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[ThroughWithLove]

So I'm thinking that Kishi must have realized that many readers wouldn't buy Naruto's "it's a lie" as a counter argument against eternal life(via God Tree virtual energy like with Madara being connected to the Gedo Mazo) and happniess. A world with no famine, conflict, pandemics, pain, or loss of family and friends just wasn't threating enough. Thus Kaguya's white Zetsu army plan was born to make Naruto objectively the world's savior. Which Kishi didn't bother to explain because he didn't wanted to tell a story, but to keep people from saying these things. That's all that mattered to him I think.

 

A shame too as he could've done a lot more than simply have a Naruto say "it's a lie." If that's the only counter-argument, so what? Isn't lying and using deceipt part of being a ninja? World peace is assured, the cycle of hatred is ended, humans are eternally happy. Unless you get deep into the philophical ramifications of what's real and what isn't and actually make a debate out of this, Madara and Obito, although evil for all intents and purposes (all the blame-shifting in this manga is unpersuasive) did have a plan with guaranteed positive results (prior to retconning anyway). All Naruto has is vague promises that no one can realistically get behind without asspull and talk-no-jutsus!

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 06 December 2014 - 09:08 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

I kind of always expected Naruto to end via some form of talk-no-jutsu. It's sorta his thing, and it's a shounen. But even more than that, the point should've been that Naruto was working his butt off to prove that there were people willing to fight hard till the end to help build a better world.  Yeah he would've had a big speech, but his actions prior to that should've just been fuel for the fire. The biggest problem I had with this final arc was the fact that Naruto didn't have to do anything but be a DBZ level fighter. All of the other countries were already working together. Naruto didn't have to do any talk-no-jutsu. He didn't have to perform any inspiring moves or say any words to change things.

 

So what did Naruto actually accomplish besides gaining god powers? Since he was revealed to be the Chosen One, that's hardly a shock. None of the final villains were given much thought. Obviously someone wanting to remove free-will from an entire population is wrong. Obviously it solves nothing. Kishi tried to make it sound deeper than it was. A little false hype to make Naruto's win seem bigger. But at the end of the day, the final villain was an alien that didn't make you feel anything. Naruto brushed over everything Obito did simply because, here it comes, he wanted to be Hokage. Didn't Naruto learn anything about what it means to be Hokage?

 

Kishi was all over the place. I don't think he even knew what themes he wanted Naruto to support. I'll never understand why he changed from hard-working to Chosen One. Ugh. Changing that was a big deal for me. It's what started Naruto down the path of a boring Gary Stu.

[Nar123]

Turns out part 1 Neji was right with the whole destiny thing. Naruto turned out to be the Chosen One anyway...

Edited by Nar123, 06 December 2014 - 12:28 PM.

[Frankie]

Turns out part 1 Neji was right with the whole destiny thing. Naruto turned out to be the Chosen One anyway...

There you go.