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#21 DrK

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Posted 21 March 2018 - 07:51 AM

This topic certainly took a turn I wasn't expecting. Most everyone here has valid points, but I am asking, how would you SELL this? You could go on all you want about how you've "fixed" things from the original, but fans react badly to change. You would very much want to avoid a fallout similar to what happend with DmC or the new Ghostbusters. So, how would you advertise it and address the changes?

But why would they market it around the pairings anyway? It wasn't ever supposed to be a romance. The marketing for a reboot would be based around whatever nostalgic kitten got tons of people to watch the series to begin with. And that isn't Sakura. It's not. That was the whole problem to begin with. If they planned to have Naruto be with Sakura in a reboot, it would not be in their best interest AT ALL to advertise that fact. Even if Sakura hadn't been such a clusterkitten popularity and development wise it wouldn't be. Why would they not only market the romance in a shonen, but spoil it as well?

 

We can assume NS would happen at the end, so it would be over anyway, making this a moot point. Unless they also reboot Boruto.

 

NS happening on its own isn't enough to justify it, they need something else, like better animation or something. And make certain story arcs less terrible. If NS was that kittening popular, they never would've screwed things up to begin with. They would have done what they were supposed to. 

 

And again, why would they spoil what pairings they would end with? They would leave it open to not alienate either faction. Though if they did this, NH fans would be idiots to expect the same thing to happen. So it comes down to damage control after the fact, which is not gonna make much of a difference to their bottom line. Nobody wants to hear it. I talked to a guy on FFN who fully believed what Kishimoto said about planning NH and SS from the start. I explained to him why that was BS, but it didn't matter if he believed me or not, because hearing that Kishi planned it from the start just made him hate Kishi even more.


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 05:00 PM

It's the shipping fandom that many of them are just damn crazy. Sometimes I don't understand it myself. I mean, I ship but not like my life depends on it. But there are so many shipping fans who are so hardcore. For example RWBY series the shipping fans have gotten out of control for a while now especially when the creator revealed years ago that there will be homosexual and bisexual characters in the show. The most hardcore of shipping fans will do such thing to ship even if it cost them their lives, as ridiculous as it sounds. They will do anything from insult, to threat, everything. 

 

Naruto is no different the manga wasn't about romance, there was barely any of it. But the shipping fans were that crazy. It all started with their hatred for Sakura and their love for Hinata. The more they knew of Hinata the more they love her and the more they hated Sakura. That's why they eventually wanted Hinata to be with Naruto, that she was the one he truly deserves. The western shipping fans are the craziest and hardcore. Because come on let's face it there is no way in hell the Japanese fandom is like that. They respect and see the manga for what it is, including where is Kishimoto heading with the main pairing. The western fans were just too loud and you add his editors and Pierot who are hardcore Hinata addicts and that's where things changed. It probably explains why he kept firing editors and getting new ones. 

 

I can still remember that interview where he said" you say Hinata Hinata and I say she's not the heroine, Sakura is". That was a hint right there that he was frustrated or annoyed at the fandom for their crazy obsession over Hinata. He made it clear YEARS AGO since he started the manga that Sakura was the lead female. Eventually he got sick of it. The western shipping fans, his editors and Pierot they all drove him insane to a point that he just didn't care anymore. He gave up on his life's work and decided to do what they wanted. This is really bad because it only shows that Kishimoto lacks a backbone. He should have take a stand and made it clear" I'm going with Naruto and Sakura period end of story". If they don't like it then they can stop reading the manga because the story isn't a romance one it's mainly action. The pairing choice is only secondary. The ones who will stop reading are the crazy shipping fans. 

 

In the end Kishimoto is the one who gets the final word, not his editors, not Pierot and not the fandom. No matter how popular or how much money he's earning. But eventually he gave up and decided to ruined the story. I always bring the example of Eishiro Oda the author of One Piece. Do you think he will accept if one of his editors tell him" that he should make Usoop or Sanji king of the pirates?" or ask him" that Luffy should never find One Piece". What do you think he will say? There's no way he will accept those terms no how many times they will insist he will tell them exactly how he fells (unlike Kishimoto). But I still don't understand these shipping fans at all.


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:05 PM

Make Madara the Bad guy. No need to introduce Kaguya.

 

Neji survives the battle.

 

Sasuke and Naruto beat him and then have their little fight. Sasuke escapes and goes back to Orochimaru.

 

The Last (with a different bad guy, maybe Sasuke) and Naruto and Sakura end up together.

 

Years later, Sakura and Naruto have Boruto who is a little kitten, but not because of his bad father. Naruto isn't a neglectful kitten and has changed the Ninja world for the better. They are constantly trying to find and destroy Sasuke and Orochimaru.

 

Chouji and Ino are married. Hinata married Kiba. Temari and Shikamaru are married. Tenten and Neji are married.

 

Sasuke has Sarada with Karin.

 

Sarada is tasked with infiltrating Konoha. She then becomes conflicted because she connects with Naruto because she's also an Uzumaki. 

Boruto becomes a rogue-nin and joins Sasuke. 

 

Orochimaru's group goes to war against Konoha and Naruto finally kills Sasuke.

 

I think this is way better than the kitten that we have now.
 



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Posted 22 March 2018 - 08:30 AM

Show Naruto actually attending his inauguration with his team by his side. Plain and simple, fin. That's how I thought it would have ended.

But in any case, it started with Naruto, Sasuke & Sakura, and it should have ended with Naruto, Sasuke & Sakura. They started as one single river, but as the story progressed, it broke off into 3 separate streams, each with their own paths and obstacles. And in the end those 3 streams should have come together as a single river once more.

So I agree and echo the posts I liked. Dont want to repeat them. I'm going to add/expand on what was already said:

- Kishi has this awful habit of creating something new and interesting, like a character or moment, then giving up on it. You never hear about it again. So limit the amount of issues & characters you create and focus to solve the ones you already have.

- Sakura. Give her an actual arc, not just one solid fight. Give her a real backstory, and shine some light on her bonds as well, like with Ino and Tsunade and Naruto, etc. Let us know what they mean to her from her POV, explicitly.

- More on the human aspects of being a ninja. Like coercion, stealth and technique. Use more tools and weaponry in battle instead of jutsu magic. (e.g. Karin has glasses that hid a zagged blade at the temples when she removed it. Genius.)

Remove the war arc completely. This arc only served to ruined everyone's character and dignity in it. But if you kept the war arc:

- Have Sakura kill Kabuto. A good medic vs. a bad medic make for quite an interesting fight. She lacked any major fights since Sasori, and she started to fade into the background like a minor character at this point, so this would have helped torpedoed her back into relevancy again. (That and the Uchihas have hogged the spotlight quite enough, really.)

- Make Madara the final boss. There was not one mention of Kaguya from the beginning to the end of the Pain arc, and therefore didn't have the emotional impact of terror as did Madara.

- The child of prophecy BS, remove it. It tells us that Naruto, Sasuke & even Hinata were already predestined to be great. It nullifies and eclipses all of their hard work that they put into themselves in the first place.

- The final fight, Naruto vs. Sasuke: let there be none of that kamikaze stuff like we seen. There was no reason that they had to rip off each others clothes and blow off their arms. Honestly.

I'd have them argue, all three of them, but not fight. Either have Sasuke:

1) be TNJ'd to submission by Naruto (& Sakura). Sasuke has a change of heart and they hug it out. The fans get their fanservice that they've been aching for and happy ending bye. (Just end their conflict with anything but fighting; seems so immature and predicable if they do.)

Or 2) declare that he wants to become Hokage, and is dead serious about it like he was when he arrived at the war. You now have your main villain for the third part of the series if you wish to continue it.

Part 3 would show us Naruto's journey to become Hokage & beat Sasuke once and for all as a fully realized man. And finally winning the love of Sakura-whose matured and worked independently on her goals-that hes been wanting for so long. (Love triangle/square for the added buzz.)

And if you really wanted a few testy kids, have him a new genin team for the giggles. Yay.

These are just my thoughts.

Edited by gamma, 25 March 2018 - 12:22 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:13 PM

All of them die in the end. Then all of a sudden a giant spaceship appears and blows their planet up. The End.

 

That's how I would redo the ending.


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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:17 PM

All of them die in the end. Then all of a sudden a giant spaceship appears and blows their planet up. The End.

 

That's how I would redo the ending.

So, you're saying you would make the ending less anticlimactic?



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Posted 23 March 2018 - 11:36 PM

So, you're saying you would make the ending less anticlimactic?

 

Yeah, that's what I got outta what Azor said too!



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Posted 24 March 2018 - 12:38 AM

Yeah, that's what I got outta what Azor said too!


At least it’d have some spice to it. Though it’d be morbidly funny if they all fought so valiantly only for the world to blow up.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 01:58 AM

At least it’d have some spice to it. Though it’d be morbidly funny if they all fought so valiantly only for the world to blow up.

It is just frustrating because everything we come up with is better than we got but we can't freaking change it unless through fanfics. I have been listening to the soundtracks, which are the best part of the franchise at this point, and it pumps me to want to rewatch the old episodes. Unfortunately since I know the end, it taints everything to where I wouldn't enjoy it. Top ten worst endings in anime of all time in my opinion. Like Azor said blow it up because it would have saved us the trouble.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 04:34 AM

I have been listening to the soundtracks

The music actually makes me laugh now. There are all these really sad or inspirational tracks, and it's just funny when you think about the ending. Like Kushina is dying and telling Naruto to find a girl like her, don't marry a weird girl. Sad music is playing. Naruto marries weird girl in the end. Sakura loves Sasuke and doesn't love Naruto. Cue sad music. In the end, Sakura still loves Sasuke and still does not love Naruto. Inspirational scene where Naruto wants to defeat Orochimaru. Play inspirational music. In the end, Orochimaru is free to do whatever he wants. Naruto talks about his selfless love for Sakura, etc.

 

What Kishi did made his life's work into a joke.


Edited by DrK, 24 March 2018 - 04:35 AM.


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 11:07 AM

Make Madara the Bad guy. No need to introduce Kaguya.

 

Neji survives the battle.

 

Sasuke and Naruto beat him and then have their little fight. Sasuke escapes and goes back to Orochimaru.

 

The Last (with a different bad guy, maybe Sasuke) and Naruto and Sakura end up together.

 

Years later, Sakura and Naruto have Boruto who is a little kitten, but not because of his bad father. Naruto isn't a neglectful kitten and has changed the Ninja world for the better. They are constantly trying to find and destroy Sasuke and Orochimaru.

 

Chouji and Ino are married. Hinata married Kiba. Temari and Shikamaru are married. Tenten and Neji are married.

 

Sasuke has Sarada with Karin.

 

Sarada is tasked with infiltrating Konoha. She then becomes conflicted because she connects with Naruto because she's also an Uzumaki. 

Boruto becomes a rogue-nin and joins Sasuke. 

 

Orochimaru's group goes to war against Konoha and Naruto finally kills Sasuke.

 

I think this is way better than the kitten that we have now.
 

 

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He then creates a friendly and disciplined Konoha, and eventually, everyone has to wear a tight, forest - green suit. :yes:


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 02:41 PM

 
Lee has no kid but adopts Metal and becomes Hokage while everyone is busy with Sasuke. :woot:
He then creates a friendly and disciplined Konoha, and eventually, everyone has to wear a tight, forest - green suit. :yes:


^ Best idea yet.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 06:23 PM

Also, show/explain how Naruto fell in love with Sakura!! Did he meet her when they were small, like a chance encounter? Did Naruto saw her one day in her green dress and red ribbon and thought she was the prettiest thing?? Details please!


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 07:41 PM

Also, show/explain how Naruto fell in love with Sakura!! Did he meet her when they were small, like a chance encounter. Did Naruto saw her one day in her green dress and red ribbon and thought she was the prettiest thing?? Details please!

 

I know whatcha mean, Gamma! Honestly, for my fic, I've been trying to figure that aspect out, and I got some ideas; better than the claims "The Last" tried to have made for Naruto loving Sakura when it's obvious there was something more, but Kishi was too weak-willed to show it.



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Posted 24 March 2018 - 08:26 PM

 

I know whatcha mean, Gamma! Honestly, for my fic, I've been trying to figure that aspect out, and I got some ideas; better than the claims "The Last" tried to have made for Naruto loving Sakura when it's obvious there was something more, but Kishi was too weak-willed to show it.

Maybe I should write a story where Naruto falls in love with Sakura because of a genjutsu. That would be a good satire.



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Posted 24 March 2018 - 09:20 PM

Maybe I should write a story where Naruto falls in love with Sakura because of a genjutsu. That would be a good satire.


I wouldn't want to lower our standards to everybody else's. We are too good for that and we like our stories with proper build-up thank you.

Edited by griff142, 24 March 2018 - 09:22 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 11:54 PM

Keep part 1 exactly as it is, it was absolutely flawless, despite how much the characters infuriated me at times.

1. No Itachi redemption or retcon for the slaughter of the clan. It created so many problems and plot holes and it pains me to say that because I love Itachi.

2. Have Naruto learn from Jiraiya something besides Shadow Clone, Kurama spamming, and Rasengan techniques. Guy should be a ninjutsu specialist, all things considered.

3. Hard work takes precedence as a key theme instead of destiny/fate rearing its ugly head.

4. Orochimaru remains the big bad and the end game boss.

5. No reincarnation or alien storylines

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Naruto/Sakura
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Posted 25 March 2018 - 04:33 AM

We would really need to rework the series from the ground up pretty much, since it was after the Zabuza arc that Kishi began shaping the story based on editorial input. At least, in such a big way.

 

Extend the time until the Chunin exams, say it's coming up and have Team 7 do missions to qualify. Naruto to prove himself, Sasuke because he wants to catch up to Itachi, Sakura because Sasuke. Use this time to flesh out the relationship between the team more as well as introduce other Leaf ninjas. Proceed with the Chunin exams as is as well as the Tsunade arc, but don't have Sasuke leave immediately. Use a couple quick mission arcs to show a change of character and how the Team dynamics are falling apart, with Naruto and Sakura becoming concerned about this.

 

And when Sasuke leaves... I dunno. Still feel it's kinda dumb for Tsunade to send a bunch of rookie genin to retrieve him. I know they want to try and shill these characters, but having older ninja on the mission would highlight just how powerful ninja can become as well as make the danger seem more intimidating. Maybe have Naruto trail some Jonin assigned to the mission, with Kakashi believing Naruto's presence could help convince Sasuke to come back. Some leaf ninja die in combat, again for tension and to highlight how dangerous this world is, and have the VotE battle. Promise of a lifetime, Naruto becomes more dedicated to his training to bring Sasuke back but also realizes being a ninja isn't as awesome as he initially believed it was.

 

There's Part I. I'll need some time to think about Part II.


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Posted 25 March 2018 - 08:20 AM

But why would they market it around the pairings anyway? It wasn't ever supposed to be a romance. The marketing for a reboot would be based around whatever nostalgic kitten got tons of people to watch the series to begin with. And that isn't Sakura. It's not. That was the whole problem to begin with. If they planned to have Naruto be with Sakura in a reboot, it would not be in their best interest AT ALL to advertise that fact. Even if Sakura hadn't been such a clusterkitten popularity and development wise it wouldn't be. Why would they not only market the romance in a shonen, but spoil it as well?

 

We can assume NS would happen at the end, so it would be over anyway, making this a moot point. Unless they also reboot Boruto.

 

NS happening on its own isn't enough to justify it, they need something else, like better animation or something. And make certain story arcs less terrible. If NS was that kittening popular, they never would've screwed things up to begin with. They would have done what they were supposed to. 

 

And again, why would they spoil what pairings they would end with? They would leave it open to not alienate either faction. Though if they did this, NH fans would be idiots to expect the same thing to happen. So it comes down to damage control after the fact, which is not gonna make much of a difference to their bottom line. Nobody wants to hear it. I talked to a guy on FFN who fully believed what Kishimoto said about planning NH and SS from the start. I explained to him why that was BS, but it didn't matter if he believed me or not, because hearing that Kishi planned it from the start just made him hate Kishi even more.

You're not wrong; I'm not saying they should advertise a new Naruto series in such a way or make it JUST about the pairings. I've said multiple times, working the series from the ground up would probably be the best because you can change other things to catch the viewers' interest, and hopefully they will like the change or just won't care too much because you gave them lots of other great stuff. 

Still, even if fans raged at the end (again), the studio/publisher would still want the product to have lasting longevity, so once it happens, it DOES need to be addressed. 

 

I for one don't think they should "redo" Boruto; it's part of the reason this franchise went down the gutter in the first place. Just show a new generation at the very end, while still making it about the main characters, showing a passing of the torch so to speak but leaving the kids' actual adventures to the imagination of the fans.

 

If they REALLY wanted to go this route, I'd say they should wait a couple years to gauge the fans' interest. If they feel the response is positive, they could make something of an NS movie to counter The Last, but keep the romance as a sublplot (and building upon something well-established in the first place) and make sure whatever antagonists are used don't show any interest in Sakura as a trophy.

 

Then they could go for a next-gen movie, and make sure it works as a one-shot. I would advise them to minimize the previous generation and make it about the new, and give us something more original. Maybe make Sasuke's kid the main character, coming to grips with her/his tainted legacy and Naruto's kid being the secondary character to help them. It's more interesting then having the main character's own kid as the focus doing the same things his dad did. If successful and they want to do more, fine, just keep them as self-contained arcs.

 

If things DON'T go well, make sure the end is not a "To Be Continued" sort of thing. Just give it closure, and hopefully we're satisfied with what they were able to put out. I've seen much shorter series than Naruto give me better world-building and character development, so with a good writer they could probably pull that off too.

 

Sakura is also something of a problem; not because she can't be improved, but because the fans don't WANT her to be improved. I think it was pointed out on this forum that the majority of her dislike comes from her feelings towards Sasuke, but too many fans don't want this trait to go away because otherwise Sakura is a threat to their ship. 



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Posted 31 March 2018 - 04:26 AM

My only imput would be that if Naruto and Sasuke's bond was one of the core themes of the series at least MAKE THAT BOND BELIEVABLE. their so called spiritual brotherhood is one of the most idiotic, shoved down your throat of "tell don't show" scenarios I have ever read or seen. Honestly, Naruto's relationship with Sasuke is the one most harped on and emphasized about and yet why does it seem all of his relationships with his other friends and mentors seem so much more stable and believable? Naruto and Sasuke's RIVALRY is believable, but not their " secret, hidden in their minds" friendship, because what they have is NOT a friendship. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that that is how you behave around a friend, a best friend even?


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