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[Derock]

Figures because just he's the 1st African-American elected president (actually he's mixed) and the rednecks, white supremists, Neo-Nazi and all of those hate groups won't accept that. It's an "ALL Hell no" situation for them.

- and I reach 3000th post! Yeepee!!! -

[KittenLou]

Wow, if I wasn't ashamed of my skin tone before, I now officially am.

It's actually pretty scary. There's no telling how far these people would go, maybe even will go, just to express their detestment of the outcome of the election... who knows how many people could get hurt. The only thing that puts our country at risk of damnation are the people who remain unwilling to accept anything different as America's history and are willing to sacrifice other people for their ideal nation, which would probably essentially put the rest of the world at risk as well.

YAY FOR DEROCK!

Edited by Kitten, 15 November 2008 - 02:10 AM.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Don't worry, guys. These people are completely harmless. More like crying children in adult's bodies, if you ask me. They pose with guns to act 'cool', and post them on the internet, and even gather in a site and discuss plans about how to kill black people and minorities.

You would think after a few dozen attacks being thwarted would get them to realize that posting on a website that is most likely rigged and watched by the Secret Service is a big 'no no'.

Threats, my friends. Simply kids and disgruntled adults wanting attention. However, when it comes to about 20 threats, then we've got to worry, since it's in my theory that around 1 in 20 threats are real. I hope Obama has a whole Marine Corp. guarding him and bring him into the Oval Office.

[Illjwamh]

I usually avoid politically-themed blogs like the plague, but there are a few that I like. This entry comes from one of the more leftist of those few, and I thought it provided some good perspective on all of this negative reaction from the right.

Wednesday, November 5, 2008
Pity the conservatives

posted by Liberal Seagull at 11:50 PM

I actually feel a little sorry for conservatives, right now. They're deeply scared. Talk radio hosts and campaign ads have been telling them for weeks that the man we just elected president is a Socialist terrorist who will destroy our economy, take away all of our guns, and allow us to be nuked by Iran. They're afraid for their country right now. They also feel trapped. As liberals, if we're feeling panicky about the state of the nation, we can always fantasize about emigrating to Canada or any number of other liberal democracies. Conservatives have no such safety valve; I mean, where would they go that's more conservative?

A lot of them are also feeling a sense of shock. They really thought they would win. Right-wing news outlets were talking up McCain's chances of victory, and so was McCain himself. People whose news came only from those sources didn't see this one coming.

It will take them a while to realize that Obama isn't a tenth as radical as they've been led to believe. You're going to see a lot of unhinged, intolerant ranting from the right for the next couple of weeks. It's best to pay it no mind. These people are venting because they're afraid of the imaginary monster the right-wing pundits have constructed and labeled with a nametag that says "Obama." I'm sure there will always be a strong, seething anger, like was directed at Clinton, because conservatives fundamentally believe that Democrats have no legitimate claim to power. The current level of venom, however, is not likely to last.

[krisk]

OHAI. 8D

considering this thread is all fired up on the same topic i figured it was okay to post this video: [link]
(warning: it has slight cursing and massive amounts of retardation. just sayin.)

um no bashing? aaaaaaaaaw. ):
well after you see the video, i think you'll understand my feelings about this woman. *shrugs*

[Nate River]

It will take them a while to realize that Obama isn't a tenth as radical as they've been led to believe. You're going to see a lot of unhinged, intolerant ranting from the right for the next couple of weeks. It's best to pay it no mind. These people are venting because they're afraid of the imaginary monster the right-wing pundits have constructed and labeled with a nametag that says "Obama." I'm sure there will always be a strong, seething anger, like was directed at Clinton, because conservatives fundamentally believe that Democrats have no legitimate claim to power. The current level of venom, however, is not likely to last.

I found this particular paragraph rather irritating. It's like pot calling the kettle black. What exactly were liberal pundits and blogs (like DailyKos and MoveOn) doing from the day Bush was inaugurated in January 2001? They weren't spewing unhinged, intolerant ranting for the last eight years?

I don't think conservatives serves themselves well by going that path, but it's more than a little annoying that there seems to a lack of self-awareness among some liberal commentators and their behavior for most of this decade. They complain about conservative reactions to Obama, but they weren't any better after Bush was elected.

I genuinely hope conservative commentators are wrong about Obama, because I don't want him to do what they predict nor do I want those consequences to befall the nation. On the other hand, on what basis other than pure faith should I believe he'll be a centrist? He has virtually no record to speak of and spent most of his legislative career side-stepping tough issues. He's for card-check legislation, which is massively unpopular. I don't seem him opposing the imposition of the fairness doctrine on radio (and that radio is the only target speaks volumes about the intent here). He's spoken of killing the coal industry. Circumstances may force him to the center, but I honestly see any reason other than blind faith to think he's not to the far left.

If he proves that notion false, that's great. But that's what he's going to have to do when there isn't a ton of evidence to the contrary outside of blogs and campaign promises that he may or may not live up to. His past, what we know anyway, doesn't tend to support that idea that he's some kind of centerist.

Moreover, to complain about talking McCain up? If the situations were reversed, I'd have expected the same from the left for the simple reason that the alternative is to simply throw in the towel and quit. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Would you expect anyone to do that when trying to prevent someone from getting elected you think will be a bad President? If Bush had been up 10 in 2004, would they have said, you know what Kerry's dead, don't bother? I wouldn't bet on it.

Wow, if I wasn't ashamed of my skin tone before, I now officially am.

It's actually pretty scary. There's no telling how far these people would go, maybe even will go, just to express their detestment of the outcome of the election... who knows how many people could get hurt. The only thing that puts our country at risk of damnation are the people who remain unwilling to accept anything different as America's history and are willing to sacrifice other people for their ideal nation, which would probably essentially put the rest of the world at risk as well.

Why are you ashamed? You shouldn't be expected to apologize for the behavior of a couple idiots whose only connection to you is the color of their skin.

[Illmatic]

there are people on both sides who act this way, but still, the panicking has made me lol, some think Obama is the anti-christ

the stupitidy of some people never cease to amaze me

[Nate River]

there are people on both sides who act this way, but still, the panicking has made me lol, some think Obama is the anti-christ

the stupitidy of some people never cease to amaze me

And there were numerous people on the left who compared Bush to Adolf Hitler and called global warming opponents the equivalent of Holocaust Deniers.

Of course, there are and if they criticized both sides for such behavior I'd have no issue, but some of the same people whining about Anti-Obama reactions were the same people who foamed at the mouth at the very mention of Bush.

[Illjwamh]

And there were numerous people on the left who compared Bush to Adolf Hitler and called global warming opponents the equivalent of Holocaust Deniers.

Of course, there are and if they criticized both sides for such behavior I'd have no issue, but some of the same people whining about Anti-Obama reactions were the same people who foamed at the mouth at the very mention of Bush.

It's true and you're right. It's funny really, since no one notices these sorts of things when their side does it, because to them their side is right so it doesn't count.

I think the real message of that blog post is that, while a certain level of animosity is to be expected, what we're seeing now is unusual, even by normal partisan standards. I would agree with that, considering the number of death threats and predictions of doom and other such nonsense I've heard in the last week and a half. I do recall hearing one or two of those sorts of things when Bush was elected, but right now they seem to be all over the place.

And the part about "talking McCain up" wasn't a dig, it was just saying that people who have no other source for their news didn't hear anything else, so of course they would be shocked that they lost.

I'm not saying that blog post was unbiased - far from it. Those guys are unapologetically liberal. I just thought they made some good points is all.

[Illmatic]

well i did say both sides have the same types of morons red or blue, i just think its cute how some idiots think the sky is falling

[Kamina-Yoshi]

...foamed at the mouth at the very mention of Bush.

The graves of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan say "Hi".

Besides the point, Obama has been guarded fiercely. He has Secret Service members in black vehicles guarding him, even his family, as he drops them off at school. These guys' ain't playing.

[Sakura Blossoms]

well i did say both sides have the same types of morons red or blue, i just think its cute how some idiots think the sky is falling

Stop calling people morons and idiots. Follow the no-bashing rules please.

[Cloud]

Gah. It's like this independent blog my friend showed me a few weeks ago after the election.

From reading it, I could tell these people weren't pleased with Obama winning. There were a LOT of racist remarks and made me feel uneasy that these people actually live and breathe racist terms.

Even though they're not KKK or Neo-Nazis, it still kinda makes you unnerved that there are people who wish the White house to stay... WHITE.

>_<

[Illmatic]

its the sad truth that there are those who still think that way, but hey, that kinda hate and overreaction will always exist, though this country has come very far concerning racism, which im proud of

[Nate River]

The graves of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan say "Hi".

Besides the point, Obama has been guarded fiercely. He has Secret Service members in black vehicles guarding him, even his family, as he drops them off at school. These guys' ain't playing.

And yet you can't figure out why even fellow liberals criticize you constantly. Astonishing, really.

It's great how you make my point without realizing it. Congratulations.

[Zero BD]

The graves of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan say "Hi".

Not cool Yoshi.

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Not cool Yoshi.

He wanted to know why we hate Bush so much, so I put it bluntly. Sorry if I offended anyone.

[KittenLou]

Why are you ashamed? You shouldn't be expected to apologize for the behavior of a couple idiots whose only connection to you is the color of their skin.

It's not really a matter of apologizing. I'm just simply embarrassed that people would act so childish. It's unnerving and selfish of anyone to react in such a way (this includes myself). I can understand being a little frightened of the drastic change, being afraid of the uncertainty Obama represents (especially after all the terrorist remarks he was shot with), but they can't really believe that their reaction like this is going to make anything better. Yes, maybe they'll feel better about it, but where does this leave the country as a whole?

I do suppose it's good in a way; they have some place to let off their steam, but there's no telling how many of these people are willing to do what they can to keep Obama from being in office.

I'll also admit, during his first four years, I really hated Bush. I was in middle school, though, and so when I reached maybe my sophomore year, I started respecting him like he should have been and supported him anyway. After all, it was a very troubling time for all of us. Could we really expect anything much different from another man in office? I believe he made many incorrect decisions during his presidency, but I also believe he only did what he thought was best for the country.

Yeah... :3

Edited by Kitten, 16 November 2008 - 05:55 PM.

[Dormin]

What do you guys think about the Israel lobby? To be honest,I believe Obama would be supporting Palestine & compromise with both of them better & not one-sided (with Israel) if it wasn't for the lobbyists I reeeeaaaallly hope my country's next president could convince him about changing his opinions towards the peace for the Mideast. oh,BTW I'm not trying to be anti-semit here.

Alive and kicking ( Isreal Lobby) Rahm Emanuel is Obama's White House chief of staff, is the son os israelis.

Im for once really hopful that Obama will make a diffrance in the middle east. I know everyone are now busy with the crisis and all but we need the US to make this peace thing work, so don't forget about us!

[Kamina-Yoshi]

Alive and kicking ( Isreal Lobby) Rahm Emanuel is Obama's White House chief of staff, is the son os israelis.

Im for once really hopful that Obama will make a diffrance in the middle east. I know everyone are now busy with the crisis and all but we need the US to make this peace thing work, so don't forget about us!

Don't worry, Dormin. We'll never forget you. :]