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I'm in a better mood today so to be fair. Boruto is likely an above average selling manga that might bring in some money. But the problem is, that's not what the companies wanted. They wanted Naruto numbers which is still one of the biggest manga in the world. So, its a failure, it is at best a disappointment.

 

The two bits that stood out to me were the digital sales, and we shouldn't compare Naruto-Boruto to Dragon Ball.

 

So, the guy tried to say that the sales were fine because they really all went to digital and those numbers are good. But didn't show these new numbers just leaving people with the impression they must be good. Just trust the Youtuber, Bro. When it wouldn't be at hard to show them. 30% is physical? Ok that is X. 3X+1/3X=the total*. Which the average being 100,000 is 333,334 or 330,000 to what I rounded it up. Now that's a decent number for a manga, but nowhere near Naruto's numbers in its prime. Also, digital sales percentage has not been 70% throughout Boruto's entire run. As digital sales had reached that level either this or last year. He doesn't go through and try to show how digital rise matches Boruto physical number's decline. Which it doesn't. Boruto just declined till it hit around 100,000 and was around that level for years. If he was right, that wouldn't be the case.

 

* 30% is the known 70% is missing and we are looking for the total. 70 is 2 30% and then a 10% left over. 10% would be a third of 30%. So 30%+30%+1/3X30%=70 then for total 30%+30%+30%+1/3X30%=100%. Of 3x+1/3X=Y.

 

10 years ago, Naruto was the closest IP Dragon Ball had to a peer in terms of sales. If someone were to say, 'that in certain years Naruto had even beat Dragon Ball in sales,' most people would find that believable. Now a days, that is consider completely absurd, apparently. What happened in the past ten years that caused such a shift? Well, for Dragon Ball, Toriyama got so embarrassed by Dragon Ball Evolution that he got himself involved in the IP again and revitalized it. For Naruto, a bad ending and a worse sequel. "But, no no no Naruto-Boruto is completely fine apparently." While all its contemporaries' sales have completely eclipse it, when it was once the King of International Sales.

 

Edit: Also, again overall notion of "its a sequel don't hold it up to the same standard of the original." The companies knew that sequel tend to perform worse than the original. That why when they were selling Boruto to the audience they were making it was to be seen as a continuation of Naruto; its Part Three. Also, they tried to make sure it was seen as continuous by doing such things as keeping the Naruto anime going till they were ready to switch over to Boruto. Having a movie to promote it. Finally releasing the manga about a year after the original ended. 

I do wonder if people would even CARE if Kishimoto got back on board after what he did. I imagine he would not be trusted with the IP if he did considering that even if he revitalized it, he still has what he did before over his head and how fans remembered that when it came to Samurai 7 and how it tanked hard because of it.

At least in terms of Dragon Ball Evolution, even if it tanked, Dragon Ball had been done for the most part with the ending to GT and Toriyama moving on before he decided to come back after that. The damage Naruto has gotten from its ending and what Boruto as a series has done to it... only for it to blow up in their faces because they don't want to admit they shot themselves in the foot, both Studio Pierrot, and Kishimoto's editors, when they didn't allow Kishimoto to tell the story he wanted and also taking advantage of his grieving over his dad's passing and not having time to properly process it all.

Well, before even watching it remember that Boruto will always be a disappointment because the companies that signed off on it were promised a return to Naruto's high selling glory days. What they got instead is at best a middling/above average/below average for WSJ manga, with an anime with OK sales, and most of the money was made from licensing distribution out to other countries because it was the sequel to Naruto. It would have been cancelled long ago if it was an original IP, but it survives because its a sequel to Naruto that brings in just enough money to not cancel it.
 
That said its clear they are not happy with it. The anime is still off the air and they never finished part one. While they clearly ordered Ikemoto to wrap up part one, as the manga would still be there with his pacing otherwise, and he clearly been order to pick up the pace in part two. Which I have seen people notice how bad the story is in part two because it isn't dragged out. Where before, they convince themselves it must be leading to something.
 
So, any one who goes, "its OK," to defend it. Can be answered by "they didn't want, 'its OK.' The companies wanted at the least Naruto's sales figures to continue with Boruto."
 
If the video is above digital sales vs physical sales. It is hard to often figure out how much digital sales are worth because most companies are reluctant to release their digital sales data. So physical sales are a good aggregate. For example, lets say physical sales are 90% and digital are 10%. So if 90 books sold physically then 10 were sold digitally; so 100 books were sold overall. Its the same reason people like to use Steam to show if a game is doing well or not. While not all people buy all their games on Steam enough do that it is seen as a good way to check.
 
Dear lord that avatar is ugly. Looks like a mix between a JoJo's stand and an Otsutsuki...So, it actually looks like it fits in Boruto. Naruto Explained, well that means the continuation of interest in Naruto-Boruto is important to the continuation of his channel and any money he may receive from it.
 
So the guy starts out with the volumes sales. I just want to point out there is more to Boruto's volume sales than just is volume sales. As its important to remember Naruto's volume sales which average at what 2.1 million, but barely got 800,000 for it final volume its first week. Then Salad's gaiden had about 620,000. Then finally Boruto's started around 400,000 that declined till it eventually leveled out to around 100,000. If 100,000.is good for most manga that's nice, but the company are looking at how far the IP has fallen. Which reminds me if he tries to say something like, "as a sequel its ok on its own or something." Boruto was intended to be a continuation of both the IP and Naruto's story through his son. Like DragonBall Z is to Dragonball. Which is why one has to look at Naruto's sales as well. As they again, wanted those to continue with Boruto. To ignore Naruto and treat it as it own thing is admitting it is a failure.
 
He ask if it so unpopular why is it still ongoing? Legacy of Naruto still means it makes money through distribution rights, and from what I recall when Kodaichi was fired they are under contract. They were given a contract to write a certain amount of chapters I think it was 60. When they hit that mark Ikemoto's contract was renewed his wasn't. It also what I suspect happened with the end of part one and the pacing of part two. They refused to extend Ikemoto's contract again when they didn't see improvements they desired. So he has the remaining chapters to finish his manga; which is about 40 chapters.
 
So he brings up that physical sales is outdate. Like I said an aggregate. So digital manga according to him makes up about 70% of sales in Japan. Let's see, if Boruto's 100,000 is 30%, Digital's 70% is around 230,000, and so total would be about 330,000 volume sales in Japan...Ok. Even that was the case for Boruto, that is again still far less than Naruto had in its prime. If physical sales were 1%, then it would be getting to where the company wanted its sales to be.
 
Also, Boruto's sales charts do not have a gradual decline that goes along with the rise of Digital sales. It falls till its sales stabilize around 100,000 and was around that for years. When it should continue to go down as more people buy it digitally.
 
You know, he brings up digital sales took off in 2014. Just proving that Naruto had the worse time to end. As it ended before streaming revitalized western interest in anime (so when Boruto started it had to face competition), right as digital manga took off, and continuous anime became outdated (which Boruto one of the last greenlit.) Boruto really comes off as a relic from a bygone era. An era that ended around the ending of Naruto.
 
So Boruto sells around 400,000 each year according to him.
 
Ah he brought up the sequel excuse...already covered that. They wanted it to be a continuation not just a random spin off sequel.
 
"We shouldn't compare Dragon Ball and Dragon Super success to Naruto." Wasn't Naruto once one of the top three selling manga ever at one point and was consider a peer to DragonBall? Now we shouldn't think of putting them in the same topic much less comparing them? How far has it fallen. What ever could cause such a fall? Maybe a bad ending and a sequel most people do not like for the past ten years? Hm. Maybe it could have maintain its position with a good ending and a good sequel. A possibility maybe?
 
Similar sequels to justify Boruto's low sales. Haven't read the Seven sin sequel so can't say. Fairy Tail 100 to be honest I kind of forget that still ongoing sometimes, also I don't think it help that the anime only started this year. Rurouni Kenshin Hokkaido...wasn't that put on hold for a few years due to the mangaka being arrested? I think that would affect the sales numbers. Also, it was made about 20 years after the original manga compared to 1 year for Boruto. The Inuyasha sequel which again came out years after the original's ending.
 
Ah the Boruto movie is strong...http://www.narusaku....showtopic=16678 For its time, sure. Afterwards, all its contemporaries eclipse it.
 
Now time to blame Naruto's volume count for why people aren't reading Boruto. Wait. Wait I thought Boruto was successful people were just saying it wasn't. Why the change?
 
It the best selling manga in V-Jump! Well seeing as Super ended due to the Death of Toriyama, yes. But it was once In WSJ before it was moved to V-Jump. So, it like a loser in a major leagues moved to the minor and got second place. Not as impressive as it sounds.
 
One Piece always seems to have problems with games. While Naruto once had a successful game franchise in Storm. How was the last one Connection everyone?

yeah true but like i said the replacement isn't better than what was removed

https://x.com/kreuz8...332782362783987

I also saw this on Twitter, and it brings up a valid point about why Boruto as a series sucks in terms of being a sequel.

 

No Bryon, MHA didn't suffer the same fate as Naruto. The only reason why people assumed that because shipping fans were pissed off of the fact that Izuku didn't hook up with Ochaco (by ignoring hints, placements and BTS stuff on the reasons why they didn't happen) and the finale parts were rushed for "certain reasons that were beyond Horikoshi's control". MHA's saving grace was the themes of its story was still in place, unlike Naruto's.

I know, I just meant in being rushed is all I meant, Derock. Not in anything else, but it looks like the tankubon is gonna fix that!