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#48921 HalfDemonInuyasha

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 06:31 PM

Yeah If Naruto wasn't cheering for her would have lost to Neji with out even putting up a fight. when you think about it Neji was the perfect opponetn for Hinata, because if it wasn't for his arrogant attitude towards Hinata and how power and skill is something you are born with and not something you earn Naruto wouldn'd have yelled for Hinata not to lose and she wouldn't have fought back against Neji. In fact I think that if it was Sakura fighting against Hinata, Naruto would have been cheering for Sakura and Hinata would have lost all motivation to fight and Sakura would have handed Hinata's @$$ to her on a silver platter :yes:

And when you get down to it, Hinatatas still is basically just going by the book of the Jyuken; everything she can do (as mentioned, she couldn't even do the 64 Palms or Kaiten) is stuff that Neji had essentially already mastered and so nothing he hasn't seen before, which would make her very predictable to him (though, to be fair, in terms of the basic fighting style, the same can be said of Neji towards Hinatatas). However, it was simply Neji's greater strength, speed, and finer technique that put him well above Hinatatas, and even more so later on due to being able to think outside the box by creating stuff like the Air Palm whereas even Hinatatas' Lion Palm, even on the wikia, is said to simply be a stronger, secret Main Branch technique (from the looks of it, though, it's more bark than bite; just using more chakra, but still fighting similarly as the normal Jyuken), not something she created herself, so again, "by the book".

Hinatatas only "pushed" Neji due to him underestimating her after she got motivated by Naruto's "cheering", but as soon as he dropped his calm demeanor and let his anger and hatred out, and started fighting seriously, he easily overwhelmed her and it required several Jonin physically restraining him to hold him back from killing her.
 

Nah, sakura Will not win again Hinata in part 1 because sakura doesn't have any Jutsu. Infact i don't think sakura should win again Ino. Hinata is her worst match up in part 1.

I think of Kishi should give a jutsu to part 1 sakura, like genjutsu. A weak one is enough.

There's also the fact is that Hinatatas' own "too kind" attitude (and adherence to Konoha's whole "never hurt fellow Konoha shinobi" crap) would hold her back. She would more than likely worry about "hurting" Sakura and angering Naruto by doing so (given his crush on Sakura was very open), which would most likely give Sakura a wide enough opening for a knockout. Hinatatas only really wins against part one Sakura or against virtually anyone if Naruto is right there and, in her mind, cheers for her, which he wouldn't in that match-up, or if you make Hinatatas completely OOC or something to force the match-up to be "fair" with both being as strong as they could be at the time.

Otherwise, from what Hinatatas had shown of herself overall, she has numerous internal and external factors that take her down several notches while Sakura really doesn't. Sakura's only real weakness during the Chunin Exams is her overall lack of jutsu arsenal. Obviously she's very book smart and, as mentioned, she has shown to be physically tougher than people give her credit for. Certainly nowhere near ones like Naruto, Sasuke, Kiba, and others, but enough to fight against Hinatatas the way she is.

 

Why is Kaiten even a good technique anyway? Realistically you will just waste all your chakra blowing things away while you are completely immobile. You don't do any damage just blow away an attack. How is that good? The attack would have to cost more chakra than what looks like this giant white cloud of energy for it to even be worth doing.

I remember reading multiple fanfics that had a more skilled Naruto or others take advantage of such huge disadvantages, like engulfing Neji with a continuous fire technique, forcing him to keep using the Kaiten to the point where he would either run out of chakra to maintain it and easily get knocked out (either from the fire technique itself or a follow up strike) from being exhausted or he would get knocked out due to suffocation due to the fire sucking away his oxygen, and even more so due to the fire being fed by the wind created by the spinning.

Heck, after the Chunin Exams, you rarely ever see Neji using the Kaiten again. IIRC, he went with the 64 and 128 palms to deflect Kidomaru's attacks rather than the Kaiten.


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 10:59 PM

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Why should Hinata kindes and kitten Will make her lose again sakura?
This is not different than hinata win again sakura in part 2 just because she's Hyuga.

This sakura is not from part 2. Yes she's kind of durable and smart but she's not a battle smart. She's book smart. And durability Will only make you so far if you fight again someone who also doesn't have any Jutsu or advance battle style.

This Will give disadvantage for sakura despite all the weakness of hinta because she has jyuken and byakugan. It's simple math.

Oh yeah, i forget to say that sakura draw again Ino because of Naruto encouragement.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 11:19 PM

In a normal situation Hinata would probably win because Sakura really has no strengths at that point in time, but if Naruto was cheering Sakura Hinata would not be able to fight. She would know that every time she hurt Sakura Naruto would hate her more and more for it and this would result in her losing or forfeiting. I don't really see any other outcomes



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Posted 13 May 2018 - 07:16 AM

This is one of the reasons why I can't stand these types of discussion because favoritism may (or should I say) will play in hand. Whenever people discuss about Part 1 Sakura vs. Part 1 Hinata, many will always, always goes to the latter. I really don't know why because she's a Hyuga and uses Jyuken. Obvious reasons because they will become bias of Sakura's initial treatment to Naruto and no actual jutsu to back her up. Back then, Neji was overall the better Hyuga but with the initial attitude and genius atmosphere ala Sasuke. While people acknowledged Hinata as one of the underdogs but all of us somehow ignore Sakura because she was one herself too. As someone said, she had the book-smarts and applied basic ninjutsu at the time, and kept up with Ino in taijutsu during their match (didn't I recall their match lasted up to 15 minutes or wasn't an hour?) before Ino unleashed her clan's jutsu? I do wonder what would of happened if Sakura won and moved to the finals instead of a draw. But it was needed for both of them to become friends once more.

 

But the conversions overall resulted in had to do with Naruto because one likes him with the shy personality and the other was the one he wanted to be with but she was "trying" to get with the rival as a fangirl. And also the what's fair/unfair advantages.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:08 AM

Those who said that Hinata will win against Sakura in part one OBVIOUSLY will use one of these or both of these excuses.

 

Hinata is from hyuga clan ... a famous and powerful clan while Sakura is from commoner family.

Hinata has gentle fist (or maybe kaiten) , Sakura only know Taijutsu (hand to hand close melee combat) and kawarimi no jutsu.

 

I mean why ?? shes from Hyuga clan that gives her advantages? a mere status give her power up?? and when they say she has gentle fist or kaiten and that makes her the winner , they talk as if Sakura will stand still and accept her punch :lmao:

 

Just from that .... it's basically the same like saying Hinata is a genius compare to Sakura , because shes from Hyuga so shes automatically win!! That's really reminds me of some arrogant evil character from other manga that always says COMMONER CAN'T WIN AGAINST NOBLE/ROYAL FAMILY.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 08:50 AM

Ofc Hinata Will win because being Hyuga give her advantage of having byakugan and learning gentle fist.

Sakura can't win again someone whose touch can make internal damage, having high durability or not. On top of that sakura doesn't have any Jutsu to counter gentle fist. Her basic justu trick is pretty much usesless again byakugan since they can see it.

I mean look at Ino vs sakura. Sakura capable to match eventhough Ino is not a dedicated fighter. Ino almost win when she used her Jutsu and if not Naruto support that awakening inner sakura, sakura Will lose.
Imagine if Ino try to fistfight Hinata without using her justu, do you think she Will win?


That's why I said that sakura in part 1 Will lose again Hinata because jyuken and byakugan give her advantage. And Hinata can't perform kaiten.
And no this is not my favoritism since I am not Hinata fan.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 01:03 PM

I think sakura needed a naruto version of mira Satan soul that would be awesome and she'd be powerful. Sakura is kind of like Mira a kitten character changing later in life. Though I like Mira more. Mira vs hinata Mira wins Satan soul and Mira is sexier and hotter than hinata.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 01:59 PM

I think sakura needed a naruto version of mira Satan soul that would be awesome and she'd be powerful. Sakura is kind of like Mira a kitten character changing later in life. Though I like Mira more. Mira vs hinata Mira wins Satan soul and Mira is sexier and hotter than hinata.

That's interesting.

I think from soul Eater, sakura is more like maka. Both is a booksmart, flat chest, plain, and easy to anger. Maka is more tsundere because of the twin tail and she's more kick ass.

Maybe because maka is the central character and the author know what to do with her character while sakura is unlucky with Kishi.

I mean blackstar is much more interesting than Naruto himself. The battle with is the best 1v1 in that manga. Unlike gayruto.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 05:24 PM

Hinata would get one-shotted.

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 05:27 PM

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Why should Hinata kindes and kitten Will make her lose again sakura?
This is not different than hinata win again sakura in part 2 just because she's Hyuga.

This sakura is not from part 2. Yes she's kind of durable and smart but she's not a battle smart. She's book smart. And durability Will only make you so far if you fight again someone who also doesn't have any Jutsu or advance battle style.

This Will give disadvantage for sakura despite all the weakness of hinta because she has jyuken and byakugan. It's simple math.

Oh yeah, i forget to say that sakura draw again Ino because of Naruto encouragement.

 

 

Ofc Hinata Will win because being Hyuga give her advantage of having byakugan and learning gentle fist.

Sakura can't win again someone whose touch can make internal damage, having high durability or not. On top of that sakura doesn't have any Jutsu to counter gentle fist. Her basic justu trick is pretty much usesless again byakugan since they can see it.

I mean look at Ino vs sakura. Sakura capable to match eventhough Ino is not a dedicated fighter. Ino almost win when she used her Jutsu and if not Naruto support that awakening inner sakura, sakura Will lose.
Imagine if Ino try to fistfight Hinata without using her justu, do you think she Will win?


That's why I said that sakura in part 1 Will lose again Hinata because jyuken and byakugan give her advantage. And Hinata can't perform kaiten.
And no this is not my favoritism since I am not Hinata fan.

You seem to be assuming that Hinatatas solely merely HAVING Jyuken and the Byakugan because of being a Hyuga somehow automatically gives her the win when there are MORE factors at play like the ones I and others have mentioned. In fact, thinking such a thing is EXACTLY what early Naruto was preaching AGAINST - that just because you're born with a fancy bloodline, that doesn't automatically make one "better" or "stronger" than those without.

Hinatatas is NOT Neji and nowhere near him under normal circumstances; both in skill and (fighting) attitude. She is very self-conscious, especially when it comes to how she looks to Naruto. Naruto has never made it any secret how much he likes Sakura and Hinatatas would NEVER want to do anything that may risk causing Naruto to be angry and upset with her, and hurting Sakura, even in official matches like the Chunin Exams. would be a HUGE no-no (especially since it would also cause Naruto to cheer for Sakura, which would only put down Hinatatas even more) and that would cause Hinatatas to hold back or even just forfeit without fighting at all. She may have the Byakugan and know at least the basic Jyuken, but what we have been shown of her under normal circumstances shows that she would most likely NOT seriously apply it unless the opponent is an actual enemy and/or Naruto was cheering "for her".


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 12:09 AM

Yes, i said that Hinata Will win because of gentle fist and byakugan and no that's not angka assumption.
That's statement is true but that doesn't apply to sakura IN PART 1. Why? Because she doesn't have a Jutsu beside some basic Jutsu. You need more jutsu or trick like Lee have gate. Sakura has that in part 2 thus the statement stand.

What advantage being a ninja born with bloodline power or secret Jutsu from clan? They have a guarantee Jutsu, but usually they don't go outside the box. Unlike clanless ninja who can learn anything. Hence why sakura capable to learn all of Tsunade moveset despite come from ordinary clan while Ino only learn healing.

I never considered that Hinata is equal with Neji. When i ever state that. Infact i correct someone when they said Hinata has kaiten and i even considered she's bad fighter.

Hinata never acknowlegde that Naruto love sakura, ever. And that's one of my problem with her character and nh, because for a character like Hinata who stalk and look out only one person. The fact that she doesn't acknowlegde that Naruto love sakura only show that she's in Denial or she's a yandere. That's why I don't think she care enough if fighting sakura Will hurt Naruto feeling.

I don't considered that because in battle dissusion i only considered character feat and that need to be Canon. i don't considered Hinata filler Jutsu.

By that logic sakura Will never win again Hinata post ending because sakura Will never hurt Hinata because she's Naruto wife. Or war arc sakura Will never win again sasuke in chunin Exam because she will never hurt sasuke. That'stupid.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 03:19 AM

By that logic sakura Will never win again Hinata post ending because sakura Will never hurt Hinata because she's Naruto wife. 

Considering how her life turned out, she would have no issues hurting her. And continuing to hurt her until she dies. Then everyone would have a big party.


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 04:43 AM

may I ask why people are assuming part 1 sakura only knows taijutsu, unless they mean chunin exams sakura, when part 1 sakura STILL KNEW THE CHAKRA ENHANCED STRENGTH  AND HEALING TECHNIQUE AND USED THEM IN THE PART 1 MOVIES? or did people forget about Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom  which took place after sasuke left?

 

 

also, as I recall, Sakura knew the healing technique right before the hospital fight, and if she knew both it and the chakra enhanced strength in that movie, then she most likely learned both at the same time, before sasuke left. because she started her tsunade training before sasuke left, not right when naruto left. that means that part 1 sakura still has some training under tsunade, meaning sakura would probably still beat hinata.


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 04:52 AM

may I ask why people are assuming part 1 sakura only knows taijutsu, unless they mean chunin exams sakura, when part 1 sakura STILL KNEW THE CHAKRA ENHANCED STRENGTH  AND HEALING TECHNIQUE AND USED THEM IN THE PART 1 MOVIES? or did people forget about Naruto the Movie: Guardians of the Crescent Moon Kingdom  which took place after sasuke left?


I believe theyre strictly talking about the canon material from the manga.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:14 AM

I believe theyre strictly talking about the canon material from the manga.

I mean, in the manga she knew the healing technique before the hospital fight, I don't see why she wouldn't know the chakra enhanced strength by that point either. and I don't see why they'd just give her it in a pre shippuden movie if she didn't already know how to do it by then in the manga


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:38 AM

I mean, in the manga she knew the healing technique before the hospital fight, I don't see why she wouldn't know the chakra enhanced strength by that point either. and I don't see why they'd just give her it in a pre shippuden movie if she didn't already know how to do it by then in the manga

Only in part 1 and only what happen in manga. Sakura doesn't know any healing technique before hospital fight. She only know it after she ask to be trained by Tsunade right at the end of part 1.

The crescen moon movie happen when Naruto part 2 is in progress, at That Time sakura is known to have super punch and healing Jutsu. You can say it is a fan service.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 07:19 AM

Hinata would be a like an innocent bystander at the wrong place at the wrong time, a lamb for the slaughter.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 10:44 AM

That's interesting.
I think from soul Eater, sakura is more like maka. Both is a booksmart, flat chest, plain, and easy to anger. Maka is more tsundere because of the twin tail and she's more kick ass.
Maybe because maka is the central character and the author know what to do with her character while sakura is unlucky with Kishi.
I mean blackstar is much more interesting than Naruto himself. The battle with is the best 1v1 in that manga. Unlike gayruto.

Maka could be interesting chose Mira cause she's awesome and strong too especially with the takeover magic image if sakura had takeover and did that with Kurama since naruto isn't worthy of it now. Twin tails you mean Maka pig tails?

Hinata would get one-shotted.

By who Mira or sakura?

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:15 PM

 

she didn't learn the healing technique from her years under tsunade rocci, she learned it when working under the hospital before naruto left, it was either before or right after she asked to be tsunade's student. she was already training to be a medical ninja  before she trained under tsunade. my point stands. 

 

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Sasuke arrives at Orochimaru's base and makes clear that his only interest is gaining power. Sakura progresses through her medical-nin training rapidly. Kiba tells Shino about the mission he missed out on. Neji trains to overcome his Byakugan's blindspot with his uncle. Hinata arrives with some tea. Neji asks her whether she will see Naruto when he departs for his training. Kiba and Shino arrive, with Kiba saying how Hinata fainted when she saw Naruto all bandaged up, much to her embarrassment. Chōji takes advantage of his stomach's recovery with a feast, but expresses his desire to start training. Lee trains nonstop. Shikamaru says goodbye to the Three Sand Siblings as they leave KonohaNaruto has a meal with Iruka before departing for his three years of training with JiraiyaHinata watches him go, vowing to become stronger too. Elsewhere, Akatsuki meets and resolves to accelerate their plans.

 

that was pre-shippuden, so yes, in the manga, part 1 sakura does know the healing technique. that's like saying ino doesn't know the healing technique just because she didn't train under tsunade like sakura did


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:43 PM

Yes, i said that Hinata Will win because of gentle fist and byakugan and no that's not angka assumption.
That's statement is true but that doesn't apply to sakura IN PART 1. Why? Because she doesn't have a Jutsu beside some basic Jutsu. You need more jutsu or trick like Lee have gate. Sakura has that in part 2 thus the statement stand.

What advantage being a ninja born with bloodline power or secret Jutsu from clan? They have a guarantee Jutsu, but usually they don't go outside the box. Unlike clanless ninja who can learn anything. Hence why sakura capable to learn all of Tsunade moveset despite come from ordinary clan while Ino only learn healing.

I never considered that Hinata is equal with Neji. When i ever state that. Infact i correct someone when they said Hinata has kaiten and i even considered she's bad fighter.

Hinata never acknowlegde that Naruto love sakura, ever. And that's one of my problem with her character and nh, because for a character like Hinata who stalk and look out only one person. The fact that she doesn't acknowlegde that Naruto love sakura only show that she's in Denial or she's a yandere. That's why I don't think she care enough if fighting sakura Will hurt Naruto feeling.

I don't considered that because in battle dissusion i only considered character feat and that need to be Canon. i don't considered Hinata filler Jutsu.

By that logic sakura Will never win again Hinata post ending because sakura Will never hurt Hinata because she's Naruto wife. Or war arc sakura Will never win again sasuke in chunin Exam because she will never hurt sasuke. That'stupid.

Yes, you ARE assuming. You're saying Hinatatas will win based solely on her lineage and clan while ignoring every other factor we had mentioned that would count against her in a battle with Sakura, even in the Chunin Exams. Those assumptions are exactly the kind of things that Naruto preached against before going under, but you're actually supporting it. You may as well come out and support Chunin Exam Neji's notion that Lee could NEVER beat him solely because he comes from a clan and has the Byakugan and Jyuken in spite of what we saw from Lee.

Yes, Hinatatas may KNOW the basic techniques, but she has shown to NOT be someone who would instantly turn to them in a fight unless either it's an actual enemy (which Sakura is not) or if she perceives Naruto to be "cheering for her" like against Neji (something that would not happen in this case).

No, you don't "need more jutsu". You can have all the jutsu in the world, but if you don't know how to use them (effectively), what's the point? Sakura at least has shown to know how to use the basic jutsu more creatively and effectively and to simply count them out just because they're basic is another HUGE mistake. Hinatatas knows the basics of Jyuken, but like I said, is completely by the books with it and doesn't think outside the box.

No, being from a clan does not "guarantee" a jutsu. Even clan members still have to learn to awaken their bloodline and then learn to actually master it and the jutsu they allow. They don't have instant mastery and access to ALL their clan's jutsu the instant they're born, much less when they awaken their bloodline.

 


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