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[Luna]

 

Hello i want to ask how come you deleted all your fanfics at fanfiction.com? I miss reading your draco x hermione fic some fics you wrote were hilarious.

 

I still have but i changed accounts because of reasons. Don't know if' I'll repost them but more stories to come. LiquidBloom is my new acc.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

They are both kitten in different ways. At least Naruto puts in a little effort. Sasuke neglects the kitten out of his family and that's way worse. Some SS fan tried to tell me that the only reason Sasuke is never in the village is because of his guilt of what he did to the village, but that would mean he thinks so little of his wife and child.

 

Boruto is pretty terrible. I do actually like Sarada and would like her more if she was Karin's daughter because then you could have the Uzumaki angle.

Funny thing is that if Sasuke REALLY felt guilty, then he would be IN the village and actively trying to help it prosper and such. Not being there only shows that he doesn't care and/or is too scared to be there because most people with common sense would now hate his guts.

[tricksie]

Funny thing is that if Sasuke REALLY felt guilty, then he would be IN the village and actively trying to help it prosper and such. Not being there only shows that he doesn't care and/or is too scared to be there because most people with common sense would now hate his guts.

Right - And that shows that Sasuke gave up his character motivation as well. he's not rebuilding his clan. And he's not out supporting Taka. He's just a lone nin. And anywhere other than Konoha would see him as a criminal! So he's wanted everywhere else he goes. 

 

Just like all the rest of them, his story makes no sense in the end.

[rikakim94]

 

I still have but i changed accounts because of reasons. Don't know if' I'll repost them but more stories to come. LiquidBloom is my new acc.

 

You should repost it was good and funny i liked your sex therapy story regarding hermione and draco it was hilarious. Are you planning to write a rewrite of draco and hermiones relationship in your au fics? Cause i dont like how jk rowling made draco a bad guy and a loser all the time just so harry and ron can look better And she tryed too hard to justify the unstable relationship of ron and hermione in which i kinda dont like now.

[Luna]

 

You should repost it was good and funny i liked your sex therapy story regarding hermione and draco it was hilarious. Are you planning to write a rewrite of draco and hermiones relationship in your au fics? Cause i dont like how jk rowling made draco a bad guy and a loser all the time just so harry and ron can look better And she tryed too hard to justify the unstable relationship of ron and hermione in which i kinda dont like now.

I have so many stuff to say about HP LOL.

 

Some main stuff:

 I actually like Harry and on some level I still think he and Hermione was better suited.

Ron is trash and I will forever dislike him.

I think Hermione and Draco could've been great too. They could've done the whole star-crossed lovers thing and it would've been successful.

Edited by Luna, 17 October 2018 - 11:27 PM.

[RulesofNature]

Funny thing is that if Sasuke REALLY felt guilty, then he would be IN the village and actively trying to help it prosper and such. Not being there only shows that he doesn't care and/or is too scared to be there because most people with common sense would now hate his guts.

 

You know if Sasuke WERE to try rebuilding his clan after all the stuff he's done, it would probably require Konoha actually admitting to their role in the massacre. And we all know the truth about the matter is kept hidden "for the good of the village." Instead, Sasuke leaves to do black ops for Naruto's administration. The same admin that allowed Orochimaru to go free and do human experimentation because Naruto is prepping for the space war.

 

Just... what happened to you Naruto? What happened to letting go of hatred or changing the system?

[totherpage95]

https://youtu.be/8jRiEtY65nE

never gets old

[jak123]

I have so many stuff to say about HP LOL.

 

Some main stuff:

 I actually like Harry and on some level I still think he and Hermione was better suited.

Ron is trash and I will forever dislike him.

I think Hermione and Draco could've been great too. They could've done the whole star-crossed lovers thing and it would've been successful.

Rowling was going to have the ending be Harry/Hermione, but she got lazy. She admitted that herself. They would have still dated the Weasley siblings, but when they are on the run after Ron abandons them, they were supposed to realize their feelings for each other and get together.

[rikakim94]

I have so many stuff to say about HP LOL.

 

Some main stuff:

 I actually like Harry and on some level I still think he and Hermione was better suited.

Ron is trash and I will forever dislike him.

I think Hermione and Draco could've been great too. They could've done the whole star-crossed lovers thing and it would've been successful.

 

To me i find harry potter overated now and i hate how its trying to make a big comeback and be relevent like back in the days. I wish harry potter would just disappear forever kinda like boruto and naruto series. To me harry potter wasn't that that great it had unique world building but proper character growth, one dimentional villian, rushed pairings and etc is the problem.

 

I agree that dramione would have been interesting and ron could have been written to be a better friend and yeah harmonie i do see the appeal for it.

 

Rowling was going to have the ending be Harry/Hermione, but she got lazy. She admitted that herself. They would have still dated the Weasley siblings, but when they are on the run after Ron abandons them, they were supposed to realize their feelings for each other and get together.

 

I think rowling just realized that now but not when she was actually writing the 7th book at the time I think she was trying to justify ron and hermione pair even if she kept making them bicker to death. 

[Moon_Girl]

NH and SS were sister ships until the ending. Now they hate each other because they never really shipped the other. Only as a means to their ship. 
The absolute, undeniable truth is...

...Both ships suck and on top of that, Naruto and Sasuke are both terrible fathers. 
They should just agree on that, tbh. 

[Nostradamus]

NH and SS were sister ships until the ending. Now they hate each other because they never really shipped the other. Only as a means to their ship. 
The absolute, undeniable truth is...

...Both ships suck and on top of that, Naruto and Sasuke are both terrible fathers. 
They should just agree on that, tbh. 

But they can't since they're to obsessed with their fantasies to acknowledge everything that's wrong with "Naruto".

[Luna]

NH and SS were sister ships until the ending. Now they hate each other because they never really shipped the other. Only as a means to their ship. 
The absolute, undeniable truth is...

...Both ships suck and on top of that, Naruto and Sasuke are both terrible fathers. 
They should just agree on that, tbh. 

 

 

Sarada fans vs Boruto fans threads are amusing. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

 

Sarada fans vs Boruto fans threads are amusing. 

 

Sounds like one of those kinds of threads you'd wanna sit down with some popcorn and soda to be able to get a few laughs and watch the madness

[Phantom_999]

NH and SS were sister ships until the ending. Now they hate each other because they never really shipped the other. Only as a means to their ship. 
The absolute, undeniable truth is...

...Both ships suck and on top of that, Naruto and Sasuke are both terrible fathers. 
They should just agree on that, tbh. 

 

That is the truth!!!! But again that THING is Not Naruto, it is a $#% slave to Hinata Hyuga-hime called Nardo Scumzamaki  nothing can make me say different  

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 October 2018 - 03:54 PM.

[Nate River]

So my theory is he made the decision at some point to end the story on NH, but never changed the manga to reflect that until the end. So he kept all the NS scenes, the love letter dude, Sakura and Minato's dialogue, both Naruto and Sakura saving each other...all that stuff. Then after "The True End," he started really moving towards NH. My guess is that the relationship stuff was going to end with Naruto and Sasuke's near deaths, only to have the rest of the plot be about the two of them fighting together, then fighting each other. Then being saved. And the epilogue would have been the surprise ending of Naruto with Sakura and Sasuke with Karin. (Not NH.)

Ive been reluctant to make a theory on this because there is no way anything can be proven. No on believe anything Kishimoto says and many of the theories presumed some sense of logic and cohension from an author many of us argue or have argued he doesnt possess. I think it could have come much earlier than most, but I dont know and at this point, dont really care. The rational for the ending matters less to me than the fact that he did it.

For what its worth, I do very much agree than he planned to end the manga much sooner than he did. This reason is also part of why Im not sure there is some grand theory behind what he did. Everything after Pain is very seat-of-your pants and there seems to be no plan other than Naruto v. Sasuke at the end. Maybe he really planned his titular character to become rudderless, reactionary, and to have no discernible purpose for several arcs, but I doubt it. So, I guess I do have some theory: he made it up as he went along with no serious plan other than they fight and I gotta set up a sequel.
 

Totally lost opportunity. Sasuke had his own team, his own love interest. These outsiders who were not quite bad but not quite good. It was the perfect fit. Instead, Sasuke's a loner and a deadbeat dad. It makes his time spent with Taka and bringing them back in the end just pointless.

I disagree. Sasuke even forming his own team made no sense given his motivations. Sasuke forming bonds and reforming via them would have made even less sense given his motivations and drive to complete them. What would Taka have driven him to do....they seemed to possess no independent motiviations or drive to do anything on their own. They just kinda followed him around. Karin chronicled his descent into darkness, but none of them brought anything out or new for his character. I guess they could be wondering hobos? But Sasuke could do that alone.

He also tried to murder one and abandoned the other two and they returned out of some sense of loyalty. I guess. I think Taka never should have been formed and everything surrounding them from a literary standpoint was a complete disaster. They suck and I wish they had never been introduced. And as awful as SS is...SK is the same problem on steroids.

Hey kids, let me tell about the time I left your mom to die on the forest floor.

In fact, their entire reconciliation pisses me off because it such bull crap. He abandoned them and they came back, virtually no questions asked. It wasnt even coincidental or out of revenge for what he did. They sought him out to rejoin and help him without a second thought. Isnt this kind of nonsense one of the core reasons Part 2 Sasuke blows so hard? That no matter what he does no one is willing to say F-you, Im outta here. Carving out a life with them doesnt seem functionally different than benign allowed back with open arms. Its the same basic problem: accountability is for chumps.

Him going on with them only makes sense semblance of sense if the manga decides that he was beyond redemption (as the manga saw it) and/or his crimes meant he could never return. We know from Obito that Naruto unlikely believes that anyone is beyond redemption no matter the crime. That was never going to happen because Naruto would have viewed it as a failure. Sasuke was going to be redeemed and he was going to return eventually.

Id have loved for Naruto to have been forced to actually confront he complexies of his path rather than just waiving him wand and redeeming them, but unless Kishimoto was willing to write or mixed ending (as opposed to the hero obtaining his goals) this would be impossible.

EDIT: As for the father thing, Naruto is unquestionably better for one simple reason: Hes there. My line of work puts in contact with families where Dad takes off or is spending years in prison. Ive definitely gotten the impression thatd they would prefer a poor dad to no dad at all. It would be different if he were abusive, but hes just a workaholic who isnt there enough. I think it beats the tar out of a dad who was AWOL for 12 years. Saradas crisis in gaiden doesnt occur if Sasuke even makes token efforts.

This gets skirted over because Sasuke seems to have a superior relationship with Sarada now that hes back and Boruto still has dad issues, but thats just what we see on paper. They could flap their arms and fly if the author wrote it. So, objectively speaking, I think Naruto is better.

I think is also a consequence of just the terrible portayal Naruto gets. Narutos issues with Boruto are unstandable and relatable....if portrayed well. Its not however, because we know so little about Narutos end of it other than he works and isnt there for reasons that seem really OOC for the guy we saw in the original series. Instead, they both come across as brats and kitten.

[Moon_Girl]

The Hinata wanking never ends. They're making a figure of her in her wedding outfit. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The Hinata wanking never ends. They're making a figure of her in her wedding outfit. 

 

X_X Good God...

[hisaberpie]

The Hinata wanking never ends. They're making a figure of her in her wedding outfit. 

 

Oh no...

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

The Hinata wanking never ends. They're making a figure of her in her wedding outfit. 

Quick! Someone hire a different company to make a figure of Hinatatas tripping and kissing the ground!

[tricksie]

Ive been reluctant to make a theory on this because there is no way anything can be proven. No on believe anything Kishimoto says and many of the theories presumed some sense of logic and cohension from an author many of us argue or have argued he doesnt possess. I think it could have come much earlier than most, but I dont know and at this point, dont really care. The rational for the ending matters less to me than the fact that he did it.

 

For what its worth, I do very much agree than he planned to end the manga much sooner than he did. This reason is also part of why Im not sure there is some grand theory behind what he did. Everything after Pain is very seat-of-your pants and there seems to be no plan other than Naruto v. Sasuke at the end. Maybe he really planned his titular character to become rudderless, reactionary, and to have no discernible purpose for several arcs, but I doubt it. So, I guess I do have some theory: he made it up as he went along with no serious plan other than they fight and I gotta set up a sequel.

Kishi's full o' crap as far as his excuses go. So it's absolutely all conjecture on the part of the reader about what he was thinking/planning, if he was at all. I just keep going back over the whole plot, to when it was cohesive — Part 1 through the end of the Pain arc. And all I come up with is that he must have had a really great editor, someone who helped him shine as the artist and concept creator. It wasn't the llustration or dialogue that drew readers. It was in the air-tight characters, their motivations and their follow through. The whole thing was good. After Pain, it unravels. There are moments of surprise or good writing (like his parents' flashback). But after Pain, the whole thing starts to slide. No more fully realized characters, no cohesive development or follow through. Even in someone like Obito, whose identity was hinted at from the beginning. It still fell flat. I think Kishi was just looking to wrap things up as quickly and easily as possible in the end. And the most proof to me is how he talks about the characters in interviews. You can just hear how he doesn't really care anymore. We thought we were going to get a crazy awesome tie-it-all-together ending...but he was just phoning it in.

 

I disagree. Sasuke even forming his own team made no sense given his motivations. Sasuke forming bonds and reforming via them would have made even less sense given his motivations and drive to complete them. What would Taka have driven him to do....they seemed to possess no independent motiviations or drive to do anything on their own. They just kinda followed him around. Karin chronicled his descent into darkness, but none of them brought anything out or new for his character. I guess they could be wondering hobos? But Sasuke could do that alone.

He also tried to murder one and abandoned the other two and they returned out of some sense of loyalty. I guess. I think Taka never should have been formed and everything surrounding them from a literary standpoint was a complete disaster. They suck and I wish they had never been introduced. And as awful as SS is...SK is the same problem on steroids.

Hey kids, let me tell about the time I left your mom to die on the forest floor.

Haha - I forgot you can't stand Taka!   And you're right. They're weak. Honestly, I feel like there was a purpose for them that was never followed through. Like a storyline for Sasuke that was abandoned. And with it, all hope of purpose for them being in the plot. They seemed to be a band of morally ambiguous misfits, a not-quite-akatsuki, that would have been perfect for Sasuke's redemption arc at the end. A nice oddball Not-Team-7 with whom Sasuke could ride off into the sunset and Naruto, Sakura, and the audience could forget about him. But yes, whereas it seems like SK might have been the parallel relationship at one time, therein lies the problem.... Uh yeah, he tries to kill her and them, and then there is no mending of that. They just pop up again at the end.

 

In fact, their entire reconciliation pisses me off because it such bull crap. He abandoned them and they came back, virtually no questions asked. It wasnt even coincidental or out of revenge for what he did. They sought him out to rejoin and help him without a second thought. Isnt this kind of nonsense one of the core reasons Part 2 Sasuke blows so hard? That no matter what he does no one is willing to say F-you, Im outta here. Carving out a life with them doesnt seem functionally different than benign allowed back with open arms. Its the same basic problem: accountability is for chumps.

Him going on with them only makes sense semblance of sense if the manga decides that he was beyond redemption (as the manga saw it) and/or his crimes meant he could never return. We know from Obito that Naruto unlikely believes that anyone is beyond redemption no matter the crime. That was never going to happen because Naruto would have viewed it as a failure. Sasuke was going to be redeemed and he was going to return eventually.
 

Yeah - like everything else in the war arc, the fact that Taka show up again, apropos of nothing, makes zero sense. And Karin heals Sasuke and what does he do? Show here a speck of loyalty? Nope. He goes after Sakura. So yeah, they are useless in the war arc, and serve no purpose ever again in the story. Sasuke does not rejoin them. Whatever point they had in the plot is just gone. And not only are we robbed of liking them from part 1 (or not liking them  ), now we just hate them for not standing up to him. And then...no one does! Not Sakura, not Naruto, not Kakashi. No one. 

Id have loved for Naruto to have been forced to actually confront he complexies of his path rather than just waiving him wand and redeeming them, but unless Kishimoto was willing to write or mixed ending (as opposed to the hero obtaining his goals) this would be impossible.

I won't go on about Naruto, cause I already have tons and tons, but it's such a disappointment that the main character doesn't have a clearly defined hero's journey, with leveling up of challenges, each greater than the last, with his final battle be determined by how well he uses the skills he has learned along the way. To me, it's like an unfinished story.

 

EDIT: As for the father thing, Naruto is unquestionably better for one simple reason: Hes there. My line of work puts in contact with families where Dad takes off or is spending years in prison. Ive definitely gotten the impression thatd they would prefer a poor dad to no dad at all. It would be different if he were abusive, but hes just a workaholic who isnt there enough. I think it beats the tar out of a dad who was AWOL for 12 years. Saradas crisis in gaiden doesnt occur if Sasuke even makes token efforts.

This gets skirted over because Sasuke seems to have a superior relationship with Sarada now that hes back and Boruto still has dad issues, but thats just what we see on paper. They could flap their arms and fly if the author wrote it. So, objectively speaking, I think Naruto is better.

I think is also a consequence of just the terrible portayal Naruto gets. Narutos issues with Boruto are unstandable and relatable....if portrayed well. Its not however, because we know so little about Narutos end of it other than he works and isnt there for reasons that seem really OOC for the guy we saw in the original series. Instead, they both come across as brats and assholes.

Yesssss. Even though the flashback with his parents came later in the series (after the Pain arc), it was so dang good it makes me think that old editor must have had a hand in it. It was so honest and heartfelt, and really lifted up the whole series. All I think about is how true it is — how much parents are capable of loving their child and that it really is a privilege — and that kids may not know or hear that. It was lovely to see it happen to Naruto. I think as readers we can't know the impact of something like that, with a series and character as popular around the world as Naruto is. So with Boruto, it feels like a missed opportunity to me. It could be about learning and overcoming, etc etc. But it seems like they just have chosen some storytelling tropes. Instead of making Naruto into a dad who'se still figuring it out, learning that he can't be a knucklehead and that he has to work at parenting. That would be a poignant twist to his character, that as an adult he has to learn about what he never had. I know it's trite, but I think it's a missed opportunity. Stories like this make connections, set examples. They mean something. They seem to have lost sight of that with Boruto.