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[Nostradamus]

That image somehow makes me think back and starting to believe that the whole Naruto ending is just an Infinite Tsukuyomi ...

It is, Hinata came from the back and stabbed Madara, got his eyes and put everyone including herself into Infinite Tsukuyomi. It kind of backfired a bit because she didn't fully know how to control those eyes so they ended up in a weird fuped dream.

[alexander]

I read that he kept himself from being happy and settled for Orihime so he could protect the people he cares for.

 

I'm sure he was very unhappy when Kazui was concieved...

[ThroughWithLove]

Don't much care for Fairy Tale. Couldn't get past the constant deus ex machina and plot armor from the main character. As for One Piece, however, I think it's pretty clear that Oda will pair Luffy with Hancock. Like Bleach, I look at things from the perspective of "what is the writer trying to tell us" standpoint. Chekov's gun is LAW. And like was the case with Orihime, I don't see much purpose behind Hancock's love and confessions besides timeskip ending waifu material for Luffy. Nami, on the other hand, is his nakama, no different than Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brook. And we've seen the lengths to which Luffy will go for each and every one of his nakama. Hancock, on the other hand, appears to have a different role to play . . . eventually.

 

Don't really get where people are coming from on Luffy/Nami (of Ichigo/Rukia for that matter). Perhaps preference? One need look beyond preference and more towards the picture the author is attempting to paint.

Edited by ThroughWithLove, 19 August 2016 - 05:25 PM.

[AHK]

Don't much care for Fairy Tale. Couldn't get past the constant deus ex machina and plot armor from the main character. As for One Piece, however, I think it's pretty clear that Oda will pair Luffy with Hancock. Like Bleach, I look at things from the perspective of "what is the writer trying to tell us" standpoint. Chekov's gun is LAW. And like was the case with Orihime, I don't see much purpose behind Hancock's love and confessions besides timeskip ending waifu material for Luffy. Nami, on the other hand, is his nakama, no different than Zoro, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky and Brook. And we've seen the lengths to which Luffy will go for each and every one of his nakama. Hancock, on the other hand, appears to have a different role to play . . . eventually.
 
Don't really get where people are coming from on Luffy/Nami (of Ichigo/Rukia for that matter). Perhaps preference? One need look beyond preference and more towards the picture the author is attempting to paint.

Lol you must be trolling

[ThroughWithLove]

Lol you must be trolling

 

Am not. I've read One Piece chapter to chapter. If I saw even the slightest hint of romantic subtext between Nami and Luffy, I'd acknowledge it without hesitation. I don't see any though. And Oda doesn't strike me as the sort of writer who just throws things into his story without rhyme or reason.

[LuckyChi7]

Am I just seeing things:

 

[Ryriena]

 
I'm sure he was very unhappy when Kazui was concieved...

Funny thing is that mask thing came back once he met Rukia again just saying.

[Ryriena]

Lol you must be trolling

Yup or really not able to read thing littlerly her father told Luffy not to make her cry if that doesn't scream out as a romance hint. Then I don't know what does. He also doesn't like it when she does cry out for him in fact he goes ballistic on the guy who makes her cry. Cough or the way he says pervy things when she put water on herself like those swim suits models. Yeah Luffy no we are just seeing things lol.

Edited by Ryriena, 19 August 2016 - 05:56 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Yup or really not able to read thing littlerly her father told Luffy not to make her cry if that doesn't scream out as a romance hint. Then I don't know what does. He also doesn't like it when she does cry out for him in fact he goes ballistic on the guy who makes her cry. Cough or the way he says pervy things when she put water on herself like those swim suits models. Yeah Luffy no we are just seeing things lol.

He's got a bit of a point in that he's saying that even if for example, Sakura shows interest in naruto:

 

And Naruto clearly loves her:

 

It doesn't matter bc Hinata confessed to him and chekovs gun. But....... then again the whole forehead thing could be a chekov's gun for SasuSucku even though it was Naruto who said it and Sasuke never cared about her or her forehead and really there are so many possible chekov's guns for NS like the forehead thing but I guess in shonen these pairings happened bc .....flibbity flobbity floop.

[ThroughWithLove]

Yup or really not able to read thing littlerly her father told Luffy not to make her cry if that doesn't scream out as a romance hint. Then I don't know what does. 

 

I think it makes for good headcanon, but romance? That's just not what the arc was about. Arlong had tormented Nami for much of her life, had murdered her mother in front of her and had more or less forced her to behave in a fashion she despised. We see the emotional crescendo of all of this when Arlong double crosses her by stealing the money she had gotten and she's kneeling on the ground slicing her own arm. Luffy walks up to her, not having any idea about what's going on nor even bothering to ask, but doesn't hesitate to help her when she asks him. He doesn't need to know the details of Nami's wretched life or what she's had to go through. To him, it's simple: She's his nakama. It's a great scene because it showcases Luffy's character, which though simple, is very profound. 

 

Now one could definitely take this scene and use it as a means of expounding upon headcanon and perhaps even writer a great fanfic (I've seen many), but objectively? Nami crying, Luffy being told not to make her cry, Luffy kicking Arlong's ass and destroying all of the maps Nami made? Romance just wasn't Oda's point. Not trying to bash your fandom; power to you. I'm just being as objective as possible.

 

He also doesn't like it she cries in fact he goes ballistic on the guy who makes her cry.

 

 

This is the extent to which he is willing to go for the bond he shares with his nakama. Recall what Luffy did the minute he found out what Frankie House did to Usopp. He stormed down there no differently than he had at Arlong and him, Zoro and Sanji kicked some serious ass. Recall what Luffy did when Robin was taken in by CP9. He declared war on the entire World government without any hesitation. Recall the way Luffy acted when Kuma sent all of the crew members to different islands. He went ballistic, thinking he had lost them all.

 

It'd be one thing if Nami were Luffy's only crewmate. Then, I might consider your interpretation. But when you've got him consistently acting that way to protect each and every one of his crewmates, I can't even conceive the thought that Oda is trying to hint romance here.

Cough or the way he says pervy things when she put water on herself like those swim suits models. 

 

 

 

This one, I don't specifically recall at the moment. I do remember a similar case in Alabasta when Luffy and Ussop did nosebleed at Nami's happiness punch, but Oda explained that one as him just acting that way around Usopp due his bad influence.

 

 

 

Yeah Luffy no we are just seeing things lol. 

 

 

It happens. I've made that mistake many times before (back when Avatar was still a thing, I was convinced Katara and Zuko would get together based on similar vague evidence).

[ThroughWithLove]

He's got a bit of a point in that he's saying that even if for example, Sakura shows interest in naruto:

 

And Naruto clearly loves her:

 

It doesn't matter bc Hinata confessed to him and chekovs gun. But....... then again the whole forehead thing could be a chekov's gun for SasuSucku even though it was Naruto who said it and Sasuke never cared about her or her forehead and really there are so many possible chekov's guns for NS like the forehead thing but I guess in shonen these pairings happened bc .....flibbity flobbity floop.

 

That's a bit of a strawman argument though. Unlike Luffy or Ichigo, Naruto is specifically shown to be in love with the female he didn't end up with. Conversely, there are specific instances that would allow us to infer that the female he didn't end up with shared his feelings. Then there's the parallels, then there's the databooks, there there's a plethora of other objective items that point towards NaruSaku. Not vague and flaccid stuff like such as what you're citing for LuNa, but stuff like Yamato stopping short of saying Sakura loves Naruto. If the only actual shown romance we had to go by was Hinata's confessing, then yeah, NaruHina would be the most logical pairing. But we know that's not the case, thus lets do without such specious arguments.

[Yyubie]

Some NH fans starting to compare Ichika with Himawari

[LuckyChi7]

Some NH fans starting to compare Ichika with Himawari

They must be crazy!

I will easily take Ichika anyway over Himawari.

Plus I wouldn't mind seeing a continuation with her and Kazui, they are interesting enough more interesting than Boruto and Sarada.



You know I wonder how would things be in SAO if Sachi was still alive. When you look at it from a pairing stand point comparing her to Asuna as in who would be a better couple between her and Kirito and Kirito and Asuna.

Though to be fair KiritoxAsuna all the way, and besides it is Canon!

[TouKen4Life3g]

For the record, it doesn't automatically mean romance winner if you have an arrow. Case in point, One Piece. It's called comic relief. I mean if it happens, it happens, but to say it's clear winner, it's comic relief. Not everything is set in stone very easily. The reason why I'm acknowledging for Bleach is because when it was close to end and one remain the same that is taken serious, then it's either no pairing or that one.

[luffyq1]

Fairy Tail is my suicide watch on Shounen. I chose it because it's extremely obvious. So throwing a curve ball will be Dead Space 2 death by final boss tier. Look it up if you want to know how deadly it is...

i don't remember there being some twist at dead space 2. was it isaac's crazy gf? 

 

also, luffy already rejected hancock. if any pairing is going to happen in op, it's definitely going to be lunami.

[TouKen4Life3g]

i don't remember there being some twist at dead space 2. was it isaac's crazy gf? 
 
also, luffy already rejected hancock. if any pairing is going to happen in op, it's definitely going to be lunami.

That's the one.

[AHK]

I think it makes for good headcanon, but romance? That's just not what the arc was about. Arlong had tormented Nami for much of her life, had murdered her mother in front of her and had more or less forced her to behave in a fashion she despised. We see the emotional crescendo of all of this when Arlong double crosses her by stealing the money she had gotten and she's kneeling on the ground slicing her own arm. Luffy walks up to her, not having any idea about what's going on nor even bothering to ask, but doesn't hesitate to help her when she asks him. He doesn't need to know the details of Nami's wretched life or what she's had to go through. To him, it's simple: She's his nakama. It's a great scene because it showcases Luffy's character, which though simple, is very profound. 
 
Now one could definitely take this scene and use it as a means of expounding upon headcanon and perhaps even writer a great fanfic (I've seen many), but objectively? Nami crying, Luffy being told not to make her cry, Luffy kicking Arlong's ass and destroying all of the maps Nami made? Romance just wasn't Oda's point. Not trying to bash your fandom; power to you. I'm just being as objective as possible.

 
This is the extent to which he is willing to go for the bond he shares with his nakama. Recall what Luffy did the minute he found out what Frankie House did to Usopp. He stormed down there no differently than he had at Arlong and him, Zoro and Sanji kicked some serious ass. Recall what Luffy did when Robin was taken in by CP9. He declared war on the entire World government without any hesitation. Recall the way Luffy acted when Kuma sent all of the crew members to different islands. He went ballistic, thinking he had lost them all.
 
It'd be one thing if Nami were Luffy's only crewmate. Then, I might consider your interpretation. But when you've got him consistently acting that way to protect each and every one of his crewmates, I can't even conceive the thought that Oda is trying to hint romance here.

 
 
This one, I don't specifically recall at the moment. I do remember a similar case in Alabasta when Luffy and Ussop did nosebleed at Nami's happiness punch, but Oda explained that one as him just acting that way around Usopp due his bad influence.
 
 
 

 
It happens. I've made that mistake many times before (back when Avatar was still a thing, I was convinced Katara and Zuko would get together based on similar vague evidence).

Whenever she addresses every one, or talks about everyone, it's always "Luffy and the crew". It's not "everyone", it's not "the crew" it's not "my friends", it's always "Luffy and the others". Luffy is her anchor. Whenever she has been scared, whenever she has been sad, whenever she's in a pinch, it's always Luffy she turns to. That has been demonstrated multiple times, in the Arlong arc, the Enel arc, in Strong World, and the most recent arc. Her concern for Luffy goes beyond the norm. Not to mention the fact that Luffy has given her his hat multiple times, and she's the only person he's done that for. His hat is the physical representation of his dreams, and she is the only one that has ever had it on her head, and Luffy puts it there. Their bond is the strongest on the crew outside of Zoro and Luffy.

Let's not forget that Oda himself put together Strong World, which was very LuNa centric. Plus the fact that in this film that just came out, which Oda again put together, there was a parallel between the villain and his girlfriend, and Luffy and Nami. And the fact that Oda celebrated the birth of his first child by doing a drawing of Luffy holding up a baby that looked exactly like Nami, while Nami was standing right next to him.

All that and more.

If you want to say that LuNa might happen because Oda doesn't focus on romance, that's fine, but to sit there and suggest that it won't happen because of Hancock is absurd.

[Nar123]

You guys, this ending was absolutely horrible (not speaking pairing wise here but plot wise).

 

Bleach was canceled for a reason, it was due to it's horrible pacing and Kubo's lazy behavior. He had something good to work with until the SS arc and the quality was still there in the Arrancar arc but he just ended up screwing up everything later on, adding more and more characters, forgetting about old ones and adding nonsensical and stupid power ups

 

This ending was rushed as hell and it shows, dare I say, plot wise it is worse than Narutos ending. I presume many of you just came back to see the last chapter and therefor can't see how utterly bad this entire last arc was but still...

Edited by Nar123, 20 August 2016 - 01:18 AM.

[sushi.]

You guys, this ending was absolutely horrible (not speaking pairing wise here but plot wise).
 
Bleach was canceled for a reason, it was due to it's horrible pacing and Kubo's lazy behavior. He had something good to work with until the SS arc and the quality was still there in the Arrancar arc but he just ended up screwing up everything later on, adding more and more characters, forgetting about old ones and adding nonsensical and stupid power ups
 
This ending was rushed as hell and it shows, dare I say, plot wise it is worse than Narutos ending. I presume many of you just came back to see the last chapter and therefor can't see how utterly bad this entire last arc was but still...

I dropped Bleach after the anime ended so I can't speak on this, but maybe we can say Bleach was worse plotwise and Naruto was worse with characters and relationships? Because that part was so awful and irredeemable I have no words. :/

Edited by sushi., 20 August 2016 - 01:28 AM.

[Nar123]

I dropped Bleach after the anime ended so I can't speak on this, but maybe we can say Bleach was worse plotwise and Naruto was worse with characters and relationships? Because that part was so awful and irredeemable I have no words. :/

 

That's exactly it. The pairings in Bleach weren't as bad as SS and NH and at least Ichigo and Rukia have their banter intact

 

Don't get me wrong though, Bleach was still horrible character and relationhip wise because Kubo just kept adding new characters and forgetting to focus on his main ones