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[FoolishYoungling]

Um, no? Literally right at the start of the fight, Luffy destroyed Crackers armament with Gear 4 before Nami even got involved. The only thing Cracker ever did was buy time. You have no idea if Luffy ran away at all, considering the fight was offpaneled. To say that he ran away is inaccurate.

That didn't matter. He took down one, and up came the next million. Cracker said "all you do is eat, run and repeat" because Nami kept rendering his devil fruit useless every time he used it. As we saw, Cracker could almost cut Luffy's arm in half with one swing, even though he was in gear fourth. On the offensive, Luffy couldn't manage multiple biscuit-men and Cracker's attack, so he required Nami's assistance. Do you really think Luffy was in gear fourth for 11 hours? Without Nami, he would have to stay in that form for 11 hours to run Cracker's stamina out. And all of that 11 hours he would have to be swinging attacks to replace the biscuits that Nami wouldn't be ruining for him. A few minutes of gear fourth against Doflamingo, and he had to go to sleep for 10 minutes to use it again for a minute.

 

Because of his limits, he required help for 10 minutes against Doflamingo. Because of his limits, he required help for a lot of hours against Cracker. What's next? He needs Brook to help him 15 hours against Smoothie and then we say Luffy is stronger when he wins the 2v1? I can see the reasoning behind this with Doflamingo, because Luffy had to do a heck of a lot more before reaching Doflamingo. That second more he needed to finish him off much earlier in the fight would of been there if he didn't handle all that came before their fight.

 

Big Mom > Katakuri (just guessing the last sweet commander we see is the strongest) > Smoothie > Cracker > Luffy > Doflamingo > Urouge > Snack

[Fyuria'sLeo]

That didn't matter. He took down one, and up came the next million. Cracker said "all you do is eat, run and repeat" because Nami kept rendering his devil fruit useless every time he used it. As we saw, Cracker could almost cut Luffy's arm in half with one swing, even though he was in gear fourth. On the offensive, Luffy couldn't manage multiple biscuit-men and Cracker's attack, so he required Nami's assistance. Do you really think Luffy was in gear fourth for 11 hours? Without Nami, he would have to stay in that form for 11 hours to run Cracker's stamina out. And all of that 11 hours he would have to be swinging attacks to replace the biscuits that Nami wouldn't be ruining for him. A few minutes of gear fourth against Doflamingo, and he had to go to sleep for 10 minutes to use it again for a minute.

 

Because of his limits, he required help for 10 minutes against Doflamingo. Because of his limits, he required help for a lot of hours against Cracker. What's next? He needs Brook to help him 15 hours against Smoothie and then we say Luffy is stronger when he wins the 2v1? I can see the reasoning behind this with Doflamingo, because Luffy had to do a heck of a lot more before reaching Doflamingo. That second more he needed to finish him off much earlier in the fight would of been there if he didn't handle all that came before their fight.

 

Big Mom > Katakuri (just guessing the last sweet commander we see is the strongest) > Smoothie > Cracker > Luffy > Doflamingo > Urouge > Snack

I like how you automatically assume luffy is weak because he needs the support of other. Thats literally the straw hat pirates thing.

[FoolishYoungling]

I like how you automatically assume luffy is weak because he needs the support of other. Thats literally the straw hat pirates thing.

Weak? No, I think he is below Cracker because he needs support. Cracker is one of the toughest on all the seas. And with Luffy barely beating Doflamingo, it has been obvious he wouldn't be able to hold a fist up against a yonko. Luffy needs to learn awakening to challenge a yonko and get any good results. Against yonko commanders, he can hold up a fist and get good results, but not win, unless someone helps him. If you need support to take 1 person on, you're not stronger than them.

[AHK]

That didn't matter. He took down one, and up came the next million. Cracker said "all you do is eat, run and repeat" because Nami kept rendering his devil fruit useless every time he used it. As we saw, Cracker could almost cut Luffy's arm in half with one swing, even though he was in gear fourth. On the offensive, Luffy couldn't manage multiple biscuit-men and Cracker's attack, so he required Nami's assistance. Do you really think Luffy was in gear fourth for 11 hours? Without Nami, he would have to stay in that form for 11 hours to run Cracker's stamina out. And all of that 11 hours he would have to be swinging attacks to replace the biscuits that Nami wouldn't be ruining for him. A few minutes of gear fourth against Doflamingo, and he had to go to sleep for 10 minutes to use it again for a minute.

 

Because of his limits, he required help for 10 minutes against Doflamingo. Because of his limits, he required help for a lot of hours against Cracker. What's next? He needs Brook to help him 15 hours against Smoothie and then we say Luffy is stronger when he wins the 2v1? I can see the reasoning behind this with Doflamingo, because Luffy had to do a heck of a lot more before reaching Doflamingo. That second more he needed to finish him off much earlier in the fight would of been there if he didn't handle all that came before their fight.

 

Big Mom > Katakuri (just guessing the last sweet commander we see is the strongest) > Smoothie > Cracker > Luffy > Doflamingo > Urouge > Snack

On offense, Luffy broke through his armament with ease. The only thing cracker did was produce multiple clones. When he tried to confront Luffy directly, he got his ass whipped. Nami wasn't countering cracker, she was countering his ability to do nothing but stall for time. Cracker isn't stronger than Luffy, which is why he's taking a dirt nap in Big Mom's lap. 

 

Weak? No, I think he is below Cracker because he needs support. Cracker is one of the toughest on all the seas. And with Luffy barely beating Doflamingo, it has been obvious he wouldn't be able to hold a fist up against a yonko. Luffy needs to learn awakening to challenge a yonko and get any good results. Against yonko commanders, he can hold up a fist and get good results, but not win, unless someone helps him. If you need support to take 1 person on, you're not stronger than them.

All of this is just speculation, not to mention wrong. Whenever Luffy has gone to gear 4, nobody has been able to stand up to him. If we're talking about power straight up, Luffy is well above both Cracker and Doflamingo, as he's proved. 

Edited by AHK, 18 November 2016 - 12:43 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

 

On offense, Luffy broke through his armament with ease. The only thing cracker did was produce multiple clones. When he tried to confront Luffy directly, he got his ass whipped. Nami wasn't countering cracker, she was countering his ability to do nothing but stall for time. Cracker isn't stronger than Luffy, which is why he's taking a dirt nap in Big Mom's lap. 

 

All of this is just speculation, not to mention wrong. Whenever Luffy has gone to gear 4, nobody has been able to stand up to him. If we're talking about power straight up, Luffy is well above both Cracker and Doflamingo, as he's proved.

Take away the rain, what does Luffy do? He ran out of haki for gear fourth so his new tactic was to eat the biscuits, made edible by Nami. So, how does he win without Nami? Cracker would beat Luffy, and because of that, is the stronger of the two. But are you saying Nami wasn't very useful for Luffy? I guess I'm a bigger LuNa fan than you. 

[AHK]

Take away the rain, what does Luffy do? He ran out of haki for gear fourth so his new tactic was to eat the biscuits, made edible by Nami. So, how does he win without Nami? Cracker would beat Luffy, and because of that, is the stronger of the two. But are you saying Nami wasn't very useful for Luffy? I guess I'm a bigger LuNa fan than you. 

We were discussing whether or not Cracker was stronger. Luffy easily overwhelmed him with power so much so that he had to resort to stalemating for time. He is stronger than Cracker.

[FoolishYoungling]

We were discussing whether or not Cracker was stronger. Luffy easily overwhelmed him with power so much so that he had to resort to stalemating for time. He is stronger than Cracker.

Screw what tactic he used. It worked. And it was all by himself. He didn't need the ginger babe to help him.

[Phantom_999]

I think the gist of it is Luffy has more power than Cracker because the former overpowered the latter. But Cracker was winning because he had more stamina than Luffy, Because, bear in mind Luffy can't use Gear 4th for too long yet. So Luffy was losing in terms of Stamina and that is where Nami's support becomes relevant. Now, to say he has enough power to challenge Big mom in a direct fight would upset the slide up of the villain threats level and power level scale, but that remains to be seen. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 November 2016 - 02:33 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Screw what tactic he used. It worked. And it was all by himself. He didn't need the ginger babe to help him.

You dont understand, if you need to resort to stalemating a match by constantly throwing Food copies of yourself then you have clearly lost the fight. A war of Attrition yes Cracker would have won but this was not what we were discussing we are discussing the fact that Luffy had the power to overwhelm him and have Cracker confirm this.

 

In other news 

Luffy worrying about his wife this chapter was top

[AHK]

You dont understand, if you need to resort to stalemating a match by constantly throwing Food copies of yourself then you have clearly lost the fight. A war of Attrition yes Cracker would have won but this was not what we were discussing we are discussing the fact that Luffy had the power to overwhelm him and have Cracker confirm this.
 
In other news 
Luffy worrying about his wife this chapter was top

And vice versa, Nami couldn't even watch Luffy get ko'd. My kokoro

Also, thought you'd like to know that Oda saw the original climax for Film Gold and decided to write it himself, and added a big LuNa part to it!

[Fyuria'sLeo]

And vice versa, Nami couldn't even watch Luffy get ko'd. My kokoro

Also, thought you'd like to know that Oda saw the original climax for Film Gold and decided to write it himself, and added a big LuNa part to it!

Is Film Gold out yet? Ive been meaning to watch it. And if theres a good LuNa moment im in even more

[AHK]

Is Film Gold out yet? Ive been meaning to watch it. And if theres a good LuNa moment im in even more

It's out in Japan and other places, not in the states though. The Japanese Blu-ray comes out in december and we should get it subbed shortly thereafter. There are a lot of LuNa moments, I've heard. There's a really big one near the end, that Oda himself specifically wrote

[FoolishYoungling]

I heard that it should be subbed online in good quality by early January.

[Konohakitten]

I've seen One Piece Gold and it does have some nice LuNa in it, especially the end. Funimation already dubbed the movie and it will be out in the states for a week. The dates are Jan 10-17th in select theaters of course. I loved the LuNa from this last chapter too 

[AHK]

Oh snap! When Oda writes strong females they give me chills! Lady Amande and Smoothie look amazing! I so can't wait to see what else they can do Now then we all know that Big Mom isn't going to let everyone leave without a catch. Sure she listens but she made Jinbei give her something since he was taking something from her, and Luffy has taken plenty from Big Mom. I wonder if she'll make Luffy spin the wheel. One could argue that they're losing Sanji, but I don't know, Big Mom is still really shrouded in mystery and predicting how she'll behave is still kinda hard for me.

 

Nami flat out telling them that they are friends was good. No point in dragging that part on. I wonder how her hands are being tied though, it looks like that chick did so by flinging her hand. I'm really curious as to what powers she has. The book guy was crazy. I couldn't help but think of the clown character in the Strong world Movie when I saw him though XD Major props for Brook and Pedro. I'm so ready for them to set their plan in motion. It's going to be interesting to see just what everyone else does now that Luffy, for the most part, has been taken out. I swear they're going to take him to Big Mom with a chunk of dirt and grass in his fists, lol. Overall it was good chapter

I wonder how they're getting off the island, I know Big Mom wont let them walk free. Smoothie and Amande look dope as hell, plus the BM crew has some cool powers. That book world thing was awesome! Brook and Pedro have me excited too XD I can't wait to see what they do! I wonder what BM's reaction will be to Lola...

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, seeing Nami cosplaying Luffy figurine makes me want one. If I were to say, "Getting it for my inner closet pairing reason," they will be like "Pft. Yeah, right," because it is perverted more or less. Eh, whatever. Get it next time. I do like figurine.

[Phantom_999]

I wonder how they're getting off the island, I know Big Mom wont let them walk free. Smoothie and Amande look dope as hell, plus the BM crew has some cool powers. That book world thing was awesome! Brook and Pedro have me excited too XD I can't wait to see what they do! I wonder what BM's reaction will be to Lola...

 

Give her the best meal she ever had? I don't know, fighting her is NOT an option at this point, is it?

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 November 2016 - 11:14 PM.

[hinataiscreepy]

I find it hilarious that sawyer7mage said that he is Luna because of the parallels with Roger and Rouge...

 

 

I actually enjoy most of his videos when its not about Naruto but him and former world strike me as guys who really lack experience with women and people in general. I think he made a video about a pal in the friend zone and how a "great" loser he is or something. Men with actual experience will tell you to stop whining about it and can immediately tell it when a girl is attracted to you or not. There are lot of women and men online telling you the subtle signs when a girl is interested  and how to act on them.

Edited by hinataiscreepy, 23 November 2016 - 03:55 PM.

[Phantom_999]

STILL HYPOCRITES. Minato and Kushina were supposed to parallel Naruto and Sakura too, right?

[T XD]

STILL HYPOCRITES. Minato and Kushina were supposed to parallel Naruto and Sakura too, right?

Everybody knows they parallel Naruto and Sakura.

 

They still think that Minato and Kushina aren't the parallel of Naruto and Sakura ?

Edited by T XD, 23 November 2016 - 02:54 PM.