To be fair to Hinata, I don't think it made her a bad person. She was just a kid at the time, with her own hang-ups and issues. She should have at least tried - and while it was a half-assed late Part One retcon, Sasuke with all his baggage did reach out at one point - and if she had maybe things might have turned out differently for them both and the end pairing might have made more sense, but she didn't. She mostly just stuck with her romanticized notion of him, a notion I can't even remember (did she ever explain why she liked him during any part of the manga?) That's the weird thing; she never really knew him at all, never made any grand attempts to know him, never even really had many warm interactions with him or even interactions at all and barely did anything but hover in the background. That probably should have been fixed much, much earlier if the ending was intended.
But yeah, she should have reached out. Sakura at least had the excuse of just being a cute boy obsessed girl who had no idea what was going on with Naruto and didn't care to find out because she barely knew him. But Hinata was kind of screwed up too. I just liken all the problems with the whole thing to bad writing and what I suspect was probably a last minute decision.
With Hinata, they were definitely ignoring context. She always had a crush on Naruto, but so what ? she never talked to him, never comforted him when he was alone or miserable, or did anything that a love interest SHOULD DO in that scenario. she was no different than an apathetic bystander truth be told, but because she LOVES the village pariah Hinatatheists praise as a "pure hearted goddess" and is therefore entitled to "her man". But "Naruto The Last" needed the brain washing and jealousy card for Nardo to even look in her direction. so much for "Naruto loved Hinata for all of the manga"
No, Hinata being shy did not make her a bad person, but the fact that they praise her as this Messiah because "she was the only one who cared" is just as bad. She didn't do anything, but admire in secrecy. The old saying is "Actions speak louder than words", but wouldn't mean that actions speak even louder than thoughts? She says "Good luck, Naruto" in her mind and they act like she was the only to give him strength, the only one to have a bond with him, the only one who "cared about him." Completely ignoring Iruka, Jiraiya, and so many others.
The problem with that scene is that she did lie, she still did love Sasuke and both Sai and Kishi interviews from around that time support that. Naruto shouldn't have reacted the way that he did but he couldn't have accepted it either
Bold: But that is not what they claim is the lie. All the arguments say that the confession itself was the lie. The "I love you, Naruto" part. They never mention the "I don't care about Sasuke anymore" part. See even you are looking at the wrong part. Forget everything else save that one part.
Just look at the "I love you, Naruto" part and nothing else. That is where the argument starts and ends. That THIS was the lie that makes her a manipulative b**ch. Not the other stuff. They completely ignore the other stuff. What about the part where Sakura says "You calling me a liar? You don't understand a women's heart." Or whatever it was.
Naruto also lied in this same scene too as he said that it was no longer about keeping the promise and yet right before their fight he said it was about keeping a promise. Naruto has been lying long long before Sakura even made these lies because "it was only a rivalry game."
Kishimoto's interviews also state she was being an "honest girl" or at least what he thought she was doing. "You all say "Hinata Hinata" and I say "But she is not Hinata." Also later interviews of "SS is a drug addiction" and he "felt sorry for Hinata" making SS and NH a drug addiction and guilt trip. Not only do people never mention this, but they downright don't believe it it be real. NYCC 2016. The one time Kishimoto comes to America and they don't believe these answers exist?
2nd Bold: Yeah well, Sai also said that even he could tell Naruto was in love with Sakura and showed a flashback of Naruto admitting it. Another thing people seem to easily "forget."
This is why we say it is all retcons. So the "pairings" in this series is one massive straight line
Hinata loves Naruto who loves Sakura who loves Sasuke who loves Naruto. Naruto and Sasuke are the only two characters who legitimately share reciprocating feelings for each other and even still proven in Gaiden and Boruto today.
See, even you are doing it, Drk. You take one moment, one instance, and even one interview and say "Oh well, this must be the plan." Turn the page and then the context changes. The interview answers change. The ideas change. Add in the view points of SP who we know are Hinata biased and the only purpose 21111111111cfffv'''[]we see is "Hinata worship retconing."
In the grand scheme of everything...if you take the entire story as a whole with the interviews...you get this Shonen manga about a tragic love story between Naruto and Sakura who love each other secretly, but wanted to pretend they don't and make every excuse. Naruto takes Hinata because since he can't have Sakura, might as well take the back-up plan. Also because people guilt tripped him to be with her. Sasuke doesn't care about Sakura and only puts on an act to get Sakura off his back so he puts in minimal effort. Sakura is basically schizophrenic who has two personalities that get triggered depending who she is around. Hinata lives a lie too, but pretends everything is okay.
This is the weird shounen story ever.
These people take random points in the series and extrapolate it to encompass the entire series, but completely ignore other aspects in the stories that not only go against their viewpoint proving them wrong, but might even give a give a different aspect. This is why we bring the idea that NH and SS is a retcon and was never planned because so much goes against it.
One thing I bring up is how Naruto looked when looking at Sakura and Salad talking. He gave this look of like he wishes that was his family. That he wishes Sasuke wasn't an A-hole about something special he has...something he doesn't see in his own family. I never seem use that look at Hinata.Then when you have later in the story of Ino bringing up Naruto's love for Sakura....and people brushing it off....just....why? Why do people feel these things don't exist or they are trivial?
It's like a console war. People want to so bad feel like their investment in a game system was worth it by arguing how great it is, but look at it and you realize that the games suck for it. It was a bad investment cause they never play it, but they don't want to admit it.
Edited by James S Cassidy, 06 January 2019 - 09:30 PM.