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#21 Grace

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE (sardns @ Jul 13 2010, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's a question for y'all. What's more annoying to listen to: "Naruto-kun!" or "Kurosaki-kun!"?


"Naruto-kun", but that's only 'cause I don't follow Bleach =P
....that is from Bleach right? The "Kurosaki-kun" thing?


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Good point; Sakura's more prone to be cautious with how much of her actual emotion she shows, or at least that was the case when Sasuke was involved.


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I think what she means is that while Sakura was very open about the fact that she had feelings for Sasuke, she didn't always actually behave openly around him (or others for that matter besides Ino and Naruto) because she wanted to be seen a certain way.


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To be more tough? I'm not sure that has much to do with it....but maybe? I think it's more that she feels less obliged to address Naruto with a suffix since she went from not treating him with to respect to seeing him as an equal for who he is--there wasn't really a phase in there where she might have seen him as someone "respectable" enough to suddenly start calling "-kun".


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Didn't know that; like I mentioned earlier, I always kind of figured it was just a formal way to address someone you feel sort of close to *shrug* If it's used more as you say, though, it makes more sense.


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XD I feel pretty much the same. It really grates on my nerves whenever I come across her calling him that in a fic/doujinshi/fanart.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 07:58 PM

Hinata saying it is bad enough just Orihime saying it over and over and over. argh1.png

At least it's not as bad as Reborn where some of the guys call each other with chan suffix instead of kun.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 08:27 PM

actually the chan suffix is mostly gender neutral. its kind of the japanese equivalent of kiddo. it cna be used for both males (specifically younger boys) and and females.

its generaly used as an affectionate nickname for a female but it has multiple uses.
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ Jul 13 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
actually the chan suffix is mostly gender neutral. its kind of the japanese equivalent of kiddo. it cna be used for both males (specifically younger boys) and and females.

its generaly used as an affectionate nickname for a female but it has multiple uses.

Kinda like how Rukia goes usagi-chan for bunny, right?
Chan is just more of a cutesy way to refer some thing or some one.

And besides, isn't -kun more of a term to refer someone that is younger or lesser rank than yourself in a more informal tone?
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Posted 13 July 2010 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (jim1982 @ Jul 13 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kinda like how Rukia goes usagi-chan for bunny, right?
Chan is just more of a cutesy way to refer some thing or some one.

And besides, isn't -kun more of a term to refer someone that is younger or lesser rank than yourself in a more informal tone?


Uh... not exactly. It is often used to show both familiarity and respect when the level of respect (OR the status\rank of the person) and the formality of address isn't high enough to warrant the use of 'sama.'

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (sardns @ Jul 13 2010, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's a question for y'all. What's more annoying to listen to: "Naruto-kun!" or "Kurosaki-kun!"?



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Posted 13 July 2010 - 11:18 PM

I'm pretty sure Sakura would never switch. She never switched with Sasuke, even after he became their enemy. The -kun is nothing but habit at this point, and since she sticks with that I have no reason to think she would change what she calls Naruto. By the same token, Naruto wouldn't stop calling her Sakura-chan either.

Though I've wondered if Naruto ever refers to Hinata with the -chan suffix. I've heard conflicting things about it.

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 11:29 PM

I have seen Naruto saying Hinata-chan but only in fanfics, never seen it in the manga or anime

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 12:12 AM

Hmm I just don't see Sakura calling Naruto, Naruto-kun, to me it would seem so out of character for her to say that.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ Jul 13 2010, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm I just don't see Sakura calling Naruto, Naruto-kun, to me it would seem so out of character for her to say that.


I have to agree with this. While it was funny in the omake, this isn't require for her. Many fanfics always made Sakura called Naruto, "Naruto-kun" like she is Hinata's replacement, which is a pet peeve for me (although, I don't mind that she call him that at least once or twice in lemons... heheelq7.png ).

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 01:57 AM

OMG, the squeally voice of that running through my head over and over... sad.gif

Yeah, Sakura saying Naruto-kun is like A doughnut filled with broccoli. Doesn't work does it?

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 02:53 AM

QUOTE (jim1982 @ Jul 13 2010, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kinda like how Rukia goes usagi-chan for bunny, right?
Chan is just more of a cutesy way to refer some thing or some one.

And besides, isn't -kun more of a term to refer someone that is younger or lesser rank than yourself in a more informal tone?


exactly chan is a cutesey nickname or way of referring to someone

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Uh... not exactly. It is often used to show both familiarity and respect when the level of respect (OR the status\rank of the person) and the formality of address isn't high enough to warrant the use of 'sama.'


also correct. Kuns falls along the same or similar lines to sempai.

for example Sasuke or Choji could be referred to as kun as they are on the same level of position as the gals of the 9. while Neji and Shikamaru would most appropriately be referred to as Sempai as both are of higher rank then the rest.

Kun would also be appropriate as a suffix for both as well.
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Posted 14 July 2010 - 03:35 AM

Hey,
I don't think I shall like it a lot if Sakura adopts 'Naruto-Kun' as her way of adressing Naruto.
Being from a country with a very specific code of conduct regarding how to address someone, though not something as elaborate as Japanese suffixes, I appreciate the fact that every form of addressing has a different meaning.
From what i have understood till now,
'kun' represents familiarity with respect/admiration,
'san' is a polite way of addressing someone without implying closeness or even familiarity,
'sama' is for person at a higher station in life, or someone highly respectable,
no honorific, however can mean either no respect, or closeness/intimacy to the level that formality is not required.
Now, with Sakura, she addresses everyone with politeness with two notable exceptions:
a) Sasuke: whom she always calls 'kun'. First to represent admiration and now, atleast according to me, out of habit.
b) Naruto: whom she had never called with any honorific. In the beginning, I think it was because of no respect rather than familiarity (he did use to annoy her). Though later it remained so due to their increased closeness, and also due to her habit. If Naruto has been paying any attention, he would know that being with him through his worst time, she does respect and support him. She need not imply with her speech that he is respected.
And now, since it depicts closeness, now her usage of ‘kun’ suffix, will denote distance (along with respect). I think if she starts doing so with him, instead of being happy, Naruto should get worried, as to what he did to distance her from himself.
But the above is my point of view and opinions may differ.
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Edited by primary colours123, 14 July 2010 - 04:07 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2010 - 03:38 AM

QUOTE (primary colours123 @ Jul 13 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey,
I don't think I shall like it a lot if Sakura adopts 'Naruto-Kun' as her way of adressing Naruto.
Being from a country with a very specific code of conduct regarding how to address someone, though not something as elaborate as Japanese suffixes, I appreciate the fact that every form of addressing has a different meaning.
From what i have understood till now,
'kun' represents familiarity with respect/admiration,
'san' is a polite way of addressing someone without implying closeness or even familiarity,
'sama' is for person at a higher station in life, or someone highly respectable,
no honorific, however can mean either no respect, or closeness/intimacy to the level that formality is not required.
Now, with Sakura, she addresses everyone with politeness with two notable exceptions:
a) Sasuke: whom she always calls 'kun'. First to represent admiration and now, atleast according to me, out of habit.
b) Naruto: whom she had never called with any honorific. In the beginning, I think it was because of no respect rather than familiarity (he did use to annoy her). Though later it remained so due to their increased closeness, and also due to her habit. If Naruto has been oaying any attention, he would know that being with him through his worst time, she does respect and support him. she need not imply with her speech that he is respecte.
And now, since it depicts closeness, now her usage of ‘kun’ suffix, will denote distance (along with respect). I think if she starts doing so with him, instead of being happy, Naruto should get worried, as to what he did to distance her from himself.
But the above is my point of view and opinions may differ.
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....well, not sure what to say to that other than "thank you" for summing up my thoughts on the matter entirely, and in a concise manner XD

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 10:13 AM

HAHA! I laughed at the 'Kurosaki-kun' part.


I find it weird and different if Sakura call Naruto, Naruto-kun. I've always skipped fan fics where the authors write them with Sakura calling him Naruto-kun. I don't know but it seems as if it makes the girl sounds weak. I don't know what I'm talking about but then, yeah.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (unhskikrforever @ Jul 19 2010, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HAHA! I laughed at the 'Kurosaki-kun' part.


I find it weird and different if Sakura call Naruto, Naruto-kun. I've always skipped fan fics where the authors write them with Sakura calling him Naruto-kun. I don't know but it seems as if it makes the girl sounds weak. I don't know what I'm talking about but then, yeah.


THIS. I will always, always stop reading a fanfic if Sakura starts calling him "Naruto-kun".

I think I kind of get what you're saying about it making her seem weak: to me, whenever I see her refer to him that way, my mind is immediately taken back to how she'd behave around Sasuke. I have a hard time separating Sakura's use of "-kun" and the almost timid (and dishonest, in terms of her real nature) behavior she'd display when addressing Sasuke with it.

We may never know if using "-kun" is something Sakura did only with Sasuke because she admired him without knowing him through friendship first, or if it's something she'd do with Naruto as well as a sign of her genuine affection--but I do know that it drives me up a wall to imagine her saying it to Naruto confused.gif

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 12:03 PM

Naruto-kun makes me cringe.

In the manga, -kun is used in a somewhat negative light. Either by the two fangirls (Hinata to Naruto, Sakura to Sasuke) or by Orochimaru or Kabuto. And none of those are happy, healthy relationships. Srsly.

Naruto's use of the -chan suffix with Sakura-chan is an endearing character trait, and an easy way to signal intended closenes: -chan is used exclusively from Naruto to Sakura and nowhere else in the manga. In fact, I don't think he ever calls her by just her name alone (I can't remember a time, but please correct me if I'm wrong.).

Does Naruto start right out calling her Sakura-chan? It would be interesting if he did - signaling that he already liked her from before the start of the manga.

edit: just reread the first few chapters. Yup, he called her Sakura-chan from the beginning, introducing her to the manga as "a very cute girl that I like a lot." *sweet*

Edited by tricksie, 19 July 2010 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2010 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Jul 13 2010, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure Sakura would never switch. She never switched with Sasuke, even after he became their enemy. The -kun is nothing but habit at this point, and since she sticks with that I have no reason to think she would change what she calls Naruto. By the same token, Naruto wouldn't stop calling her Sakura-chan either.

Though I've wondered if Naruto ever refers to Hinata with the -chan suffix. I've heard conflicting things about it.


Okay I seriously don't know what you're talking about Naruto would never call Hinata with the chan suffix because he has never had any interest in her he just calls her Hinata. You're right about Sakura calling Sasuke with the kun as a habit but before it became a habit she said it to him as a sign of respect.

However I like Sakura calling Naruto just Naruto because it means that she's more close to him than using a suffix for him like everyone else have previously mentioned before.

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Posted 19 July 2010 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jul 19 2010, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay I seriously don't know what you're talking about Naruto would never call Hinata with the chan suffix because he has never had any interest in her he just calls her Hinata.


Exactly, it's right there in the manga, he never adds chan to Hinata's name because he never has had any romantic interest in her, only Sakura gets the chan suffix, because he does have romantic feelings for her.

Kun and chan have a different tone, even in the real world of Japan. Kun is a distancing respectful suffix (or vaguely insulting if used by an older adult male to a younger adult male- it's implying the older adult thinks the younger adult is acting childish)

Chan is an affectionate term, showing a close emotional bond between the speaker and the person being called "chan".
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