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[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS!!!

 

I see your fanart. And I raise you one by LadyGT! 

[Bail o' Lies]

Going by the Cover of Weekly Shounen Jump for the past few months. The Tops three are still One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen, and My Hero. The next three are Sakamoto Days, Blue Box, and Akane Banashi.

[BlueStarSaber]

Arguably because black clover moved to jump giga

[totherpage95]

pretty informative video. could be why naruto's new episodes were delayed for "quality improvement"

[totherpage95]

There was a naruto album released called naruto symphonic experience. I highly recommend it. The songs are from a live performance and i also saw some clips on youtube of it

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Don't care.

[BlueStarSaber]

Here is a naruto topic for the thread, if you could kill off one member of the k11 who would it be? Also let's not do it for shipping reasons as that's why we hate neji's death.

[Nostradamus]

Here is a naruto topic for the thread, if you could kill off one member of the k11 who would it be? Also let's not do it for shipping reasons as that's why we hate neji's death.

None.

Unless I would go for some specific storyline or outcome. Killing off characters just for the sake of killing them (like Neil Druckmann does) or for the shock value is not a good thing in stories. Especially when that character was beloved by the fans. And it has never been received well in any work of fiction. It just pisses off people and alienates them and creates like a cascading event where they tell their friends/family to not bother checking out that work of fiction thus it will lead to losing the audience.

Don't understand that you can't kill off characters, because you can obviously, it just has to be done right. The execution matters. Making it make sense with the story thus far and if it's within the character.

[Bail o' Lies]

What Nos said. Anyways, its not like most of them are that involved enough in the manga story to add anything beyond shock value; beside Shikamaru.

 

Who would care if Kiba or Shino died?

 

Hinata's death would mainly just be to end "her story." So, her obsessive fans working in the anime staff can no longer keep trying to make her the core of the story.

 

Chouji? Kishimoto already killed Asuma for Shikamaru's growth.

 

Lee was pretty much replace by Gai in part two; so why bother.

 

Tenten is not that important; besides the Lee Spin off manga.

 

I guess Ino the only one because her death would affect Sakura.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 February 2024 - 05:12 PM.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I don't know what I would rather watch...Boruto or Modern Family Guy.

[BlueStarSaber]

Okay then let me rephrase who should of died in the 4th great ninja war?

[Nostradamus]

Okay then let me rephrase who should of died in the 4th great ninja war?

None.

Unless I would go for some specific storyline or outcome.

Just because it was a war why would we kill any of them?

As Bail said about how their death would affect the others, killing them off doesn't really add anything to the story apart from shock value.

Like Neji's death. His death even though argued by NH fans was to bring Naruto and Hinata closer, didn't have that effect. In fact according to Hinata's movie Neji's death did nothing for the NH relationship. And even in the manga like 30 minutes later Naruto declares Sakura as his girlfriend to his father. Neji's death served no purpose, either than a small NH moment that means nothing to Naruto after it's over.

 

Now if your question would be like: "Hey you really need to kill someone or some of them or even all of them in this war arc, who would you kill?" My answer wouldn't be a character or characters, but I would need a reason to kill them off. Again I'm not killing them off for the shock value or just because I want to, there has to be a reason within the story, a purpose to their death.

So what would I do? I would have Sasuke enter the war and kill one or even more of the Konoha 11 to make Naruto understand that Sasuke can't be saved and he can't be left alive or this will continue. That killing Sasuke is the only way to stop him from killing.

That's how I would use one or some of the Konoha 11 characters, to make a point for Naruto to understand what must be done otherwise more people will die. I would use their death to justify Naruto's action of killing Sasuke.

Edited by Nostradamus, 08 February 2024 - 12:44 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Again, as Nos said. The thing is the none of the K11 should have died during the war arc. The war arc should have been the cast final challenge that strengthen their resolve to go about their individual reforms. The problem is they are so underdeveloped and underutilized that it doesn't happen. So, the War arc is largely filler to pad out the manga's length.

 

Here is an obvious example of what should have happen with Neji. Hinata's and Neji's fathers fight it out. Hinata's father loses to his brother due to some reason. Neji and Hinata step in. Neji shows off moves that are only taught to the clan's heir. His father realizes that his brother is grooming his son to be the next clan head by marrying Hinata. After he is defeated and is being seal away. His brother, son and future daughter in law all show their resolve to reform the clan. Yes, it makes clear by this point Hinata should have moved on from Naruto. He thanks and forgives his brother, apologizes to Hinata, and gives some fatherly advice to Neji; all the while lamenting he won't be able to go to their wedding but he will be watching and always be with them.

 

Here is one for Sakura. She fights Naurto's grandmother, that as a joke looks exactly like a mature version of his sexy jutsu minus the whiskers marks. This leads into two jokes during the fight one, Sakura constantly thinking about how she will never let Naruto use that jutsu again because it will embarrass their...I mean his daughters and two, how there is no way she is Naruto's grandmother as that would make the Fourth his father and Naruto would have told her about something that big. Grandma Namikaze didn't approve of Minato and Kushina and hopes they didn't get together before she died young; when Sakura finally just asks if Minato knew any girl from the Uzumaki clan. Which annoys Sakura, causing her to fight harder to defend her man...wait not man; she meant friend, just friends. When she is defeated and being sealed away Naruto comes in, she instantly realizes that he is her grandson, and through some quick banter between him and Sakura realizes she is her future granddaughter in law even if Sakura won't admit it yet.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 08 February 2024 - 11:54 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

I meant who should have died in the war in genreal, not only among the k11

[Bail o' Lies]

I meant who should have died in the war in general, not only among the k11

And again for a third time, none. They all should had an individual reform that they wanted to work on to change the ninja system. Kishimoto didn't develop them, so most never really had any reforms they wanted to work on. So the ending and the sequel had to scramble to give some for them to do. But that failure doesn't mean the cast needs to die.

 

A character journey's end does not only mean the only path is their death. It can just be the completion of a goal.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 February 2024 - 01:23 AM.

[BlueStarSaber]

So no deaths in the war, including might guy?

[Bail o' Lies]

So no deaths in the war, including might guy?

Yes. For Guy he lived to show off Naruto's new power he got from the sage. OK.

 

Now what you are suggesting. Instead he died. OK. Its doesn't change that much in the story. Even the sequel. I guess people will call it deep meaningful realistic some other buzz word, that he died after giving his all fighting Madara but he was done either way in his involvement in the story. So his life and death is an unimportant coin flip by that point.

 

The problem with the War arc isn't the lack of death; its that it is largely pointless filler fights. The war again should have been the final trial for the cast; strengthens their resolve to do whatever they are going to to after the story. The problem is the cast is so underutilized and underdeveloped it didn't happen, but it also doesn't matter if they lived or die because they don't have much of an impact on the story either way.

 

Neji's death matters because was one of the few characters with a story and his death allowed his intended fiancé to latch on to the only other story she had; her feelings towards the main character.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 February 2024 - 02:43 PM.

[totherpage95]

i have doubt any death would happen just look at adventure of dai and o-parts hunter's war sections

[BlueStarSaber]

I think you need some deaths in for some suspence otherwise the conflict wouldn't look threatening. Heck it could even just be some recurring minor characters like those minor leaf chunin or jonin we see, some of the relatives like hiashi dying to protect neji and hinata or at least maybe knowing because he is old. As for the case with guy would of served the mentor death for Lee to grow and frankly naruto nre healing power made sakura look irrelevant for alot of people.

[Bail o' Lies]

I think you need some deaths in for some suspense otherwise the conflict wouldn't look threatening. Heck it could even just be some recurring minor characters like those minor leaf chunin or jonin we see, some of the relatives like hiashi dying to protect neji and hinata or at least maybe knowing because he is old. As for the case with guy would of served the mentor death for Lee to grow and frankly naruto nre healing power made sakura look irrelevant for alot of people.

The problem with the War arc isn't a lack of death, its the lack of meaning. Who cares if a character lives or dies if they do not matter in the story?

 

From what I recall didn't the manga say like 50,000 ninja died during the war. Did those deaths make the story more meaningful, threatening, realistic, and so on? No? That is because, those death's didn't matter. A big problem in Naruto is a lot of the characters (even fan favorites) do not matter. You can kill off 99% of the cast if you want and it won't affect the story that much because they are just that unimportant.

 

So If I were to change something about the war arc, it wouldn't be to have more characters die. Its to do what I posted above; to have the cast have their final trials to show their growth and what they are going to do after the story is over.