RamenxBlossom

And I am back people!

After my who-knows-how-long break I have returned, cause apparently I'm still feeling a little pissed, enough to get angry at pro-ending fans, NH/SS and even the extreme NS shippers...

Sigh... If this is what I'm like now, I'm going to be screwed when Yr 12 starts tomorrow

If NH/SS were to accept the B/S pairing now, then it just proves that they were there for the looks, and not a single kitten was given to their personalities or interactions. Everyone is just a kittening trophy.

Naruto: Who cares about his dreams, his happiness? Hinata had always loved him so of course they should end up together. Naruto's feelings? Don't be ridiculous - it was just a crush. Who cares about his promises he made. Why should we be worried that the lifelong dream of the main character turned out to be so awful? He married Hinata - the lucky bastard. 

Hinata: Personality - what's that? She was able to marry Naruto - she should be happy with that. Her personality or family doesn't matter. Her development? who cares if it regressed after part 1 - we're here for the boobs, and nothing else. Hyuuga heiress? We don't remember anyone like that. We only remember the Hyuuga princess.

Sakura: An independent character? What's that? She's always loved Sasuke - what's more romantic than that? Her friends don't matter. Her feelings don't matter. She's not happy? Don't be ridiculous - she married Sasuke. There's no reason for her to be unhappy. Naruto? Who cares if they would have been a wonderful couple - this isn't real life.

Sasuke: His personality, his actions. They don't matter. We have always been here for the looks and the angsty disposition. He's always perfect. So what if he's explicitly stated more than once that he's never loved Sakura. So what if they have tried to kill each other. They are a beautiful couple that's seen in every shoujo (we shall ignore that those pairs tended to have more development, mutual respect, and less skewering).

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That's a really difficult question to answer as it is so subjective.

The only thing I can say is choose what will give you greater satisfaction in the long term, and take into account all the benefits and disadvantages that come into both choices. E.g. moving to another country: more exposure, new experiences, better money, new opportunities but the job is unsatisfactory, may not be comfortable, life there may be difficult, away from family/friends etc.

Hope that helped 

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I just feel hurt and used. There's a limit to how many you can play around with fans, and it's horrible to lead us on to such an extant. I'm sure many of NS/SK fans who read Gaiden felt rather used after discovering that the only reason they made so much drama and fake teasers and hints was to get us to buy it. It's actually gotten pretty sadistic.

Kishi and SP: Do you realise the fact that we are humans who think and actually have feelings? Can you please stop stringing us along (even when we don't want to), make so much drama and moments, only to destroy us at the last second? And for goodness sake, stop blaming us when the fault clearly lies within you.

It's rather irresponsible of you, and only garners more haters, and more "fans" who are there only for the NH/SS.

  His distaste for all of his characters not named Sasuke or Hinata is ridiculous.

Hmm... I would include both in there. Both of them had potential, and got screwed over in that their primary role is to stand there looking good, and make Naruto and Sakura look bad. They haven't been given an actual character or a personality for a while, especially Hinata.

I had quite a bit of hope for them in part 1. Sasuke's circumstances were dark and we saw different sides to him, both positive and negative, allowing us to understand him and his reasoning for his actions (however misguided they were). We saw that he was a downright jerk, but also that there was hope for him, and despite everything, was Naruto's first friend, and one of the first people to truly understand him. He was a pretty good character that was multi-layered. And then he went spiralling downwards.

Hinata, too, had potential. She was shown to be a sweet-natured girl who was a bit of an outcast in her family, with her father favouring Hanabi, and Neji held a misguided grudge against her. She was the black-sheep in the Hyuuga clan, and not many actually had much hope for her. She was a sympathetic character that I wanted to cheer on, and was so happy when she was finally acknowledged. I thought she would find courage within herself to become strong in her own way, and lead the Hyuuga clan and bridge the Main and Branch Houses.

Clearly, I was wrong. Instead she was regressed to the point where her defining trait are her boobs, and has no life outside her precious "Naruto-kun". SP and Hinatards may claim to love her, but they clearly don't give a kitten about her actual character.

"Naruto out of all people, would have treated his family (or at least his children) with the utmost level of love and respect he could give. He would have been treating each second with his kids as a precious treasure - moments with his family, that he never truly had growing up as an ostracised orphan.

Naruto would have been the best possible parent he could. Hell, the clones would have been the ones doing the work, not his real self. His real self would probably be playing, training and talking to his kids the whole day long. To Naruto, nothing was more important to him than his precious people."

- me copying and pasting what I said in the Boruto thread.

I was scrolling through Tumblr just then, and I think this gem (by greenkaorichan) absolutely nails it, and destroys any arguments that people have that NH needed to occur, because even Hinata herself probably would have been able to move on from Naruto relatively easily - it always seemed like she had been in love with Naruto's nindo - not Naruto himself.

"Friendly reminder that Hinata was completely fine and even smiling when Sakura hugged Naruto in front of everyone. I don’t get why Studio Pierrot and Kishimoto felt the need to give Naruto to her out of “pity”. What pity? This panel proved that she could had moved on with her life and focus on more important things if Naruto didn’t reciprocrated her or started a relationship with another person. But no, instead they had to reduce her to a mere pairing fodder who lives and breathes for Naruto-kun and nothing else and a damsel in distress. Why??

For a character “so loved” by SP, they don’t care about her as a character in the least. They just wanted her to transform her in their Mary Sue Pseudo Princess to satisfy their own as well fanboy’s fantasies. And because of that, they also had to ruin the whole story and the main characters, and making Kishimoto kill Neji to give a “push” to NaruHina.

Good job, Pierrot. And you too, Kishimoto."

You still have respect for a lunatic that threw all the development that was built up for 15 years into oncoming traffic?

Despite all the BS that's been going around lately, he was still the one who gave us 15 years of solid development and created the universe and characters where I've spent part of my childhood growing up with.

It's low, but the respect is still kinda there. Maybe I'm still just hoping that he did all this because he was forced to, and not for greed (which seemed to have come in veerrryyy suddenly)

I don't hate any of the characters completely, mainly because most of the current BS could have been avoided had Kishi still continued writing good quality stuff. It's only towards the end where the writing became reeaaalllly lazy, and the manga was only seen as a tool for making lots of money.

I'm not just talking about Naruto and Sakura - Hinata and Sasuke were pretty good a while back as well. They've been pretty kitten characters for a while, but they used to have a proper personality, life and goal. And I'm not quite sure how on earth they would have realistically get to this level. Hinata had pretty close family ties, and I'm not sure where this obsessed stalker came from. I'm pretty sure she had the emotional strength to move on... And old Hinata probably would have not been knitting stupid scarves while her sister's eyes were getting gouged out (but then again, practically nothing in TL made sense).

And Sasuke had always been closed off and a jerk, and given his clear dislike of Sakura's romantic overtures, I would have never penned him to settle down with Sakura (...if you could call leaving your family for 12 years "settling down"), but even then I'm pretty damn sure he wasn't this big of a bastard...

And don't even get me started on Naruto and Sakura... their characters were completely butchered.

I can't even consider any of the characters as canon any more. They only seem like ooc characters in a badly-written fanfiction.

"Crappy old man?"

"Crappy old man?"

"Crappy old man?"

I swear, I never envisioned Naruto to treat his family in this manner, to the point where this occurs. He, out of all people, would have treated his family (or at least his children) with the utmost level of love and respect he could give. He would have been treating each second with his kids as a precious treasure - moments with his family, that he never truly had growing up as an ostracised orphan.

Naruto would have been the best possible parent he could. Hell, the clones would have been the ones doing the work, not his real self. His real self would probably be playing, training and talking to his kids the whole day long. To Naruto, nothing was more important to him than his precious people.

I hate the fact that they've sacrificed so many characters (including Hinata and Sasuke - their characters were never bad to this level...) just to fit the pairings and to add drama.

But... to sacrifice the main character...

They already ruined him in The Last, but even now...

Honestly these red herrings are just a pathetic attempt to excuse the mistakes that Kishi made. He and SP aren't brave enough to admit it, so they're trying to cover it up, and in the process, making things worse for themselves. 

It's one of those things where in an attempt to cover up a problem, you create a huge elaborate setting around it, so that it seems like these mistakes were meant to happen. But in the end, all it takes is for one tiny push for it to come crashing down. And when that happens, it's going to be an absolute wreck.

You know the one thing that pisses me off?

These so-called "red herrings". I absolutely hate it when people use it as an argument to justify  NH/SS and say that NS had no depth. Do people not kittening realise that a red herring is much more than a simple distraction? 

A red herring only works effectively when:

a) It is used in moderation, and not consistently throughout the whole manga! A few misleads, fine. But trying to say that 700 chapters worth of development was just a "simple red herring"??? 

b) There is a kittening reason for the red herring to occur. There was a proper reason for all this BS and that was making NS the end couple. All the moments of them growing closer, supporting each other and stuff should have been there for a reason. Wasn't one of the databooks saying that Sakura's feelings were changing or something? If it was all to make NH/SS end game, then why go through all this? It's just like the drama with Sarada and stuff. If Sakura was going to be her mother anyway, why all the stupid unnecessary drama?     

c) The alternative make sense. NH and SS didn't make that much sense in the original manga. Naruto and Hinata properly interacted for about five panels in the whole manga, and The Last only served to make it look more forced, and make it seem like it was due to guilt on Naruto's side. And SS... that's just one kittened up pairing. How can people honestly support a ship where any romance was entirely one-sided? I mean Sasuke had attempted to skewer Sakura three times, and had left her and Sarada alone without any support.

For 12 years.     

How anyone can pass this off as a "red herring" is beyond me.

It's amazing how much I feel like a disappointed mother when I see this series.     

I swear, all of this kitten only makes me shake my head in sadness. I still can't bring myself to completely hate these characters - I grew up with them, and despite all the bad, I've seen their good moments, and I just want them to go back to how they were   

I feel exactly like Lee Kang-to's mother in Gaksital, when she prays for the misguided jerk her son was at the time, to grow up and mature, and live like a person again...

Except there it's more satisfying, in that he actually changed. In a realistic manner. And for the better (I'm talking for both his character and the plot). All the changes we've seen in Naruto so far are so damn ooc, and none of it has made anything better. Except maybe proving points that we've known for a while.

Though I'll be honest - Praying may have helped Kang-to, but I'm not sure if anything will be able to help Naruto at this point