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[Rocket]

The only thing I'm worried about is that DB tards will be all like "Naruto copied DBZ blahblahblah" and all that.

[CloudMountainJuror]

The only thing I'm worried about is that DB tards will be all like "Naruto copied DBZ blahblahblah" and all that.

Copied? Nooo, not from what I've seen so far And I'm a pretty big DBZ fan... I'm not sure if I'm classified as a tard or not, but still.

[Rocket]

Copied? Nooo, not from what I've seen so far And I'm a pretty big DBZ fan... I'm not sure if I'm classified as a tard or not, but still.

When I say DB tards I mean the die-hard DB fans who are completely hating /gets hit by tomato/ on Naruto and stuff.

Anyways, the whole inspiration of Son Goku/Yonbi has got nothing on me really. It's the DB fans.

[Hiraishin]

I thought we weren't getting a chapter this week! Nice Christmas present, though.

I'm pretty surprised they all have names... I wouldn't have expected that.
I gotta admit, I got pretty excited when I saw that the four-tails is called "Son Goku." I was just like, "An homage to Dragonball?!" I know it's inspired by Chinese mythology, too, of course.
Kurama... It's a nice name, but I think I prefer Kyuubi. I feel like it suits him better - and I'm more used to it, so.
Didn't expect Kyuubi to help Naruto, and I'm kind of glad he didn't~
Are they going to become "friends" soon!? Maybe not "soon," but in due time. I hope Kyuubi doesn't stop being kind of pissy. That personality suits him. xD

so Naruto could go into the cell chamber because he's a jinchuuriki.... Then what does that mean about Sasuke? Was he able to go inside Naruto just because of his eyes, or is he some type of jinchuuriki as well and he just doesn't know it? oh yeah - merry christmas, too!

That was actually the exact thing I was wondering when I read this chapter. Hopefully we get some answers... :\

I was expecting something more... I don't know, action-packed? this chapter, but this is pretty good, too. We got to learn a little bit of the Kyuubi and the other bijuu. I hope we get to find out the others' names, too.
Kurama seemed bitter. D: Poor guy, I feel kind of bad for him.
Hopefully we get another chapter soon! <3 This doesn't seem like an awesome-enough chapter to end the year with.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 27 December 2011 - 05:15 AM.

[Fenris]

When I say DB tards I mean the die-hard DB fans who are completely hating /gets hit by tomato/ on Naruto and stuff.

Anyways, the whole inspiration of Son Goku/Yonbi has got nothing on me really. It's the DB fans.

Exactly.
It irks me when people say that stuff.

[Darth Krypt]

Names from Japanese mangas are always inspired by mythology. Amaterasu is the sun god. Susanoo is the god of the sea. Tsukuyomi is god of the moon. All 3 are brothers whose father is Izanagi. Even the nine-tails is a demon fox capable of shape-shifting. To say Naruto copied DB is wrong. It is safe to say that DB used ideas from mythologies just like most mangas do. And this has absolutely nothing to do with NS. It has no link at all.

Edited by Darth Krypt, 27 December 2011 - 05:26 AM.

[Rocket]

Where the hell did this "link to NS" come from anyway? ._.

[Fenris]

Names from Japanese mangas are always inspired by mythology. Amaterasu is the sun god. Susanoo is the god of the sea. Tsukuyomi is god of the moon. All 3 are brothers whose father is Izanagi. Even the nine-tails is a demon fox capable of shape-shifting. To say Naruto copied DB is wrong. It is safe to say that DB used ideas from mythologies just like most mangas do. And this has absolutely nothing to do with NS. It has no link at all.

THANK YOU. /saves for future reference. And Amaterasu.... I suppose Kishi copied the Japanese game Okami, too. Cause everyone knows the wolf's name is Amaterasu.. /Sarcasm folks, sarcasm.. I agree though, Darth. I completely agree

Where the hell did this "link to NS" come from anyway? ._.

Cause people think Kishi will copy some stuff Chichi i have no idea okay I never read into the relationships of DBZ. All I know is Chichi is a tsundere.

Edited by Fenris, 27 December 2011 - 05:52 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

I suppose Kishi copied the Japanese game Okami, too. Cause everyone knows the wolf's name is Amaterasu..

I LOVE that game. One of the best games to ever grace the PS2. And yeah even the main villain of that game is Nine-Tails.

[ciardha]

Names from Japanese mangas are always inspired by mythology. Amaterasu is the sun god. Susanoo is the god of the sea. Tsukuyomi is god of the moon. All 3 are brothers whose father is Izanagi.

No, Amaterasu is the sun Goddess. Tsukiyomi's gender changes over time, she begins as a goddess, then becomes an androgynous appearing male and in fact can switch gender. Izanagi and Izanami are the parents of all early gods. Izanami "dies" giving birth to a fire god, then becomes not just the goddess of creation but also of death (similar to the Hindu Goddess Shiva is goddess of both death and rebirth- minus the destructive element. But as her death goddess aspect Izanami has a zombie-like appearance. She was so repellant in that aspect that Izanagi fled from her presence.

Tsukiyomi isn't the only switch gender androgynous god/goddess the fox god/goddess Inari is another. In the earliest versions of the myths Inari is a trickster goddess, but later versions of Inari's myth give an additional male aspect. In feudal Japan, illegitimate children where the mother could not identify a father were seen children of Inari, and were discriminated against and feared as partly magical. Some of those children were later adopted into Shinto shrines became Shinto priests and priestesses.

Edited by ciardha, 27 December 2011 - 12:41 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

^^
Sorry, it slipped my mind that Amaterasu is a goddess. As for the rest, I didn't bother with the details. My point is not to give a lesson on Japanese mythology. It's just that Japanese story tellers incorporates these ideas into their stories, especially for the fantasy genre. To say one mangaka steals the idea of another when in fact it originates from their very own culture in the first place is absurd. That's all.

[Mr Horrible]

Names from Japanese mangas are always inspired by mythology. Amaterasu is the sun god. Susanoo is the god of the sea. Tsukuyomi is god of the moon. All 3 are brothers whose father is Izanagi. Even the nine-tails is a demon fox capable of shape-shifting. To say Naruto copied DB is wrong. It is safe to say that DB used ideas from mythologies just like most mangas do. And this has absolutely nothing to do with NS. It has no link at all.

Does Naruto heavily draw from Japanese folklore and Buddhism? Yes. However this is not an instance of doing so, it is clearly a reference to DB, as evidenced by Kyuubi's name likely coming from YYH (there is also a folklore origin for it), also note the Jinchuuriki of the Yonbi (Son Goku) is named Roshi.

[harry4e]

Why are we having a discussion on this? Let's not forget, the design and charactoristics of Naruto himself was influenced by DragonBall, as is most battle manga's in Jump. The name Son Goku was probably a nod to the DragonballZ franchise, but the original folklore was not ignored, and was influenced in it's design, same way as Kurama is a nod to the Yu Yu Hakusho, a spirit fox who merged with an unborn baby (According to Wiki, never read the manga)...Not dissimilar to Naruto.

We've seen influence on Japanese folklore and older Manga in Naruto before so it's not really surprising if we see it pop up again.

Edit: I just realised that Yu Yu Hoyoko is created by the same person behind Hunter X Hunter. I've never read that either, but my friend used to swear that early part of Naruto were a blatent rip off of HxH, with the exams for promotion, and the way Gon behaved and the rival with the eyes who is the last surviving member of his clan.

Edited by harry4e, 27 December 2011 - 05:22 PM.

[Strangelove]

Did some research. The character Son Goku is really modeled after Journey to the West, a Chinese 16th century novel.

In the novel, one of the main protagonist Son Wukong is called the King of Apes. Or something to that effect.

http://tvtropes.org/...ourneyToTheWest

Edited by Strangelove, 27 December 2011 - 07:14 PM.

[ciardha]

^^
Sorry, it slipped my mind that Amaterasu is a goddess. As for the rest, I didn't bother with the details. My point is not to give a lesson on Japanese mythology.

I think that is important, remember the mangaka are coming from the background of knowing and manipulating that mythology. It helps understanding what you are reading on a deeper level.

[James S Cassidy]

Why can't we just say the reference is a little of both? Sure it is a reference to DBZ, but where did that reference come from? Japanese folklore

[merryGOflava]

so anyway ............kurama is the same name for that one fox-dude in yuyu hakusho huh?

i wonder if kurama is some fox name? XD

its cool!

i bet once naruto calls kurama by his name, he will finally trust naruto

[Mr Horrible]

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so Naruto could go into the cell chamber because he's a jinchuuriki.... Then what does that mean about Sasuke? Was he able to go inside Naruto just because of his eyes, or is he some type of jinchuuriki as well and he just doesn't know it? oh yeah - merry christmas, too!

/late.

Remember in this chapter Madara claimed the Sharingan gave power over all tailed beasts, rather than just the Kyuubi.

I'd hope proper sealing techniques would keep Sasuke out or make anything he does useless.

Why are we having a discussion on this? Let's not forget, the design and charactoristics of Naruto himself was influenced by DragonBall, as is most battle manga's in Jump. The name Son Goku was probably a nod to the DragonballZ franchise, but the original folklore was not ignored, and was influenced in it's design, same way as Kurama is a nod to the Yu Yu Hakusho, a spirit fox who merged with an unborn baby (According to Wiki, never read the manga)...Not dissimilar to Naruto.

We've seen influence on Japanese folklore and older Manga in Naruto before so it's not really surprising if we see it pop up again.

Edit: I just realised that Yu Yu Hoyoko is created by the same person behind Hunter X Hunter. I've never read that either, but my friend used to swear that early part of Naruto were a blatent rip off of HxH, with the exams for promotion, and the way Gon behaved and the rival with the eyes who is the last surviving member of his clan.

Sure, it's just seems much more likely to be a homage to DB while remembering Journey to the West.

[FoolishYoungling]

When the next chapter coming out?

[Fyuria'sLeo]

When the next chapter coming out?

Wait and find out.