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#28681 Phantom_999

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Posted 21 April 2020 - 05:53 PM

Should share this,  

 

Did a podcast with JamesSCassidy,  BlueStarSaber, Steve, Chatte, MangaReader, and Nostradamus (who's joining for the first time) on our beloved film Road to Ninja and why it's a masterpiece:

 

 

It is definitely so.  My only gripe with it though is how immature petty and childish Naruto and Sakura were acting at the beginning which I felt was a bit out of character for them. Sure  it was obviously to drive the plot forward but still I found a bit of dissatisfaction watching them behave like a couple of brats even if the lesson was to appreciate what they DID have


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Posted 21 April 2020 - 06:10 PM

 

It is definitely so.  My only gripe with it though is how immature petty and childish Naruto and Sakura were acting at the beginning which I felt was a bit out of character for them. Sure  it was obviously to drive the plot forward but still I found a bit of dissatisfaction watching them behave like a couple of brats even if the lesson was to appreciate what they DID have

I did too, but like I said, it kind of felt like Kishimoto was doing 700+ chapter character development in the span of a almost 2 hour movie


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Posted 21 April 2020 - 06:11 PM

True enough


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Posted 24 April 2020 - 01:17 PM

Should share this,  

 

Did a podcast with JamesSCassidy,  BlueStarSaber, Steve, Chatte, MangaReader, and Nostradamus (who's joining for the first time) on our beloved film Road to Ninja and why it's a masterpiece:

 

Time to listen to my horrible voice. :D

 

You know what funny? This site is one the most active manga/anime forum after Naruto and Bleach ended. How Ironic that this site was dedicated to NS. I go to my old forum sites such as OneManga it it like ghost town. The only site I cannot gauge how much members are active is the original Narutoforums. I wonder if its debatable? 

 

Kudos to all of us still being still clustered here with the years gone by.

We formed a family here. And I do have to say I love you all. :love: You guys and girls are awesome.

Love you all. (Not in that way. :chuckle: , get your mind out of the gutter :D )

 

After all these years we remained here together. And I do have to say you guys and girls uplifted me when I was down. And for that, I thank you. Hope that I did the same for you.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 01:57 AM

Hmm, Shippuden is trending on Twitter.  Did the episode last night cause that much of a stir?



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Posted 27 April 2020 - 04:58 AM

Hmm, Shippuden is trending on Twitter.  Did the episode last night cause that much of a stir?

 

A good question... I don't even follow the dub on Toonami so I have no idea what the hell is going on...



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Posted 27 April 2020 - 07:34 AM

Hmm, Shippuden is trending on Twitter.  Did the episode last night cause that much of a stir?

Isn't suppose to be on the Chikara arc. You know the NS movie arc...Yes, https://naruto.fando...wer_-_Episode_2

 

What causing a stir? What are they talking about? Context? How about some quotes?

 

"The reborn Team Kakashi continues to investigate the recent attack by Kabuto and the reincarnated shinobi when Naruto gets swallowed by a giant snake, but manages to escape using shadow clones, and accidentally ingests snakes that were present in the pond which Kabuto uses to summon Hidan. When Naruto surfaced, Kabuto retreats and leaves with his puppets, using Deidara as diversion, after revealing a village guard corpse in the snake's mouth. Meanwhile, Dokku takes care of the orphans, while Miina, due to trauma, became mute. After the attack, Naruto and Sakura join up with Shiseru, Yamato and Sai going with the rest of the guards. While Yamato and Sai investigate why Kabuto destroyed the village, Sakura and Naruto follow Shiseru to Dokku's house. When Dokku and the orphans see them and seeing Naruto wearing the same forehead protector as the reincarnated shinobi, Leo kicks Naruto and they run until they reach a broken bridge. Leo crosses first and when Dokku and Miina run, they fall down the ravine, but are saved by Naruto. Yamato and Sai ask about information when the nearby village leader showed them a book revealing the origin of The Hole, where the Tonika Village resides. Some power resided on the hole many centuries ago. Naruto dreams again, this time inside his subconscious, in front of the Nine-Tails' cage, showing his feet oozing with the snakes he ingested earlier. Naruto and Dokku talk about Dokku's failure to save a girl in his prime and all his failures in life, unlike Naruto, who became famous even in the Hachō Village, a rural area. Yamato and Sai discuss what will happen next, including "Saezuri" and an institution that will take care of the orphans. Kabuto, along with Hidan and Deidara, converse using scrolls in a graveyard, before putting another talisman in Deidara's head."


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Posted 28 April 2020 - 07:24 PM

You know watching Linkara's review of Spiderman Sins Past, and it got me thinking how a writer should do something better to knock down Hinata from her pedestal that her fans have built her up around. I mean to try it should be done a lot better than what was done with Gwen Stacy.

 

I mean, I think we all know this would need to happen and show Hinata is not the goddess her fans say she is.



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Posted 29 April 2020 - 12:28 AM

You know watching Linkara's review of Spiderman Sins Past, and it got me thinking how a writer should do something better to knock down Hinata from her pedestal that her fans have built her up around. I mean to try it should be done a lot better than what was done with Gwen Stacy.

 

I mean, I think we all know this would need to happen and show Hinata is not the goddess her fans say she is.

If they actually tackled Hinata as a character, it would be dark. Think about it.

 

1) Her big moments with Naruto all center around being with him when she doesn't think he'll have a chance to win. It all ties into her view that Naruto is a proud loser, something she uses to encourage HERSELF. In essence, she's putting her husband down to make herself feel better rather than being there with him.

 

2) She's possessive enough to get jealous of a scarf knitted by the mother Naruto never knew. Considering how Naruto drifted away from all his friends, something may be up.

 

3) Her parenting of Boruto. That she knows Boruto is upset but doesn't want to trouble her husband with something she views as trivial. Her son, that she gave birth to, is upset and that's considered trivial to her. Not to mention, she's acting like she's protecting Naruto with this, meaning she figures he can't even look after his own kid.

 

Addressing Hinata would be like a psychological horror film.


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Posted 29 April 2020 - 03:50 AM

You know watching Linkara's review of Spiderman Sins Past, and it got me thinking how a writer should do something better to knock down Hinata from her pedestal that her fans have built her up around. I mean to try it should be done a lot better than what was done with Gwen Stacy.
 
I mean, I think we all know this would need to happen and show Hinata is not the goddess her fans say she is.

Agreed that needs to happen to hinata knock her off that pedestal her fans put her up on.
Just not the sleeping with thing Gwen did with Norman which is already messed up.

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Posted 30 April 2020 - 01:21 AM

Agreed that needs to happen to hinata knock her off that pedestal her fans put her up on.
Just not the sleeping with thing Gwen did with Norman which is already messed up.


Yeah. But she does need to be knocked down a few pegs in the so called canon

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Posted 30 April 2020 - 01:33 AM

Yeah. But she does need to be knocked down a few pegs in the so called canon


I say a lot of pegs actually

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Posted 01 May 2020 - 05:58 AM

There ARE NO pegs to knock down regarding her. Remember, the pedestal she was put on does not exist except in her worshipers minds :yes: there's nothing to be done to change those loonies' views of her, what should have been done is that the story plays out as it originally intended and ignore the opinions of any one that opposes that vision because honestly trying to make vocal, insatiable fans happy is impossible so just write it the way it is meant to be written. Hinata was never an important character to the narrative to begin with, so there is no need to reduce her plot relevance, because she has none. I've said this countless times, Hinata was just a fan girl of Naruto to make up for the fact he had no one else gushing and blushing over him since their entire age group of girls were drooling over Sasuke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Posted 01 May 2020 - 02:47 PM

You're right Phantom, but I do have to add she doesn't even have any plot relevance, at best she's a plot device used from time to time for someone else's benefit. She was used to create/introduce a conflict between Naruto and Neji, then she was used for Naruto to meet his dad by her dying in front of him and him unleashing the Kyuubi, you can also say she was used to show that Sakura has confidence in Naruto and knows him better than anyone, but that's just me :D .

 

Also apparently no one loves me after my previous post. :cry:

Fine you're not my family anymore. :lol:


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 02 May 2020 - 01:31 AM

You're right Phantom, but I do have to add she doesn't even have any plot relevance, at best she's a plot device used from time to time for someone else's benefit. She was used to create/introduce a conflict between Naruto and Neji, then she was used for Naruto to meet his dad by her dying in front of him and him unleashing the Kyuubi, you can also say she was used to show that Sakura has confidence in Naruto and knows him better than anyone, but that's just me :D .
 
Also apparently no one loves me after my previous post. :cry:
Fine you're not my family anymore. :lol:

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Posted 02 May 2020 - 10:26 AM

You're right Phantom, but I do have to add she doesn't even have any plot relevance, at best she's a plot device used from time to time for someone else's benefit. She was used to create/introduce a conflict between Naruto and Neji, then she was used for Naruto to meet his dad by her dying in front of him and him unleashing the Kyuubi, you can also say she was used to show that Sakura has confidence in Naruto and knows him better than anyone, but that's just me :D .

 

Also apparently no one loves me after my previous post. :cry:

Fine you're not my family anymore. :lol:

 

We are family here.  :D Need a hug? :hug:


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Posted 02 May 2020 - 03:03 PM

 

We are family here.  :D Need a hug? :hug:

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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 02 May 2020 - 08:53 PM

Lol, maybe Phantom, but I still think that it needs to happen, and there are so many ways that you can do it, and I would keep doing it until the NH/Hinata fandom gets it that Hinata is not all they think she's all cracked up to be. I mean, we all know how Hinata's fans are, they too blinded by the girl as they see that Hinata can do nothing wrong.

 

I know of some that can work showing how selfish Hinata is, and how she also uses Naruto.

 

1: We see something from the past, mainly Naruto's childhood at Five, and he gets beaten almost to death while Hinata is watching and not doing a thing. But add on to it that others like Choji Shikamaru Sakura hell even Ino see this and want to help, but Hinata sees this and tells her father. Who later tells their parents who tell the kids to stay away from the demon child.

 

2: Hinata gets a bunch of kids killed because she thinks Naruto was going to die.

 

That's all I have right now but again so many things you can do.



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Posted 03 May 2020 - 12:20 AM

Lol, maybe Phantom, but I still think that it needs to happen, and there are so many ways that you can do it, and I would keep doing it until the NH/Hinata fandom gets it that Hinata is not all they think she's all cracked up to be. I mean, we all know how Hinata's fans are, they too blinded by the girl as they see that Hinata can do nothing wrong.
 
I know of some that can work showing how selfish Hinata is, and how she also uses Naruto.
 
1: We see something from the past, mainly Naruto's childhood at Five, and he gets beaten almost to death while Hinata is watching and not doing a thing. But add on to it that others like Choji Shikamaru Sakura hell even Ino see this and want to help, but Hinata sees this and tells her father. Who later tells their parents who tell the kids to stay away from the demon child.
 
2: Hinata gets a bunch of kids killed because she thinks Naruto was going to die.
 
That's all I have right now but again so many things you can do.

Sounds cool maybe add those to your stories.

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Posted 03 May 2020 - 09:17 AM



Lol, maybe Phantom, but I still think that it needs to happen, and there are so many ways that you can do it, and I would keep doing it until the NH/Hinata fandom gets it that Hinata is not all they think she's all cracked up to be. I mean, we all know how Hinata's fans are, they too blinded by the girl as they see that Hinata can do nothing wrong.

 

I know of some that can work showing how selfish Hinata is, and how she also uses Naruto.

 

1: We see something from the past, mainly Naruto's childhood at Five, and he gets beaten almost to death while Hinata is watching and not doing a thing. But add on to it that others like Choji Shikamaru Sakura hell even Ino see this and want to help, but Hinata sees this and tells her father. Who later tells their parents who tell the kids to stay away from the demon child.

 

2: Hinata gets a bunch of kids killed because she thinks Naruto was going to die.

 

That's all I have right now but again so many things you can do.

 

Oh there's no need to even do  any of that. the solution was very simple from the start, if you ask me and it's not hard to do. Make Sakura Naruto's childhood friend that is still a tsundere to him when he does something stupid but have her smiling and blushing when he talks about how he wants to be Hokage, Make Hinata the same but not as Naruto's fan girl and have her shrink away even around him. THEN those fans would not find her so cute anymore. How do I know? Remember, Sakura is not even that bad of a tsundere compared to some other cases but those other cases are far more tolerated than her.

 

Case in point. I know not all of us here watch Black Clover here but it is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of this dynamic DONE RIGHT (and is one of my very favourite series right now, but besides the point).  You have the main character Asta who is exactly like Naruto. (and I am not saying this lightly) He is a idiotic simpleton that wants to the biggest political figure in his home kingdom, the Wizard King, which is the strongest combat magic user in said kingdom and commands all other mages of said category called "magic knights" which all use magic as a military force and law enforcement at the same time. He was bullied and teased since childhood because he HAS NO MAGIC which is completely unheard of but still is determined to be the Wizard King, and has MANY MANY naysayers even now in the series. Spot the similarities RIGHT THERE? I won't delve into HOW He is trying to become wizard king despite having no magic or the setting and premise, but you get the idea.

 

Now you have the main female lead of the manga/anime, Noelle Silva, who is a princess of that kingdom, and a tsundere completely not unlike Sakura. She was snooty at the start of the manga/anime (still is somewhat now even after character development) and would rub her status in the faces of others, even her friends (she and Asta are assigned to the same magic knight squad), and uses it as a justification of her haughty attitude, BUT "SHOCKER!!", she is in love with Asta. She berates him like a typical tsundere love interest and smacks him with her magic when embarrassed or he does something stupid, but shows to completely fan girl him in silence and inside her head, shows visible concern when there was the time when he lost control of his powers and he looked like a monster similar to Sakura and Naruto, etc etc. and develops into a stronger more confident young woman. How popular is she you ask? She placed third in the Black Clover Popularity polls TWICE.

 

And do note, Asta has has a "Hinata" too in this scenario which is Noelle's cousin. Said cousin is a sweet-natured healer, and also falls for Asta soon after she is introduced, and while she does have fans that prefer her over Noelle to get with Asta, Noelle is still far more popular overall. The cousin's name is Mimosa if you're curious, and has the EXACT SAME dynamic as Hinata, in that she is not on the same team as Asta, barely interacts with him, and has a bust size that is noted by other characters and also used as the butt of jokes on occasion. Despite her obvious crush on Asta she is rarely seen with him, does not spend time with him off duty, and is hardly seen at all in the series, plus Asta spends more time with Noelle than even his "best friend/ rival". That's right Asta ALSO has a "Sasuke" that he is life partners with and strives toward the same goal to become wizard king (if you want I'll talk about him later), but Asta spends most of his time with Noelle.

 

My point on all of this is that you see the difference between Noelle and Sakura in the eyes of the fans here here? Noelle is just like Sakura in her dynamic with Asta, withthe tsundere attitude but she was established incredibly early in the manga to have started liking him in secret but is too embarrassed to show it to him properly, plus she has competition for his affections and it is not just Mimosa, there are a couple of other characters I did not mention that could be called "love interests" for Asta, but these two, Noelle and Mimosa, are the most prominent in the story and again Mimosa is not shown to be with Asta frequently and is off screen a lot of the time just like Hinata. So what is the difference between Noelle and Sakura?

 

Pretty sure that it is because Noelle has shown to have a very soft spot for the MC despite her reluctance to show it or hell, even admit it to others and herself most of all. And get this, SEVERAL character can see she loves Asta, even character that don't see her often or know her that well. there are several characters in universe that outright WANT to see them as a couple or acknowledge Noelle's feelings. Plus, Noelle progresses a lot as a character in that she has an INSANE amount of magic power, but can't control properly so she started off as a liability early in the manga (just like Sakura again) so her development is learning to actually use her powers and become a stronger person , and she has goals that don't involve Asta at all might I add. It also helps that she is quite the beauty herself, with author admitting she is one of the most physically attractive women in the kingdom. If that is not double standards, I don't know what is.

 

BUT do you get it now? the problem is not Hinata at all, but to fix all first impressions of Sakura. I've argued this for years. Hinata is NOTHING, there is nothing special about her besides her family name, she is a side character at best and her so called feelings for the MC are her sole defining feature and she' is NOT EVEN PROMINENT AT THAT. All of Sakura's hatred and Hinata worship has nothing to do with Hinata and everything to do with how others viewed Sakura at the start. If Sakura was shown to love Naruto at the start she likely would be more popular than she is now just like Noelle, and not have her tsundere behaviour held in contempt because she did not even secretly like him. And notice, you see A LOT of other Shonen manga/anime heroines that are not physically involved with the plot either. They don't have plot important fights or even fights at all in their series, but do you see them being called weak useless, annoying etc etc. like Sakura has? Often no. Why? because their love for the MC is plot relevant and fans seem to latch on to that and adore it. 

 

But what I'm saying is Hinata is not the problem. And even if she was, the problem is not solved is solved by simply making her a horrible character. That has been done before and those females are still loved for it by these fans, so that is not working. Perfect example. Yuno Gasai from "Future Diary". THAT GIRL is an outright psychotic killer and actually embodies everything you WANT TO paint Hinata as. She casually murders people and with a child like glee in her facial expression, and is physically, emotionally and even socially abusive towards her love interest, the MC of the story. she considers anyone he interacts with in their age group a threat to their relationship, so she kills them or attempts to kill them on regular basis. She even drugged and kidnapped him one time for at least a week. Fans STILL love her and want her with the MC and SHE DOES get with him at the end. So you see, it is not enough to just make Hinata as heinous as possible to get these fans to stop worshiping her, and Yuno Gasai is one of MANY examples that prove this point. Just my two cents.


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