Jump to content

Close
Photo

The Last: Naruto the Movie: Thread 2 aka The Last retcon: Hinata-sama the movie


  • Please log in to reply
19441 replies to this topic

#5701 Kster95

Kster95

    Cat Sage

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,340 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York
  • Interests:Computers, Naruto, bleach, Sword Art Online, Young Justice, Game of thrones, Legend of Korra, Cats, Heroes

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:07 PM

Do you think it's likely Hinata went to ask Sakura if she could give Sakura's boyfriend a scarf? Which the magazine says is a romantic gift from a woman to a man? And Sakura not only agrees, but encourages her to do so?

 

Yes I do. Sakura is shown comforting Hinata in the picture. Like 'hey its perfectly fine I understand how you feel and what happened, you can give it to him' 

 

The scarf obviously was something she couldnt get over, it has something to do with their childhood. I dont know maybe the scarf gets destroyed or ripped, I dont know. 

 

Like that is what it exactly looks like. 


Edited by Kster95, 02 November 2014 - 01:07 PM.

43iduct.jpg


#5702 FreakySandra1995

FreakySandra1995

    Elite Teacher

  • Elite Teacher
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,162 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:09 PM

What if Hinata's feelings are secret because everyone believed she moved on after Naruto and Sakura became an item? She smiled when Sakura hugged Naruto so it's not like she's been happy for them before on the outside. Who else would know about the scarf anyway? That could easily be her closure, and I can see her approach Sakura to ask for her pemission, and there's no way Sakura would tell her no.

That might be possible, because well, her feelings aren't secret for Naruto anymore now are they? (The confession *cough*) So normally there would be no point for her to keep them secret if nothing has happened in the two years. 


Your wish has been heard loud and clear!

tumblr_n4c1f8AT2C1tswvyoo3_500.gif

 

Iki Hiyori

May our fates intertwine!


#5703 Princess Iris

Princess Iris

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,427 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:11 PM

I'm mad at Sakura rooting for her anyways ...I had something else in my mind

#5704 Kster95

Kster95

    Cat Sage

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,340 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York
  • Interests:Computers, Naruto, bleach, Sword Art Online, Young Justice, Game of thrones, Legend of Korra, Cats, Heroes

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

I'm mad at Sakura rooting for her anyways ...I had something else in my mind

 

Why? Sakura is super compassionate. She knows Hinata too. 

 

I hope you didnt expect Sakra to get jealous and be mad at Hinata? 


43iduct.jpg


#5705 elmas

elmas

    Legendary Ninja

  • Legendary Ninja
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,445 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:On the way to Heaven

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

Seeing new members make me feel good!Our family is getting bigger. :D


                          tumblr_nipy94W2uE1tjr97wo2_500.gif


#5706 Kster95

Kster95

    Cat Sage

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,340 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York
  • Interests:Computers, Naruto, bleach, Sword Art Online, Young Justice, Game of thrones, Legend of Korra, Cats, Heroes

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:13 PM

Seeing new members make me feel good!Our family is getting bigger. :D

 

Things are coming together for us too. 


43iduct.jpg


#5707 Nefertieh

Nefertieh

    Summoning Master

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,436 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:14 PM

"sounds like she wants to be with him" It doesn't mean it will go anywhere, she probably feels really sad because she was with him during the IT dream but not anymore. There's also the chance that being in a relationship with him isn't really what she's aiming for, but that she just wants to give him a scarf only as a symbol of her love before she moves on.


No. The tagline is all about her not being able to reach him "yet", and what she's planning to do now is the clincher. But then we're told she's going to knit a scarf, which is a romantic thing for the winter festival, going by what the magazine says. To put things into perspective, no one gives their unrequited love interest heart-shaped chocolates.

"obviously into a wall, people on this thread are telling me. Because Naruto must reciprocate her feelings in the first five minutes of the movie for NH to be canon." - She's not even close to him as a friend, and it doesn't seem like there has been any development in their relationship, because she's STILL watching him from a distance. Also, are we supposed to assume that he's not in love with Sakura anymore from the start of the movie? If he's in love with Sakura, why would he reciprocate Hinata's feelings by the end of it if they are not even close?


We're literally reading the synopsis of movie here. The synopsis poses the struggle of the movie, the story then resolves it. It simply isn't convincing to say this movie is saying Hinata has deep feelings for Naruto, she's going to approach him again with a romantic gift, and then leave him. And even if we're saying the time factor is a good indication Naruto will never see her the same way, then shouldn't we be more alarmed at the fact that Naruto and Sakura aren't together after two years either?
Follow the Yahoo JP ratings for The Last here.

#5708 Hallox93

Hallox93

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:15 PM

I'm hoping the manga will give a conclusion about which pairing is endgame. But with the movie ads hammering Hinata's love to the death, it seems like there's a chance we won't.

The biggest evidence we have that they aren't together is that Hinata wants to give Naruto a scarf, which is supposedly a romantic winter festival thing people now do. It would be extremely awkward if she was written as a homewrecker, no?

And Sasuke's fighting with Naruto again. Maybe he didn't confess to Sakura. :(

 

Unless Kishi again, just makes a huge mistake, we're going to see Narusaku resolution, and the only end that stays true to the narrative and the relationship and tension he's been building between them for a decade is a NS end. Not concerned, I'd like to think that as careless as Kishi can be, as a writer and storyteller he wouldn't be so careless with the end of his story. 

We see Naruto with the red scarf. We see Hinata shopping with the red scarf. And we see the scarf torn to shreds as she falls. The scarf obviously symbolizes Kushina's thread of fate, and one of the main reasons NH and this movie don't frighten me is because Kishi wrote in Kushina and her desires to have Naruto find a woman like her halfway through the story.

The parallels Kishi very purposefully made between Sakura and Kushina are significant. Not only do they both have the angry inner person, treat the men the love the same way (rough on the outside to cover up concern on the inside, i.e. hitting Naruto before the hug) and a resemblance in personality, but very specific character plot points. Their specific bodily insecurities for example, Kushina fell in love with Minato because he liked what she had been teased about her whole life, her red hair (red thread of fate). Kishi wrote that as a direct reference and parallel to Sakura's forehead insecurity, which Naruto in Chp3 said was cute (disguised in Sasuke form). Those parallels are not wasted between two important characters in Naruto's life, especially with the "find one like" reference. 

The Kushina parallels, on top of Naruto and Sakura's overwhelmingly large development, their time together, the growth in their relationship, the indications of Sakura's feelings for Naruto pointed out by several characters Kishi uses as a mouthpiece (Kakashi, Sai, Yamato), the fact that vast majority of (non-cannon but interesting) movies and opening animations indicate romance between Naruto and Sakura, the fact that Kakashi (also used as a mouthpiece) told us that Sakura's love for Sasuke is now more a companionate love and desire to just bring a guy she loved back from the brink of self-destruction and the obvious anti-SS moments (which Kishi uses to only further provide opportunities for NS moments) in the very recent manga all point to a NS endgame. 

Not concerned. Even if, which I doubt, but even if NH happens, I will be at peace knowing that it's incredibly crappy writing. 



#5709 BlazingDynamo

BlazingDynamo

    Elite Jounin

  • Elite Jounin
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:NaruSaku playing video games watching Pokemon XY talking to other NS fans

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:16 PM

Hi guys, watch this, Thanks to meekosfreedom :happy:  http://meekosfreedom...ers-please-read
 
DEAR NS SHIPPERS PLEASE READ.
 

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.
 
I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his awesome post!
answer was.
"Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time"
 
the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.
 
" It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing"
 
I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 
 
"And have the main character acknowledge this love?"
I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.
"But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession".
 
I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.
 
"Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him"
 
So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.
 
"Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself"
I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 
 
"Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 
"No, sir"
"Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious"
"Course I will"
So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.



#5710 Nefertieh

Nefertieh

    Summoning Master

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,436 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:17 PM

The tagline of the movie is "The Last Story end with first love" very cleverly open-ended. I think the movie is about her making a last-stand effort to have her feelings for Naruto addressed. Like I said, I'm neutral on whether Naruto and Sakura are anything in the movie when it starts. Not enough evidence either way.


六道仙人 has confirmed "first" actually means "the beginning" of love.
Follow the Yahoo JP ratings for The Last here.

#5711 Princess Iris

Princess Iris

    Heaven and Earth Deity

  • Kyuubi
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,427 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:17 PM

02
Why? Sakura is super compassionate. She knows Hinata too.02
02
I hope you didnt expect Sakra to get jealous and be mad at Hinata?02


basically She'll be crying behind the wall & at the same time smiling as she will be rooting for someone better for Naruto (according to her...not us)

#5712 Hallox93

Hallox93

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:18 PM

I'm hoping the manga will give a conclusion about which pairing is endgame. But with the movie ads hammering Hinata's love to the death, it seems like there's a chance we won't.

The biggest evidence we have that they aren't together is that Hinata wants to give Naruto a scarf, which is supposedly a romantic winter festival thing people now do. It would be extremely awkward if she was written as a homewrecker, no?

And Sasuke's fighting with Naruto again. Maybe he didn't confess to Sakura. :(

 

Answered the other part on that last reply but forgot the Naruto fighting with Sasuke thing.

This movie will be about resolving all first loves, Naruto's Hinata's and Sakura's. Having Naruto fighting with Sasuke again will cement the death of SS, probably allow Sakura to clearly resolve her feelings for Naruto and completely get over HER first love for Sasuke. 



#5713 Kster95

Kster95

    Cat Sage

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,340 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York
  • Interests:Computers, Naruto, bleach, Sword Art Online, Young Justice, Game of thrones, Legend of Korra, Cats, Heroes

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:20 PM

basically She'll be crying behind the wall & at the same time smiling as she will be rooting for someone better for Naruto (according to her...not us)

 

Sakura has matured IMO and if NS is already happening there, I doubt she would question the relationship. And she never really stated Hinata would be better for Naruto. Simply she doesnt really deserve Naruto. 


43iduct.jpg


#5714 abloublou

abloublou

    NH SS SK hater. You're doing it wrong Kishi.

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:20 PM

 

Hi guys, watch this, Thanks to meekosfreedom :happy:  http://meekosfreedom...ers-please-read
 
DEAR NS SHIPPERS PLEASE READ.
 

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.
 
I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his awesome post!
answer was.
"Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time"
 
the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.
 
" It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing"
 
I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 
 
"And have the main character acknowledge this love?"
I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.
"But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession".
 
I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.
 
"Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him"
 
So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.
 
"Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself"
I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 
 
"Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 
"No, sir"
"Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious"
"Course I will"
So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.
 

 

Asking your professor about cartoons though... :pinch:

I would never do such a thing. :sweatdrop:

I'm a closet nerd.



#5715 Nefertieh

Nefertieh

    Summoning Master

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,436 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:21 PM

Answered the other part on that last reply but forgot the Naruto fighting with Sasuke thing.
This movie will be about resolving all first loves, Naruto's Hinata's and Sakura's. Having Naruto fighting with Sasuke again will cement the death of SS, probably allow Sakura to clearly resolve her feelings for Naruto and completely get over HER first love for Sasuke.


六道仙人 has confirmed "first" actually means "the beginning" of love.

Yes I do. Sakura is shown comforting Hinata in the picture. Like 'hey its perfectly fine I understand how you feel and what happened, you can give it to him' 
 
The scarf obviously was something she couldnt get over, it has something to do with their childhood. I dont know maybe the scarf gets destroyed or ripped, I dont know. 
 
Like that is what it exactly looks like.


So Hinata being a homewrecker is a bigger possibility than Naruto and Sakura not being together in this film?
Follow the Yahoo JP ratings for The Last here.

#5716 Hallox93

Hallox93

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:21 PM

 

Hi guys, watch this, Thanks to meekosfreedom :happy:  http://meekosfreedom...ers-please-read
 
DEAR NS SHIPPERS PLEASE READ.
 

I was really confused about this NH suddenly happening just as all of you, so as a script/literature student for almost a year, and learning all about foreshadowing, character development, and plot treatment, I decided I should talk to someone who knew more than me.
 
I exposed this case (about NH in the last movie) to my professor, who has been a successful screen writer for 27 years, and his awesome post!
answer was.
"Well, if you want to get two characters together, you have to put them through a lot of situations, and make them feel everything, both sides, so you can explain why the bond is so strong. You can’t put two characters together which development is so poor, not even if the 3, or 4 moments they have had together are really meaningful. That’s only valid if you are writing a short film cause you don’t have a lot of time, but if the story is as long as you’re telling me, then you have no excuse. You have had plenty of time to put those character through more moments, and make a successful development. If you really intent to make this two characters end up together, then you should have give them more screen time"
 
the I asked him about the other character (Sakura) what was her case and he answered.
 
" It means he really didn’t think it through, and he has wasted years of paper and ink developing this relationship for absolutely nothing. Why would you spend so much time developing a relationship if you really didn’t mean it? As a story maker you have to keep in mind that you have to make things clear for the viewers, because if you don’t, things like this happen. It’s like a new trend in marketing to leave a really open plot so the viewers can make their own conclusions, and watch just cause they want to know if they’re right, and they do this without even consulting the writer. That is called comercial script, and it’s ruining the industry, darling. But if in the end you tell me this girl who has been with the main character all the time, and it’s clearly the main female character, is not ending up with him, you’re telling me the writer of this story hasn’t been able to keep his story in line. He practically took a side character out of nowhere, and created a relationship that through the story was not even foreshadow. It’s bad writing"
 
I explain about Hinata’s love for Naruto. 
 
"And have the main character acknowledge this love?"
I told him about Pein Arc, and her confession. he asked me to see the pages of the manga, and I showed them to him.
"But then this confession was not mention again. When you write about several characters, you have to give each of them a resolution, or else it will  be unfinished. This girls confessions was sudden, and it was not mention again, so in my experience this is just to help the character get its resolution. If to the main character, or to the main plot this confession is supposed to be a game changer, or something important, then it should have been mention again. I can see the main female is there again, and as you can see, or at least what it seems is that the girl is uncomfortable. Sometimes we have to take side characters to do things like this, so main characters can realise their own truth. And it’s use really often. You see a lot of movies about someone who doesn’t realise he or she is in love with their best friend until the best friend is with someone else. So having this confession, and the only person to acknowledge that moment is the other girl, then the confession is only important to those girls. As i told you before, the side character needs its resolution about those feelings, and the main character needs to realise some things that are link to the confession".
 
I explained that since then, Naruto and Hinata have a couple of moments, and I showed them to him as well.
 
"Okey, I can see your concern. As stories develop sometimes we create characters that we wish we would have seen more of. But as much as I watched about this character, the conclusion of every interaction they have (naruto and hinata) is the girl thinking the same thing. We never see him thinking about her, or about what she has done. In the case of the other girl (Sakura) we have both of them thinking about each other constantly. In this cases the side character (hinata) will have her own resolution thanks to the impact the main character have had on her, and the other two (sakura and naruto) are more likely to have a resolution together. You can decode this just by who they keep in their thoughts. The main character has been in love with the other girl (sakura) for the whole story, and it is constantly showed. You never get a hint that he is changing his mind, so it would not be logical for him to change his mind in the blink of an eye, and he’s the main character, he gets what he wants. In this kind of stories, he works his ass off, he gets what he wants, and the other characters learn from him"
 
So I asked him what about the movie and I tell him everything that is going on and he told me.
 
"Then it means that in the main story the writer couldn’t really find a right way to give this character her resolution, so he created the perfect situation for her to have it. If this story is linked to the main one, then it will has no sense with her ending up with the main character. By the plot of this side story, I can tell that what you will mainly see is the final impact the main character has had on her, and the writer will be able to develop her story successfully, but as I see it, and talking with my own experience, her resolution will not be ending by the side of the main character. She will go through her own personal journey, she will finally give him the scarf as a sign of that chapter of her life ending because she will know new things about herself"
I thanked him, and as I was leaving his office he said to me. 
 
"Remember that stories have to make more sense than real life. So, if you want two people to end up together, you have to constantly show how that bond gets stronger. In stories nothing just happens, so I highly doubt he will love the other girl out of nowhere, not after the writer has spend 15 years invested on the other relationship, it will be kind of crushing. Can you imagine it? Spending so much time with the one you love going through the same things, and suddenly having to forget him because someone else loves you?" 
"No, sir"
"Yeah. Keep me updated, you have made me curious"
"Course I will"
So yeah, Im keeping my high hopes, or else I will be pretty disappointed. I don’t want to end up feeling disappointed.
 

 

 

Your professor is both correct and awesome. NS makes the most literary sense, which is why NH will be a huge skidmark on the face of this amazing story Kishi has fabricated. Not concerned but was top-notch.



#5717 BlazingDynamo

BlazingDynamo

    Elite Jounin

  • Elite Jounin
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2,304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:NaruSaku playing video games watching Pokemon XY talking to other NS fans

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:22 PM

EXACTLY
Unless Kishi again, just makes a huge mistake, we're going to see Narusaku resolution, and the only end that stays true to the narrative and the relationship and tension he's been building between them for a decade is a NS end. Not concerned, I'd like to think that as careless as Kishi can be, as a writer and storyteller he wouldn't be so careless with the end of his story. 
We see Naruto with the red scarf. We see Hinata shopping with the red scarf. And we see the scarf torn to shreds as she falls. The scarf obviously symbolizes Kushina's thread of fate, and one of the main reasons NH and this movie don't frighten me is because Kishi wrote in Kushina and her desires to have Naruto find a woman like her halfway through the story.
The parallels Kishi very purposefully made between Sakura and Kushina are significant. Not only do they both have the angry inner person, treat the men the love the same way (rough on the outside to cover up concern on the inside, i.e. hitting Naruto before the hug) and a resemblance in personality, but very specific character plot points. Their specific bodily insecurities for example, Kushina fell in love with Minato because he liked what she had been teased about her whole life, her red hair (red thread of fate). Kishi wrote that as a direct reference and parallel to Sakura's forehead insecurity, which Naruto in Chp3 said was cute (disguised in Sasuke form). Those parallels are not wasted between two important characters in Naruto's life, especially with the "find one like" reference. 
The Kushina parallels, on top of Naruto and Sakura's overwhelmingly large development, their time together, the growth in their relationship, the indications of Sakura's feelings for Naruto pointed out by several characters Kishi uses as a mouthpiece (Kakashi, Sai, Yamato), the fact that vast majority of (non-cannon but interesting) movies and opening animations indicate romance between Naruto and Sakura, the fact that Kakashi (also used as a mouthpiece) told us that Sakura's love for Sasuke is now more a companionate love and desire to just bring a guy she loved back from the brink of self-destruction and the obvious anti-SS moments (which Kishi uses to only further provide opportunities for NS moments) in the very recent manga all point to a NS endgame. 
Not concerned. Even if, which I doubt, but even if NH happens, I will be at peace knowing that it's incredibly crappy writing.



#5718 abloublou

abloublou

    NH SS SK hater. You're doing it wrong Kishi.

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

 

Answered the other part on that last reply but forgot the Naruto fighting with Sasuke thing.

This movie will be about resolving all first loves, Naruto's Hinata's and Sakura's. Having Naruto fighting with Sasuke again will cement the death of SS, probably allow Sakura to clearly resolve her feelings for Naruto and completely get over HER first love for Sasuke. 

I think SS may not be necro'ed in the movie timeline as we got nothing of it in the trailers...

 

I feel like Sasuke will be totally apart in the storyline. Maybe protecting the kages from the meteorites to gain some good reputation back, when Naruto and co deal with the villain and kitten love dramu.


Edited by abloublou, 02 November 2014 - 01:25 PM.


#5719 Hallox93

Hallox93

    Chakra Water Walker

  • Chakra Water Walker
  • PipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:24 PM

六道仙人 has confirmed "first" actually means "the beginning" of love.


So Hinata being a homewrecker is a bigger possibility than Naruto and Sakura not being together in this film?

 

Every credible source says the same thing "The Final/Last story is a first love". 



#5720 Kster95

Kster95

    Cat Sage

  • Summoning Master
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,340 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New York
  • Interests:Computers, Naruto, bleach, Sword Art Online, Young Justice, Game of thrones, Legend of Korra, Cats, Heroes

Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:25 PM

六道仙人 has confirmed "first" actually means "the beginning" of love.


So Hinata being a homewrecker is a bigger possibility than Naruto and Sakura not being together in this film?

 

What? I never stated that at all? Sakura would let Hinata give something to her boyfriend because she understand how Hinata feels. This scarf thing will allow Hinata to move on IMO. 


Edited by Kster95, 02 November 2014 - 01:25 PM.

43iduct.jpg





2 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users