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[Namikaze Clan]

What reason could Orochimaru possibly have for having a son?  Did he think having a son meant some sort of redemption.  And for that matter why is Mitsuki living in the Leaf village instead of staying with his father?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Probably the same reason Orochimaru does anything; twisted desire.

Also Kishimoto is an idiot, who figured "oh better continue team 7's tradition!"

Naruto-Jiraiya, Sakura-Tsunade, Sasuke-Orochimaru
Naruto- Burito, Sakura-Sarada, Sasuke-Mitsuki

Or some junk like that
Its all about having them relate in some sense. 
 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 November 2015 - 12:37 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Short answer: To create a new generation.

Right answer: I wish I knew.

[yimiiyumi]

It's obvious orochimaru still is not really a "good" guy he probably is trying to make something bad by using mitsuki, at end of the movie there is a weird scene with orochimaru looking at mitsuki so I have the feeling if burrito gets an anime series after shippuden is over (I hope don't) orochimaru will probably be the villain again and mitsuki will be all like "oh he's my dad but they are my friends what should I do ?" 

Watch me being right lol

[starlitestarbrite]

i guess someone told him "go screw yourself" and...he did LOL. who knows though.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

It's obvious orochimaru still is not really a "good" guy he probably is trying to make something bad by using mitsuki, at end of the movie there is a weird scene with orochimaru looking at mitsuki so I have the feeling if burrito gets an anime series after shippuden is over (I hope don't) orochimaru will probably be the villain again and mitsuki will be all like "oh he's my dad but they are my friends what should I do ?" 

Watch me being right lol

There is also this

But it will be horrid, because once again we will be hammered with "forgive, forgive, forgive, love, love, love."

I'm sorry but its going to be very hard to forgive/love someone who only have a child to use/experiment on them and never really learned anything at all, and never changed, still doing the horrible things he's always done. 

The worst message Naruto tried to sell us is that all bad people should be forgiven, and that its "shameful/unnatural." to feel hate. and no matter what you do, your sad sob story is enough to justify it

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 November 2015 - 01:37 AM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

There is also this

But it will be horrid, because once again we will be hammered with "forgive, forgive, forgive, love, love, love."

I'm sorry but its going to be very hard to forgive/love someone who only have a child to use/experiment on them and never really learned anything at all, and never changed, still doing the horrible things he's always done. 

The worst message Naruto tried to sell us is that all bad people should be forgiven, and that its "shameful/unnatural." to feel hate. and no matter what you do, your sad sob story is enough to justify it

And hence why I say Kojoma is better than Kishi I mean true with Sniper wolf she was a bad person but knowing of her past and what she went through as a child made you feel sorry for her. Not only that she said she does not kill for sport.

 

Also Kojima does have bad guys that are evil I mean Skull face and Volgun are just two that are crazy SOB. And I'm I don't hate a bad person with a sad back story its just Kishi fails to do it right.

 

Again Sniper Wold had to use the bodies of her family and friends to hide from ones that were out to kill her people and the Goverments of the world did nothing but turn a blind eye to her people's suffering.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

And hence why I say Kojoma is better than Kishi I mean true with Sniper wolf she was a bad person but knowing of her past and what she went through as a child made you feel sorry for her. Not only that she said she does not kill for sport.

 

Also Kojima does have bad guys that are evil I mean Skull face and Volgun are just two that are crazy SOB. And I'm I don't hate a bad person with a sad back story its just Kishi fails to do it right.

 

Again Sniper Wold had to use the bodies of her family and friends to hide from ones that were out to kill her people and the Goverments of the world did nothing but turn a blind eye to her people's suffering.

I don't mind a villain with a legit sad backstory, but Kishi failed horribly every-time he tried. Not to mention he over used it. there are plenty of "bad characters" you feel bad for, but it doesn't negate what they've done, and that at some point they need to pay for their mistakes. 

 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 23 November 2015 - 02:09 AM.

[rocci]

Probably the same reason Orochimaru does anything; twisted desire.

Also Kishimoto is an idiot, who figured "oh better continue team 7's tradition!"

Naruto-Jiraiya, Sakura-Tsunade, Sasuke-Orochimaru
Naruto- Burito, Sakura-Sarada, Sasuke-Mitsuki

Or some junk like that
Its all about having them relate in some sense. 
 

I tought salad gonna be the sasuke of the group?

[Yyubie]

There is also this

But it will be horrid, because once again we will be hammered with "forgive, forgive, forgive, love, love, love."

I'm sorry but its going to be very hard to forgive/love someone who only have a child to use/experiment on them and never really learned anything at all, and never changed, still doing the horrible things he's always done. 

The worst message Naruto tried to sell us is that all bad people should be forgiven, and that its "shameful/unnatural." to feel hate. and no matter what you do, your sad sob story is enough to justify it

Reading this reminds me of obito. Will you ever called the guy who murder your parents and thousand of people the coolest guy ever??

 

Try to imagine if theres 1 guy who bomb your neighborhood, killing thousand of people along with your family/parents and for some god knows what forsaken reason the guy is redeem and ask for your forgiveness, will you forgive him?? . Maybe god can but we are humans with emotions.

 

On the topic. Why oro have spawn?? of course because the need to continue the legacy of old generations

Jiraya-Tsunade-Orochimaru

Yahiko-Konan-Nagato

Obito-Rin-Kakashi

Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke

Boruto-Sarada-Mitsuki

For me , the questions that still remains and need some answer is, who the hell is mitsuki mother??

Did SP got some idea from watching Godzilla that can reproduce without any partner? Or oro make clone of himself and F himself?? Or maybe for some even more twisted reason Orochimaru and Tsunade is cannon spawn that kid like Sasuke and Sakura??

Edited by Yyubie, 23 November 2015 - 02:25 AM.

[Nate River]

It's obvious orochimaru still is not really a "good" guy he probably is trying to make something bad by using mitsuki, at end of the movie there is a weird scene with orochimaru looking at mitsuki so I have the feeling if burrito gets an anime series after shippuden is over (I hope don't) orochimaru will probably be the villain again and mitsuki will be all like "oh he's my dad but they are my friends what should I do ?" 

Watch me being right lol

 

It's obvious orochimaru still is not really a "good" guy he probably is trying to make something bad by using mitsuki, at end of the movie there is a weird scene with orochimaru looking at mitsuki so I have the feeling if burrito gets an anime series after shippuden is over (I hope don't) orochimaru will probably be the villain again and mitsuki will be all like "oh he's my dad but they are my friends what should I do ?" 

Watch me being right lol

 

Yeah, the whole "sins of the father bit." Wouldn't be a\ bad idea if Kishimoto hadn't beat the redemption angle to death.

 

The real question is why he was permitted to exist and have the needed freedom to make the kid. Shouldn't he at least be serving multiple life sentences in prison if not outright executed? I mean, given his rather extensive list of crimes and all. Probably, the same reason Kabuto was permitted to run an orphanage despite the fact that he raised an army against the world and was the one who brought back Madara. Did they just forget how Edo Tensei works and what all those Edo Tensei people meant?

 

 

Oh and the kid gets to be on a team with a sharingan user and the son of the village he tried to destroy. No problem. 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Reading this reminds me of obito. Will you ever called the guy who murder your parents and thousand of people the coolest guy ever??

 

Try to imagine if theres 1 guy who bomb your neighborhood, killing thousand of people along with your family/parents and for some god knows what forsaken reason the guy is redeem and ask for your forgiveness, will you forgive him?? . Maybe god can but we are humans with emotions.

 

On the topic. Why oro have spawn?? of course because the need to continue the legacy of old generations

Jiraya-Tsunade-Orochimaru

Yahiko-Konan-Nagato

Obito-Rin-Kakashi

Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke

Boruto-Sarada-Mitsuki

For me , the questions that still remains and need some answer is, who the hell is mitsuki mother??

Did SP got some idea from watching Godzilla that can reproduce without any partner? Or oro make clone of himself and F himself??

 

My major contention with Naruto characters is that they do not react in the way one would expect a human to behave emotionally. They're almost like cardboard at times. Or maladjusted, emotionally stunted/confused people.


Well when asked Mitsuki is like "It doesn't matter, either." As though he has no clue if Oro is the mom or the Dad.

which is awkward as hell. i don't even want to think about how he could be the "mother." 

[Namikaze Clan]

I just want to know Why:

 

1. Orochimaru sent him to live in the Leaf Village instead of staying at the lab with him and Team- Not -seven(As Nate rightfully puts it)

 

2. Why Naruto seems okay with Mitsuki being around and having no one keep an eye on him.  Did Naruto and Orochimaru have some sort of agreement?  If Mitsuki turns out to be a spy and leads to a possible invasion by Naruto it will be his fault.

 

 

 

Of course I`m not even sure if anything will come from this since Kishi isn't writing for Naruto anymore. 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Well if he is using his son as a tool what better place to put him then where the child of his obsession resides? Even better if they are in close contact.

Can't answer the second, but Naruto is just probably doing his "I believe you are good on the inside I just need to show u lololol" schtick.

Or he's just dumb and remiss in his duties.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Because **** you.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Because **** you.

Best explanation 2015

[rocci]

@namikaze clan
1. It's team taka. So he could interact with burito aka plot.

2. Mizuki is innocent. Just because he's the son of pshycopat, doesn't make him guilty as one. So it's not a big deal.

Touken said it the best, kitten it.

[Kobolum]

Let's face it we could complain about this for the rest of the year and we don't get an answer, and when we do get an answer it's going to be some stupid b******* that none of us like and are going to complain about that. Let's see how we look at this we're going to complain, we get an answer we're going to complain, we don't get an answer we're going to complain so let's just leave it at this.

"Something something something something something something bullcrap."

[TheFirstEvil100]

I don't mind a villain with a legit sad backstory, but Kishi failed horribly every-time he tried. Not to mention he over used it. there are plenty of "bad characters" you feel bad for, but it doesn't negate what they've done, and that at some point they need to pay for their mistakes. 

 

Same here, it just needs to be done right which like you said Kishi failed to do and way over used it to many times, and true I mean when the evil person does something Kojima still has them die, but Soild Snake stayed by Wolf's side as she was dying. "Its true they call mercenarys like us dogs of war, but your no dog your a Wolf."

 

I mean we all know that when that Kishi will just do this with his new manga, why well he is a kitten writer and its sad that people will by his kitten because they think he is good I mean we all know that Kishi should never do another story again for the rest of his life when he lets people like Orochimaru live.

 

I have never felt so sad for a boss character in my whole gaming life until I fought Sniper Wolf. While fighting her and losing I was like "Dammit, I'll be happy when I finally kill this kitten!". But I wasn't. Hearing the sad story of her life growing up around death and war made me realize that even the baddest guys were once good until something very traumatizing in their lives changed them forever. (Well in MGS that is) They weren't always bad. Not even Big Boss. Otacon was right: she was a good person deep down. RIP Sniper Wolf. No more pain and suffering for you. Now you can return to the wolf pack you once came from.

Edited by TheFirstEvil100, 23 November 2015 - 02:05 PM.

[tricksie]

 

 

Yeah, the whole "sins of the father bit." Wouldn't be a\ bad idea if Kishimoto hadn't beat the redemption angle to death.

 

The real question is why he was permitted to exist and have the needed freedom to make the kid. Shouldn't he at least be serving multiple life sentences in prison if not outright executed? I mean, given his rather extensive list of crimes and all. Probably, the same reason Kabuto was permitted to run an orphanage despite the fact that he raised an army against the world and was the one who brought back Madara. Did they just forget how Edo Tensei works and what all those Edo Tensei people meant?

 

 

Oh and the kid gets to be on a team with a sharingan user and the son of the village he tried to destroy. No problem. 

Yes, for an elite tribe of super-ninjas, they have a hard time in grasping the concept of criminality and danger in their once-and-future enemies. 

 

Just like everything else in the story, they never learn their lessons about their opponents either. Nothing is ever surpassed here.