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[StrikerTheNoble]

 

I don't understand what putting a man and a woman in a gladiator colloseum has anything to do with the day to day issues in our society. It goes back to the whole, if we're looking at the extreme ends of a curve and creating a scenario for that this would be the outcome. Most of us are screwed against gladiators, male or female. If we're taking the best gladiators in the world and putting them in a specific situation where everything is controlled for--weapons, skill, etc, then what? The fact that a man walks out alive means no woman should be a gladiator? There are sex based differences. However, they're exaggerated because again--more likely to have differences between men. You put two people in a gladiator pit and have a duel to the death, if both of them are men one of them is still going to die. It's just more probable that in a match between a man and a woman, the man will win(?) 

 

Men are also frequently telling women that they're not good mothers if they're career women. Men are actually a lot worse with gender policing than women are--it's the fathers moreso than the mothers enforcing gender roles, especially on their sons. Threats against masculinity are coded in common phrases "don't be a pussy" "that's so gay" "you throw like a girl" "no h***". The pervasive sexism in society, and the belittlement of femininity in favour of masculinity, effects both genders. You can make it a he said she said thing, but really it's a more universal issue. When we say males are priveleged, it's because they're the designated ideal. Doesn't mean men benefit. On the contrary, it doesn't allow for a healthier mode of thought to flourish--the adrogyne. The best of both worlds. 

Ok ok Im gonna simplify the gladiator thing: If you take a random guy and random woman and have them fist fight to the death then I personaly belive that the man would win. I base this on the fact that violence against females is more dangerous than the other way around. Sure both are wrong but if we look at Brown and Rihanna then we see how these things end.

 

Also I dont know that much on the middle thing so I wont comment on it. What i will comment on is the fact that I belive there is nothing wrong for boy to be raised as manly (but not the the douchbag jock varriant) and women as feminine. Were males and females whats wrong with us acting our parts (as long as people dont get hurt)?

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 26 June 2014 - 08:21 PM.

[Qia]

@Striker Actually, just because a male is physically stronger than the female doesn't mean he has more of a chance of winning. Fighting isn't just about strength. If you can outsmart your opponent, then strength is no longer a huge factor. Basically, if  the woman knows how to fight or defend herself while the man doesn't, then she'll probably win no matter how small she is. In fact, an individual female CAN be physically stronger than a male.It all depends. 

 

And why must we live the way society believes males and females should live? Why can't we be ourselves? A man shouldn't be expected to be raised as "manly", and a woman shouldn't have to be raised as "feminine" (especially since there's no straight definition of both terms). For instance, I know how much that could actually destroy a person based on personal experience, a friend being called a "wuss" by his own father just because he's not that strong.  You just can't label a person based on their gender. Instead, people should be raised to do what's right...not to conform to society's standards. 

Edited by Qia, 26 June 2014 - 08:34 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

This debate started over a joke jutsu. One that only mildly distracted Kaguya for fifteen seconds, then she used her godlike power to put the fight back in her favor by separating Naruto and Sasuke. Her reaction didn't even look perverted in the first place, she had a confused "what the hell just happened" face when Naruto did that Jutsu. Anyone in a fight with Naruto would be taken aback by that move because it's over the top. When your in a life or death battle, you don't expect someone to turn into a naked person, since that would lead to feeling surprised, your guard is let down which leaves you open to an attack, which is why doing something unexpected (regardless of the method in question) is an effective strategy to begin with.

 

We'll most likely see Kaguya beating the crap out of Sasuke in the coming chapters.

[StrikerTheNoble]

@Striker Actually, just because a male is physically stronger than the female doesn't mean he has more of a chance of winning. Fighting isn't just about strength. If you can outsmart your opponent, then strength is no longer a huge factor. Basically, if  the woman knows how to fight or defend herself while the man doesn't, then she'll probably win no matter how small she is. In fact, an individual female CAN be physically stronger than a male.It all depends. 

 

And why must we live the way society believes males and females should live? Why can't we be ourselves? A man shouldn't be expected to be raised as "manly", and a woman shouldn't have to be raised as "feminine" (especially since there's no straight definition of both terms). For instance, I know how much that could actually destroy a person based on personal experience, a friend being called a "wuss" by his own father just because he's not that strong.  You just can't label a person based on their gender. Instead, people should be raised to do what's right...not to conform to society's standards. 

Well playing assassins creed made me realise that when during a fist fight your manouvering options are limited. The obvious exception would be one of the competetors knowing martial arts which are not common knowledge.

 

Well yea people should be raised to be good people. That should be no 1 on a parents to do list. What I was saying that it would be rediculus to excpect boys to act like girls and vice versa. Our former class alpha kitten had a baby brother who is metrosexual as kitten. He had to simulate a fight with another boy and he started a cat fight. Just saying theres nothing wrong with being raised to be tough. Its a trait that is infinetly useful in this world. I myself wish my dad was harder on me when I was a kid. Might have made my life as a firefighter easier if I had less fobias.

[KonaKonaFan]

I`m not gonna say that its alright. But most of what you said can be attributed to the way you were brought up. I assume you come from a christian family judging from what you wrote (correct me if I am wrong), and I have a friend that come from a hardcore christian home. I once almost dated his sister (ultimately decided against it). 

 

The way that I, and many, many other girls, were brought up was sexist. That's the point. It was sexist, dehumanizing, and, worst of all, normalized. The men in that community didn't experience that. Just the girls.

 

 

 

Look most what you wrote can be solved simply. Prove them wrong. You are being TOLD you are basicly worthless, which doesnt mean its true. The best you can do is ignore them, and prove them wrong.

 

I wish it were that easy. Change has never happened from ignoring oppressors. It sends the message that they aren't in the wrong. It is not me who needs to change. It is those who enforce oppression. Please don't tell people how to react to their oppressors.

 

 

 

 

When it comes to the clothing stuff... I can see your reasoning. But the street goes both ways on this one. Just as girl cant go around showing her ass or boobs a guy will get arrested in mere second if he even thinks about showing his dingdong in public. Dress codes have been around for ages and they suck for everyone. Take the 19th century fashion. Girls had to wear foot long dressses and hats etc. Well guys had to wear black suits with cilinders while growing big ass beards. By the time summer came around nobody was thinking in terms of feminism. Everybody was melting from the heat. 

 

The only thing that men have to cover up are their sexual organs. Females aren't granted the same courtesy, because they have to cover every body part that might tempt men. And before anyone says anything, boobs aren't sexual organs, they're mammary organs. 

 

 

 

As far as rape goes... yea most rapists are guys. Testosteron is way more unstable than estrogen. If a guy gets needy it can get messed up if you couple that with a lack of conciusness. In all probability rape by women could exist as well. If a girl had the means to subdue the guy and the motivation to do it.

 

Yes, but like you said, by far most rapists are men, which is incredibly telling.

 

 

 

About the lesbian porn thing... its simple. No straight guy on the planet is gonna get a kick out of two guys getting it on. Same as straight girls dont like yuri but might enjoy yaoi. Its al subjective

 

The mentality the men who enjoy lesbian porn but think homosexuality is gross is, "Gay people are bad unless they can please me!" It goes beyond sexual desire.

 

 

 

Im just gonna finnish with this. Women are told to take certain precaution against rape. But you mustnt forget something. Rapists are criminals with no sense of moral. So its not the male gender that you are taking precaution against its the psychos. Men have to do it too. You dont just go outside at 2 am all willy dilly carying 200 dollars cash and a hawaii T-shirt. you will get mugged or murder. You dont blame the gender of the criminal you blame the criminal. We all protect ourselves from those people. If by nothing else simply by locking the door. I could say I feel opressed by [insert group here] for having to so but ultimately I know one thing. If I dont take precaution against something than the unfortunate incident might just happen. As a firefighter im gonna tell you this: Prevention beats having to go on an emergency call any day. Here`s also a point on firefighting. This may not be the general situation but... we have plenty female firefighters. At least 10. There is a special rank called female members leader. Out off all those women 2-3 are actually active and usefull. The rest just kinda exist there showing off their annoying ass babies at any given chance. Its not a rule but it is the case at our firehouse.

 

The thing is, I don't have any idea who might and might not be a rapist. Every man who approaches me, no matter how nice he is or how charmed I am by him, becomes Schrodinger's Rapist. If he asks for my number, what is his biggest concern? Likely that I might have given him a fake number. What is my biggest concern? "I hope he doesn't stalk/murder/rape me." And, once again, any guy approaching me could be dangerous, because it's almost never immediately evident. Because of this, women have to take precautions against all men, no matter if they actually are dangerous or not. Telling women that oh, you did *insert rape-apologist argument here*, so you just weren't careful enough, is, not only normalizing rape and incredibly damaging to an already traumatized mind, but is simply untrue. Women have certain precautions instilled in them, that's why we can immediately tell if a guy is bothering another girl and quickly rush to her aide. There are phone apps, set-up fake numbers, social signals, A LOT of things that help prevent rape, but rape still happens. The same is not true for victims of mugging, so it is incomparable.

[Qia]

Well playing assassins creed made me realise that when during a fist fight your manouvering options are limited. The obvious exception would be one of the competetors knowing martial arts which are not common knowledge.

 

Well yea people should be raised to be good people. That should be no 1 on a parents to do list. What I was saying that it would be rediculus to excpect boys to act like girls and vice versa. Our former class alpha b*tch had a baby brother who is metrosexual as kitten. He had to simulate a fight with another boy and he started a cat fight. Just saying theres nothing wrong with being raised to be tough. Its a trait that is infinetly useful in this world. I myself wish my dad was harder on me when I was a kid. Might have made my life as a firefighter easier if I had less phobias.

 

Umm using a video game as a point to your argument probably isn't the best thing to do because it doesn't prove your argument very well. Fighting isn't just throwing punches and hoping you land one. You don't have to know martial arts to win a fist fight either. 

 

Now...I have a question for you because I'm genuinely confused and wish to know the answer. How does one, exactly, act their gender? If a guy decides to wear eye liner for example, or if he's weaker than a girl because she's just physically stronger than him (and that's possible), is he no longer a man? Why should we expect someone to act the way society says they should just because they are male or female? Why can't we just expect them to be themselves as long as no one gets hurt (i.e they do the right thing). And you're right there's nothing wrong being raised as a tough person and I never said there was. But why should one gender be raised one way and the other another? Why can't girls be raised to be tough, too? I'm sorry to hear about your regret, but life happens, right? If you wish to be a fire fighter that badly, why not try to overcome them by getting help? Maybe it's not so much that your dad raised you wrong. Maybe you just have to try...and that's something a parent can't teach you how to do. 

Edited by Qia, 26 June 2014 - 09:15 PM.

[KonaKonaFan]

@Striker There is something wrong with being raised tough if it is presented as your only option. If a boy has feminine traits and a girl has masculine ones, who cares? 

[StrikerTheNoble]

 

 

 

The way that I, and many, many other girls, were brought up was sexist. That's the point. It was sexist, dehumanizing, and, worst of all, normalized. The men in that community didn't experience that. Just the girls.

 

 

I wish it were that easy. Change has never happened from ignoring oppressors. It sends the message that they aren't in the wrong. It is not me who needs to change. It is those who enforce oppression. Please don't tell people how to react to their oppressors.

 

 

 

The only thing that men have to cover up are their sexual organs. Females aren't granted the same courtesy, because they have to cover every body part that might tempt men. And before anyone says anything, boobs aren't sexual organs, they're mammary organs. 

 

 

Yes, but like you said, by far most rapists are men, which is incredibly telling.

 

 

The mentality the men who enjoy lesbian porn but think homosexuality is gross is, "Gay people are bad unless they can please me!" It goes beyond sexual desire.

 

 

The thing is, I don't have any idea who might and might not be a rapist. Every man who approaches me, no matter how nice he is or how charmed I am by him, becomes Schrodinger's Rapist. If he asks for my number, what is his biggest concern? Likely that I might have given him a fake number. What is my biggest concern? "I hope he doesn't stalk/murder/rape me." And, once again, any guy approaching me could be dangerous, because it's almost never immediately evident. Because of this, women have to take precautions against all men, no matter if they actually are dangerous or not. Telling women that oh, you did *insert rape-apologist argument here*, so you just weren't careful enough, is, not only normalizing rape and incredibly damaging to an already traumatized mind, but is simply untrue. Women have certain precautions instilled in them, that's why we can immediately tell if a guy is bothering another girl and quickly rush to her aide. There are phone apps, set-up fake numbers, social signals, A LOT of things that help prevent rape, but rape still happens. The same is not true for victims of mugging, so it is incomparable.

 

So I was right. Christian home. Look the whole society doesnt do that. Just heavy duty theist who still follow ways that are beyond ancient.

 

Second please... you are so overusing and missusing the word opresssor. You`ve been raised a certain way. It happened, its sad, fair enough. But oppression is far more aggresive than that. You are not shuned, there is no clear law stating you have to follow the commands of said oppressors. You are in terms of really loose definitions not being opressed. Yes you were mentaly conditions to believe in your inferiority but thats more long term manipulation than full on oppression. Just look at WWII jewish communites or pre equality african americans and tell me that women in the western world had it as bad. Also I am not entirely sure what you want here. You say you wish to be equal but you do not wish to succeed in life. Im sorry but if prooving your oppressors wrong by being succesful in life is changing than id rather not as what you do currently.

+ If simply ignoring the opressors helps a huge deal than its not oprresion. Its organised bullying.

 

Well what else is there to cover up? The ass? We cant show that aswell. + Horny rapist guy that sees boobs is not going to care one bit what their classification is.

 

I think you had my point on the lesbian thing wrong. Straight males like girls. One girl is awesome. Two girls even better (might be sexist but I read a post on the net somewhere and it just made sense). And if you are going to watch porn featuring 2 girls you have 2 options. Either insert a guy and have a treasome. But then its another guy doing it and you are just kinda meh. But lesbian sex features no dingdongs except your own and that is why some/plenty guys find it attractive. (Derived from the one sausage per phantasy rule).

 

Yes but there is a method to these things. I know its not my place to say this but heres some quick tips how to avoid or spot a rapist.

- The bloke tries to pick you up at a bar or nightclub. Hes drunk you might be drunk it will end badly. So dont let him. ( kinda read this sentense in Judge Judy`s voice).

- Here`s a trick i learned during my old stalker days (long story dont ask, nobody was hurn or inconvenienced in any way). See if I follow somebody for any reason than my walking speed is going to adapt authomaticly to theirs (its a reflex comes in handy). So if you feel as if someone is following you try to change walk speed and listen to his foot steps or just randomly use the crossroads.

- Don`t use heels. They are unconfortable, if you arent looking to pickup guys they arent functional so whats the point. It just makes you slower.

 

Im not trying to tell what to do but street rapists are somewhat not all that covert.

 

 

Umm using a video game as a point to your argument probably isn't the best thing to do because it doesn't prove your point very well. Fighting isn't just throwing punches and hoping you land one. You don't have to know martial arts to win a fist fight either. 

 

Now...I have a question for you because I'm genuinely confused and wish to know the answer. How does one, exactly, act their gender? If a guy decides to wear eye liner for example, or if he's weaker than a girl because she's just physically stronger than him (and that's possible), is he no longer a man? Why should we expect someone to act the way society says they should just because they are male or female? Why can't we just expect them to be themselves as long as no one gets hurt (i.e they do the right thing). And you're right there's nothing wrong being raised as a tough person and I never said there was. But why should one gender be raised one way and the other another? Why can't girls be raised to be tough, too? I'm sorry to hear about your regret, but life happens, right? If you wish to be a fire fighter that badly, why not try to overcome them by getting help? Maybe it's not so much that your dad raised you wrong. Maybe you just have to try...and that's something a parent can't teach you how to do. 

 

Yea but if the match is so equal then why is it a problem when a guy beats a woman (for the sake of argument lets say she had it comming) and alright when a woman does it to a man.

 

First of I actually am a firefighter. 1 year from full operational duty. Be advised were valunteers. I just wish I wasnt afraid of hights. I can absail like a boss if i am not in a space too open.

 

Second. If the kid is feminie by nature then fine. If a girl is a tomboy... perfect (because tomboys are my type, dont like girly girls al that much). The problem arises when one parent tells the other, no you cant tell him that because that will make him [insert boyish thing here]. The old saying boys will be boys and girls will be girls is a decent guideline. Put a kid on a playground see what he does. But dont change him because its the latest parental trend. Like the self-esteem movement. That is the most rediculous thing imaginable. I wont go into details why but its purely retarded. 

@Striker There is something wrong with being raised tough if it is presented as your only option. If a boy has feminine traits and a girl has masculine ones, who cares? 

Exactly who cares. I didnt say it was obligatory I said there was nothing wrong with it. If the kids metro fine. Just dont force him to be metro. Thats the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now I am going to ask something kinda random.

 

Why is the feminist movement that has achieved 85% of its goals so strong and powerful and yet the people who in the western world are actually opressed have such a low support rate. I am talking about the LGBT community. They cant be who they are, they cant marry, they cant have kids. Why are they receievening so little support?

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 26 June 2014 - 09:22 PM.

[Qia]

 

Yea but if the match is so equal then why is it a problem when a guy beats a woman (for the sake of argument lets say she had it coming) and alright when a woman does it to a man.

 

First of I actually am a firefighter. 1 year from full operational duty. Be advised were volunteers. I just wish I wasnt afraid of hights. I can absail like a boss if i am not in a space too open.

 

Second. If the kid is feminie by nature then fine. If a girl is a tomboy... perfect (because tomboys are my type, dont like girly girls al that much). The problem arises when one parent tells the other, no you cant tell him that because that will make him [insert boyish thing here]. The old saying boys will be boys and girls will be girls is a decent guideline. Put a kid on a playground see what he does. But dont change him because its the latest parental trend. Like the self-esteem movement. That is the most rediculous thing imaginable. I wont go into details why but its purely retarded. 

 

Now I am going to ask something kinda random.

 

Why is the feminist movement that has achieved 85% of its goals so strong and powerful and yet the people who in the western world are actually oppressed have such a low support rate. I am talking about the LGBT community. They cant be who they are, they cant marry, they cant have kids. Why are they receiving so little support?

But it's not right for a woman to beat a man or a man to beat a woman? Of course there are going to be people that don't think that way, unfortunately, because of gender double standards. But I believe violence against anyone is wrong, regardless of gender. 

 

Well if you no longer wish to have that phobia then I believe it's possible to get help to overcome it? 

 

And...okay then. 

 

Well, how do you think it was like for the feminists when they decided that they were going to fight for what they believe was right? Do you think they had a lot of support at the start? At least people are slowly becoming accepting of the LGBT community, but, as human beings, we tend to naturally fight against change. And while the feminist movement has managed to accomplish a few things, there are still problems that need to be solved. So I can't really say it's solved 85% of its goals.  

Edited by Qia, 26 June 2014 - 09:57 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

But it's not right for a woman to beat a man or a man to beat a woman? Of course there are going to be people that don't think that way, unfortunately, because of gender double standards. But I believe violence against anyone is wrong, regardless of gender. 

 

Well if you no longer wish to have that phobia then I believe it's possible to get help to overcome it? 

 

And...okay then. 

 

Well, how do you think it was like for the feminists when they decided that they were going to fight for what they believe was right? Do you think they had a lot of support at the start? At least people are slowly becoming accepting of the LGBT community, but, as human beings, we tend to naturally fight against change. And while the feminist movement has managed to accomplish a few things, there are still problems that need to be solved. So I can't really say it's solved 85% of its goals.  

It is. But if we look back at the video where to actors pretend to have a fight on the street I think the evidence is pretty clear.

 

 

Look we are not going to agree. You are claiming that a woman with not special training is as strong as a man which is something I just can not accept. So I am going to leave this partcular topic before I end up saying something stupid.

[KonaKonaFan]

So I was right. Christian home. Look the whole society doesnt do that. Just heavy duty theist who still follow ways that are beyond ancient.

 

 

 

Yes, society does that. I am, right here, telling you, as a female, SOCIETY DOES THIS.

 

 

Second please... you are so overusing and missusing the word opresssor. You`ve been raised a certain way. It happened, its sad, fair enough. But oppression is far more aggresive than that. You are not shuned, there is no clear law stating you have to follow the commands of said oppressors. You are in terms of really loose definitions not being opressed. Yes you were mentaly conditions to believe in your inferiority but thats more long term manipulation than full on oppression. Just look at WWII jewish communites or pre equality african americans and tell me that women in the western world had it as bad. Also I am not entirely sure what you want here. You say you wish to be equal but you do not wish to succeed in life. Im sorry but if prooving your oppressors wrong by being succesful in life is changing than id rather not as what you do currently.

+ If simply ignoring the opressors helps a huge deal than its not oprresion. Its organised bullying.

 

It is oppression. You think women haven't been shunned, murdered, and, yes, oppressed for being female? They have, and it's incredibly naive to claim they haven't. No, my feminism isn't exclusive to western-world women, it's for women in all corners of the world. And, like I said, ignoring them doesn't help. At all. In some cases, it makes it worse.

 

 

Well what else is there to cover up? The ass? We cant show that aswell. + Horny rapist guy that sees boobs is not going to care one bit what their classification is.

 

 

Ok, virtually no one cares about guy's asses. And don't treat rapists as if they're something that women can prevent. They can't.

 

 

 

I think you had my point on the lesbian thing wrong. Straight males like girls. One girl is awesome. Two girls even better (might be sexist but I read a post on the net somewhere and it just made sense). And if you are going to watch porn featuring 2 girls you have 2 options. Either insert a guy and have a treasome. But then its another guy doing it and you are just kinda meh. But lesbian sex features no dingdongs except your own and that is why some/plenty guys find it attractive. (Derived from the one sausage per phantasy rule).

 

There's nothing inherently wrong with finding lesbians attractive, as long as you don't impose that on actual lesbians, or women in general. The problem is if you proclaim how hot girl on girl is while saying how gross guy on guy is.

 

 

Yes but there is a method to these things. I know its not my place to say this but heres some quick tips how to avoid or spot a rapist.

- The bloke tries to pick you up at a bar or nightclub. Hes drunk you might be drunk it will end badly. So dont let him. ( kinda read this sentense in Judge Judy`s voice).

- Here`s a trick i learned during my old stalker days (long story dont ask, nobody was hurn or inconvenienced in any way). See if I follow somebody for any reason than my walking speed is going to adapt authomaticly to theirs (its a reflex comes in handy). So if you feel as if someone is following you try to change walk speed and listen to his foot steps or just randomly use the crossroads.

- Don`t use heels. They are unconfortable, if you arent looking to pickup guys they arent functional so whats the point. It just makes you slower.

 

Those aren't foolproof methods, and plenty of sober people are rapists. Heck, a lot of the time the rapist will be someone you know and trust. Also, I like heels. I love heels. I should be able to wear them without worrying about functionality or not.

 

 

 

Yea but if the match is so equal then why is it a problem when a guy beats a woman (for the sake of argument lets say she had it comming) and alright when a woman does it to a man.

 

She had it coming? What does that even mean? Excess violence isn't needed from anybody.

 

 

 

Just dont force him to be metro. Thats the issue.

 

That's... not actually an issue. People force boys to be tough, not "metro".

 

 

Now I am going to ask something kinda random.

 

Why is the feminist movement that has achieved 85% of its goals so strong and powerful and yet the people who in the western world are actually opressed have such a low support rate. I am talking about the LGBT community. They cant be who they are, they cant marry, they cant have kids. Why are they receievening so little support?

 

1. Feminists have not achieved 85% of its goals. Where did you get that from.

 

2. Feminists care more about the LGBT community more than any group I have ever seen. We are fighting for their rights too.

[questdrivencollie]

 

I was very much just joking when I said that Sailor Moon was the only one (it's very very known for its female empowerment, and is by far the most mainstream). The only one I've seen of those mentioned was FMA (and only a part of it), and, yes, it has a few well written female characters. I would not call it a show aimed to empower women, however, which I think you are mixing up with well written women. The thing is, with anime, no matter how well written a female character is, most of the time, they are attractive women who are put in unwanted sexual situations (written off as fanservice and humor) that cater to a straight male audience, and Sailor Moon isn't exempt from this either! It doesn't matter if they can shoot a grasshopper from a mile away or take down an entire army barehanded- if the "male gaze" is heavily prevalent, it is NOT an empowering character.

As I recall, in the case of FMA, it's pretty un-fanservicy. There is a character with large breasts and a low-cut dress, but that's part of her character as her name is "Lust" and she's literally supposed to be the embodiment of the sin. It isn't played on much for humor, even, though, nor does she act particularly sexual.

The one possibly fan-service moment I can think of is one scene where Ed comes out of the shower. That is played for humor.

 

I haven't watched the series in nearly two years, but I think in terms of fan service or sexual jokes, FMA is much better than most in that it doesn't rely on these to be funny. There are some jokes here and there, but not unrealistically so IMO.

[Qia]

It is. But if we look back at the video where to actors pretend to have a fight on the street I think the evidence is pretty clear.

 

 

Look we are not going to agree. You are claiming that a woman with not special training is as strong as a man which is something I just can not accept. So I am going to leave this partcular topic before I end up saying something stupid.

Evidence of what? Gender double standards? That's not exactly a new concept. But if you think something is wrong and you want to try and fight to make a change then no one is stopping you from trying. 

 

And here you go: "....Most males are taller and stronger than females, but an individual female could be taller and/or stronger than an individual male. These differences and their extent vary across societies." 

 

Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia....2C_Lydia_2001-4

 

^{I italicized the words that you should pay special attention.}

 

^{Either way, why was that point even made? What does that have to do with sexism?} 

Edited by Qia, 26 June 2014 - 10:31 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

 

Yes, society does that. I am, right here, telling you, as a female, SOCIETY DOES THIS.

 

 

It is oppression. You think women haven't been shunned, murdered, and, yes, oppressed for being female? They have, and it's incredibly naive to claim they haven't. No, my feminism isn't exclusive to western-world women, it's for women in all corners of the world. And, like I said, ignoring them doesn't help. At all. In some cases, it makes it worse.

 

 

Ok, virtually no one cares about guy's asses. And don't treat rapists as if they're something that women can prevent. They can't.

 

 

There's nothing inherently wrong with finding lesbians attractive, as long as you don't impose that on actual lesbians, or women in general. The problem is if you proclaim how hot girl on girl is while saying how gross guy on guy is.

 

 

Those aren't foolproof methods, and plenty of sober people are rapists. Heck, a lot of the time the rapist will be someone you know and trust. Also, I like heels. I love heels. I should be able to wear them without worrying about functionality or not.

 

 

She had it coming? What does that even mean? Excess violence isn't needed from anybody.

 

 

That's... not actually an issue. People force boys to be tough, not "metro".

 

 

1. Feminists have not achieved 85% of its goals. Where did you get that from.

 

2. Feminists care more about the LGBT community more than any group I have ever seen. We are fighting for their rights too.

I was gonna walk avay... but then you reclaimed my interest. Congratz.

 

First I just kinda figured we were discussing the west. If were talking international than I agree completely. The orient alone has some majorly f**cked up kitten when it comes to women. In those places heck yea ignoring them gets them killed. In the west however it has an effect.

 

Now im dissapointed. I pulled all the knowledge I had to make you understand this but it apears were not quite there yety Guys arent attracted to guys. So if we reverse the yuri logic. One guy in a xxx video is a neccesarry evil. Two guys is twice as bad and thats the lets get out of here point. Do you now see what I mean. Also who looks at two straight women and goes: "You two, yea you... start making out"?

 

Ok this makes me curious. Why do you love high heels? The way I hear, they are uncomfortable, hard to walk in and long term mess up your feet big time. How are they anything but esteticly functional?

 

I did say for arguments sake didn`t I. If you need a specific reason... The chick slept with his 3 best friends (at once) stole his car, went to vegas, spent all his money, gambled the house avay, and then somehow had him fired from his job. Is that a strong enough reason for a person to loose his temper and beat the person to hell?

 

It happens. It`s rare but if the mother is the shallow as kitten type with a buhmillion pounds of makeup and such it can happen, especially without a strong father figure.

 

Yes in the west you have completed at least 85% of your tasks. Minus the equal job payment, you guys are pretty much done. Other parts of the world not so much.

 

Also invest in a really big knife. You guys can carry weapons over there. Nothing scares a rapist more than the sight of heavy weaponry.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 26 June 2014 - 10:26 PM.

[KonaKonaFan]

As I recall, in the case of FMA, it's pretty un-fanservicy. There is a character with large breasts and a low-cut dress, but that's part of her character as her name is "Lust" and she's literally supposed to be the embodiment of the sin. It isn't played on much for humor, even, though, nor does she act particularly sexual.

The one possibly fan-service moment I can think of is one scene where Ed comes out of the shower. That is played for humor.

 

I haven't watched the series in nearly two years, but I think in terms of fan service or sexual jokes, FMA is much better than most in that it doesn't rely on these to be funny. There are some jokes here and there, but not unrealistically so IMO.

 

Hm, I haven't watched it in a while. Looking back at that post it kinda seemed like I was saying the male gaze was prevalent in FMA? Haha, that was unintentional. Sorry about that.

Edited by KonaKonaFan, 26 June 2014 - 10:37 PM.

[sushi.]

StrikertheNoble; You would hit the jackpot in that bingo. Your views are extremely problematic. Gender policing, rape apologetic, in denial of your own sexism, yet you are so lucky to have two girls who actually bother to educate you. I can not understand why you are not listening to them. I am white. I try to listen to people of colour. I am cis. I try to listen to trans people. I don't understand why it is so hard, it's like the most basic thing to do. You are so swallowed up in your own privilege it's quite exhausting. You even went around comparing revealing clothes to exposing genitals. Look at this man. He seems decent.

Why is the feminist movement that has achieved 85% of its goals so strong and powerful and yet the people who in the western world are actually opressed have such a low support rate. I am talking about the LGBT community. They cant be who they are, they cant marry, they cant have kids. Why are they receievening so little support?

The movements are connected because there are many women in the LGBT community, and because most activists want to fight all sorts of oppression. There is no such thing as exlusionary feminism. All women are included, if not you are no feminist at all. But, in the end just ask the white straight men who rule the world.

But it's not right for a woman to beat a man or a man to beat a woman? Of course there are going to be people that don't think that way, unfortunately, because of gender double standards. But I believe violence against anyone is wrong, regardless of gender. 

Yes. Thing is though, since no one understood when I explained it thoroughly;

Woman hits man=violence

Man hits woman=violence, misogynism

Edited by sushi., 26 June 2014 - 10:35 PM.

[KonaKonaFan]

Now im dissapointed. I pulled all the knowledge I had to make you understand this but it apears were not quite there yety Guys arent attracted to guys. So if we reverse the yuri logic. One guy in a xxx video is a neccesarry evil. Two guys is twice as bad and thats the lets get out of here point. Do you now see what I mean. Also who looks at two straight women and goes: "You two, yea you... start making out"?

 

Please don't belittle me like that. I'm pointing out sexism-related homophobia. When I say that those type of guys find gay people gross, I'm not talking about in porn, I'm talking about in real life. Of course a straight guy wouldn't find guy on guy porn appealing. I'm referring to the people who act terribly homophobic to gay people just living their everyday lives then proclaim how hot girl on girl is. And that's a bit of a blunt way of doing it, but, yes, guys do urge girls to make out for their enjoyment, especially at parties.

 

 

 

Ok this makes me curious. Why do you love high heels? The way I hear, they are uncomfortable, hard to walk in and long term mess up your feet big time. How are they anything but esteticly functional?

 

Not all of them are uncomfortable, and I feel like a tall, sexy badass in them. What other reason do I need?

 

 

 

I did say for arguments sake didn`t I. If you need a specific reason... The chick slept with his 3 best friends (at once) stole his car, went to vegas, spent all his money, gambled the house avay, and then somehow had him fired from his job. Is that a strong enough reason for a person to loose his temper and beat the person to hell?

 

Then dump her, jeez. No need to be unnecessarily violent.

 

 

 

It happens. It`s rare but if the mother is the shallow as kitten type with a buhmillion pounds of makeup and such it can happen, especially without a strong father figure.

 

I have never heard of that. And father figures aren't needed to raise a child.

 

 

 

Yes in the west you have completed at least 85% of your tasks. Minus the equal job payment, you guys are pretty much done. Other parts of the world not so much.

 

Once again, you can't tell us how much we have accomplished. You aren't aware of all of our goals, evidently.

Edited by KonaKonaFan, 26 June 2014 - 10:38 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

StrikertheNoble; You would hit the jackpot in that bingo. Your views are extremely problematic. Gender policing, rape apologetic, in denial of your own sexism, yet you are so lucky to have two girl who actually bothers to educate you. I can not understand why you are not listening to them. I am white. I try to listen to people of colour. I am cis. I try to listen to trans people. I don't understand why it is so hard, it's like the most basic thing to do. You are so swallowed up in your own privilege it's quite exhausting. You even went around comparing revealing clothes to exposing genitals. Look at this man. He seems decent.

The movements are connected because there are many women in the LGBT community, and because most activists want to fight all sorts of oppression. There is no such thing as exlusionary feminism. All women are included, if not you are no feminist at all. But, in the end just ask the white straight men who rule the world.

Yes. Thing is though, since no one understood when I explained it thoroughly;

Woman hits man=violence

Man hits woman=violence, misogynism

Im not even gonna answer you. Nope.

 

Please don't belittle me like that. I'm pointing out sexism-related homophobia. When I say that those type of guys find gay people gross, I'm not talking about in porn, I'm talking about in real life. Of course a straight guy wouldn't find guy on guy porn appealing. I'm referring to the people who act terribly homophobic to gay people just living their everyday lives then proclaim how hot girl on girl is. And that's a bit of a blunt way of doing it, but, yes, guys do urge girls to make out for their enjoyment, especially at parties.

 

 

Not all of them are uncomfortable, and I feel like a tall, sexy badass in them. What other reason do I need?

 

 

Then dump her, jeez. No need to be unnecessarily violent.

 

 

I have never heard of that. And father figures aren't needed to raise a child.

 

 

Once again, you can't tell us how much we have accomplished. You aren't aware of all of our goals, evidently.

 

Im sorry of it came off like that. Twas not my intention. I see what you mean but its not all that sexism related. Its more of a double standard homophobe thing. Also parties. When alcohol is involved... i think pretty much anything goes.

 

Well... ok then. Fair enough.

 

So you have never been in a situation where your blood boils and you suddenly get somewhat bloodthirsty. Well it`s what happens when you get really angry. I mean really angry. Most people can control it but it sometimes gets out of hand.

 

Not needed but quite usefull.

 

Kona... that sounded like you have some form of secret agenda... forget the freemasons, fear the feminists.

[questdrivencollie]

Hmm....

Not gonna lie. I grew up in a "hardcore Christian" home. There are things I was taught that I've come to disagree with, but I don't feel opposed for it and consider myself fortunate actually.

So yeah, I was taught not to dress "provocatively". Heck, for most of my childhood I was taught that women should wear dresses, not pants.

Well, I eventually began wearing pants anyway because they are simply more comfortable to me. More practical, too. Plus, read a study where men were more likely to rape a woman wearing a dress, because it's easier to get access to certain body parts. Whereas if you're wearing pants, they actually have to get them off of you.

 

All that aside, women should be able to wear whatever they want. Unless in a school or organization with a dress code, but other than that. 

And obs, men are responsible for their actions. So it's not a woman's fault for dressing "slutily". Plus, it's not like a guy suddenly sees a woman with a revealing dress and decides "hey, I'm gonna rape her!" No, to my understanding rape is premeditated. The guy goes out *looking* for an easy target.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Hmm....

Not gonna lie. I grew up in a "hardcore Christian" home. There are things I was taught that I've come to disagree with, but I don't feel opposed for it and consider myself fortunate actually.

So yeah, I was taught not to dress "provocatively". Heck, for most of my childhood I was taught that women should wear dresses, not pants.

Well, I eventually began wearing pants anyway because they are simply more comfortable to me. More practical, too. Plus, read a study where men were more likely to rape a woman wearing a dress, because it's easier to get access to certain body parts. Whereas if you're wearing pants, they actually have to get them off of you.

 

All that aside, women should be able to wear whatever they want. Unless in a school or organization with a dress code, but other than that. 

And obs, men are responsible for their actions. So it's not a woman's fault for dressing "slutily". Plus, it's not like a guy suddenly sees a woman with a revealing dress and decides "hey, I'm gonna rape her!" No, to my understanding rape is premeditated. The guy goes out *looking* for an easy target.

True

 

However... is it ok to blame half the human population (male half) for something a select group of people did. A group which is for all intentive puproses a group of psychopats. Dont hate the men, hate the criminals.