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#50881 James S Cassidy

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Posted Yesterday, 07:04 PM

Resurrection "F" was definitely one of the most egregious examples of power scaling (Frieza himself, just to be made into an actual threat to give reason for using him again besides purely nostalgia) while simultaneously contradicting previous things like Gohan's power dropping somehow being FAR greater after one year from Buu to then, compared to seven years from Cell to Buu.

And I know I'm in a minority but I tend to call people out on such things when it comes to Resident Evil 6. Obviously it's by no means one of the greatest games ever but I constantly see people bashing RE6 but the reasons they give for why it's "bad" are things that could also be applied to RE4, but they continue to call RE4 a "masterpiece".

And it's fine for me. To me, Dragonball Super is basically the Michael Bay of anime. You watch it for the fun explosions, colors, and just the simple message of overcoming limits. It falls apart if you think too seriously about it. What gets me is the fans that take it too seriously that anything you point out, even the most obvious, gets brushed off the cuff of their sleeve.

You can tell this when, back in the day, Toriyama himself said in an interview that SSJ3 is the strongest Goku will ever get. That was the pinnacle of strength for him, but now that Super has come...well, SSJ3 is now nothing. So not even Toriyama himself takes it seriously.

My only problem with RE6 was just the fact that they repeat the same boss like 5 times. Literally. Same boss, different arenas. It felt like creativity was gone. Other than that, it was okay.
 

 

Becaaaaauuuuuuuuuse............. for Sasuke and Naruto, it is a seme and uke routine? :zaru: :lmao:
 

 

Oh yeah forgot. Because violence and berating people is his way of showing love because....excuses reasons.


 


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#50882 Bail o' Lies

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Posted Yesterday, 09:02 PM

Resurrection "F" was definitely one of the most egregious examples of power scaling (Frieza himself, just to be made into an actual threat to give reason for using him again besides purely nostalgia) while simultaneously contradicting previous things like Gohan's power dropping somehow being FAR greater after one year from Buu to then, compared to seven years from Cell to Buu.

And I know I'm in a minority but I tend to call people out on such things when it comes to Resident Evil 6. Obviously it's by no means one of the greatest games ever but I constantly see people bashing RE6 but the reasons they give for why it's "bad" are things that could also be applied to RE4, but they continue to call RE4 a "masterpiece".

Actually there are two arguments to be had with that. Either a) yes the power scaling did get out of control, or b) the main cast haven't gotten as strong as everyone had thought.

 

From what I understand Goku in his base form was still weaker then Freeza was on Namek by the Battle of Gods arc. The reason for this was throughout Z the cast was over-reliance on power-up transformations. In the android/cell saga they were focus on obtaining a power beyond super sayjin. At the start of the Buu saga both Vegeta and Goku were training in super sayjin forms, Vegeta sold his soul to babidi for a power-up, Goku gain SS3 which had massive stamina draw backs, uses of fusion throughout, and Old Kai unleashing Gohan full potential to the point he no longer needed super sayjin. With this over-reliance on gimmicks even to train it hindered their growth; until after the BoG arc. Where both Goku and Vegeta started training together with Whis primarily in their based states. 



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Posted Today, 01:53 AM

Which is why we call them biased. Even if I weren't to compare characters in the same universe, it is still pretty biased when they like another couple with the exact same dynamic and while it is okay for them, it is not okay for NaruSaku.

Ruroni Kenshin is an example too. Kenshin and Kaoru had this very same dynamic and yet how many would say their relationship is awesome? Yet, they follow the same dynamic. Boy meets girl. Girls doesn't respect or value him cause she thinks less of him. Boy has goofball demeanor until stuff gets real, and when she finally sees the true him she respects him.

Same dynamic...yet two different opinions.

I am basically calling them out on their biased nature. It is one thing to like one pairing over another. It is another to use an argument saying it makes it bad for one, but say the same dynamic is what makes another couple special.

Like you said: If Sakura does it, it is bad, but if Hinata does it, it is just the tops.

You either condemn all of it or none of it in my book. Otherwise, you're biased and obviously have a narrow minded viewpoint which is sad cause these people are smarter than they really are.

Just like how I hate Hinata's obsession over Naruto, I hate Sakura and Naruto's obsession over Sasuke. Which, speaking of, how come they don't have issues with the SNS dynamic since even Sasuke was "being mean to poor wittle Nawuto."



 

In Samurai X scenario there is no love triangle , there is no love rival , so Kenshin and Kaoru is a done deal and i might add that Kaoru is not flat chested. So i can understand a little bit why other couple like minakushi or kenru that have same dynamic didn't get hate like narusaku. They don't have a choice , there's no one we know that like Kushina except Minato and there is no one that we know love Minato except Kushina , no love triangle , so the trivial thing like if Kushina abusive/violent or flat chested is not matter because they have no other possible love interest. When there is no choice people will accept what was given to them.

 

While in case of NaruSaku , we know that hinata likes naruto and sakura loves sasuke. This create a choice because there is other possible love interest , and because there is an alternative people starting to "COMPARE" feature between each character , which one is better ? which one have the sexiest body ? which one is more handsome / beautiful ? , etc. This automatically makes physical appearance MATTER in the eyes of those fanatics , flat chest vs big chest , submissive vs abusive , usefulness vs useless.

 

In short is : if there is no love triangle , if there is no hinata and sasuke , NS will not get hate (maybe a little). I said it many many times , love triangle is a cursed , i despise it , i hate it , i avoid it like a plague , it create nothing but trouble and sadness , because not only someone will get hurt but it will divide the fandom and creating a toxic fanbase.


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#50884 Bail o' Lies

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Posted Today, 02:47 AM

If we are talking about Rounin Kenshin. Yes, he was married at one point, but by the point the story started she had been dead for over ten years. The manga is about Kenshin's redemption as well as coming to terms with his past -which does involve both his past as an assassin, and his dead wife-, but also moving on by finding friends, ending his wandering by settling down, and finding happiness by marrying Kaoru.



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Posted Today, 07:04 AM

And it's fine for me. To me, Dragonball Super is basically the Michael Bay of anime. You watch it for the fun explosions, colors, and just the simple message of overcoming limits. It falls apart if you think too seriously about it. What gets me is the fans that take it too seriously that anything you point out, even the most obvious, gets brushed off the cuff of their sleeve.

You can tell this when, back in the day, Toriyama himself said in an interview that SSJ3 is the strongest Goku will ever get. That was the pinnacle of strength for him, but now that Super has come...well, SSJ3 is now nothing. So not even Toriyama himself takes it seriously.

My only problem with RE6 was just the fact that they repeat the same boss like 5 times. Literally. Same boss, different arenas. It felt like creativity was gone. Other than that, it was okay.
 

 

 

Oh yeah forgot. Because violence and berating people is his way of showing love because....excuses reasons.


 

I think it's because the boss fight (I assume it's the Simmons one? And/or Ustonak?) takes place one stage after the other (and are a little longer) rather than spaced out in short bursts over the course of the game like Mr. X in RE2 or like Nemesis in RE3 (a few times normally, then a couple times more mutated, then finally ending with his twisted mutated form).
 

 

If we are talking about Rounin Kenshin. Yes, he was married at one point, but by the point the story started she had been dead for over ten years. The manga is about Kenshin's redemption as well as coming to terms with his past -which does involve both his past as an assassin, and his dead wife-, but also moving on by finding friends, ending his wandering by settling down, and finding happiness by marrying Kaoru.

Thinking of Kenshin makes me think of Hiko which makes me think of Itachi and how poorly Kishimoto utilized him compared to Hiko when it comes to an OP side character's involvement in the story.

Hiko was well-balanced in his use. Just enough was shown of his power and skill that he was indeed VERY OP compared to EVERYONE (even Watsuki said Hiko could have easily defeated everyone Kenshin faced and had difficulty writing Hiko into the story because of being so strong) but not showing so much that he stole the story from Kenshin and end up solving all his current problems.

Itachi STARTED similarly when he first re-appeared in Konoha in part one. We were told about what a prodigy he was and we knew he had to be powerful to be able to wipe out (half) an entire powerful clan like the Uchiha Clan and so we finally got a small taste of his power when he easily beat Kurenai and Kakashi, and even managed to survive Jiraiya, but then rather than keeping Itachi more in the background and letting him help like Hiko did with Kenshin, Kishimoto ended up getting Itachi more directly involved and showing off more and more OP abilities, especially against Sasuke himself, only to kill Itachi off in a BS way ala some unnamed illness just so he couldn't do more....only to then bring him back via Edo Tensei and, surprise surprise, help solve (one of) Sasuke's problems for him...the whole double agent thing also didn't help and it just made Itachi feel...wasted? Inconsistent? He basically went from seeming badass to "ehh".


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