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[RidiculouslyBored]

I was considering checking out this new manga of his but I don't trust him anymore and NS not being canon is just the tip of the iceberg as it pertains to my issues with him. I honestly believe Yahagi was the true mastermind behind the series and that he was just along for the ride (and the profits). It's no coincidence that the manga takes a noticeable dip in quality and consistency with regard to the plot and characterization after the time of his reported departure (The Itachi ordeal, iirc).

Edited by RidiculouslyBored, 30 December 2017 - 01:11 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 December 2017 - 01:58 AM.

[DrK]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping.

Without Hinata, there is the possibility of having more Team 7 stuff. Because Sakura would still act like Sakura, and could interact with both Sasuke and Naruto as the real Sakura. Naruto would actually talk to and still care about Sakura. And Sasuke would not be hampered by SS. Karin would just be there on the sidelines and he would interact with Sakura and Naruto like old times instead of the pathetic spectacle that was Naruto Gaiden. So it would be totally different. It's impossible to say if it would be good. But it would definitely be less bad.

[RidiculouslyBored]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

I love IchiHime but Bleach had a terrible ending. If NaruSaku had been been the canon end pairing and the events happened as they are currently post 700, I would feel the same way about Naruto. I have never seen a character undergo such character assassination as I have Naruto Uzumaki. They have completely discarded everything that he was founded upon for the sake of having some kind of conflict and tension. There are better ways to drum up drama than to completely warp such a beloved character. Their reasons are plausible but appalling. The ostracized orphan who sought nothing more than to be seen and acknowledged growing up is a terrible father? Are you kidding me? I'd believe Naruto being a subpar Hokage before workaholic father with a strained relationship with his son. I don't even want to get started on Burrito, Salad, Chocolate, and the rest of the Lunch Conglomerate. I'm tempted to just start ranting but I don't want to go into 2018 angry.

[The Tax-Man]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

 

Let's pretend that this happened. Let's not even change the names of the snack gallery kids. As you already pointed out, Naruto's character assassination would make even less sense than it does now, and the children would have to have had some major early childhood issues to turn out the way they did. But the plot itself? It would become downright nonsensical (and let's not even go into how much of a terrible…everything Naruto is at this point). How many of us here would stick around other than maybe following along for curiosity's sake?

 

The point I'm trying to make is that not many would like it much more than they do now. Sure, there are some who would be happy since, apparently, the ships were their only beef with the ending and everything since then. But even when we were in the War arc and nearing the inevitable end (with the endless powerups, villains materializing out of thin air, things being pulled outta Kishimoto's ass left and right…you get what I'm saying), I saw plenty of discontent with how the plot seemed to be getting more and more unpredictable in the sense that anything could happen for no good reason. I know I was getting plenty tired of how major plot points were being dropped or handwaved away in favor of some Dragon Ball 3.0 level BS, and by the end, I was mostly just sticking it out to see if things would properly be resolved. Obviously, things were not. Resolved. They were the opposite of resolved. Nothing was resolved in any meaningful way, and there was zero substantial change in the setting itself. After all of that, it would have taken masterful planning and writing to get things back on track. Failing that, there was never really any hope for this universe. I suppose my answer is that no, I wouldn't stick around and I doubt many who took the story seriously would.

 

(Funny that I'm back and the first thing I do is b*tch and moan about that ending and the dumpster fire that the Naruto universe has become. Yeah. Good times.)

Edited by The Tax-Man, 30 December 2017 - 05:53 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

When is the jump Festa? Now would be the time to throw in your wager if Kishi attends. The interviews wilbring up the topics related pairings and why NS never happened. Last year he said he never had time to do a love triangle between NaruSakuhina. I wonder what will his wander be this time around if they do a repeat?

[Phantom_999]

Without Hinata, there is the possibility of having more Team 7 stuff. Because Sakura would still act like Sakura, and could interact with both Sasuke and Naruto as the real Sakura. Naruto would actually talk to and still care about Sakura. And Sasuke would not be hampered by SS. Karin would just be there on the sidelines and he would interact with Sakura and Naruto like old times instead of the pathetic spectacle that was Naruto Gaiden. So it would be totally different. It's impossible to say if it would be good. But it would definitely be less bad.

 

Oh Yeah definitely. I'' know for a FACT that the ending would have been BETTER without all the Hinata wanking.I'm emrely asking of NAruto maried Sakura but the ideas stillb ecome the same thing with Naruto being a $$!%%y father, Boruto a whiny self entitled brat and genrally all the problems that existed in Boruto turn out the same even if Naruto married Sakura wiould you hate the ending still? Again I'm asking this to bring up the difference between being a fan of the story and being shipping fan.

[rocci]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

Honestly? I will not despise the manga as much like now. I might read or rather watch burito anime simply because of pure amusement. But I will not blind to the criticism the series will get. I think bias will play in the mind of most NS fan. So I don't think pro ender is wrong that most NS fan will do what pro ender did if NS happen.


Now story wise I don't think it can happen exactly like current burito for once I don't think there will be burito daddy issue with sakura as the mother and I think he will be much more closer to naruto. Salad will be make sense who her mother is based on her apperance.
Sakura will play more important role than her curent and Hinata role combine. Burito apperance will be make sense with how there's no byakugan.

But I doubt orochimaru redemption and ninja modernization will change.

[Phantom_999]

But again that its the difference I'm talking about. Are you a fan of the Story or are you a shipping fan? I know that even if Naruto married Sakura and the ending was still the same kitten it is now I wouldn't support it at all because  the story is ruined regardless of pairings. But of course this is all ignoring that Boruto is kitten as a byproduct of " The Last" happening in the first place.
 
However Boruto will still be a kitten manga because consequently for Boruto's premise to even happen Naruto is STILL supposed to fail as as "Jesus" to end all conflict for the story to even function. So I believe that the golden ending would be for Naruto to endat 700 with Marrying Sakura and ending the world conflict. If there WERE to be a sequel it would have to involve conflict with things outside of the setting

Just like How Dragon Ball Z started. Goku became the Strongest man in the world so he had to fight stronger enemies outside of earth

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 December 2017 - 05:10 AM.

[FireFox]

 

Oh Yeah definitely. I'' know for a FACT that the ending would have been BETTER without all the Hinata wanking.I'm emrely asking of NAruto maried Sakura but the ideas stillb ecome the same thing with Naruto being a $$!%%y father, Boruto a whiny self entitled brat and genrally all the problems that existed in Boruto turn out the same even if Naruto married Sakura wiould you hate the ending still? Again I'm asking this to bring up the difference between being a fan of the story and being shipping fan.

I don't know about the others but I've said this way before the kittening ending I argued it strongly, I wanted a proper NS done and most of all I wanted a proper resolution to the story and its themes. It was all falling apart as the war arc was going on but the ending point for me was Sasuke's appearance and everything revolving around him, especially how every character just took a dump in his divine presence and most of all "The Coolest Guy Ever!!!" . I just couldn't past by it at that point I was just reading it for the sake of seeing if the ending would at least try to make some sense out of all of this crap and if NS was gonna get the proper ending that's it, but I still wouldn't have liked the overall story it was just that badly written. I wouldn't have accepted a halfarsed NS especially after the KS arc those issues needed to be resolved properly and I would have been the first to disapprove it here no matter what. 

 

As for what could have been even if NS was cannon by the end, well its hard to tell but at least I think we can safely say that the characters wouldn't be OOC as there would have been no need for all this drama kitten we're seeing now. But still as @rocci said if the Orochimaru and the modernization crap still remain then I don't care what anyone thinks but I'll kitten on it first, that's not what I signed for that's not what I read its still the most despicable betrayal of any story ever written, I don't like eating crap when its served to me I don't stand for that kitten and I don't think anyone else should paring fans or not.     

Edited by FireFox, 30 December 2017 - 04:56 PM.

[T XD]

I won't like how the current Boruto story is if NS happened. Definitely not. I won't watch nor read the story. It's boring and repetitive on a high level. At max, I would read the latest chapter from time to time.

[Yyubie]

I wonder what is Boruto goal or dream ... does anyone know ?? . We all know Naruto dream is , to be acknowledge by the villager , to become a hokage , and to win the love of his dream girl Sakura. But what is Boruto dream ?? i still don't know his purpose or goal in his life , as far as i know he only wants the attention from his beloved daddy. In my opinion Boruto is aimless , he has no goal or purpose , he is a lost lamb.

[Kagomaru]

I wonder what is Boruto goal or dream ... does anyone know ?? . We all know Naruto dream is , to be acknowledge by the villager , to become a hokage , and to win the love of his dream girl Sakura. But what is Boruto dream ?? i still don't know his purpose or goal in his life , as far as i know he only wants the attention from his beloved daddy. In my opinion Boruto is aimless , he has no goal or purpose , he is a lost lamb.

To be the personal assassin of the Hokage, apparently.  At least, if his goal to emulate Sasuke in every regard is anything to go by. Otherwise, his aspirations are unclear and possibly non-existent.   

[Phantom_999]

And to get platonic approval from Salad and be her body guard, then marry Suminata!!!!!

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 December 2017 - 03:59 PM.

[rocci]

And to bet platonic approval from Salad and be her body guard, then marry Suminata!!!!!

I hope they have that kind of consistency.

[James S Cassidy]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

You really can't answer this question correctly because you are asking basically "if Sakura and Hinata switched places..." The answer...well, I wouldn't be a NS fan if that was the case. If the story had it where Naruto was in love with Hinata the whole time and then changed him to be with Sakura because Sakura had this huge crush on Naruto and was a stalker that doesn't do anything...then why would I support that.

"What if NS was written as NH was in the story?"

Simple answer, I wouldn't be an NS fan then because I wouldn't be supporting that pairing. I would be supporting NH because that is what the story supported. Also, Hinata and Sakura would also switched personalities.  My support for a pairing to happen was based on the story. Not because I like NS no matter how good or bad it is. If the story changed, then my views would change. It is as simple as that.

To make NS like NH is now, you have to change Hinata and Sakura as characters to where Hinata was the down to earth, caring, and real girl and Sakua was the stalker, shy, useless girl who cared more for her love for Naruto than anyone else. Of course, that would mean that Hinata would end up with Sasuke because the present NH pro-enders would turn into NS pro-enders and we would be NH anti-enders instead. You can't think of this any other way and I think this proves that myself am not a pairing fan so much as I am a story fan and that the pairing a chose is because of the story and not because of shipping favoritism. Remember, I used to be a NH fan myself until I read the story more and really looked into it.

Now, considering linear proportion and relativity, if Kishimoto written the story well...then yes I would support NS still because NS has basically become the "If Kishimoto was actually a good writer, he would have made NS canon and finished the aspect of all the other plots." The whole fact that everything else stopped because NH needed more development and focus so as to "explain" their canocity is the whole problem to begin with. Everything changed becuase NH had to be canon. I will die saying this to the end. "All the problems with the story was a bi-product of forcing the plot to revolve around NH and Hinata's obsession." Everything can be explained by "Well, in order to give Hinata the spotlight, we have to do this to this character."

I loved Sakura and Naruto because of the characters they were and not because of what I thought they were. It would be the same thing if I switched Naruto with Sasuke and I would probably love Sasuke more and still ahte the fact that he obsesses over Naruto.

It's not the pairing itself...it is the story that was written around them...THAT'S the pairing I support.
 

 

I wonder what is Boruto goal or dream ... does anyone know ?? . We all know Naruto dream is , to be acknowledge by the villager , to become a hokage , and to win the love of his dream girl Sakura. But what is Boruto dream ?? i still don't know his purpose or goal in his life , as far as i know he only wants the attention from his beloved daddy. In my opinion Boruto is aimless , he has no goal or purpose , he is a lost lamb.

Apparently his dream is to marry a girl he has no connections with all because she "lurves him," have kids and abandon them for 15+ years, drift all over the place and never write home, and be one of the most modern emo kids in the 21st century.

You know....Sasuke. He wants to be Sasuke.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 31 December 2017 - 08:57 PM.

[RulesofNature]

I have a serious question to ask guys. In all seriousness if Naruto married Sakura and the plot happened the same as it does now with the new era project and Boruto, except that Sakura is the mother would you STILL hate this series? Now I know that that obviously plot wise Sakura would not be this passive doormat that lets Naruto stay in office,or would permit their children to become spoiled entitled brats like Hinata does, but for the sake of argument, that it does work out the same way. Would you hate this story or stick by it just because NaruSaku became canon? I have a point with this. That is, the difference between being a fan of the story or a fan of the shipping. I want to DISPROVE what the pro-enders say about us on how we would be eating this "garbage heap" like it was candy if NaruSaku happened

 

No. Just no.

 

I was willing to walk away and accept NaruHina because, with how the War arc turned out, it seemed perfectly in-line with the low-level writing the series has devolved into. I was just done with the series at that point, finishing it because I had followed it for so long and could see the light at the end of the (unnecessarily long and convoluted) tunnel. I was willing to accept the ending and be done with ti.

 

That is, until I started seeing stuff everywhere about how Naruto became a bad father. Then I heard about how they had Naruto say he only chased after Sakura to compete with Sasuke and always loved Hinata despite him not realizing it. At that point I just went "Please spare me. This doesn't mean that Naruto's bond with Hinata is strong, it just means that his obsession with Sasuke was stronger than I thought. How are those two not freaking married?" And then I saw all the stuff about how the Naruto failed to reform the world.

 

So I began investigating as well as reflecting on the manga. Suddenly the ending which I was going to accept was horrible, just horrible. NaruHina is only part of what went wrong. The complete desecration of Naruto Uzumaki, a character I identified with on some level since I was 13, that's the issue here.

[RidiculouslyBored]

The real question is, how different would the story and/or characters have turned out had NaruSaku been one of the final outcomes as far as pairings were concerned? Fan works and various interpretations are interesting but I'm talking based solely on the source material (manga).

Who does Hinata end up with if Naruto had married Sakura (Lee is the best choice here imo, not Kiba)? Does Sasuke just use Karin as a broodmare to revive his clan or is there an actual chance for a relationship there? With Sakura as a spouse, how does Naruto's relationship with his family stand, especially if he has to balance his duties as Hokage?

I need to quit obsessing over this 😳

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The real question is, how different would the story and/or characters have turned out had NaruSaku been one of the final outcomes as far as pairings were concerned? Fan works and various interpretations are interesting but I'm talking based solely on the source material (manga).

Who does Hinata end up with if Naruto had married Sakura (Lee is the best choice here imo, not Kiba)? Does Sasuke just use Karin as a broodmare to revive his clan or is there an actual chance for a relationship there? With Sakura as a spouse, how does Naruto's relationship with his family stand, especially if he has to balance his duties as Hokage?

I need to quit obsessing over this

 

Welcome to the club, dude. I often wonder how things could have been. Just because Kishimoto is "God", doesn't mean we can't question just what his thinking if any was.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The real question is, how different would the story and/or characters have turned out had NaruSaku been one of the final outcomes as far as pairings were concerned? Fan works and various interpretations are interesting but I'm talking based solely on the source material (manga).

Who does Hinata end up with if Naruto had married Sakura (Lee is the best choice here imo, not Kiba)? Does Sasuke just use Karin as a broodmare to revive his clan or is there an actual chance for a relationship there? With Sakura as a spouse, how does Naruto's relationship with his family stand, especially if he has to balance his duties as Hokage?

I need to quit obsessing over this

The real question is why does Hinata have to end up with anyone? excluding The Last she's less of a character then Lee is and last i checked he hadn't been a victim of "pair the spares." yet.