Dark Knight Rises
#61
Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:17 AM
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#62
Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:07 AM
#63
Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:21 PM
I agree. TDK seemed to be a cleaner script. Dark Knight Rises has a lot going on and sometimes it doesn't seem to be juggled all that well.
Edited in case someone is simply coming in here to today to see if the film is worth seeing. Sorry for being so inconsiderate.
Edited by chouzu_tao, 21 July 2012 - 12:06 AM.
#64
Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:29 PM
I agree. TDK seemed to be a cleaner script. Dark Knight Rises has a lot going on and sometimes it doesn't seem to be juggled all that well.
I knew right away from the cues that John Blake was an otherverse Tim Drake because a) his name "John Blake" I wish they had just owned up to it instead of trying to be sneaky b) he figured out who Batman was and c) his parent's demises sounded similar to Tim's. Also the second Miranda got it on with Bruce at the drop of the hat with no prior "she's interested in him moment" I rolled my eyes. All fans were betting on this but this confirmed it in the film. Otherwise it would've really been a bigger WTF moment.
I felt Bane's introduction to be super weak compared to Joker's and almost even a re-hash.
Bane's accent kind of made him sound like an old man. I kind of laughed at first when I heard him.
Bane seemed smart but not like in the comics. He kind of disappears after taking over gotham. Playing no role other than observer. (WEAK SAUCE!) What was his master plan? To give them hope and then destroy their spirits than kill them... where was the hope? You'll be alive for another 90 days?
I would've liked to have seen more material from people trying to find a way across the bridge/water and from people the government trying to sneak more sleeper agents into the city.
I would've had the police play a bigger part in Batman's demise. As follows: Batman fends off the police force, being bludgeoned by them while going to Bane's lair (something on the level of how the police force treats Robocop in the first movie when he's framed for attempted murder). Bane doesn't flee even though he know's Batman's on the way. In fact, he planned to have the police play a role in Batman's spiritual breaking. Bane then broadcasts the truth about Harvey Dent and Batman slapping the people in the face for having gone along with a lie. By the time Batman arrives on the scene, he's injured on top of his previous injuries and exhausted. Bane broadcasts their fight as well as Batman's demise. I felt this would've made the moment more potent. I would've gut the whole "I'll give them hope" aspect from the film since it didn't really exist anyway.
Instead of switching between the prison scene and what was happening in gotham, I would've concentrated fully on the prison scene first, then what John Blake and Gordon were up to.
Anne Hatheway actually wasn't half as bad as I thought she was going to be. She can look the role but I didn't think she could play the role. I can't think of who I'd cast at the moment but I've never seen her play someone seductive who's dangerous and cunning. I wish the script had allowed her to play it more confident and hard-to-get (cat and mouse) versus the once-bitten, hard-nosed woman seeking a way out.
This sounds like a lot of hate, but I did really enjoy the movie, unfortunately it feels more like a guilty pleasure. Mostly for these reasons. What did you guys think? Agree? Disagree?
Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 20 July 2012 - 10:35 PM.
#65
Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:41 PM
Edited by chouzu_tao, 21 July 2012 - 12:02 AM.
#66
Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:13 AM
#67
Posted 24 July 2012 - 05:59 PM
But there was. Bane took everyone's faith away from the government and the police. The only order left in the city was of Bane's gang. Sure they might have been screwed, but Bane pretending to be Robin Hood did at least give them hope of a good life. He never did say that the hope had to be big (or real).
1. "This is worthless NONSENSE."
2. "This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view..."
3. "True, but quite unimportant."
4. "I ALWAYS SAID SO!"
#68
Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:33 PM
That being said, I'll admit I was never a "fan" of Batman. Sure, I dressed up like him during Halloween once, always sung the theme song (nanananana) and enjoyed the thought of Batman, I had never watched the shows (that I can remember anyway) or even the movies. The only reason why I went to TDKR midnight premier was because my friends were going and had asked me to come, and I though "YOLO, why not?" So to get up to date, I watched Batman Begins and TDK.
I fell in love with Christopher Nolan's Batman.
So I'm not looking at this movie as a fangirl of everything Batman, but as a fan of Nolan and his Batman series (And of Christian Bale in the Batsuit... YUM).
I personally thought the break up between the prison and Gotham was excellent. I don't think it broke up any action, and it did what Nolan, and Bane, wanted it do. It showed Bruce's frustration as his city that he worked so hard to protect started to crumble down into pieces. You did not have to watch Bruce sit and heal in a prison the whole time, which had they had separated the parts, would have got a little boring. But you were still able to check up on him while you did get to watch the action going on in Gotham.
A lot of people told me they were upset with some of the new characters and where their origins came from. I understand that Nolan's Robin is nothing like the comics, in terms of his origin. With the disclaimer of not knowing much of anything about the comics, I think it is perfect in the series that Robin is a former cop who did everything he can to protect his city, even almost die. John Blake was the most refreshing character I think. Unlike Commish. Gordon who always had good intentions, Blake/Robin did everything he could to make those intentions happen, which is essentially what Batman did as well, which makes him a perfect Robin.
And Anne Hathaway as Catwoman? Oh, sex me now please. I enjoyed the realism of the movie. Sure, a lot of people complained that Bane was not as he is in the comics.. But the comic Bane would never, EVER, exist in real life, thus defeating the purpose of Nolan's vision. The scariest part is that everything that happened in this series, could potentially happen in real life, which is what other super hero movies lack. And while Hallie Berry was very sexy, though the movie was a dead flop, that is not a realistic costume of a thief. (I never believed CatWoman was a villain, just a thief).
And of course, my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims in Aurora, Colorado.
#69
Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:07 PM
This point is no longer a valid critique on my part. I'll have to see the film again in order to be sure. But the scenes where the decadent citizens of Gotham's houses are ransacked did display this twisted Robin Hood-esque quality if the invaders were indeed other Gothamites.
I do disagree that Gordon was a passive character when it came to doing the right things, he just didn't always go about it the right way.
#70
Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:13 PM
I do disagree that Gordon was a passive character when it came to doing the right things, he just didn't always go about it the right way.
Actually, Jason Todd is the second Robin.
John Blake is a composite of all three boy Robins: Richard Grayson's attitude and charisma, Jason Todd's orphan childhood and street smarts (thankfully not his attitude), and Tim Drake's detective skills and admiration of Batman. There's also a bit of Terry McGinnis in there, too.
Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 24 July 2012 - 09:15 PM.
#71
Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:22 PM
John Blake is a composite of all three boy Robins: Richard Grayson's attitude and charisma, Jason Todd's orphan childhood and street smarts (thankfully not his attitude), and Tim Drake's detective skills and admiration of Batman. There's also a bit of Terry McGinnis in there, too.
Right, right. I completely forgot. For some reason my mind always pushes him to 3rd because... that's where he ranks as a major Robin. You're right about the attitude of Todd, he was a little violent jerk if I remember correctly he was the Punisher in the making.
I did initially think he was going to be named Terry McGinnis, but I bet that would've given away too much. Though again, for comic book fans neither he nor Meredith were probably as huge of a surprise as it was to the general audience.
#72
Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:02 AM
Edited by Boom...Winning, 25 July 2012 - 03:03 AM.
#73
Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:20 AM
#74
Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:25 AM
Do eet!
#75
Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:28 AM
That's really my interpretation for it. Nolan's Batman is a lot more vulnerable or 'weaker' than the comic book Batman. Comic-Bats has not let ANYTHING stop him from being Batman, even when he literally had to jump through time to do it.
While Nolan-Bats is, like I mentioned, a lot more vulnerable; I want to use the phrase 'more human,' but I'm hesitant to do so, because Comic-Bats has also experienced far more traumatic events and he's still Batman after Celestia knows how many years, so it kinda proves that even one with indomitable will can still power through everything.
Then again, Bale doesn't have the luxury of living in comic book super science......
#76
Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:59 PM
#77
Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:01 AM
I hear you. Luckily I was back in my hometown that weekend where the prices aren't so high compared to where I live. Unfortunately I'm always a sucker for popcorn and soda (I just have to, it's the theater!) and that's where the biggest chunk of change usually goes.
#78
Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:01 AM
Now, I did not just post this as a joke. It's perfect for more than that. It also works to show just how damn good Hardy's performance was that he could act so well behind that friggin mask.
"The time has come at last for you to learn everything . . .
Fare thee well, Albert, my friend."
#79
Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:34 AM
Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 03 August 2012 - 03:35 AM.
#80
Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:36 AM
Oh, and as far as the movie goes, it wasn't absolutely perfect, but it was still a fantastic closer that brought absolutely everything - thematically or otherwise - full circle.
Plus Bane was friggin rad.
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