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[Darkness]

Anime favors Hinata. It's just that her character leads to Naruto.

 

Hm... right, if that's the case then it is wrong to say that the anime favors NH. According to what I've been reading, the anime has increased Hinata's relevance in the story, giving her new skills and bla bla bla, and also has given her a little more spotlight, but it has never shown Naruto wavering his feelings for Sakura or any Naruto -> Hinata moment. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since I've stopped watching the anime. So in other words, all we have is the anime showing more of Hinata's satellite character, but that doesn't mean anything because as long as Naruto still loves Sakura, there won't be anything in there for Hinata besides a free seat in the friend zone.

 

Now in that ending we have Sakura drawing Naruto. In the bathroom. Naked. (I think it is a bathroom). A clear sign that she is at least thinking about him. That is an undeniable Sakura -> Naruto moment. So for me the anime is favoring NaruSaku here.

 

If there is a similar NH moment like this one depicting Naruto thinking about Hinata in an arguably way, to counterbalance things, then just let me know about it.

Edited by Darkness, 19 October 2013 - 11:28 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You know, what is our take if Sakura was part of those tails of friendship?

 

What tails of friendship?

Sakura got her focus there too, everyone got a panel during the attack, obviously Sakura didnt joined up but her thoughts were there too.

She even says "go everyone" 

and she was part of it.

 

Hinata wanst friendzone on 651 actually there's no friendzone here, she was friendzoned on the moment Naruto said that Sakura is his girlfriend to Minato stating once again his feelings for her after everything that happened, which is kind of obvious that he still loves her.

 

 

 

Hm... right, if that's the case then it is wrong to say that the anime favors NH. According to what I've been reading, the anime has increased Hinata's relevance in the story, giving her new skills and bla bla bla, and also has given her a little more spotlight, but it has never shown Naruto wavering his feelings for Sakura or any Naruto -> Hinata moment. 

 

Naruto saw her naked on a fountain and an enchanted reaction.

Three tails arc, after Hinata got crystalized.
Naruto's self friendzone speech on "chapter where a random hot kunoichi ninja and marriage stuff"

Naruto finishing with "as long as she's happy that's what it counts".

I dont remember the others.

Kushina/hinata(same position on Pain's arc and Kushina's nine tails invasion) parallel on the Anime and even turned Minato into a stalker on their earlier days with no manga proof, and worse with the bs that Kushina was bullied mostly because she was a foreigner with Minato watching from afar just like Hinata did.

 

I wished they could make an mini arc showing her training with Tsunade and her chunin exam but dont let's just make filler arcs that give Hinata fanservice for a bit.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 11:33 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^You got most of it, but again, most if not all of them only have Naruto praising Hinata in her performances. In NS filler case, it's always personal stuff like what's wrong, don't go Kyuubi again, are you ok for that kid that was connected with crystal girl, etc. There are way too many and it doesn't help that they made Sakura saying that Sasuke is who she used to love. It's no mystery that they are NS fans. That ova is a nutshell of their fandom.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

^You got most of it, but again, most if not all of them only have Naruto praising Hinata in her performances. In NS filler case, it's always personal stuff like what's wrong, don't go Kyuubi again, are you ok for that kid that was connected with crystal girl, etc. There are way too many and it doesn't help that they made Sakura saying that Sasuke is who she used to love. It's no mystery that they are NS fans. That ova is a nutshell of their fandom.

I believe they dont have shipper sides, they give a way more focus on Sakura's feelings when she was about to kill Sasuke and etc...

I dislike their fillers just because they are more focused on providing fanservice rather than decent plot.

 

 

i'll never forgive them for the video treatment they give on Hinata's confession in contrast with Naruto vs Pain battle.

Which means i never buy DVD's.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 11:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe they dont have shipper sides, they give a way more focus on Sakura's feelings when she was about to kill Sasuke and etc...

I dislike their fillers just because they are more focused on providing fanservice rather than decent plot.

While the second sentence I agree, I have to say coming from many anime, they always show one shipping in the much higher priority. Take Fairy Tail for example. My god, they cannot be more obvious, especially the last 3 episodes. That said if Naruto was to go on hold, I can bet you that NS will close it before anything else. That's how I see it.

[Darkness]

Ok. First of all, thanks for showing me this. Now to my answers:

Naruto saw her naked on a fountain and an enchanted reaction.

 

Naruto didn't even know it was Hinata in there. He reacts the same way by seeing Konohamaru using the Oiroke-no-jutsu or even when he saw Haku. This just proves Naruto is a straight oriented man.

Three tails arc, after Hinata got crystalized.

 

She apparently was in danger. It would be sad if he didn't give a damn here.

Naruto's self friendzone speech on "chapter where a random hot kunoichi ninja and marriage stuff"

 

I didn't quite understand the self friendzone speech but isn't this supposed to be an argument against NH?

Naruto finishing with "as long as she's happy that's what it counts".

 

This doesn't say much honestly.

My point is that I still see the anime favoring NS, because we don't have anything relevant for Hinata coming from Naruto's part. Whatever he has done for her, he could've possibly done the same for anyone of the K9.

 

Now I'm 100% sure that Sakura would never draw anyone else in the bathroom, like Kiba for example. Maybe Sasuke but we already know about her feelings for him so it is nothing new.

 

About the parallels I don't think it is relevant to discuss because they are all anecdotal evidence in some way. 

 

And yeah, I know this is all about fillers and stuff, but I just wanted to share some of my reasons of why I still think the anime favors NS.   

Edited by Darkness, 20 October 2013 - 12:20 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ok. First of all, thanks for showing me this. Now to my answers:

 

Naruto didn't even know it was Hinata in there. He reacts the same way by seeing Konohamaru using the Oiroke-no-jutsu or even when he saw Haku. This just proves Naruto is a straight oriented man.

 

She apparently was in danger. It would be sad if he didn't give a damn here.

 

I didn't quite understand the self friendzone speech but isn't this supposed to be an argument against NH?

 

This doesn't say much honestly.

My point is that I still see the anime favoring NS, because we don't have anything relevant for Hinata coming from Naruto's part. Whatever he has done for her, he could've possibly done the same for anyone of the K9.

 

Now I'm 100% sure that Sakura would never draw anyone else in the bathroom, like Kiba for example. Maybe Sasuke but we already know about her feelings for him so it is nothing new.

 

About the parallels I don't think it is relevant to discuss because they are all anecdotal evidence in some way. 

 

And yeah, I know this is all about fillers and stuff, but I just wanted to share some of my reasons of why I still think the anime favors NS.   

Bingo.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Hm... right, if that's the case then it is wrong to say that the anime favors NH. According to what I've been reading, the anime has increased Hinata's relevance in the story, giving her new skills and bla bla bla, and also has given her a little more spotlight, but it has never shown Naruto wavering his feelings for Sakura or any Naruto -> Hinata moment. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since I've stopped watching the anime. So in other words, all we have is the anime showing more of Hinata's satellite character, but that doesn't mean anything because as long as Naruto still loves Sakura, there won't be anything in there for Hinata besides a free seat in the friend zone.

 

Now in that ending we have Sakura drawing Naruto. In the bathroom. Naked. (I think it is a bathroom). A clear sign that she is at least thinking about him. That is an undeniable Sakura -> Naruto moment. So for me the anime is favoring NaruSaku here.

 

If there is a similar NH moment like this one depicting Naruto thinking about Hinata in an arguably way, to counterbalance things, then just let me know about it.

 

I've since stopped watching the anime as well, but for as much as I did see, they've never tried to do anything that would suggest Naruto developing any feelings for Hinata. They even went so far as to have Naruto say "there's a girl I love named Sakura", in a filler that took place after both confessions.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I've since stopped watching the anime as well, but for as much as I did see, they've never tried to do anything that would suggest Naruto developing any feelings for Hinata. They even went so far as to have Naruto say "there's a girl I love named Sakura", in a filler that took place after both confessions.

Naruto always keep it same and Sakura is the one they plays around with.

[Darkness]

Naruto always keep it same and Sakura is the one they plays around with.

 

Summarizing:

 

The manga shows it like this:

 

Hinata -> Naruto -> <-Sakura -> Sasuke -> Sasuke

 

The anime (fillers included) shows it like this:

Hinata -> Naruto -> <-Sakura -> Sasuke -> Sasuke

Edited by Darkness, 20 October 2013 - 12:51 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Summarizing:
 
The manga shows it like this:
 
Hinata -> Naruto -> <-Sakura -> Sasuke -> Sasuke
 
The anime (fillers included) shows it like this:
Hinata -> Naruto -> <-Sakura -> Sasuke -> Sasuke

Lol sure.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

NaruSaku4Life3g Thanks! And just you know I read your post and I think it's amazing. I am sorry if me bringing you this guys post here ruined your mood. :(

 

 

Yeah he can do that! I am Skymk there btv :) nice to meet you! :)

 

I am currently debating with him in chapter thread. Where he says Sakura is not heroic. I pointed out that she risked her life to save Chiyo. Yet he denyed it by saying she is a medic. So in his opinion. Sakura can never do any heroic attacks because she is a medic. Logic simple fails

 

And I know about that thread. Been posting there my self. I mean no offense or anything. But 90% of time I spetn reading posts on MF makes me think how can so many people be ******?

 

Nice to meet you too!  Oh, you're skymk!  The one with the heart shaped NaruSaku avatar.  I've noticed you trying to debate with him on the Sasuke thread today.  He's just going around in circles with you, like he does everyone else who argues with him.

 

Bolded:  I feel your pain, milan.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 20 October 2013 - 02:29 AM.

[awesome sauce dude]

I went back and read ch.615 and I never realized how over glorified naruhina fans made it. And then I read 631 and them saying that naruto is joking is just so desperate. I don't know. People are giving me headaches with this. And I feel like the anime also over glorifies hinatas character too

[TouKen4Life3g]

I went back and read ch.615 and I never realized how over glorified naruhina fans made it. And then I read 631 and them saying that naruto is joking is just so desperate. I don't know. People are giving me headaches with this. And I feel like the anime also over glorifies hinatas character too

You can say that again.

[morgaine4]

I'm with Darkness, based on what I've seen of the anime I'd say that overall the anime is pretty neutral.  It favors NS, in the way that the manga does, I think essentially what the anime does is play up Naruto's prowess, and play up admiration for Naruto.  So both Hinata's feelings for him, and Sakura's potential feelings for him are given greater focus.  But really, none of that really matches episode 235 (I was shocked to find out the anime team went there, so shocked that I had to watch the episode).  It perfectly summarized Naruto's feelings.  The way I see it, most people in Japan consider NS canon/on the road to being canon, so it wouldn't make sense for the anime team to mess it up regardless of their personal preferences.  After all, they would understand that the main romantic story in Naruto is about how Naruto would woo Sakura, and how/when Sakura would fall for Naruto, not who Naruto will end up with.

 

 

 

I think that's one of the things I love most about NaruSaku. They had a rocky start but they have grown so much and it makes for such a dynamic relationship, it's a shame more people don't take the time to see it for what it is, two strong, good hearted people who grow to care for each other and support one another. They face their difficulties (like the confession) and come out stronger for it in the end. 

 

That's something I enjoy about the couple, and that I specifically enjoy about Sakura.  Sakura was incredibly bratty when we met her, the things she said about orphans etc was so difficult to read (granted, she was extremely young, but still...) but in that very chapter she exemplified incredible clarity and maturity.  When her mistakes were pointed out to her, right then and there she made an attempt to change herself.  It's something that most people older than her don't have the maturity to do (and I count myself among these people).  I think that's why I've always liked her, as bratty as she was, as mean as she could be, she always showed that she's willing to examine and change herself to become a better version of herself.  I always loved that about her.

 

 

I would wonder why she had to stop healing, because only she can do that among the rookies. Sai can not heal, that's why he took her place.

 

But I wouldn't think much of it, I don't think Kishi is trying to tell us anything(he honestly doesn't need to tell us NS will happen anymore), because this possible writing technique is so little and weak it might not even be there.

I agree. Even though she looked at his painful childhood, she didn't see him. She didn't see his suffering through his eyes(for all we know), she got one thing out of it and that is inspiration. That's all we know, that is all she has commented on when talking or thinking about him. His determination, his ninjaway. Because that means something to her, it affects her. That is fact and the rest is headcanons.

 

Hinata misunderstands Naruto, she doesn't know that his greatest pain was loneliness.  She assumes his greatest pain was being underestimated because that is her greatest pain.  It's all about Hinata, not about Naruto (not surprising since naruHINA is all about Hinata anyway).

[KnS]

Hinata misunderstands Naruto, she doesn't know that his greatest pain was loneliness.  She assumes his greatest pain was being underestimated because that is her greatest pain.  It's all about Hinata, not about Naruto (not surprising since naruHINA is all about Hinata anyway).

 

So true. I always wonder exactly what NH fans -- or really anyone who still fears the possibility of NH, for that matter -- think would happen...? I mean, let's say Hinata did get Naruto's attention.  Then what?  She doesn't know him, they have little in common, and they are complete opposites in every possible way.  

 

Assuming she could ever get past her cowering, stuttering adoration of him, despite the one moment in #615 I don't believe Hinata has the personality or perspicacity to offer Naruto the sort of partnership and challenges he needs to grow.  Hinata is a nice girl, but the truth is that while being together might be very fulfilling for her it would be a life half-lived for Naruto.

 

And really, that's the whole point of the romance plot for Naruto.  Finding a challenging, fulfulling partner who will not only erase the pain of his lonely childhood, but step into the future with him and complete the destiny of his parents that was cut so short.

 

Sakura is that partner.  She doesn't just know him, she understands him.  They have many life experiences in common.  Their personalities and talents are different enough to be interesting, but similar enough to mesh and complement each other.  

 

The thing that's really cool?  Naruto is natively aware of his body and operates on instinct.  When he was just a kid Sakura was the one he was drawn to, the one he knew he wanted -- even if his mind couldn't tell him why.  His soul knew it.  

 

That's why Hinata never has been and never will be the right girl for him.  He would have to choose her with his mind -- completely ignore his instinct by force -- and that's not who he is.  Like I said, if he did that it would be a life half-lived at best.

 

The journey to understand her soul has taken Sakura-chan longer -- the downside of being in her head more than Naruto is ever in his -- but we can see the evidence that she is gravitating toward him.  When she figures it out there will be a very loud, symbolic click as everything falls into place for them.  Kishimoto has painstakingly posted signs along the way, letting us watch Naruto and Sakura grow as individuals as they grow toward each other.

 

I know a lot of this has been said before by myself and others here.  I just felt like saying it again.  

[morgaine4]

As a dog lover, I'm a bit offended.  Dogs are awesome, NH (the pairing) is not.  *Stomps off petulantly*  =D

 

 

 

 

So true. I always wonder exactly what NH fans -- or really anyone who still fears the possibility of NH, for that matter -- think would happen...? I mean, let's say Hinata did get Naruto's attention.  Then what?  She doesn't know him, they have little in common, and they are complete opposites in every possible way.  

 

Assuming she could ever get past her cowering, stuttering adoration of him, despite the one moment in #615 I don't believe Hinata has the personality or perspicacity to offer Naruto the sort of partnership and challenges he needs to grow.  Hinata is a nice girl, but the truth is that while being together might be very fulfilling for her it would be a life half-lived for Naruto.

 

 

I adore your entire post, but I wanted to focus on the above because it's in line with something a friend and I have been discussing.

 

Essentially, we were exploring whether Naruto and Hinata could be compatible.  I'd think that Naruto would feel uncomfortable around Hinata, not wanting to do silly things that bring her attention (considering how shy she is), being uncomfortable with the fact that it's only rare occasions that Hinata reprimands him (after all, I'm pretty sure Naruto loves that Sakura cares enough to slug him when he's misbehaving).  And, I'd feel that Hinata would be uncomfortable around the silly, loud, perverted Naruto.  Yes, he's matured quite a bit, but he's still the same knucklehead from part 1.  How would shy Hinata deal with having so much attention directed towards her, how would she deal with the snickers and comments from villagers regarding how kinky their sex life must be after Naruto loses  his control and does something especially perverted (a new version of the Oiroke no Jutsu)?  I just don't feel that Naruto as written and Hinata the person are compatible (I dislike Hinata, but sometimes it feels like I analyze her as a "full character" while some individuals who enjoy her analyze her only in terms of romance), and I do think Hinata would be unhappy in a relationship with Naruto once the original fangirling dies down.  Sometimes I wish that there had been some time between the 5 Kage Arc and the preparation for war, and Sakura tried to play matchmaker between those two (Sakura was low on her self-confidence and seemed to feel undeserving of Naruto's love).  It would have been interesting for those two to actually date, to show that they couldn't make it work, and it could have allowed Sakura to be jealous without knowing that she's actually jealous.

[Shadow1275]

 

Hm... right, if that's the case then it is wrong to say that the anime favors NH. According to what I've been reading, the anime has increased Hinata's relevance in the story, giving her new skills and bla bla bla, and also has given her a little more spotlight, but it has never shown Naruto wavering his feelings for Sakura or any Naruto -> Hinata moment. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong since I've stopped watching the anime. So in other words, all we have is the anime showing more of Hinata's satellite character, but that doesn't mean anything because as long as Naruto still loves Sakura, there won't be anything in there for Hinata besides a free seat in the friend zone.

 

Now in that ending we have Sakura drawing Naruto. In the bathroom. Naked. (I think it is a bathroom). A clear sign that she is at least thinking about him. That is an undeniable Sakura -> Naruto moment. So for me the anime is favoring NaruSaku here.

 

If there is a similar NH moment like this one depicting Naruto thinking about Hinata in an arguably way, to counterbalance things, then just let me know about it.

Mayonaka no Orchestra is such a good song. Especially in that Naruto vs. Sasuke OVA. In fact, I feel like the endings for shippuden are better then the openings.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like the winner is the one who knows the protagonist the most and yes, it has to be opposite sex, though depends on the direction. I can't say I'm that sure but lately, it seems to be true so far.

[Luna]

 

I understand why people disrespect and dislike sakura and that because they thought that she's useless, manipulated people for her own good and her attitude toward naruto caused her that destiny ....

What is your view on this?