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#538329 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Iwantbuns on 17 June 2014 - 01:14 AM

 

 Like I said before, it can't be within her character to hold resentment because her character is limited. What I mean by that is that her panel time is either thoughts of Naruto or her uttering his name for the thousandth time. It's obvious by now that Hinata is nothing more than pairing fodder, but even as a pairing fodder that doesn't get enough exposure to create elements within her limited story. There's no wanting to go to his apartment to check up on him. No thoughts if Naruto & Sakura are dating since they're so close. It's all about being a sacrificial lamb, saying his name, reminding the audience of her love and nothing more. There's nothing intriguing in this story about copying/pasting someone's nindo.

 

You're forgetting the whole reason Hinata even admired Naruto at all. She's not pairing fodder. She doesn't want to be paired up with Naruto or anyone, she wants to be acknowledged by others like she's seen Naruto been able to do. Her character doesn't revolve around Naruto, Naruto barely exists in her life. She doesn't try to pursue a relationship with him, she only watches him to improve herself, because Naruto gave her hope in her life. But she doesn't want to push people to love her, she wants to earn it. She wants to work hard for it. She might be weak, but when she really wants to, she pushes herself to be better and to make a change.

 

And so what, if she catches herself thinking about Naruto most of the time? She has a crush on him, she has every right to think about him, because she lurves him. Sakura used to constantly think about 'Sasuke-kun' all the time. She still does do it now, but not out of love, out of heartbreak and sorrow. 

 

(Which is why out of all the crushes in Naruto, I support Naruto's because at least he doesn't rub the fact that he's soo in love with her every single second. His love for her remains, but he would never push her to love him back. I have a lot of respect for that.)

 

The reason why Hinata has to think about Naruto all the time, is because she's not on his team. She can't ever be with him, so there's a sort of distance between them. Their relationship isn't a close one, so she can't go and check on him, or go and find out the details of his love life, because her love for Naruto isn't shallow like that. She doesn't want romance, she wants acknowledgement, because he's the one person she's looked up to since she was a child. Her crush on him, doesn't make her pairing fodder. It just means she has feelings for him.

 

I mean seriously, even Sakura's more of a pairing fodder than Hinata, since she has that whole love triangle s**t going for her...   :glare:

 

 And I'm getting the impression that you think Hinata has had this super tragic past where she should be labeled as such a strong resilient girl because she put up with the torturing of her father. Oh please. She was shy, weak and submissive, and as a result her father gave up on her and went with her sister instead. I get it, it sucks that it happened. But it's definitely not the worse tragic(if you even wanna call it that) story. She's in a rich clan and most likely gets feed 3 prestigious meals a day.

 

You're right Hinata's "tragic" past didn't have much to do with her father, than it had to do with Hinata's character in general. Hinata is naturally shy, weak, and submissive, because she wasn't built to hurt people or cause harm. But when you choose to be a ninja, you sort of jump into that.. That's why she wanted to improve herself, and prove to her father and her clan, that she was capable of being a strong kunoichi. I'm not saying she is, but she did improve herself a little. She worked hard to get to where she is now. She might not have been trained by the third hokage ferociously, but it's clear that she trains herself to a point where she can barely take it anymore. And even then, she pushes herself even further.

 

I'm not telling you to feel pity on her, she's not asking anyone to feel pity on her, she just wants to be better. She doesn't want to lie down and mope about her problems, she wants to do something about them. And she does. Sakura also had a similar turmoil. She didn't want to be left behind from her two teammates, she didn't want to be a burden. She cried a little, but then she stood up, cut her hair, and did something about it. Like Hinata, she wanted to change, make an improvement. And yeah, she's rich. So? Are you saying she's not thankful or something? I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

 Tsunade is background character, so what's your point? We see her display care for Naruto, Sakura, Jiraiya and the entire village of Konoha. Hinata has no excuse. And excellent point about Sakura and Hinata by the way. I always said that Hinata's obsession will be a learning curve for her to better herself as a person who thinks outside of Naruto.

 

Do you ever see the missions she goes on with her team? Do you ever actually see Hinata's life outside of the Team 7 dynamic? We don't see a lot of Hinata. We only see what's important: her lame Hyuga problems, her struggle to get better, and her crush on Naruto. You can't honestly tell me, that if one of her comrades were in trouble, she wouldn't jump in to help? If one of her comrades were hurt, she wouldn't at least try to help? Just because you don't see her care for others doesn't mean she doesn't. Just look at the way she cared for Naruto? She didn't do it for the purpose of loving him, and him loving her back - she did it because she genuinely cares for all her comrades. Same goes for every single (good) character in the show. They all look out for each other.

 

To me, it's different for Hinata, because it's been hinted so many times, that she's gentle, doesn't like to hurt people, doesn't want to cause people trouble, and never thinks of herself if someone else was in danger. Whether it be Naruto, or anyone. It's in her character to be careful with other people's feelings, to be polite, and be kind. And yes. First loves help you learn from your misinterpretations. Hinata will soon realize that she has to really know the person well, before trying to be in a relationship with him. But she isn't pushing herself on him - she's giving him time. If Naruto doesn't love her back, she's not gonna blow her top. She'll be sad, but she'll get over it, because that's the type of person she is.

 

 

But she is. Like I said before, even her story as a pairing fodder is very limited. There are no manga panels exhibiting such evidence that she knows that Naruto has feelings for Sakura. Hinata is in her own little world and nothing but Naruto is allowed to enter. I already addressed the resentment part above in this post.

 

Are you sure she doesn't know about Naruto's crush on her? I mean, I'd say everyone knows about it. But let's say she didn't know (which I highly doubt). Do you really think she'd hate Sakura for being the only one in his heart? Naruto's love life doesn't matter to her, as long as Naruto's happy. She believes that he deserves to be acknowledged, praised, and loved. Her heart would break if she saw Naruto go in a depressed state. Of course, she never did anything about it, because she was too shy, but she still carries a selfless love for Naruto. It's not about her character being limited, it's about the parts of her character in general. 

 

Hinata does go into Naruto dreamland a lot, but does it because she loves him romantically. It doesn't mean she doesn't have love/care for many other people. Remember how much she cried when Neji died? She cared for him just as much as she cared for Naruto. (Probably more so, since she knows him better than Naruto.) Naruto is her love interest. But it doesn't mean she's oblivious to everything and everyone else. Even while loving Naruto, she still shows care for others, because her love for Naruto is not shallow (similar to Naruto's love for Sakura, except Naruto interacts with Sakura much more, and understands her better than anyone).

 

You have to really understand the character well, before you start giving her characteristics she never had.

 

Naruto takes precedence over everything in her life. Overall, this character has only displayed the characteristics you described mainly to Naruto. She may care about other people, but it rarely is ever shown. It's mainly about Naruto. Again, Sakura is selfless to a homeless kid that she doesn't even know. She disliked Lee because he came up to her without even knowing who she is and asked to go out with him. You can't blame her for acting that way. She was accepting of Tsunade and Chiyo by the way. 

 

Her caring side is shown a lot towards Naruto when he's around, because he means a lot to her. Naruto doesn't take over her life, Hinata makes Naruto a high priority in her life, because she loves him. It's not a 'does she, or does she not care about anyone else but Naruto' situation here. There's no denying that she holds all her comrades in her high priorities as well. Again, just because her care for others isn't shown, doesn't mean they barely matter to her. Naruto isn't the only one that's affected her life. Many people have, and she respects every single one of them. 

 

I'm not gonna deny that a lot of Hinata's character revolves around Naruto, because it does, but it's implied that when she does care for people, she really genuinely cares for them. This doesn't just apply to Naruto. And it can't just apply to Naruto, because most of the time she's never even there with him. But when she is with him, she constantly notices Naruto and his well being (which shows just how much she really doesn't know him), because she loves him. It's one of her flaws. But it doesn't control her whole entire life.

 

Sakura is accepting of people, but not at first glance. When she looks at someone, she assumes she knows what they're like and either avoids them, loves them, cares for them, or doesn't care about them. Sakura is a selfless person at heart, I never said she wasn't. But it does take her a while to accept people. And if Hinata or any other girl in general, saw a homeless kid on the street, of course they'd show selflessness. That's just how a lot of people naturally are: nice. Sakura is a cool girl and all, but she has flaws in understanding people, mostly due to the fact that she had a good life, lived with her parents, was pretty, everyone loved her, and even had a popular best friend/rival. She had to learn to understand Sasuke, Naruto, and a lot of her teammates. She probably didn't really care much for a lot of her classmates, seeing that she sneered at Ino for being with the "lazy guy" and the "fat guy". It's not just Lee, it's a lot of people. 

 

Of course, now she respects both Shikamaru and Chouji a lot more now. She respects a LOT of rookie 9, by now. She's even become good friends/comrades with them, and interacts with them much better, than she used to. Hinata never once judged any of her classmates, not because she ignored them for Naruto, but because she understands that people have their own lives and possibly even conflicts, because she herself had a lot of issues. You might not agree with me, but this does give her the ability to understand others. Not in a perfect way, but she can feel for other people's pain, because she went through it too. Kind of why Naruto has the ability to understand other people, also.

 

And I think Sakura was the one that came up to Tsunade for her to teach her the ways of medical ninjutsu. It wasn't really a 'will Sakura accept Tsunade thing', but more of a 'will Tsunade accept Sakura' thing to me. But yes, I do agree that they have a pretty good teacher-student relationship in the show. Even though it doesn't really have much to do with the caring and accepting part of Sakura's character imo... And with Chiyo I think I do recall it was the same thing (I don't really remember this arc very well tbh lol sorry). Wasn't Chiyo a part of Sakura and Naruto's mission though? I don't think this relates to it either..

 

 You're right, love makes you do crazy things. But this is Hinata we are talking about here. Put love in her hand and everything outside ceases to exist. It's just an impulsiveness attitude derived straight from the heart. She chose to confess rather than come up with a plan to at least delay Naruto's capture. The anime team got that right, but the manga Hinata didn't.

 

If you put love in anyone's hand, nothing else would matter. It's not just Hinata. So many people in the series have done this. All sense goes away, how in the world is anyone gonna think up a strategic plan, in 2 seconds. Hinata didn't have time, she had to act fast. That would be the smartest thing to do when you're blinded by love and jumping in front of the Akatsuki leader. And she chose to confess, because she figured if she was gonna die protecting the guy she loves, why not tell him, she loves him? It doesn't matter if it's Hinata, or anyone else, stupid things are done when it comes to love.

 

(which I find incredibly stupid... but it's true)

 

During the FoD arc both Naruto and the guy she loves were knocked out. So what does the queen do? She keeps them out of harms way to prevent the enemy for taking advantage of their unconscious bodies. Even when Sakura was madly in love with Sasuke, she still kept her head on straight and evaluated the situation and did what was best within her power. Once again, Hinata has no excuses. 

 

That's because Sakura wasn't doing it out of selfish love. She was doing it out of protectiveness for both her teammates. Sakura isn't doing it for one person she's madly in love with, she isn't doing it because the odds were against her, this is different. This isn't romantic and shallow love, this is comradeship. Something that all the characters in the show do everyday. If Hinata's teammates were down, she would think straight, just as anyone would. Hinata's not dumb, that she would just leave her comrades down, and panic at the last minute. She would think of a smart way to handle the situation, because there's enough time for that.

 

Sakura's intelligent, Hinata's intelligent, when it comes to doing something for their "true love" they will go to extremes to do it. Hinata didn't do it as much before, because it was mostly admiration before, and nothing more. Sakura doesn't do it as much now, because she's starting to move on from her "love" for Sasuke.

 

 Agreed. But we haven't seen Hinata make a conscious effort to even want to understand Naruto outside of his nindo.

 

Exactly. Hinata doesn't love Naruto as a person, she loves him as a role model. That type of love isn't real and doesn't last.

 

But it does change her character. Her love has turned her into a Naruto fangirl. Everything else I agree with.

 

It does, but not by much. It's not like she's pushing herself on to him. She's being patient with him, because his happiness is more important than hers. Her crush on him is still internal, and hasn't been addressed by anyone yet, except her. She is a fangirl, but she's not a crazy one, where she would do anything to be with him, because her happiness does not only belong with Naruto. She has other goals in her life, Naruto has just become one of them.

 

Like I said before, Naruto takes precedence over everyone. It's hard for me to say that she naturally cares about everyone when she rarely interacts with anyone but Naruto, and even that's rare too. But I'll give you that. You don't seriously believe that she loves everyone equally, do you? All thoughts are about Naruto, no one else. She treats Naruto like he's her religion. All her love and care does go directly to Naruto, and he doesn't even have to be within her vicinity for it to happen. That's the beauty of her obsession. There is no room for her to understand other people because, like I said, it's all about Naruto, everyone else be damned. Tell me, what else does she know about Naruto other than reciting his nindo? Don't worry, I'll wait.

 

No, he doesn't. I can't believe you just said she rarely interacts with anyone but Naruto. The whole reason why NaruHina doesn't work is because they don't interact a lot. Like ever. And when they do, it's almost always onesided. Naruto holds a special place in Hinata's heart, but she can never care for Naruto on a deep level, because she just can't interact with Naruto normally as a person. You have to become friends with someone to really fully understand them. And this brings us back to her other friends. Her care for people other than Naruto, is more genuine, because she can be herself around them. I'm talking about her teammates, her cousins, her teachers, people that are close to her, people other than Naruto that she deeply cares about. People she doesn't stutter as much around, people she can be open with, and not get all flustered around.

 

All her love and care does not go directly to Naruto, and only Naruto. This is just false. There's plenty of room for her to understand other people. That's the whole point of her love for Naruto; understanding his pain. But Naruto's rarely ever around her, for her to possibly care only for Naruto. This is just a shallow thought, and goes completely against her character.

 

Ever heard of the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Now I'm not saying Hinata is going to hell because that would be too cruel. But I will say that her impulsive behavior had such a huge potential to screw everything up. Even her bodyguard warned her not to interfere. So I can't agree with you on the risk and selfishness these girls showed. There's a clear distinction. And Sakura showed examples of being a "caring and nice goody-good" person early in the series, not just nearing its end. Like that homeless kid in the waves of land arc I brought up. So don't make it seem like she had to make this huge jump in character development to become a better person.

 

Sakura has done a lot of risky things that she did on impulse throughout the show. You can't ignore that. She shouldn't have done a lot of the things she did. But she did anyways, and caused plenty of problems, she didn't intend to happen. This is probably the first time Hinata did anything crazy like this, but when it comes to love, that's the result. No matter the situation, the things these two do are risky, and with riskiness comes the potential to screw things up. That's what bad choices do. And Sakura's made a lot of her fair share of not-so-good choices. Don't make it seem like she didn't, because you and I both know that Sakura's made plenty of mistakes.

 

Naruto > everyone else. The story rarely(emphasis on that word) shows her caring for anyone but Naruto.

 

Naruto is VERY important to her, but everyone else she cares about are also just as important to her. Again, just because she is shown to care and worry about Naruto a lot, doesn't mean her love for him is so deep, that she would ever abandon her teammates/comrades for him. If she would ever have to choose, she wouldn't choose Naruto, because her love for Naruto doesn't run in that shallow direction. She has plenty of other people she cares about, that have been there for her, not Naruto. And she knows this well. 

 

 Evened out in terms of selfishness or in terms of selflessness? Because I see Sakura rising in selflessness and Hinata rising in selfishness.

 

Yeah that's what I said.




#538285 WHAT IF Kishimoto decides for SS to be the end game??

Posted by Iwantbuns on 16 June 2014 - 09:08 PM

All I have to say is that it's not gonna happen. No way, no how.

 

It's out of character for Sasuke, because he never had any romantic feelings for Sakura, and it's out of character for Sakura, because Sakura doesn't have it in her to pursue a romantic relationship with this guy anymore.

 

This relationship is negative in every single possible way, and wouldn't make any logical sense - on both sides.

Kishimoto isn't so dumb, that he do something crazy like this. I'm not worried in the slightest bit for this pairing, because it's literally and completely dead in my eyes.




#537982 What do you think about fanfics?Check out this one.

Posted by Iwantbuns on 15 June 2014 - 03:10 PM

Out Of Character - Naruto giving up, Sasuke being nice, Hinata being confident. All these are OOC behaviors.

 

Well.. I think Hinata can be confident in her own way. Just not so outwardly confident (like in RTN).

 

Naruto probably thinks about giving up sometimes, but would never do it.

 

Sasuke probably does have a soft side, but would never show it.




#537786 Konohakitten's artwork

Posted by Iwantbuns on 14 June 2014 - 07:23 PM

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#537784 Naruto 680

Posted by Iwantbuns on 14 June 2014 - 07:19 PM

Sasuke did care about Naruto and Sakura as comrades, and they probably mean a lot more to him, than you guys think... 

 

Sasuke is basically an emotionally wrecked loner guy who shows no emotion, but actually has a lot of emotion underneath. Aside from Itachi, Naruto and Sakura were the first ones in a long time to give him that sort of love/friendship. Although he found both of them annoying, he slowly opened up to them, in a way he never did to anyone else. You could almost say they were his two first real friends.

 

Naruto gave him the brotherhood he wanted, and Sakura gave him the companionship he needed.

 

Even being away for a long time, he probably does feel a sort of nostalgia for these two, even if he doesn't show it very well. He needs to understand that they've all grown up, and are much different than they used to be. Sakura isn't gonna play damsel in distress all the time, Naruto's gonna be in the front lines more often, and Sasuke's still just gonna be Sasuke, adding a little more arrogance and indifference.

 

Right now, they need to learn to use their teamwork to the fullest like the way they used to, and adjust to the way their team would work now, otherwise they absolutely will not be very effective in the war they're in. I think they really have to work together at a time like this - especially Sasuke, who needs to seriously get that stick out of his ass. 

 

Without teamwork, they're all dead. Hopefully Naruto can change that. I'm really interested in how in the world they're gonna deal with this Kaguya, though.




#537751 SasuHina?

Posted by Iwantbuns on 14 June 2014 - 03:38 PM

I don't really feel like Sasuke would fare well in a relationship. Right now he sees ppl as tools to further his own goals rather than actual ppl. For example the only reason according to himself that he saved Naruto was bc himself and Naruto are the only ones who can defeat Kaguya. He stabbed Karin through the chest when he saw her as expendable and is far too untrustworthy. Sure Hinata can be annoying sometimes, but I wouldn't pair her with Sasuke. The guy practically embodies the term wifebeater.

 

This guy....if he gets with Hinata....she will be in hell of an emotional turmoil! The soulless eyes that she's got will be even more soulless :/ They look cute together actually, but that's it. This guy will destroy her inside out. She'll be a walking zombie :/

 

Sasuke would totally ruin her, wouldn't he? XD I guess I'm not so much interested in them together, rather than actually seeing them interact with each other. I think it would just be plain funny, to see these to get along. And it could make sense, since Hinata's so accepting of other people, and Sasuke befriending someone who doesn't look down on him or fangirl about him. Hinata's just wayy too nice to everyone, and Sasuke needs someone that can take his bulls**t..

 

Not to mention the only lady Sasuke was ever fond of was his mother, and Hinata's genuinely kind and caring like Mikoto - lol, don't you just love parallels? I honestly don't know why I'm so interested in this shipping, but for SOME reason, it was actually the first pairing I ever thought of when I first started watching Naruto from Part 1. Isn't that weird? All my friends thought I was insane, but I didn't really care because I knew it was crack.

 

A crack pairing that makes a ton of sense to me for some reason




#537145 SasuSaku?

Posted by Iwantbuns on 11 June 2014 - 10:40 PM

Sasuke dating? Lol that's a good one. (jk)

 

And even if he would date anyone, why Sakura? I honestly don't see him even being attracted to her. She might as well be too much for him to handle. Not to mention, she doesn't understand him, at ALL. It would be so out of character...

 

(I'm sorry I just really can't understand this pairing. Not one bit. I've never shipped these two, and I have NO idea how people even thought of this pairing. It's so onesided and kills both of their characters, in almost every way.  :headscratch:)




#536650 Ino Yamanaka appretiation tread.

Posted by Iwantbuns on 11 June 2014 - 05:15 AM

Yeah... I don't know why, but Ino intrigued me a lot more than Sakura, in the beginning of the series. She was like my favorite girl character. And then I started liking Hinata a lot too. It took me a while to understand Sakura, but she started growing on me a LOT in Part 2. Goes to show how fun she can actually be, when Sasuke isn't around.

 

I was actually annoyed at Sakura for stealing Ino's spotlight, in the beginning of the series though. On the bright side, they're friendship somehow survived in the end, so that's cool




#535936 User who Posts the Last Comment Wins

Posted by Iwantbuns on 07 June 2014 - 05:55 PM

This has got to be the weirdest and pointless thread ever XD

 

But you asked for it:

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#535913 The NEW NaruSaku Debate Thread

Posted by Iwantbuns on 07 June 2014 - 04:45 PM

Definitely. Kishi needs to stop making the girls a bunch of objects for pairings. Especially Sakura, because at least he's finally starting to stray her AWAY from all the romance s**t... So I'm definitely rooting for Sakura moments too




#534997 Konohakitten's artwork

Posted by Iwantbuns on 04 June 2014 - 10:50 PM

I LOVE YOUR DRAWINGS! 1) They're cute. 2) They're sexy. and 3) PONIES!!

 

Your work is awesome :)