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[Otaru]

I think those who believe this are children. Really.

They must be 12.

[narusaku256]

I think those who believe this are children. Really.

They must be 12.

If I am not wrong, the whole NH fandom consists of such people. If I am not wrong...that is

[Nostradamus]

If I am not wrong, the whole NH fandom consists of such people. If I am not wrong...that is

No you're not wrong. The majority of the NH/H fanbase are kids. Or at least adults that haven't grown yet.

[narusaku256]

No you're not wrong. The majority of the NH/H fanbase are kids. Or at least adults that haven't grown yet.

The latter makes more sense, tbh XD

[Nostradamus]

Something I forgot to mention about these last chapters. You see there's a character that I really feel sorry for getting trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. And that character is Kabuto, I mean he just got out of Itachi's genjutsu and now he's trapped in the IT. Bad luck there. 

[Kakashi-Sensei]

Do they think Naruto is like Games of Thrones lol. It isin't, major characters will stay major characters and same for  the side ones.

 

Im sorry to disapointed them but

 

Hinata --- Side character

 

However NaruHina fans think that she is the main heroine, but they forgot that Sakura is the one in team 7, and she is the girl with the more panel time in the entire show, so please... Reincarnation my a**

[Dkey]

Something I forgot to mention about these last chapters. You see there's a character that I really feel sorry for getting trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. And that character is Kabuto, I mean he just got out of Itachi's genjutsu and now he's trapped in the IT. Bad luck there. 

Da dar uite era singura cale prin care putea sa ramana doar team 7 si printro oarecare intamplare hokagii. Vdm miercuri daca o sa aiba un rol cei din urma

[luffyq1]

Do they think Naruto is like Games of Thrones lol. It isin't, major characters will stay major characters and same for  the side ones.

 

Im sorry to disapointed them but

 

Hinata --- Side character

 

However NaruHina fans think that she is the main heroine, but they forgot that Sakura is the one in team 7, and she is the girl with the more panel time in the entire show, so please... Reincarnation my a**

She'll become a main when she gets golden Byakugan from Kaguya. Since Kaguya has Byakugan that means she'll have to groom Hinata.

[rikakim94]

It's based on the drink that I have been drinking for a while, though I think it's a Naruto's flavor. Must be something very friendly taste or it makes me the greatest speaker of all time. I bought it at nyc flushing sky foods. I have been going there for Asian food. They are pretty good. But yes, I caught my eyes on it and I bought one. Now, it's in the fridge. I'll take it pic soon. There are four covers. I got the Team Kakashi one. Based on anime. Just surprising that USA would bring it.

 

 I went there with my friends before its a food store thats inside of the flushing queens mall right? I live in new york to!

 

 

Another thing i want to ask This is just a thought i had in mind for awhile for any NS new yorkers, If NS becomes canon and when theres a new york comic con coming up should we visit there just to see live reactions from the naruto fanbase? or is it just a scary reckless thing to do. Im not going to argue i think its to scary enough in the internet, but as a passive observer im just curious to see what might go down there. On the bright side i think it might be a nice get together. 

Edited by rikakim94, 09 June 2014 - 06:00 PM.

[FireFox]

Something I forgot to mention about these last chapters. You see there's a character that I really feel sorry for getting trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. And that character is Kabuto, I mean he just got out of Itachi's genjutsu and now he's trapped in the IT. Bad luck there. 

And people say that Sasuke's and the Uciha story is sad *sign* Poor Poor Kabuto i guess this is his punishment to be forever stuck in a dream world/Illusion he got the dream penalty LOL XD .

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

First you say that its his own speed but you don't explain it how and furthermore you discard half of my post were i point out that his speed hasn't increased at all after the T7 reunion if you respond then respond to my whole post  thank you .

I explained the pics, it shows nothing that it was Sasuke's jutsu.
 

What objects ? In the first panel if you mean he moved Naruto's staff then that's not the case Because Naruto trowed that staff right at Madara .

It's complicated, let's go to the facts here's the sword before the swap "http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg" here it shows Madara charging Sasuke "http://i10.mangaread...uto-4920301.jpg" There was no sword being shown, the Madara stabbed "http://i18.mangaread...uto-4920303.jpg" if you notice some trembling on Madara and the sword was carved on a stone my guess is that he moved both objects, the sword and Madara but however Sasuke wasnt there anymore.
it cant be flash step, neither simple object swap but i believe its Izanagi.

 

The second and third panel isn't Sasuke moving Madara but Sasuke stabbing Madara with his sword or switching with his sword while reappearing behind Naruto

He maybe reappeared behind Naruto but however it's exactly the same place his sword was here
"http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg"
 

, he didn't move Madara from his original position the place where he was heading to toward Sasuke you can see in the scan that Sasuke is the one who moved not Madara so check again . That wasn't Sasuke's speed as you see it was his ability of his eye .

http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/674/13
Sasuke says clearly "Naruto throw that towards me!" he moves Madara on which was here "http://i2.mangareade...uto-4920307.jpg", if he was going to teleport himself like you suggested there's no reason why he told Naruto to throw his rasengan at him if he wasnt going to move Madara.
 

The last panel check again Madara says "it seems that he can't use it" not that he can't and yet Sasuke ends up using it . And you are wrong in here at that panel of Sasuke he was pinpointing Madara's location that's why the focus on his eye once he did that he closed in on him it wasn't just to show that his jutsu has a range .

It just says that he's out of range and nothing more, it shows that Sasuke also realized it.
But no signs of jutsu, since Madara had time to take out the sharingan and implant.
Sasuke reached there afterwards and cut him in half.
 
 

So what how does that diminishes his speed ? He catch her in movement from a very close range that's speed . I was merely describing the scene when i said that he first caught his sword that's all . 
Naruto's eyes weren't being in SM when he saves her ? He was before so he could track her he wasn't when he saved her.

Because Kagebushin's, one was blocking the attack and the original went for Sakura, it inst speed.
 

Edit : Relative in what way ? Do you agree that they are equal or not ?

Relative because depends on how it happened.
Was naruto half way to save Sakura?
How fast was Sasuke's stab?
Sasuke had to took out the kunai first so it could give time for Naruto to save her.
Kakashi would not be able to save her but if you notice he was really close to Sasuke's back despite being fatigued by the use of his sharingan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 June 2014 - 07:47 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Self Inserted Delusion pretty much after all according to them the manga is called The Goddess Hinata Hyuga  

 

Because if you have rabid fans you can get away with anything  

[Gojira]

Well, got my Naruto's drink. Here's hoping for a good chapter.

wuz it taste like?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

It's also best not to allow fear of the unknown and jealousy of what others have dictate their courses of action. Naruto doesn't have the power of the world in his pocket like Kaguya did. The Kages have their alliances and the bijuu behind them as a counterpoise if this scenario were to ever take place. Just to make a point, no one is as equally as skilled as the other. Disparities are ripe with shinobi based on a myriad of things like age, experience, rank, and potential. You can't do anymore to change that than you can to stop the flow of time (until a Space-Time ninjutsu is introduced that can do such a thing).

 

Still, It's best not go through the trouble, especially when this power far surpasses anything the current generation of Kages can muster, even together.

 

 

Kaguya's objective was the subjugation of humanity by keeping the people's minds entranced in her genjutsu. The people that Hagoromo were acting to bring together went against his intentions by transforming chakra into tools of war. That wasn't so much a "failure" on his part as it was the inability of the masses to cope with something they were unfamiliar with; it was their own responce, their own emotions that dictated how they acted. Naruto's generation was brought up with the knowledge on how to control that power and it hasn't caused them to become arrogant or overbearing for the most part; moreover, they've found a common enemy to bring them together and allow them to see how the nations act when they're not at each other's throats.. It should speak for itself how discrepant the attitudes of Hagoromo's generation were next to the present day. History only repeats itself if the people are unwilling to change it. And I can see plenty that's changed now compared to the climate just one arc ago.

 

It wasn't always that intention though.  She got corrupted by her own power.  She originally just wanted to stop the wars.

 

Yes, people in this time have greater knowledge, but that knowledge was being put to more use in creating more tools for war and amassing power, than it was towards peace.  Before this war, the world was engulfed in hatred.  Even in this war, they all decided to work together, because the world would be destroyed otherwise.  Now, while they are genuinely working together, what comes after the war is very critical.  It's not like once the war is over, they can just go back to what it was like before, and still expect to be friendly towards each other.  They have to keep working to keep strengthening their newly developed relations, or else they risk regressing to what they were.

 

This is another reason why I believe the power-ups are temporary.  The five countries already have enough on their plate even after this war.  No need to add more, by having everyone worry about two super-powered ninjas, in which one is already guaranteed to be a future threat, and they would have to figure out what to do with the other one.

 

 

Hagoromo explained that the reason for Indra's falling out with Ashura was that he had neglected to give the same consideration for him as he did for his brother. What does that imply? That if they were both treated with an equal amount of attentiveness, this blood feud could have been avoided? Humility might have been instilled and Hagoromo's desired wish for cooperation between his two children might have become a reality. This gives credence to the idea that nurture is more important than what you are or where you came from. Kaguya allowed her power to overtake her rationality, but that was her fatal weakness, not her descendants' (not until environmental conditions spurned and compelled them to do everything on their own, it was all downhill from there since Indra indoctrinated his own family to believe as he did).

 

All that is a "what if".  it doesn't change the result.  If anyone should have felt like the neglected child, it was Ashura.  He's the one who had the insecurities of living in his brother's shadow.  Hagoromo was inspired by Ashura's way of life, and that's what made him decide to split the Juubi's power and create the Bijuu.  He made the choice of making Ashura the successor, because of this inspiration.  Indra, who most probably believed he was assured as successor due to his power, couldn't accept this, and that's what drove him to fight Ashura.

 

We don't know how Hagoromo raised his children.  It's likely that "didn't give enough attentiveness to Indra" was just blaming himself out of guilt for a situation that was out of his control.  The truth could be he gave him plenty of attention.  Even if he didn't, it was all up to Indra to fight against his brother.  A parent can't control their kid's actions.  Also, it's not unusual for the parent to blame himself, even when it's not really his fault, Minato being an example.  Naruto is the perfect example of how your situation doesn't define you.  Even Sasuke is an example.  He made the decisions he made out of his own choice and discretion.  He knew he could have a different life, if he wanted it, but in the end, he didn't.  Indra's no different.  In the end, he chose to start conflict.

 

 

I think Naruto and Sasuke have more pressing matters on their mind besides personal comfort. Having a marking placed on the their other arm shouldn't hinder them in the slightest. Sure, it might not be coming from the arm they happen to write with, but emitting chakra has always been more than using favourited limbs. Arms, legs, feet, mouth... They're all used whenever necessary for a jutsu during battle. Shinobi should be trained in how to use their body efficiently for chakra emission.

 

The point was that they can only use these powers through their respective hands, showing the the power-up is indeed limited to only specific parts of their bodies.

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is starting to sound more and more like unsupported presumptions of jealousy and anger that don't even exist. Why are they doomed to fail? If the people have improved means of communication, have shared experiences that would allow them to understand each other, and are willing to put forth the effort to achieve international peace like what they're doing now, there's no reason to assume that they will fail. This doesn't embody actual trust if you still harbour negative emotions which is not the direction that Kishi is taking the manga. Naruto has made his intentions clear about what he's to use his power for. He's not leeching off the energies of the world's population like Kaguya did nor is he enslaving everyone with a planet-scale genjutsu. There's nothing to contest about it without venturing into the world of fanfiction or unless Kishi decides to address the same flaws that plagued Kaguya to Naruto. If Kishi intends to have Naruto end with the world seeing a long-lasting peace then that's that.

 

Kaguya got consumed by her own power, becoming arrogant.  Also, people started to fear her.  We know this.  This is all human nature.  How is that expected to change in present time?  People will start to fear Naruto, and Sasuke, if they keep these power-ups.  It's only a matter of time.  Saving the world is only a passing trend.  It will be forgotten, or it just won't matter.  Naruto's actual intentions won't matter.  In fact, because people like Kaguya exist, people will be concerned Naruto will fall the same way, if he has all this power.  People can change, Sasuke being an example.  Out of this fear, many will outcast him again.  He was outcasted, just for containing a Bijuu, since he was born.  Really, let's not give people a reason.

 

Many fans noted how the current generation is weaker in strength to their predecessors.  It was so glaringly obvious.  Many (not here, another forum) insulted the manga and the author, because they thought it was broken Aesop of the theme the new generation surpassing the old.  However, that's missing the point.  For all the power the previous generations had all the way back to Kaguya, they couldn't get people to understand one another.  Indra never understood his father's reasons why Ashura was chosen as successor.  In the end, Hashirama and Madara couldn't re-understand each other.  Why is the current generation so weak in comparison to past generations?  The reason is because it's not their power in which they are meant to surpass, but their goals.  Ninjutsu shouldn't even exist.  Hagoromo said that chakra shouldn't be used to increase the power of a single individual.  In just that, why would he give two people this much power permanently, when it goes against his beliefs. 

 

He said chakra connects people.  That's Ninshuu.  If anything, we'll definitely see Ninshuu be put into practice during the fight with Kaguya.  That can't happen if it's just Naruto and Sasuke.  We already caught a glimpse with the mass Kurama cloaks.

 

 

 

Kurama is not the only one, the bijuu explained how their chakra was seated in Naruto's body by Obito after realizing there wasn't enough strength to win. The Yin half is the only semi-complete bijuu inside of Naruto, but bits of the others have been retained.

Whatever choices the bijuu that are housed in Kaguya make, it shouldn't have any importance on what the fragments and Yin Kurama will decide upon. The prophecy correlates to Naruto fighting Sasuke, and he's admitted that in order to do so he would need Kurama's power. If they're going to fight, it's going to be with the abilities they have been developing since the early days (power which is derived from the bijuu).

 

Yeah, but that was only for Shukaku and Giyuki.  The rest of the Bijuu chakra he already had.  This is obviously a unique case.  Remember Naruto gave the alliance his and Kurama's chakra, and I doubt there were proxies of them inside everyone when they did that for the time the Alliance had them.

 

What do you mean the Bijuu have no say on what the fragments decide.  They aren't separate entities.  They are the same Bijuu only able to talk and act inside Naruto through the chakra they left him, because they are unable too while inside the Juubi.  It all depends on what happens after they are extracted from Kaguya again, which can very be a circumstantial event that has them all extracted and free without endangering Naruto's life.  That's a possibility at the least.  Yes, Naruto said he needed Kurama's power, but that doesn't mean he has to be inside to help him.  Ironically, it could be similar to Hashirama vs. Madara, when Madara was controlling Kurama.

 

 

This point has been brought up in several of your earlier posts and I've already given my thoughts on the matter; it's becoming an unending cycle.

How frequently Kishi rehashes the power up methods isn't important.

What's important is Kishi's intentions and the statements he's made concerning Naruto and Sasuke. Repetitiveness has no relevance unless the author chooses to make it so. They're only as strong as they need to be and if it's necessary for the drivers of the plot to receive another power increase, then that'll be it.

 

Yes, but will they get another power-up?  What more can they possible have at this point, and in what shape?  Hagoromo's power-up is clearly defined by the moon shape marks on their hands.  If they meet Hamura, and get another power-up, we can expect another symbolism reference, but there isn't another one.  Moon and crescent moon, Yin and Yang, it's already been done by meeting Hagoromo.  I honestly can't see another power-up on top of this one happening.  If Kaguya manages to strip them of Hagoromo's power that would be another story, but chapter 679 implies she can't.
 

A team with members that have different functions does not violate or damage the spirit of teamwork. Teamwork shouldn't be limited to something as narrow as everyone charging an enemy and trying to kill them. That isn't how teamwork is defined. Take for example the Ino-Shika-Cho trio. Each member is given a respective role that they each fill. Shikamaru is the strategist, Ino operates as reconnaissance, and Choji is the brawn who inflicts damage. The motive is for each member working in tandem to benefit the group and achieve the greater objective. Sakura happens to do best in the medical field and Kakashi...well he's mostly dead weight at the moment but that's nothing Sakura can't rectify if she gets an opportunity to replenish his chakra.

 

I saw a group of four that was once a combat unit years ago posing together for the typical cliffhanger page after being reunited for the second time, staring over towards the enemy with their guards raised.

"Catching the bells" implies having an objective, an objective means taking steps to ensure that you reach said objective, which can entail any kind of tactic being used. It just so happened that one played decoy, the other two tried landing attacks, and the last one observed everything from a distance. They did as much as I hoped they could with their professions and how much strength they have.

Believe it then. The manga will tell whose guesswork turned out right in the near future.

They may have distinguished jobs.  However, Sakura and Kakashi are not at the level to where they can even provide any support.  It's become obvious with Madara you either need 8 Gates, dojutsu, Bijuus, or chakra given by legendary people to stand a chance.  Kaguya comes off as stronger than him.  What can they do now at their base, other than get in the way at this point?  While saying it harshly, Sasuke made a point.  Right now, they can't do anything.  This is why they need to have a circumstantial event happen to be able to.

 

With the exception of her fights against Ino and Sasori, Sakura's involvement in combat tends to be limited. She wills herself to stand, rushes out to make a difference, and then retracts into obscurity after using a combo or two. That's the formulaic pattern used by her. If you need proof, glance over the altercation with the Sound nin, her bout with the centipede during the Pain arc, the impersonating Zetsu in the medical tent, the Jubi spawn, or most recently her diversion against Madara. Some of those skip the first step, but they all follow a noticeable routine of quick entrances and exits.

Outside of combat is another issue. Her talents as a medic are better emphasised and they tend to get more spotlight.

 

Yes, her healing has been emphasized, but she desires to fight.  She doesn't want to be in the back, but her job automatically puts her there. I understand that she had limited options, and with the lack of medic ninjas, her job was kind of laid out for her. That doesn't change her conundrum though. She clearly desires to be in front, but her status as medic prevents her.  She is one of the few that can heal, and as such, she's a valuable member to the team, so she can't afford to risk her life recklessly.  However, ironically, it's an obstruction to her goal of standing with the boys on the stage of combat.

 

I don't consider "development" in a team based environment to be limited strictly to attacks and how much punch they carry. If Sakura can make a difference through her prominent skillset as a medic, it will show how she's grown to rise against adversity and not let it overwhelm her. I think that's most important.

 

This is very special case though. Kaguya is right in front of them. She's going make sure they fall in that lava no matter what. Sakura can't really heal in this environment, and you can argue that Naruto is his current state overrides her medic abilities, which many fans got upset about. No matter how you slice it, if anyone gets severely injured, he's dead, and Sakura's dead, because healing makes both the healer and the injured vulnerable, and no enemy would pass up that chance.  As I see it, no one can afford to get seriously injured that requires healing, and everyone has to stay on their toes.
 

Play the act of loyal observer and await her orders? If/When Kaguya begins to feel pressured, Spiral Zetsu could have an important purpose in the making - to release an imperfect Zetsu army during a time of desperation or kill the remaining two survivors as Kaguya handles Naruto and Sasuke.

 

I'm sure the castor is the only one who can do that. Spiral Zetsu is essential a parasitic organism that needs a host to be capable.
 

We don't know the reasons for why Konan's actions were off-screen during the Invasion of Pain arc. The only one who has that answer is Kishi. I do have a suspicion that it might have been for similar reasons that Tsunade was denied a fight against God Realm though - to expedite Naruto's return.

 

It's because her having a battle will take focus away from Naruto vs. Pain, the main event. It's the same reason why Suigetsu and Kisame's battle was off screen during Sasuke vs. Itachi, or the entire Team Gai fight with their clones was off panel in the manga, during Gaara Retrieval arc. Diverging focus on more than one front can get complicated and taxing. Focusing primarily on one area will subtract the attention from the others, and focusing on all fronts equally will require more panel time, but even with that, each part will have a percentage of panel time, and won't have a lot of detail. Taking page count into consideration, it requires much critical thinking.

Take the Alliance fighting Spiral Zetsu for example. We really only got two instances of it with many chapters in between. The first being where Gaara stopped there to get a medic for Naruto, and Karin got a convenient ability to pass Spiral Zetsu to get to Sasuke. The second is when IT happens. In order to focus primarily on Naruto and Sasuke's situation, Kishimoto had to sacrifice expanding more on the battle with the alliance. Take the Invasion of Konoha by the Orochimaru and the sand for another example. Naruto vs. Gaara, Hiruzen vs. Orochimaru, and the state of the battle between regular forces, each of those parts had to have an appropriate amount of panel time in easy to follow, fluid structure, though there are those would argue on how well it was done, but you get the gist.
 

I know that it was Yamato's own Mokuton abilities amplifying Spiral Zetsu's that helped him do so well against the 5 Kages and the Alliance. An accomplishment of that calibre could have only been achieved by someone like Madara and there's an enormous gap between him (when he was a zombie) and the suggested level that Black Zetsu is on whose shoes Spiral Zetsu might fill (that's assuming Spiral Zetsu is equally as powerful as his darker counterpart). Someone who can handle themselves against the Mizukage and her squad is no one to be scoffed at.

A feat he can only achieve only shown while the Alliance was still exhausted from the fight with Obito and the Juubi, and the Third was the only one basically able to put up a fight against him, so it's not really an accurate gauge of his skill and abilities. Spiral Zetsu can be associated as a parasitic organism. He is only as strong depending on who he attaches too, and amplifies their abilities. The drawback is that he's likely helpless when he doesn't have a host.
 

That cave will not remain whole for very long. Not with the kind of powers that Naruto and Sasuke have. Just the collateral damage alone should destroy it if the duo decides to use their more powerful techniques.

Kaguya's ability to change the surroundings is a mystery. They could have either teleported to another location or Banbutsu Sozo was used to materialise the cave in the surrounding area. Regardless, a floor submerged completely in lava with congested surroundings is bound to cause enough issue to compel one or both sides to escape. But since Zetsu is able to fast travel using the earth, he might appear on the walls or ceiling in the next chapter.

 

I doubt it will be that simple. Kaguya won't have problem because she can fly. Team 7 are the ones in deep trouble, with only Sasuke confirmed to fly. Naruto may be able to with Chomei, but right now, that doesn't leave speculation. I don't believe this will be just a change in scenery for a moment. It's very possible that some serious incident will happen in this place that affects the group. Kishimoto is likely going to use this location in some way, or else why have it at all.

[Atheck]

I'm not in the mood to argue anymore (especially not with how long it takes to respond to each point on an individual basis). I'll wait until the next few manga chapters are released to see how things pan out. Consider this post to be my admittance of defeat (at least for now).

Edited by Atheck, 10 June 2014 - 03:36 AM.

[*- ZerΩ -*]

We must still see Narutos new Bijuu Mode... I mean the Monster transformation(i think you know what i mean  )

[FireFox]

I explained the pics, it shows nothing that it was Sasuke's jutsu.
 
It's complicated, let's go to the facts here's the sword before the swap "http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg" here it shows Madara charging Sasuke "http://i10.mangaread...uto-4920301.jpg" There was no sword being shown, the Madara stabbed "http://i18.mangaread...uto-4920303.jpg" if you notice some trembling on Madara and the sword was carved on a stone my guess is that he moved both objects, the sword and Madara but however Sasuke wasnt there anymore.
it cant be flash step, neither simple object swap but i believe its Izanagi.

Then explain his speed to me as well as why he didn't use it against Madara the second time if it wasn't due to the Rinengan ? But he uses it in here :  http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/679/7 . 

 

 

I agree that it's complicated however if you notice in here http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg

The sword appears to be from  Naruto's Left side .And in here http://i18.mangaread...uto-4920303.jpg The sword and Madara appears to be from Naruto's Right side while Sasuke is coming from Naruto's Left side were the sword previously was . So to me it seems like  Sasuke swapped places with his sword and Madara was on his original side which appears to be the Right side of Naruto's. Not to mention that its impossible for him to look and move two objects from two different sides at the same time and all of that with only one eye  for that short amount of time , Madara was just seconds before striking him .  

 

As for what it is imo its Flash Step with some dematerialization ability like @James said or some kind of Space Time binding thing , as for Izanagi i don't think so because Izanagi is an illusion changing ones reality into an illusion i would say dematerialization fits more then anything in here  besides how would Izanagi fit in here ?  

 

 
He maybe reappeared behind Naruto but however it's exactly the same place his sword was here
"http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg"
 

I explained this above their position were different and Sasuke appeared from the side were the sword was while Madara and the sword were on the other side presumably Madara's and Sasuke's original side .

 

 
http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/674/13
Sasuke says clearly "Naruto throw that towards me!" he moves Madara on which was here "http://i2.mangareade...uto-4920307.jpg", if he was going to teleport himself like you suggested there's no reason why he told Naruto to throw his rasengan at him if he wasnt going to move Madara.
 
It just says that he's out of range and nothing more, it shows that Sasuke also realized it.
But no signs of jutsu, since Madara had time to take out the sharingan and implant.
Sasuke reached there afterwards and cut him in half.

 I  wasn't arguing that to me it seems like he can move one object at the time in here it was Madara instead of the sword and i never said that what he did was teleporting  its either Flash Step or some Binding Space&Time ability like i said above 

 

To me it seems like its both realizing that Madara is out of range and then preparing to Flash Step either way its not a speed that comes from his body but from the Rinengan  .  Like i said explain his speed to me as well as why he didn't use it against Madara  when Sakura attacked if it wasn't due to the Rinengan ? But he uses it in here :  http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/679/7 . 

 

 
1.Because Kagebushin's, one was blocking the attack and the original went for Sakura, it inst speed.
 
2.Relative because depends on how it happened.
Was naruto half way to save Sakura?
How fast was Sasuke's stab?
Sasuke had to took out the kunai first so it could give time for Naruto to save her.
Kakashi would not be able to save her but if you notice he was really close to Sasuke's back despite being fatigued by the use of his sharingan.

1. How was that not speed for crying out loud ? Its not like he casually walked to her to catch her , the Kagebunshin has nothing to with him catching Sakura after she got hit and was sent flying of again look at Naruto's movement he was behind her and he managed to catch her at that short distance an that's speed . Why are you diminishing this ?

  

2.

Was it half way we may never know but it doesn't change the fact that when he caught her he was in his Base not in SM so from this the advantage is on Base Naruto . If Kishi wanted for Naruto to save her in SM he would have done it in the first place and then make him lose his SM but that wasn't the case.

 

Well his stab wasn't in slow motion that's for sure and its not like Sasuke was taking his time with it

 

Taking the Kunai from her doesn't take even a minute a mere couple of seconds its not that much of a difference as you making it out     to be . Still catching her before Sasuke slashed her that requires high speed and the whole process appeared to be fast

    

And yet Kakashi didn't noticed Naruto from that distance this actually makes my case even better that Naruto was very fast in here which after this even Kakashi compliments Naruto for his timing a second late and she would have been dead .

 

So judging from this Base Naruto equals Base Sasuke at speed .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 09 June 2014 - 11:06 PM.

[tekopi]

 

It's because they think Haruma will be the one with Byakugan and the ancestor of Hyuuga.

This could be possible.

 

But I really don't get how the kitten they link Haruma to Hinata lol.

They're just desperate to make her more relevant in the story.

 

Self Inserted Delusion pretty much after all according to them the manga is called The Goddess Hinata Hyuga  

 

 

IF it is, Hiashi is much better since he is not a cross-dresser + a side character too + a Hyuga. I Approved.

 

 

 

No you're not wrong. The majority of the NH/H fanbase are kids. Or at least adults that haven't grown yet

 

And now we know  .

Edited by tekopi, 10 June 2014 - 12:25 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Then explain his speed to me as well as why he didn't use it against Madara the second time if it wasn't due to the Rinengan ? But he uses it in here :  http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/679/7 .

Doesnt show it's something linked to the rinnegan.
 

I agree that it's complicated however if you notice in here http://i5.mangareade...uto-4920299.jpg
The sword appears to be from  Naruto's Left side .And in here http://i18.mangaread...uto-4920303.jpg The sword and Madara appears to be from Naruto's Right side while Sasuke is coming from Naruto's Left side were the sword previously was . So to me it seems like  Sasuke swapped places with his sword and Madara was on his original side which appears to be the Right side of Naruto's. Not to mention that its impossible for him to look and move two objects from two different sides at the same time and all of that with only one eye  for that short amount of time , Madara was just seconds before striking him .

I adressed that but if it was a mere "swap" then why the hell Madara is on the ground with Sasuke's sword on the chest.
Sasuke's sword was landed on the rock, and Madara was on the air.
If he just "swapped" positions then Madara would not had stayed on the ground with a sword on his chest.
 

As for what it is imo its Flash Step with some dematerialization ability like @James said or some kind of Space Time binding thing , as for Izanagi i don't think so because Izanagi is an illusion changing ones reality into an illusion i would say dematerialization fits more then anything in here  besides how would Izanagi fit in here ?

Izanagi wasnt explained very well, it's not just a genjutsu because genjutsu can be coutered, he just change the reality, by swapping his position with the sword and making it land on Madara's chest, while he was on the air.
 

I explained this above their position were different and Sasuke appeared from the side were the sword was while Madara and the sword were on the other side presumably Madara's and Sasuke's original side .

It's inconclusive it's certainly more than just swapping places.
 

I  wasn't arguing that to me it seems like he can move one object at the time in here it was Madara instead of the sword and i never said that what he did was teleporting  its either Flash Step or some Binding Space&Time ability like i said above

I thought it was some kind of blink but after looking at what flash step means, now i understand but i dont think it's linked to his rinnegan.
 

To me it seems like its both realizing that Madara is out of range and then preparing to Flash Step either way its not a speed that comes from his body but from the Rinengan  .  Like i said explain his speed to me as well as why he didn't use it against Madara  when Sakura attacked if it wasn't due to the Rinengan ? But he uses it in here :  http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/679/7 .

 It doesnt show it's linked to the rinnegan, the fact you said "he uses it here", it's a suposition that you made yourself.
Naruto and Sasuke received chakra from Hagoromo, he didnt just got some special power, also Kabuto give him a quite of power by giving him, Senju cells and Hashirama by giving chakra we have yet to see the effects of it.
Sasuke didnt just got a rinnegan.
The chakra affected both Naruto and Sasuke and Naruto got faster aswell but for some reason he's not "Flash stepping" as show here "http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/673/4".
 

1. How was that not speed for crying out loud ? Its not like he casually walked to her to catch her , the Kagebunshin has nothing to with him catching Sakura after she got hit and was sent flying of again look at Naruto's movement he was behind her and he managed to catch her at that short distance an that's speed . Why are you diminishing this ?

Reflex, reaction time.
i'm not diminishing speed on the manga is inconclusive we cant say they are matched in terms of speed or that one is faster than the other, i've seen Naruto being slower as "10 10" and faster than the raikage.
 

2.
Was it half way we may never know but it doesn't change the fact that when he caught her he was in his Base not in SM so from this the advantage is on Base Naruto . If Kishi wanted for Naruto to save her in SM he would have done it in the first place and then make him lose his SM but that wasn't the case.

I changed that i didnt talked about sage mode on that specific moment but tells much about how that moment was presented if he was supposed to be that faster he would have won against a blinded Sasuke when they clashed on the summit like he did against the Third Raikage and his hellbringer.
 

So judging from this Base Naruto equals Base Sasuke at speed .

My opinion it is inconclusive and extremely relative.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 June 2014 - 12:41 AM.

[Shadow1275]

 

No you don't understand ! It's proving canonically that Hinata will be the reincarnation of Hamura !!

 

 

 

 

(I'm actually seeing that everywhere on the web so... people really actually believe this...)