it was the 20-22.

Summary Time: Chapter 17. Wild Beast Cubs...sounds like a pop band.       

Cover Page is the two Neo-Sand Siblings besides the one that got eaten by a tree. Both of them have hoodies and black pants...for ninja that live in a desert and the problem of style over function for Ikemoto's designs shows once again. One is a blonde girl (Yodo, oh what a name) that looks like she about to release a rap album so Blondie for now (Wait! I got it! Blond-D, it still generic while keeping the wannabe gangster rapper vibe,) oh she is wearing uggs, as well as having a g string, remember she is underage, and a boy (Araya) with a goatee, a sword, and a blindfold so Blindfold...Mix Master Fold.

It begins with Salad remembering Clone's whining from last chapter. Cups notices her head is not in the game. Tree-Moegi and Tree-Shiki talk they are looking for Bolt, the trees informed them that Bolt had placed his toad where they stood, and the world tree's roots have spread everywhere even in the desert...sorry, just that I can see nearly ever curve on Tree-Moegi's body through her leather suit and it gave her bangs on her head. Blondie has good ears and over hears everything they are saying...she also knows Tree-Moegi's name, I just going to assume she introduce herself when she fought Gaara. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry. Konohamaru ask everyone if they are ready which Salad is not... and we get to see a front portrait of her which I haven't seen in a while God her design is just bad especially that hair.

...How do they know Tree-Shiki's name? Did Clone Jiraiya tell them that? Blond-D ask if they defeat them can they revive her brother. Oh we get informed of their names...I think they are silly. Mix Master Fold is concerned about Blond-D so she gets pissy.

I get a forward profile of Konohamaru...his design is also bad. Instead of attacking from stealth they decided to be a group of unassuming travelers that have just stumbled upon strangers while looking for Bolt...right these are Kishimoto characters so they have to act stupid. Tree-Moegi reacts to seeing her target...I doubt they informed Konohamaru of that. Huh? I was wrong. She is horny seeing him and is too embarrassed to talk to him...this is Ikemoto's type again young girls with long legs that dresses like some hipster pop deva (kindest way to describe them, less kind HOES) while shyer than Hinata at the nudist convention when talking to the boy they like.

Flashback of Shikamaru giving Konohamaru an info dump. Oh he did tell him, he is a target. He says they are like newborn animals innocent that don't know right from wrong. So they should befriend them, then betray them to get their bulbs...so many ways this can go wrong.

Neo-Team 7 talk while the Sand Siblings hide. So they act like they are just looking for Bolt and ask to team up...and Cups like a moron finds a piece of metal Bolt uses for his teleports and says this out loud informing the Tree people of info of Bolt's capabilities they did not know. Even if this is to sell the disguise this is beyond stupid. They decide to use their act to split up the two tree people Tree-Shiki goes along with it due to the info, while Tree-Moegi is too shy to do anything but just stare at Konohamaru.

More flashback Shikamaru informs Konohamaru that he is Tree-Moegi's target because she has romantic feelings for him and to use this to gain an edge over her. He decides to sit down on some rocks and talk to her...remember her goal is to eat him. Once she gets over this swell of emotions that what she should do and the best way to have her get over this is to stab her in the back.

Clone Jiraiya has a toad with both Shikamaru and Hime. He ask for Hime to look at the current events while she is worried about Tree-Bug seeing her. He says not to worry as he should be at their base. He informs Bolt and informs him he is not allowed to get involved in this fight because if he does Tree-Jenga will sense him get involved and kill them. The only chance of this plan working is if he stays here...so obviously he won't. Or, is this going to be the way they are going to make him sit out of fights so there is any suspense to fights he is not involved in? "Oh no! Clone Jiraiya says that he can't get involved in this fight due to it affecting their planned future too much. Its up to Salad to win this fight on her own! You know what have been better than this? NOT kittening WITH THE POWERSCALING SO MUCH YOU CANNOT HAVE YOUR MAIN CHARACTER FIGHT ALONG SIDE ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE THE POWER GAP IS TOO BIG!!!!!

We see Tree-Jenga at the bookshop getting more books...he even pays see he gets that from Jenga of the nice manners. Who I hope you will all remember was nice enough to smack Sasuke in the face with his growing big black rod.

Chapter ends with Nail threating Madoc to get his upgrade. 

Since Derock is invested in it. I will leave summaries and updates on this topic entirely up to him. This is just thoughts on the issue.

So this is set in filler time before Sasuke leaves the village. Oh good it just team 7 so hopefully no Hinata.

They been trying to change April to African American for a few years now. Like that do with any character that is ginger.

Sakura might be smart but she is also the one with anger issues and a temper. So it does make sense to pair her with short-fuse Raphael. They also give her super strength she didn't get till part two so she can fight. Sasuke with Leonardo as they are blue and the leader of their groups. Kakashi with Splinter as they are both the group's mentors. And, Naruto with the goofy Michelangelo and Donatello. They also gave the turtles ANBU masks.

Oh they have Kurama talking to Naruto. Again, him barely doing anything in Naruto compared to with Kushina or his daughter has to do with Kishimoto not knowing what to do with the demon within plot element. Now a days its common enough for a random writer to have a better idea to handle it, than he did back in the day. Lets be honest, Kurama would never talk to Naruto for something as random as a fox monster in the manga. Unless it was about the Uchiha/Ten-Tails or Naruto was seeking his power, he was mostly silent.

They overall seem to have Team 7's characters down, it just them trying to justify this story that is awkward. This seems to be a story entirely set in the ninja world with a New York City-like Village. It is besides the Minato one-shot the best written story out of the Naruto IP in over ten years. So, it is better than I was expecting.

Pretty sure one piece is more of the IP closer to dragon ball rather than naruto

A decade ago. A decade ago. A decade ago, Naruto was the King of International Sales and was some years even second to Dragon Ball. Maybe even better than Dragon Ball since it was largely dormant during Naruto's prime years. That hasn't been the case since the ending. Due to streaming and the Live action adaptation One Piece has finally taken off internationally like it should have 25 years ago, but before that it was largely considered popular only in Japan. Even Oda admitted he thought that in interviews around the time of ending of Naruto.

https://en.wikipedia...t-selling_manga

Now a days its number 6 at 250mil in terms of volume sales. Dragon Ball is 5 with 260mil, Detective Conan 4 with 270mil, Doremon 3 with 300mil, Golgo13 at 2 with 300mil, and One Piece is number 1 with 517mil. Oh Slam Dunk is number 7 with 185mil

https://www.cbr.com/...ime-franchises/

It is the 13th biggest anime franchise with estimated worth of $10 Billion. With One Piece at 7 and Dragon ball at 5. Number One is Naruto's old time slot partner Pokémon. 

Even with those numbers the executives know. Naruto-Boruto is not making the money it should be making.

It just goes to show how the pro ending head cases will try to sell you anything to say what they got was successful when the evidence of Borutos failure as well as how its hurt the Naruto franchise as a whole is obvious.

I'm in a better mood today so to be fair. Boruto is likely an above average selling manga that might bring in some money. But the problem is, that's not what the companies wanted. They wanted Naruto numbers which is still one of the biggest manga in the world. So, its a failure, it is at best a disappointment.

The two bits that stood out to me were the digital sales, and we shouldn't compare Naruto-Boruto to Dragon Ball.

So, the guy tried to say that the sales were fine because they really all went to digital and those numbers are good. But didn't show these new numbers just leaving people with the impression they must be good. Just trust the Youtuber, Bro. When it wouldn't be at hard to show them. 30% is physical? Ok that is X. 3X+1/3X=the total*. Which the average being 100,000 is 333,334 or 330,000 to what I rounded it up. Now that's a decent number for a manga, but nowhere near Naruto's numbers in its prime. Also, digital sales percentage has not been 70% throughout Boruto's entire run. As digital sales had reached that level either this or last year. He doesn't go through and try to show how digital rise matches Boruto physical number's decline. Which it doesn't. Boruto just declined till it hit around 100,000 and was around that level for years. If he was right, that wouldn't be the case.

* 30% is the known 70% is missing and we are looking for the total. 70 is 2 30% and then a 10% left over. 10% would be a third of 30%. So 30%+30%+1/3X30%=70 then for total 30%+30%+30%+1/3X30%=100%. Of 3x+1/3X=Y.

10 years ago, Naruto was the closest IP Dragon Ball had to a peer in terms of sales. If someone were to say, 'that in certain years Naruto had even beat Dragon Ball in sales,' most people would find that believable. Now a days, that is consider completely absurd, apparently. What happened in the past ten years that caused such a shift? Well, for Dragon Ball, Toriyama got so embarrassed by Dragon Ball Evolution that he got himself involved in the IP again and revitalized it. For Naruto, a bad ending and a worse sequel. "But, no no no Naruto-Boruto is completely fine apparently." While all its contemporaries' sales have completely eclipse it, when it was once the King of International Sales.

Edit: Also, again overall notion of "its a sequel don't hold it up to the same standard of the original." The companies knew that sequel tend to perform worse than the original. That why when they were selling Boruto to the audience they were making it was to be seen as a continuation of Naruto; its Part Three. Also, they tried to make sure it was seen as continuous by doing such things as keeping the Naruto anime going till they were ready to switch over to Boruto. Having a movie to promote it. Finally releasing the manga about a year after the original ended. 

Well, before even watching it remember that Boruto will always be a disappointment because the companies that signed off on it were promised a return to Naruto's high selling glory days. What they got instead is at best a middling/above average/below average for WSJ manga, with an anime with OK sales, and most of the money was made from licensing distribution out to other countries because it was the sequel to Naruto. It would have been cancelled long ago if it was an original IP, but it survives because its a sequel to Naruto that brings in just enough money to not cancel it.

That said its clear they are not happy with it. The anime is still off the air and they never finished part one. While they clearly ordered Ikemoto to wrap up part one, as the manga would still be there with his pacing otherwise, and he clearly been order to pick up the pace in part two. Which I have seen people notice how bad the story is in part two because it isn't dragged out. Where before, they convince themselves it must be leading to something.

So, any one who goes, "its OK," to defend it. Can be answered by "they didn't want, 'its OK.' The companies wanted at the least Naruto's sales figures to continue with Boruto."

If the video is about digital sales vs physical sales. It is hard to often figure out how much digital sales are worth because most companies are reluctant to release their digital sales data. So physical sales are a good aggregate. For example, lets say physical sales are 90% and digital are 10%. So if 90 books sold physically then 10 were sold digitally; so 100 books were sold overall. Its the same reason people like to use Steam to show if a game is doing well or not. While not all people buy all their games on Steam enough do that it is seen as a good way to check.

Dear lord that avatar is ugly. Looks like a mix between a JoJo's stand and an Otsutsuki...So, it actually looks like it fits in Boruto. Naruto Explained, well that means the continuation of interest in Naruto-Boruto is important to the continuation of his channel and any money he may receive from it.

So the guy starts out with the volumes sales. I just want to point out there is more to Boruto's volume sales than just its volume sales. As it is important to remember Naruto's volume sales which average at what 3.5 million, but barely got 800,000 for it final volume its first week. Then Salad's gaiden had about 620,000. Then finally Boruto's started around 400,000 that declined till it eventually leveled out to around 100,000. If 100,000.is good for most manga that's nice, but the company are looking at, how far the IP has fallen. Which reminds me if he tries to say something like, "as a sequel, its ok on its own or something." Boruto was intended to be a continuation of both the IP and Naruto's story through his son. Like DragonBall Z is to Dragonball. Which is why one has to look at Naruto's sales as well. As they again, wanted those to continue with Boruto. To ignore Naruto and treat it as it own thing is admitting it is a failure.

He ask, if it so unpopular why is it still ongoing? Legacy of Naruto still means it makes money through distribution rights, and from what I recall when Kodaichi was fired they are under contract. They were given a contract to write a certain amount of chapters I think it was 60. When they hit that mark Ikemoto's contract was renewed his wasn't. It also what I suspect happened with the end of part one and the pacing of part two. They refused to extend Ikemoto's contract again when they didn't see improvements they desired. So he has the remaining chapters to finish his manga; which is about 40 chapters.

So he brings up that physical sales is outdate. Like I said an aggregate. So digital manga according to him makes up about 70% of sales in Japan. Let's see, if Boruto's 100,000 is 30%, Digital's 70% is around 230,000, and so total would be about 330,000 volume sales in Japan...Ok. Even that was the case for Boruto, that is again still far less than Naruto had in its prime. If physical sales were 1%, then it would be getting to where the company wanted its sales to be.

Also, Boruto's sales charts do not have a gradual decline that goes along with the rise of Digital sales. It falls till its sales stabilize around 100,000 and was around that for years. When it should continue to go down as more people buy it digitally.

You know, he brings up digital sales took off in 2014. Just proving that Naruto had the worse time to end. As it ended before streaming revitalized western interest in anime (so when Boruto started it had to face competition), right as digital manga took off, and continuous anime became outdated (which Boruto one of the last greenlit.) Boruto really comes off as a relic from a bygone era. An era that ended around the ending of Naruto.

So Boruto sells around 400,000 each year according to him. Is that physical alone or with digital? Boruto has generally two volumes each years. Which means each get -barring older volume sales- 200,000 by the end of their year. Which means if physicals sales were just 100,000. Digital would only be in general 50% of total sales.

Ah he brought up the sequel excuse...already covered that. They wanted it to be a continuation not just a random spin off sequel.

"We shouldn't compare Dragon Ball and Dragon Super success to Naruto." Wasn't Naruto once one of the top three selling manga ever at one point and was consider a peer to DragonBall? Now we shouldn't think of putting them in the same topic much less comparing them? How far has it fallen. What ever could cause such a fall? Maybe a bad ending and a sequel most people do not like for the past ten years? Hm. Maybe it could have maintain its position with a good ending and a good sequel. A possibility maybe?

Similar sequels to justify Boruto's low sales. Haven't read the Seven sin sequel so can't say. Fairy Tail 100 to be honest I kind of forget that still ongoing sometimes, also I don't think it help that the anime only started this year. Rurouni Kenshin Hokkaido...wasn't that put on hold for a few years due to the mangaka being arrested? I think that would affect the sales numbers. Also, it was made about 20 years after the original manga compared to 1 year for Boruto. The Inuyasha sequel which again came out years after the original's ending.

Ah the Boruto movie is strong...http://www.narusaku....showtopic=16678 For its time, sure. Afterwards, all its contemporaries eclipse it.

Now time to blame Naruto's volume count for why people aren't reading Boruto. Wait. Wait I thought Boruto was successful people were just saying it wasn't. Why the change?

It is the best selling manga in V-Jump! Well seeing as Super ended due to the Death of Toriyama, yes. But it was once In WSJ before it was moved to V-Jump. So, it like a loser in a major leagues moved to the minor and got second place. Not as impressive as it sounds.

Meanwhile in the video game industry, looks like Bandai Namco is cancelling projects involving One Piece and Naruto (yes, that's include Boruto), while Dragon Ball gain more success due to Sparking ZERO surpassed in sales by over 3 Million sold worldwide within 24 hours after release! That beat Capcom's Street Fighter 6, which managed to get 3 million in sales in only for a couple of months and also Mortal Kombat 1.

One Piece always seems to have problems with games. While Naruto once had a successful game franchise in Storm. How was the last one Connection everyone?

That would not surprise me at all, I've seen interviews with writers for the Disney/Marvel shows that happened after Endgame, and one of the requirements for getting the job was to know nothing about the source material.

And to those who watched those shows you saw how badly they were.

Hollywood in the last couple of years hired activists instead of people who know how to do the job. Obviously not the whole of Hollywood.

If the movie does see the light of day, I have zero hope for it being even decent, not to mention good.

 

It's a problem old as time, that people can't take any responsibility for their own screw-ups. What's worse with Hollywood is that they even went as far as attacking the fans.

Hollywood writers and directors have grown to hate any source material.

Most people think it is because they want to create their own stories not just adapt others. The problem is every time they are given the chance to do their own stories they are sheer garbage. Because they refuse to learn how to write from reading the stories that are already written, their morals are the messed up depravity that is only really accepted in the bubble of LA, and they can't be sincere about anything everything has to be ironic deconstruction meta commentary that subvert expectations with millennial style irreverent dialogue. Which people have already grown to hate because they keep putting that into IP they loved, so why would they watch something new that has everything they dislike? So their new stuff always fails. Which is why they hate and attack fanbases.

However by this point, they are not just destroying the stories people love, they are attacking the audience itself.

This led to a never ending cycle that has led to the decline of Hollywood in recent years, and the rise of alternative sources of media. As both, the audience is not watching their stuff anymore, and investors/producers are looking at those medias for profit. Not at awful Hollywood garbage, that has to go through constant reshoots because they can't get it right the first time anymore. So anything they can get their hands on of those alternative media, they will destroy it out of spite. The only way to make sure a Hollywood movie is made properly and faithful to the source material now a days. Is if there is a producer invested and powerful enough to force them to tell the story properly and force reshoots till they do. That is why Sonic, Nintendo, and One Piece have had successful western adaptations.

YUP. Naruto is a simplistic manga for simplistic morons I say. You are either a reader for the greatest fictional couple ever made, Hinata Huyga-chan-megami-hime-sama and her vicarious cup of courage turned boy toy trophy husband, OR you are an illiterate Buffoon for not seeing the true moral and message of the story was the former. Naruto is a simple story for simps, TG FOR THAT. *sarcasm*

I lost count of the number of times on this site alone I have done a page by page of a scene to show, what the scene was suppose to convey.

For example. What was the one I did last year... in June. The Sasuke telling Naruto to focus on sealing Kaguya.

My reading: "While yes, Sasuke was correct in a pragmatic sense. However, he was wrong as he went too far in telling Naruto to leave Sakura and Kakashi to just die. As it was immoral, it would negatively affect Naruto, and they can still be of use even if they can't seal Kaguya. Also, even Sasuke knows he was wrong, as Naruto was able to defeat his argument by just bringing up the Wave arc. This was to show Sasuke is still not reformed and Team 7 is not back together despite them fighting alongside each other."

Reddit's reading. "Sasuke is completely right." "...Oh and he still cares about Sakura deep down, he just won't admit it." When, they think for a second and realize he was advocating throwing Sakura into magma. Therece's biggest disappointment of Naruto, was Sasuke not just grabbing Sakura and throwing her into the magma himself. Most romantic SS moment that could possibly happen.   

That's what you are dealing with when other people read Naruto. You are lucky if they understand even surface level.

Simple or not, the reading comprehension is STILL f-ed up because many fans and the people BTS complained about and for Hinata, as like she was really that important to the franchise. When we know in actuality, she wasn't.

That because they want Hinata to be important not because she is. Westerners have been taught to think only with feelings. So they don't think about anything too much so their easier to control and convince as long as you know how to manipulate their feelings.

Fair enough

Yahagi Kosuke comments on western fans
https://x.com/DBZimr...774946712686829

 

"We've been reading manga for a long time, so we tend to read deeper into what makes manga interesting. But many people overseas don't understand Japanese manga. I think that's probably because they don't have literacy or reading comprehension. So, ultimately, I think that Naruto doesn't require that kind of reading comprehension."

Sounds like he is saying people like Naruto over other manga because it is simple. Would help to know what the question was or the interview.

OK. It was an interview in 2019 on a radio show called Izakaya: Denfaminicogamer. And he was asked why was Naruto more popular than One Piece overseas? Answer. it is simpler.

https://news.denfami...iew/191227f#i-6 Supposedly, it is in here.

Well, I'm not going to disagree with the reading comprehension.

This is not a new statement. Kishimoto has been saying stuff like this since the ending. This was always his justification for it happening beyond "she is popular and what the fans want while Sakura wasn't."

SP saw Hinata as the perfect woman that deserved Naruto as she deserved to be the heroine of the story. So, they wrote the Last to show that their Princess-Goddess Hinata-Hime-sama was the most perfect woman that was entitled to Naruto. He was her prize for being so perfect.

Kishimoto never got the appeal of Hinata. She wasn't his type and the people pushing her onto him would never explained to him why she should be the heroine other than she more popular than Sakura, she is prettier than her, fans like her, and she liked Naruto the longest so deserved him. Because the real answer is they love her absolute devotion, submissiveness, and no effort to obtain her. So, he needed his own reason for why Hinata should end up with Naruto? After, SP's staff pressured him to kill off Neji (the real character that was in the way of nH happening) her original storyline died with him. Leaving only her affection for Naruto. He saw that as pathetic and pitied her so agreed to put them together.

SP saw Hinata as perfect, Kishimoto saw her as pathetic. These views clash and helped make the mess that was the ending.

SP had nH's wedding be the end of the anime therefor the goal of Naruto all along was really to get together with Hinata instead of becoming Hokage and changing the ninja system's problems surpassing all those that previously held the title. The Last was to show how perfect she was and that she deserved a perfect life.

Kishimoto at the ending only had them together in front of Neji's grave implying Naruto was getting together with her to honor his sacrifice. And the relationship was set up by him which showed Naruto who focused on his job as Hokage was as distant to Hinata as Sasuke was to Sakura. The Sasuke that went out of his way to avoid Sakura for 12 years. Which is why both kids have daddy issues.

SS is still only happened because once Sakura lost her status as the Heroine he needed to put her somewhere and SS was popular with some fans; and nothing deeper than that because he dislikes the pairing. nH was the one he needed to be convinced to happened and once he was SS followed just to put Sakura somewhere.

https://thatparkplac...g-about-the-ip/

Rumor: Lionsgate’s Live-Action Naruto Film Is “A Complete Disaster” With Producers Not Knowing “Anything About The IP”

A rumor claims that Lionsgate’s long-gestating live-action Naruto film is a “complete disaster” with producers not knowing “anything about the IP.”

If true.

Guess Kishimoto trusted Hollywood, he is a fan of Hollywood movies, and didn't keep an eye on it like Oda. Problem is most Hollywood hates Japanese entertainment and blame it for them losing viewers. Since they are not going to self reflect.

.... It's a good thing I don't read American Comics then

Not many do now a days. How I understand it, after the 2000's they had lost many of the greats, and were left with mostly the mediocre who were living off the legacy of their betters. Then, comic movies took off, so you had a lot of nobodies try to use comics to worm and weasel their way into Hollywood. They couldn't come up with any interesting characters or stories. So, they just went "famous comic book character but now a minority." How that turned out? Well, Disney MCU is trying to adapt those now, but they never made any story or backstories for their new legacy characters. Just, "famous comic book character but now a minority," and hope that would be enough.

Both MHA and One Punch Man were very important for transferring many the lingers dissatisfied comic fans into manga fans.

In other news... Robert Downey Jr.  is gonna play Dr. Doom. I love RDJ, but Dr. Doom?

Hey, he only has to do one movie and after that he can just do the voice acting.

This is also likely do to a combination of lack of famous actors to play the role and the ones available/willing to. Disney hasn't really been producing hits recently. Star Wars is pretty much a black mark on your resume with only years wasted, Pixar isn't what it used to be, people are getting sick of the live action adaptions, they can't even do a classic Disney princess story right anymore, and the MCU -barring a few movies- was done with Endgame. For example, Disney was desperate to get Jenna Ortega* to take on several roles and even built movies around the characters they wanted her to play, and she told them, "no, working with Disney would be detrimental for her career at the moment."

*From what I understand they: wanted her to be the lead in the next Pirates of the Caribbean replacing Johney Depp's star power, they wanted her to be a major MCU character leading the next three phases, they wanted her in Star Wars, she was suppose to be in a Pixar movie with a character based off her, they wanted her to voice a new Disney Princess and/or they wanted her to be one of the remaining Disney Princess in a live action adaptation. She turned down all of those.

We have no idea how the tmnt writers feel about sakura, for all we know they hate ss as much we do

If they did, they wouldn't be selected to work on it. They probably been informed that SS happens and given an understanding of the characters. So it will probably be what therece thinks SS is, Sasuke has feelings for Sakura but doesn't like showing it; instead of he honestly doesn't care for her.

At best, it will just be part 1. As in, Naruto has a crush on Sakura, she has a crush on Sasuke, and Hinata is unimportant. Most likely, it will be nH/SS with the turtles pushing/helping Naruto with his girl troubles with Hinata.

Have low expectations going in, so you are pleasantly surprised if they are not the case. Fantasizing about the ideal situation for a corporate cash grab like this will only lead to disappointment.