Without saying spoilers the game is awesome the battle system is similar to the one from Tales of Destiny. Love the characters and the story there's drama, humor some romance but that will be all. In fact I left my review for the game on the "rate the last game you played" thread.
If Sakura still loves Sasuke why is she not worthy of respect?
#81
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:20 AM
Without saying spoilers the game is awesome the battle system is similar to the one from Tales of Destiny. Love the characters and the story there's drama, humor some romance but that will be all. In fact I left my review for the game on the "rate the last game you played" thread.
#82
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:45 AM
You completely missed my point. Kishimoto can decide what he wants to do with his manga. You can take context clues and decide for yourself where you think his story is going, but no one can be absolutely sure. My message was that no one should make their own opinion absolute fact before Kishi finalizes anything; be it pairings or something else. Basically, everyone has the right to think what they want, since nothing romance wise is truly closed yet, and they should not be bashed for it.
Btw, take a chill pill.
#83
Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:05 AM
Edited by Phantom_999, 20 March 2012 - 01:12 AM.
#84
Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:27 AM
No...I'm not. He can decide what he wants to do with his manga, and its not as if anything is set in stone right now either.
Edited by AzureWaters, 20 March 2012 - 01:35 AM.
#85
Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:52 AM
Still with the way he has developed NS and has made parallels supporting the pairing I think it's already set in stone. If he hasn't bother making Naruto turn a 180 and fall in love with Hinata for absolutely no reason whatsoever (like Potter did with Ginny). Then he's not going to bother now because obviously NH isn't the pairing he is going for or the fact that in Sakura's debut ch 3 he makes Naruto introduce her" a pretty girl that I like" and when he introduces Hinata at the chunin exams arc he says" a weird, dark girl". That pretty much sums it up, along with Kushina's final words to Naruto to" not to fall for weird girl find someone like your mother" Kishi is slapping his pairing of choice in the reader's face that even the most simple minded person can see it. There's more proof that Naruto deeply loves Sakura so much he's willing to let her be with Sasuke for her to be happy and he would rather suffer heartbreak while been happy for her at the same time, this is canon because it's all over the manga. Now here's point of pure logic since Naruto is the protagonist he deserves to have the girl he has always love, he's the hero he should have the girl and that's the path Kishi has taken since he started writing his manga.
#86
Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:45 AM
He did decide- before he even wrote chapter 1. He knew exactly how he was going to finish the story when he started the story and has said so in multiple interviews,from during part 1 to his most recent one. Oh, and another point, Japanese manga writers usually tell their editors how the story will end (if they have an ending conceptualized like Kishimoto did) when they get the final go ahead for the story. The ending has already been set, was before Kishimoto drew the first panel for publication.
Kishimoto isn't going to change course randomly like you think he is- this isn't a western superhero comic, with it's characters owned by a corporation where the writers have no ownership rights to what they write (that's long been explicitly stated in the contracts that writers sign at Marvel and DC) and where they can be taken off a book at an editor's whim. Naruto is a Japanese shonen manga. Kishimoto is the sole creator and essentially the sole "controlling shareholder" now, and all rights will revert back to him once the story is completed.
Kishimoto has made it obvious in the manga from the very beginning the pairing is narusaku. He has developed narusaku since the start of part 1 and continues to develop that pairing, including obvious parallels with other significant couples to Naruto and Sakura. The last he did so in such a screamingly overt way with Minato and Kushina that no one who actually reads the manga should have the least doubt the ending is narusaku.
When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono
Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009
#87
Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:24 AM
#88
Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:45 AM
I have to agree and say this argument is kind of shallow. You can basically use this argument for any and all stories ever written. You can even apply this to real life history. "History is written by the victors." Some history books have people thought to be the Heroes, yet they themselves have done just as bad things if not worse. Any writer who writes can control how a story is written. It's kind of a jerk-ish argument if you ask me. Like getting into discussions about video games or consoles and that one guy keep saying "PCs are the best ever." Yeah, just because it is true, you don't need reminding of this fact every time you want to discuss a game.
The author decides what happens, but the bigger question is "Why and for what purpose?"
Any respectable writer does not just write something without purpose. Otherwise, they would not be a good writer. A story needs to have flow and causality. If you do this, then this must happen (Whether it has a great impact or a minor one, everything has a purpose). Of course, some writers use a cop-out and say "It was all a dream," but then this is why they call it a cop-out. It's not exactly a popular choice in writing.
With Kishimoto, we respect him as a writer. Even if we don't always like how he handles some things, we do respect him to say "Well, he might have a purpose later on" and most of the time it does pay off. Even if it might be much later in the story. We HOPE that all he has written about Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke actually meaning to it. We don't want to see a 360 in the story where by some "cosmic coincidence", all the characters end up right back where they started personality wise. Development is the car. Conflict is the motor. With the characters being the key.
Sakura possibly still having feelings for Sasuke might be there, but I have a feeling it over between them. She was in love with the Sasuke in Part 1. Not the Sasuke now. Since he has changed so dramatically, I doubt she can keep these feelings especially after what he has done to her. We can also throw the "She will fall right back into love if he comes back" as when she saw him again, she wasn't too happy to see him. That alone gives a hint that him just coming back is not enough to change her mind. Not only that, but combined with the fact that whenever she needed someone she always looked to Naruto. Whether it be support or courage. He was always the one that guided her even if she didn't have the answers.
I know there are facts even before the Pein, but I think for me, the Pein arc was where I finally believe it was canon. When the whole village was crushed and when Sakura knew that someone needed to be the hero, she didn't look for Sasuke. She looked towards Naruto. She screamed for Naruto to come back and save them all because she knew only he could. If she still had feelings for Sasuke or some weird obsession with him, do you think she would have prayed for Naruto to return? I know some will say it something like "Well she knew Naruto was the most powerful" or something like that, but that one scene spoke so much to me personally that I even look at scene when I have doubt.
We saw how emotional she got when Sasuke left. We saw that she had an even bigger reaction when Naruto got hurt or when she thought he was going to die whether it be through the Akatsuki or because of Kurama taking over. I wonder how she would react when she actually thinks he dies. I wonder how broken she would be.
I wonder, what SS fans would do if at the battle between Naruto and Sasuke when they both hit the floor. Sakura runs over to Naruto and not Sasuke.
#89
Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:13 AM
"My name is Sung Ji-woo. Some called me the Assassin of Death. A Necromancer Deity... My journey has been nothing but walking over a mountain of corpses. My legion of the dead reigns supreme. None shall block my way or... face the wrath of my blades!" --Solo Leveling.
#90
Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:49 AM
Thank God for that!
Other than that... Sasuke has been very clear about who he wants killing: everybody in Konohagakure. He has stated very clearly that is how he wants to restore his clan (slaying everybody he thinks slighted the Uchiha), and that statement includes his former teammates. I do not see what is ambiguous about it.
Do you want to take over the world, huh? Well, you'll have to go through us first!
#91
Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:10 AM
Don't worry man, This fc is nice. I got treated a bad way but guess what? I don't really care if someone bashed me or whatever. And check out the NH fan that joined the fc. He got bashed the worst way and he still continues. Just don't take it personally from them. I'am sure they didn't mean it.
#92
Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:52 AM
This is arrogance at its highest level. Just because you don’t understand someone’s way of thinking you go label him as someone who failed in comprehension? And also in previous pages you were bragging how you scored high in reading comprehension as a child. So what? Because of that you can tell people they lack comprehension skills because their interpretation is different than yours?
I want to make this clear before some people also label me as a Sakura basher or someone who didn’t read the manga. I have absolutely ZERO doubt that NS is the end pairing. However, I also believe that Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke was never dealt with ever since he went rogue. Konoha’sCrimsonFox mentioned this as well. Her feelings are the ONLY obstacle that NS has to overcome. No, Hinata was never an obstacle for NS because NH never had any development because it does not concern Naruto or Sakura but Hinata. SS however involves Sakura even though its one sided. That’s why I believe like I’ve said many times in other threads that her feelings for Sasuke would really need to be dealt with DIRECTLY and in not the kind where we have to interpret behind the lines or the character’s facial expression.
In other words, Sakura needs to verbally declare that she no longer harbor any feelings for Sasuke and really mean it unlike in her shaky confession to Naruto. That is why the confession didn’t go well, because of Sasuke. This clearly shows that Sasuke is an obstacle to NS. Only after that clear declaration can "Sakura no longer have feelings for Sasuke" be established as FACT. Right now, there’s only indirect interpretations which I think is not enough. But hey, this is just my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me. You can think whatever you want.
Edited by Darth Krypt, 20 March 2012 - 10:55 AM.
DK
#93
Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:27 AM
This is arrogance at its highest level. Just because you don’t understand someone’s way of thinking you go label him as someone who failed in comprehension? And also in previous pages you were bragging how you scored high in reading comprehension as a child. So what? Because of that you can tell people they lack comprehension skills because their interpretation is different than yours?
I want to make this clear before some people also label me as a Sakura basher or someone who didn’t read the manga. I have absolutely ZERO doubt that NS is the end pairing. However, I also believe that Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke was never dealt with ever since he went rogue. Konoha’sCrimsonFox mentioned this as well. Her feelings are the ONLY obstacle that NS has to overcome. No, Hinata was never an obstacle for NS because NH never had any development because it does not concern Naruto or Sakura but Hinata. SS however involves Sakura even though its one sided. That’s why I believe like I’ve said many times in other threads that her feelings for Sasuke would really need to be dealt with DIRECTLY and in not the kind where we have to interpret behind the lines or the character’s facial expression.
In other words, Sakura needs to verbally declare that she no longer harbor any feelings for Sasuke and really mean it unlike in her shaky confession to Naruto. That is why the confession didn’t go well, because of Sasuke. This clearly shows that Sasuke is an obstacle to NS. Only after that clear declaration can "Sakura no longer have feelings for Sasuke" be established as FACT. Right now, there’s only indirect interpretations which I think is not enough. But hey, this is just my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me. You can think whatever you want.
Thanks for getting my point. And I really think some of you guys need to be more humble. NaruSaku isn't canon right now, and to be honest the overconfidence is shallow at best. You guys panic at the slightest mention of Sasuke or Hinata. That doesn't sound like a group who is so sure of themselves.
#94
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:55 PM
That is exactly what's keeping NS from becoming canon. Those lingered romantic feelings she has for Sasuke is what I'm afraid for Naruto. (i'm going to get off topic again with this one) Kishi in numerous ways bashed Naruto's character from birth till now. His parents had to die in front of him, and the man who was responsible for it is fighting Naruto. The Sadaime Hokage made Naruto the to be treated as a hero of the village. Instead he got the opposite. And to add insult immensely, kishi plotted Sakura's character abhorred Naruto, while sometime in the academy. He developed a crush on the same girl who hates his guts all to her believe that he was an obstacle, and a person who was trying to ruin her life, and received brutal, but none harmful punishments. But she makes it up in part two. Jiraiya his godfather was killed, by Pain/Nagato who happens to be an Uzumaki. A blood relative killing a father figure. Naruto however doesn't know Nagato is related to him by the Uzumaki heritage. Also the brotherly affection he has for Sasuke has perhaps caused him the most pain next to Sakura. And now the very last person of his bloodline (Tsunade) has a fifty-fifty chance of dying. In other words, it's not the physical experience that is bashing Naruto. But those whom he held dearly within are causing him so much pain. The pain that he may lose love ones. the pain that he may have to sacrifice the life of the one he calls brother to save the world. The pain of that he is willing to give up his heart to make Sakura a happy girl. This is all the reason of a ploy to bash Naruto's character. While he simply could have let Sakura out of his heart and bring Sasuke back to her doing it as a friend, and find new love... but no...
I think his sudden power ups and heroic efforts in the past are not enough to make the suffering of a life time.
(back on topic)
But Sakura has the destiny to change that. She's been the one to make Naruto for who he is now. A man, not some idiot who still does pranks. Sakura was there for him in places where Kushina or a order sister could have done for him. She doesn't need to be pair up with Naruto, but realize the confession she'd made had ruined every chance for SS. She confessed and possibly made herself look like a fool stated naruto doesn't know what she thinks and what's on her mind, when clearly we the audience knows. Sakura has issues, I can only see two ways. Like what DK said, Sakura must verbally declare that she no longer loves Sasuke and move on (doesn't have to be Naruto), or she continues her fantasy quest to become the mother of the Uchiha Clan, and lose her reputation among her peers and fans. And that is why NS is not canon, but the good news is its not a one sided pairing like NH and SS.
Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 20 March 2012 - 12:58 PM.
"My name is Sung Ji-woo. Some called me the Assassin of Death. A Necromancer Deity... My journey has been nothing but walking over a mountain of corpses. My legion of the dead reigns supreme. None shall block my way or... face the wrath of my blades!" --Solo Leveling.
#95
Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:46 PM
The "Administration" has been aware of this since it began yesterday morning. It's been visited off and on by no less than four mod/admins. To this point, it's not been necessary for us to intervene.
I'd like to think everyone here is mature enough to handle this without our intervention.
Don't prove me wrong.
Speaking of that...this thread is already way of it's original topic and is morphing into a general debate thread.
#96
Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:20 PM
Doesn't even think about Sasuke to boot. We've already had a foreshadowing of that in the manga, and of course there is the one shot short OVA that Kishimoto and his friend Higashiyama (who also cowrote the Shippuden movie 5 novelization- which had a stronger narusaku theme than the actual movie did) co-scripted.
When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono
Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009
#97
Posted 20 March 2012 - 03:33 PM
Hey about that, Will this happen in the manga? I wish it does.
#98
Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:14 PM
NaruSaku isn't canon yet, you're right. However, it's very far ahead in the race to become canon. NH will have to do a lot of catching up (SS is already dead pretty much, if we assume that Kishi will be consistent with his characters. Sakura still harbors confused feelings for Sasuke, but she clearly isn't happy about them. It's also clear that Sasuke doesn't have/never has had romantic feelings for Sakura), catching up that is unlikely to have a possibility of happening.
I don't know who you've seen here, but not nearly all of us "panic" at the slightest mention of Sasuke or Hinata. I know that I don't, at least. There are others I know that don't as well, but I'm unsure as to whether they'd want their names called, so I won't specify.
"The time has come at last for you to learn everything . . .
Fare thee well, Albert, my friend."
#99
Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:24 PM
Even if it doesn't happen like that in the manga the fact that the people who created the OVA went out of their way to create such a tender moment between Naruto and Sakura just for them not to be together by the end of the story feel like it leaves a terrible taste in your mouth.
NH and SS fans can lie to themselves as many times as they want but that moment by the end was 100% meant to be romantic. A friendship moment between a boy and a girl would never in any shape or form involve one of them caressing the cheek of the other in such a way. Do you think that if it was Kakashi holding Naruto that he would touch his cheek like that? OH HELL NO!
Also remember that apart from the mouth the cheek is the place you kiss someone the most to show romantic affection and simply touching it can also bring about the same effect.
#100
Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:14 PM
I am going to disagree with that statement. To deny she doesn't think about Sasuke is a blantent lie. Even Naruto knows she still thinks about him. The difference being is that he does not know that she doesn't think about him in a happy light. Nor does she think about him in a romantic light. I am sure she still thinks of the tragedy of losing a teammate which some forget this fact as well.
Well, I am pretty sure you are not talking about me. lol I am just kidding.
I want to stay out of arguments myself and treat everyone with equality. Perhaps people got off on the wrong foot and things were said that shouldn't have been. Me and you, zacrathedemon, know this all too well. AmIrite?lol
It's best to just kiss and make-up. Even if you are right, you don't need to be jerks about it. I think both Ciardhra and Konoha'sCrimsonFox should make-up whatever happened here. If I may say you're both wrong and both right. And yeah, not all members here will go postal at the drop of a "Sasuke" or "Hinata." It's pretty tame here than say a general Naruto forums, but sometimes heated arguments occur.
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